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belchardo
14-11-2012, 09:53 PM
:sparring: fight night - round 2.

jets to win by 3. feeling good.

tiago to pick up his 5th yellow, then follow up with his 6th in the 66th minute.

Jetmaster
15-11-2012, 07:56 AM
Must be odds on for red cards - one of Sigmund, Muscat, Tiago or Rubes has to go off.

Jeterpool
15-11-2012, 08:24 AM
Picking a 3-0 win - first clean sheet of the year.

LINGERA
15-11-2012, 08:40 AM
we will loose

david silva
15-11-2012, 01:47 PM
2-1 win paying $8.00 on TAB - not bad considering 3 out of our 4 wins have been by that scoreline.

Us to win by 1 goal is also pretty attractive at $3.50 - all of our wins this year have been by one goal.

LINGERA
15-11-2012, 02:37 PM
2-1 win paying $8.00 on TAB - not bad considering 3 out of our 4 wins have been by that scoreline.

Us to win by 1 goal is also pretty attractive at $3.50 - all of our wins this year have been by one goal.

This makes sense as statistically it is more likely to win by the same scoreline every week. :S

pv4
15-11-2012, 02:39 PM
This makes sense as statistically it is more likely to win by the same scoreline every week. :S

for all stats-related matters, please enquire at the office of Lionel Hutz. his form for the melbourne cup winner was legendary.

snake
15-11-2012, 03:07 PM
:sparring: :sparring:

torago

:sparring: :sparring:

Lionel Hutz
15-11-2012, 03:18 PM
Statistically, the jets have not kept a clean sheet all year so far and the phoenix do not travel well based on previous seasons. Therefore they will only score one goal.

The jets havent had a draw so far so they are due for one. Im going for a scoreline of 1-1.

Jets will be up 1-0 in the first half courtesy of a james brown goal followed by a 2nd half equaliser courtesy of a paul ifill penalty.

q-money
15-11-2012, 03:19 PM
:sparring: :sparring:

torago

:sparring: :sparring:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JTNkqvGOAQ

q-money
15-11-2012, 03:25 PM
everyone needs to get dosed up on fightbrau pre game imo

Buddha
15-11-2012, 04:19 PM
i'm going for a 3-1 scoreline, to either team really

Retro Jet
15-11-2012, 04:27 PM
As stated in previous rounds thread....boo Sigmund at every opportunity.
Hope we heap pain on them...4th straigh loss please :grin:

westjet
15-11-2012, 05:16 PM
From Mels preview:


Players to watch:

The Phoenix have attacking options galore, with Paul Ifill, Jeremy Brockie, Steyn Huysegems and lively Solomon Islands winger Benjamin Totori impressing throughout the season so far. Keep an eye on Marko Jesic for the Jets.


:wtf: Not sure what Mel is thinking with that comment, assume we are meant to watch him sit in the stands. Lucky she is hot!

sh10
15-11-2012, 05:34 PM
She's got late mail that he's going to be streaking at the 34th minute

sh10
15-11-2012, 05:34 PM
but seriously her previews are garbage but still better than Slater lol

snake
15-11-2012, 05:50 PM
bring back fightbrau imo

snake
15-11-2012, 05:51 PM
we will loose

namwob99
15-11-2012, 06:48 PM
As stated in previous rounds thread....boo Sigmund at every opportunity.
Hope we heap pain on them...4th straigh loss please :grin:

And Muscat also??

seldom
15-11-2012, 10:01 PM
Is Jesic even gettin a run in the yoof nowadays ?

MFKS
15-11-2012, 10:03 PM
No why should he??

He ain't even good enough for that level

parksey
15-11-2012, 10:08 PM
jesic is due a goal

Retro Jet
15-11-2012, 10:17 PM
As stated in previous rounds thread....boo Sigmund at every opportunity.
Hope we heap pain on them...4th straigh loss please :grin:


And Muscat also??

Don't have to. He's already Tiago's beoch! :argument: :sparring:

And on that note, if Heskey pwnes someone out there, are we going to hear:

Ba ba, baa ba ba,
Ba ba, baa ba ba, baaaaaaaaaaa
You are Heskeys ewe, Heskeys ewe, you are Heskey's ewe.....?

Jeterpool
16-11-2012, 07:27 AM
jesic is due a goal

Mel seems to think so. She suggested we look out for him this weekend.

I'll be looking for him towards the corporate boxes rather than on the field...

BodyNovo
16-11-2012, 08:21 AM
Don't have to. He's already Tiago's beoch! :argument: :sparring:

And on that note, if Heskey pwnes someone out there, are we going to hear:

Ba ba, baa ba ba,
Ba ba, baa ba ba, baaaaaaaaaaa
You are Heskeys ewe, Heskeys ewe, you are Heskey's ewe.....?

yes :)

BodyNovo
16-11-2012, 08:23 AM
jesic should have been the one of the first jets to join western sydney.

i think jesic is content to going to fannys with gallaway on saturday nights instead of playing football.

pv4
16-11-2012, 12:45 PM
Statistically, the jets have not kept a clean sheet all year so far and the phoenix do not travel well based on previous seasons. Therefore they will only score one goal.

The jets havent had a draw so far so they are due for one. Im going for a scoreline of 1-1.

Jets will be up 1-0 in the first half courtesy of a james brown goal followed by a 2nd half equaliser courtesy of a paul ifill penalty.

looking online (tab sportsbet), if i put on a multi of:
- draw
- halftime result newcastle
- newcastle/draw for half/full double
- correct score 1-1
it pays $790.48. i reckon that's worth a lazy tenner.

lionel - beers on me if this gets up.

au revoir
16-11-2012, 12:52 PM
looking online (tab sportsbet), if i put on a multi of:
- draw
- halftime result newcastle
- newcastle/draw for half/full double
- correct score 1-1
it pays $790.48. i reckon that's worth a lazy tenner.

lionel - beers on me if this gets up.

pretty sure you can't have multi legs in the same game.

BodyNovo
16-11-2012, 12:55 PM
pretty sure you can't have multi legs in the same game.

correct

pv4
16-11-2012, 12:56 PM
shows how attuned to the multi world i am

parksey
16-11-2012, 06:28 PM
looking online (tab sportsbet), if i put on a multi of:
- draw
- halftime result newcastle
- newcastle/draw for half/full double
- correct score 1-1
it pays $790.48. i reckon that's worth a lazy tenner.

lionel - beers on me if this gets up.

:blush:

Superdylan
16-11-2012, 06:47 PM
Lolz I tried doing that once, didn't work. The reason it would cause betting stings at the tab.

Anyways on this game, anything less then a win is a disappointment.

MFKS
16-11-2012, 08:29 PM
Sunday, 18 November 2012
Newcastle Jets v Wellington Phoenix

Referee: Chris Beath
Assistant Ref 1: Scott Edeling
Assistant Ref 2: Sarah Ho
Fourth official: Stephen Lucas

Beath doesn't this **** owe us after the farce of a free kick he was responsible for that sees Tiago 1 card from suspension and resulted in the ADP fapfest in Rd 2???

au revoir
16-11-2012, 08:40 PM
Lolz I tried doing that once, didn't work. The reason it would cause betting stings at the tab.

wut? more like one event occurring increases the likelihood of another occurring.

snake
17-11-2012, 09:01 AM
unlucky pv. those damn betting agencies and those pesky statisticians in their ivory towers closing all the loopholes on the honest battlers just trying to make an honest squid :(

Chadandkira12
17-11-2012, 01:36 PM
From Mels preview:



:wtf: Not sure what Mel is thinking with that comment, assume we are meant to watch him sit in the stands. Lucky she is hot!
She probably got the days wrong he scored a hat trick this morning in the yoofs 7-0 win

seldom
17-11-2012, 01:53 PM
jesic is due a goal

Hattrick...inside info ?

hawk
17-11-2012, 07:15 PM
hey baba's leave our Hesk alone.....

militiamon
18-11-2012, 08:59 AM
smash im mungo

Buddha
18-11-2012, 09:27 AM
Anybody traveling from Sydney going near the penrith area?

Mitchy
18-11-2012, 10:53 AM
Goodluck ****s

militiamon
18-11-2012, 12:06 PM
^ Coldplay.

F
F
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goaliepersempre
18-11-2012, 12:10 PM
Coldplay :) goodluck

toad
18-11-2012, 12:27 PM
lolz i tried doing that once, didn't work. The reason it would cause betting stings at the tab.

qflolz

The Dunster
18-11-2012, 12:55 PM
The Bad:
We have always struggled to play our best football against the Nix as have other sides that like to play out from the back such as Brisbane.
Our record aganst the Nix is terrible.

The Good:
We are a lot more direct than we have been in the past and that just might be enough to rattle the Nix.
Ifill looks lost without Brown and Greenacre out there to do the so called heavy lifiting for him.

hawk
18-11-2012, 01:53 PM
You singing a rainbow or what

weston
18-11-2012, 04:17 PM
wtf is this shit..... few good chances.... one just to Heskey but didnt get much of a touch...... i miss Goodwin :(

weston
18-11-2012, 04:30 PM
Off goes Birighitti...... broken face my guess...... just gets better

Grimario
18-11-2012, 04:31 PM
What is it with kiwi strikers kneeing our keepers in the face? ****s sake.

Grimario
18-11-2012, 04:34 PM
Bloke sitting behind me with radio in his ear is saying its confirmed as fractured cheekbone. 6+ weeks, ****.

And we don't even have BK to rely on, instead stuck with Nash is Gash.

weston
18-11-2012, 04:34 PM
was wondering if its a condition of employment for our keepers to take one to the face...... apparently been confirmed as a fractured cheekbone

weston
18-11-2012, 04:36 PM
yeh they went to Mel on fox sports and they said fractured cheekbone.... had a bit of a lump on his face when they showed him about to be put on stretcher

Muswellbrookian
18-11-2012, 04:39 PM
Bloke sitting behind me with radio in his ear is saying its confirmed as fractured cheekbone. 6+ weeks, ****.

F*cking Brockie, what a twat. And ffs, why am I not surprised to wake up and read that we're losing 1-0 to Phoenix? Guess a bogey team is always a bogey team, but you would think we might finally start to learn how to play against such a one-dimensional team after nearly (or more than?) twenty matches against them...

weston
18-11-2012, 04:43 PM
Brockie 2 Jets 0

Muswellbrookian
18-11-2012, 04:47 PM
Brockie 2 Jets 0

Trust him to turn up today. And trust us to be so arrogant to think we didn't have to turn up just because Phoenix had lost three in a row. Sort this shit out, Gary.

toad
18-11-2012, 04:51 PM
listening on the radio.... who was the pitch invader??

weston
18-11-2012, 04:54 PM
Can't confirm it was Jesic as was reported would happen by a few on the forum before game.... 3-0 Ifill scored off a penalty.... Mitchell lucky to not have been sent off... though he didn't take him out he just ran infront of mitchell and legs got tangled

Portillo
18-11-2012, 04:57 PM
What the hell? I was watching the UFC show, thinking that Jets were definately going to win.

weston
18-11-2012, 05:01 PM
Thank god its full time.... 3-0.... should of been 4. Lets just not talk about this one and look towards next weekend.

UFC would of been more interesting....

Dainnan
18-11-2012, 05:12 PM
Why did it take until the 90th minute for our attack to have some decent movement.

Shit performance, but par for the course against the Phoenix.

Griffiths seemed to be the only player trying. Jobe did some good stuff at the end but was pretty anonymous for the most. Zadkovich- usually love him, but he has been shit this season and getting worse each week. He needs a week or two off as a kick up the arse.


Also what is with kiwis and breaking our keepers faces? Hope Birighitti isn't too badly hurt..

northern_swan
18-11-2012, 05:16 PM
Swancott for a return in the red and blue???

Was training with the side iirc

380
18-11-2012, 05:26 PM
Like watching grass grow that one. Maybe now Bernardo might get a half decent opportunity to show why we have used a visa spot on him.

Thomas477
18-11-2012, 05:31 PM
Cannot fathom why Brockie was not sent off. We got the free kick because Brockie kicked/kneed Biraz in the head.

I don't care if it was accidental or not, any severe contact with the head should be a straight red.

Rugby league has this shit sorted out, why don't we?

Also, that was ****ing embarrassing and all the players bar RyGriff should feel bad. Finally, thought Beath was crap.

la bazzle
18-11-2012, 05:32 PM
Worst game. Classic jets. Good to see

plague
18-11-2012, 05:36 PM
Worst game. Classic jets. Good to see
Ahhhhh the good old days.
Had a great time today. Kudos to all.

Zico
18-11-2012, 05:39 PM
Cannot fathom why Brockie was not sent off. We got the free kick because Brockie kicked/kneed Biraz in the head.

I don't care if it was accidental or not, any severe contact with the head should be a straight red.

Rugby league has this shit sorted out, why don't we?

Also, that was ****ing embarrassing and all the players bar RyGriff should feel bad. Finally, thought Beath was crap.

I wish I didn't waste my time going to this game as it was up there with one of the worst games of football (if you could call it football) I've watched but **** me Brockie should not have been sent off for that as it was a complete accident. Some people lose the plot when the Jets get beat and it looks to me like your 1 of those blokes.

boz-monaut
18-11-2012, 05:42 PM
looks like I picked a good week to be too hungover to leave the house

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-g-DmQlfMb1M/TkvBlQkrnFI/AAAAAAAAAA0/jp9CNTrxt9w/s1600/airplane_steve_mccrosky.jpg

sammydog
18-11-2012, 05:42 PM
Got to say, the Racist chant towards the ref that has come out in the last two home games when heskey hasn't been given a free kick is shit.

Makes us look like a bigger bunch of bogans than we already are.

Thomas477
18-11-2012, 06:05 PM
I wish I didn't waste my time going to this game as it was up there with one of the worst games of football (if you could call it football) I've watched but **** me Brockie should not have been sent off for that as it was a complete accident. Some people lose the plot when the Jets get beat and it looks to me like your 1 of those blokes.

Mate, I agree with your first point we played shit. But forgive me for "losing the plot", as you stated, when our keeper gets kicked in the head. I don't car who they are (be they Biraz, BK, Young or Vukovic) but they shouldnt be hit in the head when they're making a save. Watch the replay, Brockie lifts his knee just before impact. If he didn't, Brockie's thigh would have hit his head, not his knee.

By all means have a go a me for wanting to avoid head injuries, they aren't all that serious anyway.

pudy
18-11-2012, 06:22 PM
Was cut about the performance already.. but hearing the news about Biraz cheekbone really just pours the salt into the wounds.

MFKS
18-11-2012, 06:23 PM
Took the Founding Member to the "Members Entourage" to the game today and I felt so sorry for him.

Poor **** "died" last weekend and thanks to the miracles of modern medicine is back with us and obviously the poor bloke has had a pretty shitty week. Have spent a bit of time with him this week but today was the first time I had been "Alone" with him. Really hoped we would turn it on for him to put a SMILE back on his face.

Poor **** came back from the dead and had to sit in the sun to watch that pile of shit. ie Jets of old.

****ING Disgrace

Deans Out

RedMexican
18-11-2012, 06:35 PM
have just seen the footage, it was a complete accident, brockie was half stride at the point of contact, there was no malice in it.

Chadandkira12
18-11-2012, 07:13 PM
have just seen the footage, it was a complete accident, brockie was half stride at the point of contact, there was no malice in it.

Looks like he tries to jump over birighitti

Jeterpool
18-11-2012, 07:16 PM
Get well soon Birraz

belchardo
18-11-2012, 07:37 PM
what a pathetic performance.

tiago shit. again.

namwob99
18-11-2012, 07:49 PM
what a pathetic performance.

tiago shit. again.
Shit is putting it nicely. Him and Mitchell make me so nervous. 1st goal where the **** was tiago? Time for chapman to get a run!!

Chadandkira12
18-11-2012, 07:51 PM
Shit is putting it nicely. Him and Mitchell make me so nervous. 1st goal where the **** was tiago? Time for chapman to get a run!!
He ducked out of the way

militiamon
18-11-2012, 07:55 PM
As a team we dominated the first half for sure, problem was that we weren't making enough scoring chances. We copped an unfortunate goal, and that put a few players heads down. Second half we continued to dominate up until about the time Birighitti came off and we conceded our second goal. At that point the majority of the players gave up.

Individually it was a different story, I thought everyone was pretty shit:

Brown has to go from the starting line-up, gives the ball away every time and is being played out of position
Rubes has turned to shit as outlined by la bazzle, maybe gotten too complacent, too many shit balls and decisions
Mitchell was average once again
Virgili quite shit
Birighitti still cannot ****ing catch, almost gifted them a goal in the first half

I could go on. The only people who walk out of it with some amount of respect are Neville, Brillante, Hesk, and Griff (although he was very sloppy with his passing).

I would like to reiterate though that we dominated the game overall, so it's not the end of the world. Any other game and I think we would have won this:

Newcastle - Wellington
Possession 61% - 39%
Shots 12(4) - 10 (5)
Completed Passes 401 - 181

hawk
18-11-2012, 07:57 PM
I thought we did OK against their 12. The camel toe in black and yellow ensured there'd be only 1 result. True we didn't play well but they were as crap.

howardyou
18-11-2012, 07:58 PM
Jets were bad.

Have been all year, but got found out today because Heskey didn't score.

The good keeper curse strikes again.

MFKS
18-11-2012, 08:25 PM
As a team we dominated the first half for sure, problem was that we weren't making enough scoring chances. We copped an unfortunate goal, and that put a few players heads down. Second half we continued to dominate up until about the time Birighitti came off and we conceded our second goal. At that point the majority of the players gave up.

Individually it was a different story, I thought everyone was pretty shit:

Brown has to go from the starting line-up, gives the ball away every time and is being played out of position
Rubes has turned to shit as outlined by la bazzle, maybe gotten too complacent, too many shit balls and decisions
Mitchell was average once again
Virgili quite shit
Birighitti still cannot ****ing catch, almost gifted them a goal in the first half

I could go on. The only people who walk out of it with some amount of respect are Neville, Brillante, Hesk, and Griff (although he was very sloppy with his passing).

I would like to reiterate though that we dominated the game overall, so it's not the end of the world. Any other game and I think we would have won this:

Newcastle - Wellington
Possession 61% - 39%
Shots 12(4) - 10 (5)
Completed Passes 401 - 181

Stats would be almost identical to last seasons home defeat to them also. Massive possession dominance and NFI what to do with it. How Jobe got MOM is beyond me. A performance like that reflects poorly on the efforts/abilities of the central mids when we had that much ball and couldn't get it to where we needed to get it to create something.

I struggle to fully understand GVE's continual picking of Zads/Jobe as a pairing when it runs completely against the philosophy of his or the way his philosophy should be practiced. Need a bloke in there who plays first time passes and passes forward the majority of the time. Far too often attacking opportunities fizzle when Zads/Jobe go sideways or backwards with their passing

MFKS
18-11-2012, 08:39 PM
http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/newcastle-jets-presser/video-e6frf423-1226519112381?subcat=1111112039253

Talk sounds like he may be getting some message here

militiamon
18-11-2012, 08:40 PM
Jobe is one of the strongest players with the ball at his feet, and his distribution and vision is generally unmatched. I think he is fine for Gary's system.

Rubes is a different story. I think he has the potential to be an excellent CM in Gary's system, but he really needs to try and stick with the game plan: short passes, minimal touches. Sometimes he seems to play it brilliantly, other times it's like he does whatever he wants.

What I do like is the reaction from GVE. He clearly knows what the problem is, it's a question of the players implementing it (and I guess GVE also imparting it on the players in the first place):


“At the end of the day, we’ve being going through this with some of the players for a good 15 or 16 months who were here last year and if they’re not going to get it, then we just need to change (personnel),” van Egmond said.

“We’ll just see what we’ve got in regards to fit bodies and that will come into it, but we need to change.

“I think the philosophy has always been the same, it’s just a case of implementing it. From my point of view I’m not happy with the way it is being implemented consistently over the course of a game so we need to change.”

Van Egmond pinpointed a number of scenarios where the Jets let themselves down against Wellington. He said positioning in both attack and defence as well as the decision making of the players were the areas that needed improvement.

“Our positioning in the midfield, our rest defence, playing out (from the back), all the different moments in transition, especially from when we have the ball to when we lose it, were not the best shall we say,” he said.

“It’s just the options that you take. The ball movement needs to be quicker and there needed to be less touches on the ball.

“They run with (the ball) when they don’t need to run with it and they need to pass it (instead).

“Players need to get into position early enough. People run with it because people aren’t in position early enough and it’s just a snowball effect.”

Edit: You beat me to it with the video.

stopper2
18-11-2012, 08:46 PM
First of all I feel this was the loss we had to have. The cracks that have been covered up by Heskey's goals and Birighitti's saves finally came to the surface today against a Phoenix side who is well-organised in defence/without the ball and who plays to their strengths. We are soft at the back and lack that creative spark in the middle. GVE has said that he learnt a lot and improved as a coach in his 2 years at the AIS. Lets just wait and see what he can come up with because if he perseveres with the Tiago/Mitchell combination in defence and the Jobe/Rubes combination in midfield I can't see this team improving at all.

Zico
18-11-2012, 08:48 PM
Stats would be almost identical to last seasons home defeat to them also. Massive possession dominance and NFI what to do with it. How Jobe got MOM is beyond me. A performance like that reflects poorly on the efforts/abilities of the central mids when we had that much ball and couldn't get it to where we needed to get it to create something.

I struggle to fully understand GVE's continual picking of Zads/Jobe as a pairing when it runs completely against the philosophy of his or the way his philosophy should be practiced. Need a bloke in there who plays first time passes and passes forward the majority of the time. Far too often attacking opportunities fizzle when Zads/Jobe go sideways or backwards with their passing

I'm with you about Jobe. The bloke is poor at best and I can't for the life of me understand why Bernado isn't playing in his spot. Bernado is strong on the ball, lays a fantastic ball off and controls the midfield which Jobe does none off.

Jetmaster
18-11-2012, 08:51 PM
Any one of Nicky Carle, Tom Rogic, Marcos Flores, Dario Vidosic or Thomas Broich would have owned that game....what is the common thread here and who do we have who fits the bill ?

And yes I did have a lazy $50 on Wello paying $4.75.....only a fool wouldn't !

Hamma12
18-11-2012, 09:12 PM
credit to everyone who stepped up and helped out with Furns absent...
Kudos to bodynovo on capo when realising TimmyV had has hands full

NewcastleForLife
18-11-2012, 09:37 PM
What I don't understand is why did we play an almost 4-2-4 when the Phoenix just sat back and played on the counter all day? The midfield was ours to dominate and yet we played with basically four strikers.
Our defence is awful, will only get worse now that Gash is our keeper (is Duncan available for any games?) and the ref didn't help. Apart from offsides our first free kick was almost 40 minutes into the game. The first goal had a hint of offside, and sorry, but the penalty was the result of a clear offside. Sure Brockie didn't touch the ball, but you can't say he didn't interfere with play.
Still, even without the ref helping them we wouldn't win, defence is shit, needs fixing

lquiquer
18-11-2012, 09:51 PM
credit to everyone who stepped up and helped out with Furns absent...
Kudos to bodynovo on capo when realising TimmyV had has hands full

Thanks buddy........glad you mentioned it....and yeah all credit to TimmyV and the boys.....even 3-0 down and you blokes were showing great vocals and support......thank you.

lquiquer
18-11-2012, 09:59 PM
GVE is god damn right....too slow too many touches and unecessary runs at times.......our defence is bleeding, it hurts to watch. I do believe games are won or lost in a "fine line" and we were on the wrong side tonight.......however our two central defenders are not rock solid and why our right back not in front of Brockie on the second goal.......fell devastated for Birraz!!!!!....we'll bounce back but!!!....whoever will play in the next two weeks anyway.........

twenty2one
18-11-2012, 10:16 PM
That would have to be the worst and most boring game of football I have seen. The only exciting thing was when the guy ran onto the field, very funny and got the biggest cheer.
And must say, is it put into jets goalkeepers contacts - must agree to get kicked in the head at least once a season - Youngy - thanks Smeltz
BK - thanks Tarek
Birras - thanks Brockie
Hope you make speedy recovery Birras

pv4
18-11-2012, 10:33 PM
chilli needs to get pinto'd ASAP. he is beyond awful.

rubez is way, way off his game ATM.

we are royally fxxxed without biraz.

super happy with our wide backs today.

we should sign our entire current squad to life long contracts. that way we'll not let any go, so no one can return & score against us. seems the only people to find form goal scoring wise against us is our past players.

Wellington are lucky to not get pulled up for their hands-on approach to any and every defensive situation. I don't think Heskey was ever within a metre of a Wellington player without being hugged basically. they're definately one of the more grubby sides of the league (tried to type sides, autocorrected to aides lololol).

anyone who walked out early - esad. way to show that you rally behind our boys.

why is it the "racist" chant;
1) gets sung?
2) gets sung 6x louder than any other chant?

shit chant, makes our supporters seem dumber and more bogan. we basically fit into our stereotype by personal choice.

pv4
18-11-2012, 10:35 PM
my favorite part of the night had to go to when it was obvious the active support weren't chanting, so Timmy just decided to practice the tifosi-esque beat for 10 mins. seemed like it was a struggle for everyone - furns is under appreciated it seems.

sammydog
18-11-2012, 10:43 PM
I think tonight everything went wrong from the centre of the midfield which put way too much pressure on the backs, and gave the front 1/3rd nothing to work with. I don't have a huge problem with our Central Defenders but the central midfield needs to be sorted.



why is it the "racist" chant;
1) gets sung?
2) gets sung 6x louder than any other chant?

shit chant, makes our supporters seem dumber and more bogan. we basically fit into our stereotype by personal choice.

I'm sure Heskey loves it as well. People were cringing around us when it came out.

Bremsstrahlung
18-11-2012, 11:11 PM
I think we missed Goodwin, Virgili didn't really cut it today. Needs to get his mojo back.

Griffiths tries his hardest all the time.

Heskey did alright, not his best game, but one of the better performances today.

Zad, Tiago, Mitchell need a kick up the ass. Have the occassional good game, but Zad hasn't played anywhere near his potential lately, Tiago and his brain farts. Mitchell sneaks under the radar a bit, noticed alot of shit passes there today.

Give Chapman (or even Regan) a gig at the back. Give Ribeiro a chance. And Brown is not playing well at all. Get his fitness/skills back up in NYL, then give him a crack. He's underdone and lacking confidence.


Even though it was a loss. As Stopper said, it allows us to see areas we are lacking, and have been lacking for the last few weeks; That have otherwise been hidden with Heskey and Bira's excellence.
GVE is going to bring out the axe. Hopefully, fires them up a little bit.

Thomas477
18-11-2012, 11:25 PM
Will be interesting to see who GvE keeps tbh. I reckon the only "safe" players are Griff, Heskey, Neville and Jobe. The rest were horrible.

For all the hype Brown had when he joined us, his past three games have been rediculosly substandard.

Next week I reckon:

...................Nash/Swancott
...Neville...Chapman....Mitchell....Ritter
.................Jobe..........Pepper
.....Riberio........RyGriff............Goodwin
......................Heskey

Bench:
Nash/Swancott
Brillante
Virgilli
Bridges

Only reason Mitchell is there is because I don't trust us playing 2 inexperienced CBs together.

Bremsstrahlung
18-11-2012, 11:43 PM
Would be interesting to see where Pepper finds himself with GVE, managing to be sent off after being subbed on in 84th minute....Similarly, Regan. Both of whom were up there as 2 of our best last year.

the blue manc
18-11-2012, 11:48 PM
shit game

seldom
18-11-2012, 11:55 PM
yes we missed goodwin. can't believe the jobe knockers thought he was our best. rubes ffs play him wide right and watch his form improve. chile was average. thought tiago was alright. mitchell ffs if he's better than nts i'm a manure supporter.
and deans **** off noone wants you here




p.s ....jury still out on james brown

Jeterpool
19-11-2012, 07:47 AM
Right from the go yesterday we were in for a long afternoon. The Phoenix sat back and let us come to them. They crowded the final third which nullified our passing game and allowed us to push it from side to side whioch did nothing - then looked to hit us on the counter.

I thought Beath had a fairly inconsistent game yesterday. Phoenix players were certainly had their hadns all over us.

Honestly, I expected GvE to change something at half time because it was clear we weren't penetrating their defense. What is his Plan B? I'm not sure he has one because the only game changer on the bench we had was Bridges - and it took a third goal and 86 minutes or something to bring him on. He a picture of frustration wanting to get on there.

Agree with people that something like this has been coming. In reality we haven't kept a clean sheet all year - that is worrying and something needs to change in the defensive line. I understand its a new back 5 but FFS when is that line drawn and we say enough is enough?

Poor old Zad isn't the player he was last year. His dynamic movement is missing at the moment and i think the "15-18 month to get the system" comment was aimed directly at him. Expect him to get cut (at least from CM) next match. Brown has also failed to impress so far since coming back from injury.

Brillante, Neville, Jobe, Griff and Heskey (who got bugger all service yesterday) should be the only one's certain of the matchday squad next week.

Feel for Birraz. Our GK stocks are severly stretched. It is going to be a tough month (minimum) with our two best keepers out of the lineup.

Our build up and passing was so labouriously slow yesterday that it was painful. A lot of wrong options, poor passing and very little front third movement.

It's not the end of the world and we are still 3rd. GvE has said there will be changes - lets see how many.

All I know is I wouldn't want to be at the recovery session today - expect them to be pushed very hard this week in training.

Jetmaster
19-11-2012, 08:04 AM
The first goal had a hint of offside, and sorry, but the penalty was the result of a clear offside. Sure Brockie didn't touch the ball, but you can't say he didn't interfere with play.
Still, even without the ref helping them we wouldn't win, defence is shit, needs fixing

The first goal was well onside and Brockie made no attempt at that through ball...it was our defenders stupid fault for ball watching and not playing to the whistle.

pv4
19-11-2012, 08:10 AM
the pen was offside. they changed the rule back from "only if you touch the ball" to "if he interferes with play". every player (totori inc) stopped their running, due to thinking brockie was going to touch it. it's just a testament to totori's amazing pace that he reacted the quickest to start his run back up. it was offside. in saying that though, we still would have lost.

funny, when totori came on i said to the mrs "this dude that just came on is so effing quick, he'll rip us a new one & score or earn a breakaway pen".

btw i thought ifill was amazing for wellington yesterday. the dude was everywhere.

BodyNovo
19-11-2012, 08:19 AM
i actually think yesterday (as well as the first game of the season) we came in way to overconfident about the result. the normal ball movement was there in the first half but it was all sideways and backwards and phoenix just sat back and let them do it until they reach about 30 yards from goal - apply the pressure and get the ball back easily, when the jets tried to pull their finger out, phoenix were 1-0 up and had put another 2 men behind the ball.

2nd half phoenix had basically all eleven players behind the ball, and the experience of durante and sigmund controlled the situations perfectly, i haven't really rated ribiero, but yesterday was the perfect time to bring on some on with some flair to try something different because it was all way to predictable for 70 minutes yesterday. counter attack 2-0 game over.

mitchell besides the perth glory game has yet to impress me and i actually think he is holding back a chapman or a regan. Brilliante i thought was excellent yesterday probably my MOM.

agree with everyone about zads he has absolutely gone to aids, he isn't even running around anymore pressuring the crap out of the opposition, whether this is because GVE is telling him to preserve his energy for other things or he is just content that he is a starting eleven player and he doesn't need to push himself i don't know. I would just put him in a position where he is allowed to roam the field and pressure the f**k out of the opposition and run all day and only touch the ball when needed.

I hope brown turns around because he was the worst player on the field yesterday, lost the ball i think everytime he touched it.

to the bloke who ran on the field yesterday.......good effort i guess, probably the most excited the crowd was all day besides the racist chant.

speedy recovery to birraz don't know if i could last with 6 weeks of gash, hopefully duncan is a competitve option or BK is not far away.

pv4
19-11-2012, 08:43 AM
to vote on your MoM head here (http://www.newcastlefootball.net/forum/showthread.php?399-Supporters-Player-Voting-Rd7-Wellington-home&p=17480#post17480)

Bremsstrahlung
19-11-2012, 09:13 AM
First goal was onside. Level/behind the defender. Tiago may have been better off trying to stop the resultant shot, than whinging to the AR.

The play leading up to the pen was 50/50 for me. Referee could've blown offside as soon as the ball went towards Brockie. He gains an advantage from being in an offside position. When the defence stops, the referee could interpret that as them gaining the advantage. Regardless, they tell Under 6s, play to the whistle!!!!!

plague
19-11-2012, 09:30 AM
Nix played the way they always play. If our team wasn't setup/prepared for that then it's bad coaching.
If they didn't follow the game plan then effing do something about it coach. It's obvious GVE is up in the stands on the piss first half and only comes down when they cut service off at halftime. Great, we've got an alcoholic as a coach. Add that to the list of woes.

Jobe good.
He is our starting point in attack. The other stiffs are supposed to be moving into space for him. Go back and look at the game before having a go at his passing. He was finding the likes of Virgilli/Brown all day but they couldn't keep the ball.
GVE has no plan B. but it's good to know this is all the players fault (as he alluded to yesterday). Would hate to think it had anything to do with him.

I'm not digging Brown at all.

Other than that things are looking rosy.

Jeterpool
19-11-2012, 09:34 AM
GVE has no plan B. but it's good to know this is all the players fault (as he alluded to yesterday). Would hate to think it had anything to do with him.



Agree. I mentioned this before. It was clear things needed to change, except nothing happened.

Needs to take some of the blame along with the players.

NewcastleForLife
19-11-2012, 09:45 AM
The first goal was well onside and Brockie made no attempt at that through ball...it was our defenders stupid fault for ball watching and not playing to the whistle.
I haven't seen the replay, only got a quick glimpse on the big screen for that first goal, so I'm happy to except I'm wrong there but the laws clearly state;
"A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
interfering with play or
interfering with an opponent or
gaining an advantage by being in that position"
Brockie was obviously at fault on at least one of these three, if not all three. Having said that as Brem stated, even U6's know to play to the whistle, and it's no excuse for our piss-poor defence yesterday and all season.

Grimario
19-11-2012, 09:50 AM
Don't know how anyone could possibly claim that first goal as offside. Tiago kept him on and worse, instead of playing the ball and then complaining about offside, he actively moved under it and waved at the AR while Brockie was busy scoring.

I reckon if anyone gets dropped from the back 4 for Chapman it will be Mitchell as he is far and away the least composed on the ball.

Zadko could use some time away from the first team... shame the options to replace him (Pepper & Bernie) don't seem to be in favour with GvE. Maybe the more favoured Brillante into midfield... isn't that his usual spot?

Bon
19-11-2012, 09:52 AM
From the replay that I've seen, the 1st goal was definitely onside..

As for all the passive/interfering offside stuff.. It was happening a surprisingly large amount all day. Sheep-shaggers play ball over the top, player is offside but doesnt go for the ball, but Newy defender (usually Mitchell) doesnt get a word off his teammates and hoofs it out for a throw-in.. So now Shaggers have the ball way up in our half..

I didn't think Mitchell was too bad in the first half (second half is a different story), the only way we looked like opening them up was when he would get the ball and make some runs up the middle - providing we didnt lose it and get caught out..

belchardo
19-11-2012, 10:05 AM
I haven't seen the replay, only got a quick glimpse on the big screen for that first goal, so I'm happy to except I'm wrong there but the laws clearly state;
"A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
interfering with play or
interfering with an opponent or
gaining an advantage by being in that position"
Brockie was obviously at fault on at least one of these three, if not all three. Having said that as Brem stated, even U6's know to play to the whistle, and it's no excuse for our piss-poor defence yesterday and all season.

good work ignoring the crucial bit of the law there.

Mitchy
19-11-2012, 10:05 AM
Looks like going to Coldplay was a good thing!


Ily this club

NewcastleForLife
19-11-2012, 10:16 AM
good work ignoring the crucial bit of the law there.

Most laws are "in the opinion of the referee". So does that mean we shouldn't argue any decision the ref makes?

russjaybee
19-11-2012, 10:18 AM
IMO the play that led to their pen should have been called offside. It's clear that the player was "active" as the entire defence knew the ball was being played to him (which it was) and thus stupidly presumed he would be called offside (play to the whistle?).

I understand the concept of "in-active" players etc but if a the opposition attempts to play the ball to an a player they then become active, they have influenced the game, I don't care if they stand still with their hands in the air and old mate runs through to get the ball himself. Titori would have never done what he did if the player was not there, therefore he has to be active.

Matty's Mowing
19-11-2012, 10:18 AM
185
Quality is poor but pic shows 1st goal well onside.

NewcastleForLife
19-11-2012, 10:20 AM
185
Quality is poor but pic shows 1st goal well onside.

Cheers mate, as I said, didn't get a good look of it and haven't seen a reply. Piss poor defence either way

Matty's Mowing
19-11-2012, 10:22 AM
+1. Very ordinary defending

Grimario
19-11-2012, 10:25 AM
Don't care if the last goal was offside or not (at least until the end of the season and that -1 GD costs us top 6 or a home final or something), was hardly the straw that broke the camels back. If it was the winner, would have been furious but couldn't give a shit about it considering everything that happened prior.

snake
19-11-2012, 11:12 AM
typical jerks. were always going to loose

Bon
19-11-2012, 11:18 AM
typical jerks. were always going to loose

As much as I hate to admit it, you were saying it a lot (and very convincingly too) at the Tenzo pre-game.. haha

russjaybee
19-11-2012, 11:28 AM
I realise that Grimario, this was less to do with the Jets game in particular and more to do with the ruling in general.

Jet's were woeful and deserved to lose.
Phoenix weren't much better, our defence was just porous and fragile as hell, much as it has been this season.
Results have flattered us, we never really looked like a top 3/4 team.

stormypete
19-11-2012, 01:21 PM
Everyone's bagging out the players and for the most part they deserve it.

What I don't get is why GVE is escaping the criticism. Brown was average (or worse) for the entire game.
He couldn't even walk let alone run in the second half. We could see it in Bay 58 ... surely GVE could have (and should have) made a meaningful sub before the game was practically over.

hawk
19-11-2012, 01:43 PM
Everyone's bagging out the players and for the most part they deserve it.

What I don't get is why GVE is escaping the criticism. Brown was average (or worse) for the entire game.
He couldn't even walk let alone run in the second half. We could see it in Bay 58 ... surely GVE could have (and should have) made a meaningful sub before the game was practically over.

Brown looked injured and didnt feel good.

q-money
19-11-2012, 01:50 PM
watched the game in NZ, was it just me or is the grass about 6 inches long and slower than a wet week?

ball hardly carried, everyone's leaden legs just made it look even worse

Clearly the work of agent deans/craftsman

Grimario
19-11-2012, 01:52 PM
Brown looked injured and didnt feel good.

I know there was a joke in that but if so, isn't it more reason to slate GvE?

Deans out, can't blame GvE if Deans didn't pass up the "Brown looks injured" comments from the sideline to the box.

LINGERA
19-11-2012, 01:57 PM
we loose

pv4
19-11-2012, 02:02 PM
watched the game in NZ, was it just me or is the grass about 6 inches long and slower than a wet week?

ball hardly carried, everyone's leaden legs just made it look even worse

Clearly the work of agent deans/craftsman

the grass actually looked longer than i ever remember seeing it tbh. could barely see the massive sand patches we're accustomed to seeing at hunter stadium.

Jeterpool
19-11-2012, 02:12 PM
Everyone's bagging out the players and for the most part they deserve it.

What I don't get is why GVE is escaping the criticism. Brown was average (or worse) for the entire game.
He couldn't even walk let alone run in the second half. We could see it in Bay 58 ... surely GVE could have (and should have) made a meaningful sub before the game was practically over.


I'm in the same bay and I agree. Mitchell was hobbling after that challenge in first half as well.

I was saying to my mate that we need to change something up at half time. Clearly nothing was and we came out and played the same uninspiring football. GvE is getting let off lightly here in my opinion. If he did change something, then it wasn't applied.

Bridges should have been brought on earlier than he was and given a chance to change it at 2-0 not at 3-0 like he was. The benches first reaction was to call him over when the penalty was called. Alot of freaking good that was going to do.

belchardo
19-11-2012, 02:14 PM
the grass had been cut longer to encourage regrowth according to the Fox commentators. genius.

howardyou
19-11-2012, 02:26 PM
Not sure about the Jobe love-in here. I thought he was horrible again yesterday. Everything he does is way too slow.

And he needs to stop taking free kicks and corners. It is starting to get embarrassing.

pv4
19-11-2012, 02:31 PM
Ne was horrible again yesterday.

his free movie tickets to reading cinemas say otherwise :cool:

parksey
19-11-2012, 02:47 PM
the grass was longer to help with re-growth according to cockerill


^ Coldplay.

F
F
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yeah pretty shattered we missed the game aye

parksey
19-11-2012, 02:54 PM
also ruben zadkovich

jesus :blush:

WolfMan
19-11-2012, 03:02 PM
The first goal was well onside and Brockie made no attempt at that through ball...it was our defenders stupid fault for ball watching and not playing to the whistle.

Correct

Also, my opinion on Brown is this: He was the bright spark in an ordinary team at Cold Toast. As far as I ever saw, he was given a free-role to create just in behind the front 2.

I feel like the rigid style that GVE is trying to implement stifles his natural creativity, and therefore we are seeing a shadow of the player Brown could be. Same can probably be said for Bernardo, although he seems to break the typical Brazilian mould by having at least some tactical know-how.

I have faith that Brown will adapt his game to the system and benefit the team as a whole, but sometimes maybe GVE should just let him run loose and see what happens. Perfect opportunity yesterday for just that.

sh10
19-11-2012, 03:45 PM
can't believe they didn't sub off Cockerill, his sore throat was killing me all game

MFKS
19-11-2012, 04:35 PM
the pen was offside. they changed the rule back from "only if you touch the ball" to "if he interferes with play". every player (totori inc) stopped their running, due to thinking brockie was going to touch it. it's just a testament to totori's amazing pace that he reacted the quickest to start his run back up. it was offside. in saying that though, we still would have lost.

funny, when totori came on i said to the mrs "this dude that just came on is so effing quick, he'll rip us a new one & score or earn a breakaway pen".

btw i thought ifill was amazing for wellington yesterday. the dude was everywhere.

Totally agreed he was everywhere. At the game I was giving him credit also for everything Totori done.

Anyone who doesn't think the penalty they got was offside Epic Failure. Passive Offside is a joke of a rule continually being cynically exploited by coaches and players going against its actual intent

plague
19-11-2012, 04:39 PM
watched the game in NZ, was it just me or is the grass about 6 inches long and slower than a wet week?


Was at the game with Con, he was muttering something about the grass looking greener on the other side but really it was yellow or something.

MFKS
19-11-2012, 04:54 PM
the grass had been cut longer to encourage regrowth according to the Fox commentators. genius.


Ironic the longer I leave my grass the slower it grows. When I cut it regularly it grows like all ****.

Groundsman is obviously an idiot

stopper2
19-11-2012, 08:03 PM
Bozza suggested for the Jets to water the grass before the game so that the ball moves faster....not a bad idea. I recall in the early years of the A-League we used to do it, but I haven't seen it done for quite a few years now.

MFKS
19-11-2012, 08:09 PM
Must be growing the grass long for all that long ball shit we do these days.

Why would you want to water the pitch to cause any more of our mishit hoofs to go out??

BodyNovo
19-11-2012, 08:17 PM
i think if the ground was to be watered pre match it would come out looking like it did post nitro circus.

a bit of water isn't going to save us when we are playing shit, griff on the other hand.

longshot
19-11-2012, 08:26 PM
Hope to see Ritter and Goodwin back this week. Really need both of them on that left hand side. If Goodwin's shin is fine he will be back to his best. Look forward to seeing him feed the Heskey machine.

MFKS
19-11-2012, 08:33 PM
Hope to see Ritter and Goodwin back this week. Really need both of them on that left hand side. If Goodwin's shin is fine he will be back to his best. Look forward to seeing him feed the Heskey machine.

Shin Injury my arse.

He was dropped!!!

Have been calling for it for weeks now and not before time :whistling:

GazFish35
19-11-2012, 08:56 PM
Looked like the game was being played in treacle.

Up tempo game, in long grass.
Great club working together.

front2
20-11-2012, 12:25 AM
Sorry and excuse me. I have mentioned my comments in real life previously and proven true... Jets V Niks. "dominated by a real mans team again" . After a long digestion again, coliform was the result. My pilfered season pass cost me a sucker punch of 22 nicka to enjoy a fantastic turnout by season ticket holders and the long enduring 'match day' of supporters waiting for a -simple computer software program- to gain f.....kn entry. Best effort was the Tickets team opening a 'cash only' window. Even though the match was already 7 min into play. Wait for it! It was still a 3-4min delay due to the system not printing the purchased single ticket.

I was pissd off prior to KO and at half time. Spat the dummy at 2 zip. Had some random back hand my cap of my head. Told him to get off the roids and try women. Wow I need therapy.

Btw. I agree with MFKS comment. Goodwin was rested

the_butcher
20-11-2012, 12:01 PM
I watched the match with the upper class folk for the first time on Sunday. Perfect seats right on half way with the best view in the stadium. From that position, I was able to see that Brillante was absolute gash. Ifill went round him like he was standing still and almost every Welly attack went down that side of the park. He was also shit in attack.

Just curious why people (PV4, jeterpool, baldy) voted for him in the motm thread? Was I watching the wrong player? (that's a serious question btw).

seldom
20-11-2012, 12:37 PM
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8567313

Water the pitch I say

pv4
20-11-2012, 12:51 PM
I watched the match with the upper class folk for the first time on Sunday. Perfect seats right on half way with the best view in the stadium. From that position, I was able to see that Brillante was absolute gash. Ifill went round him like he was standing still and almost every Welly attack went down that side of the park. He was also shit in attack.

Just curious why people (PV4, jeterpool, baldy) voted for him in the motm thread? Was I watching the wrong player? (that's a serious question btw).

hmm, weird. from the poor peoples view - he was immense. ifill is a handful for most defences, and had a top game on sunday imo, but i thought brillante handled him as good as anyone could.

our whole team was shit in attack, to be fair.

i will dl the game & re-watch it, then get back to you.

Bon
20-11-2012, 01:06 PM
I was sober and watching from the expenso section (Bay 55, just above the players tunnel) and I thought he still had a decent game. Ifill was on fire but I still think he did a good job. He seemed to put in and at least make an effort, which is something I can't say for some of the other blokes out on the pitch..
My main confusion here is all the love-in votes for Ryu.. His first half was one of the laziest slothful efforts I've seen..

parksey
20-11-2012, 02:20 PM
I thought Briliante did well. He made a particularly good goal-saving tackle at one point.

hawk
20-11-2012, 02:49 PM
We dont deserve a GF till we bury the perf and wello curse. jerks!

beej
20-11-2012, 04:59 PM
I thought Brilliante had a decent game. Can whip in a dangerous ball or two! Several of the over hit corners by jobe went to Brilliante and whipped them in quite nicely

the_butcher
20-11-2012, 10:05 PM
i will dl the game & re-watch it, then get back to you.

Please do, i'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

Bon, my votes for Griff were for his running off the ball. The amount of times he makes runs and doesnt receive the ball is incredible. Doesnt stop him for continuing to make the effort though.

Jobe was hands-down our best. I didnt realise how much he actually does until I watched from the prawn sandwich section. The bloke has an exceptional passing range and very rarely lost the ball. I read people saying he didnt play the ball forward enough...well it's kind of hard when the opposition stacks 11 players behind the ball and your job is not to lose possession.

parksey
20-11-2012, 10:06 PM
jobe is our best player

leader, captain, hero

seldom
21-11-2012, 01:37 AM
Jobe was hands-down our best. I didnt realise how much he actually does until I watched from the prawn sandwich section. The bloke has an exceptional passing range and very rarely lost the ball. I read people saying he didnt play the ball forward enough...well it's kind of hard when the opposition stacks 11 players behind the ball and your job is not to lose possession.

Agree...don't think your gunna change the mindset of the Wheelhouse haters they seem to be a different breed. I have a few of em sitting behind me...sit in silence when he does good stuff just waiting in anticipation of an error so they can slag the shit out of him. Should of heard the carry on when he was named MOM, was obscene and embarrassing.
If a bloke has a bad game i'll give him a razz but yeah I thought Jobe was our best. Not sure what people want from their defensive mid but i'd be happy for mine to copy him in that particular game.

pv4
21-11-2012, 07:03 AM
tronna boi :cool:

Jeterpool
21-11-2012, 07:37 AM
Agree...don't think your gunna change the mindset of the Wheelhouse haters they seem to be a different breed. I have a few of em sitting behind me...sit in silence when he does good stuff just waiting in anticipation of an error so they can slag the shit out of him. Should of heard the carry on when he was named MOM, was obscene and embarrassing.
If a bloke has a bad game i'll give him a razz but yeah I thought Jobe was our best. Not sure what people want from their defensive mid but i'd be happy for mine to copy him in that particular game.

The more I watch him, the more I can see the influence of Kasey Wehrman coming out in everything he does. He plays exactly like him.

Zico
21-11-2012, 08:01 AM
Agree...don't think your gunna change the mindset of the Wheelhouse haters they seem to be a different breed. I have a few of em sitting behind me...sit in silence when he does good stuff just waiting in anticipation of an error so they can slag the shit out of him. Should of heard the carry on when he was named MOM, was obscene and embarrassing.
If a bloke has a bad game i'll give him a razz but yeah I thought Jobe was our best. Not sure what people want from their defensive mid but i'd be happy for mine to copy him in that particular game.

I give him credit when he deserves it but over all I think he is very poor and if he wasn't a local player he wouldn't get a look in as a starting player yet alone captain . To be honest I've never rated him and unless he has a huge turn around I feel like I never will. Bring Bernado on and drop Jobe.

Jetmaster
21-11-2012, 08:27 AM
I give him credit when he deserves it but over all I think he is very poor and if he wasn't a local player he wouldn't get a look in as a starting player yet alone captain . To be honest I've never rated him and unless he has a huge turn around I feel like I never will. Bring Bernado on and drop Jobe.

I challenge you to watch all our games again, closely without favour, and then genuinely tell me he doesn't deserve to be there......out of Kanta, Ruben and Jobe, I'll put Jobe as our DM. Much like BK, some fans are sweating on his every error.

plague
21-11-2012, 09:24 AM
Would love to know the stats but Jobe would probably touch the ball most out of our team. People will watch him make 30 passes but the minute he misplaces one its like "ZOMG HE'S SO TURRIBLE".
Watch Xavi play, he would pass back or sideways at least 80% of the time, waiting for movement up ahead to play the killer ball.
If blokes in front of Jobe ain't moving what the **** do you expect him to do?

pv4
21-11-2012, 09:55 AM
agreed plague. i see jobe & zad touching the ball the most, hence the most chance to give the ball away.

imo gve has his attacking layout setup completely wrong, and it leaves in particular our cbs & our mid that picks the ball up in a dire situtation with no options. gve wants our high, wide players to set themselves up in a position that basically cancels themselves out. you could see it was virgilli on the wkend - everytime our cb or jobe/rubez had the ball, he was setup basically in behind the wellington left back. not an option whatsoever. taggart came on & when he realised that postion was never seeing him get the ball, he decided to cut in to find the ball - at which time gve blasted him from the sidelines and told him to push high and wide and "i don't want you in there". then you've got the setup where if one of jobe or rubez has the ball, gve wants the other to be setup basically in the mirror-image across the centre-of-goal-to-centre-of-goal-plane position away from him - on the opposite side of the 1-2 opposition defenders closing the man on the ball down. we push our widebacks up into a position which effectively cancels out both themselves & the high/wide guy, and the only option our cbs/jobe/rubez have is a direct play to heskey who's being double-marked.

in summary, vj would be fuming at our setup. we're playing 3 high/wide men exactly how we shouldn't be. the reason this type of game works so effectively for brisbane is they have nichols/murdocca/henrique/etc running the whole game and being very dynamic in their positioning, looking for the ball from smith/jurman/adnan(prev)/paartalu, as opposed to us who don't do any effing running.

we're setting ourselves up so our cbs (tiago, mitchell) plus jobe/rubez only ever have one, maybe two options. and that's why we seemingly lose the ball so much, and why people call for mitchell's head. we're not mobile enough, and hence have no options to play to. we're way predictable.

MFKS
21-11-2012, 11:19 AM
Please do, i'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

Bon, my votes for Griff were for his running off the ball. The amount of times he makes runs and doesnt receive the ball is incredible. Doesn't stop him for continuing to make the effort though.

Jobe was hands-down our best. I didn't realise how much he actually does until I watched from the prawn sandwich section. The bloke has an exceptional passing range and very rarely lost the ball. I read people saying he didn't play the ball forward enough...well it's kind of hard when the opposition stacks 11 players behind the ball and your job is not to lose possession.

As someone who says he doesn't pass thee ball forward enough I will take issue with this statement. If the Nix put 11 blokes behind the ball why does Jobe need to do anything other than play forward??? Whats the point of a pass back to our defenders??

The bloke does have a good range of passing but he needs to change his mindset a little. Pass forward/sideways/back in that order. Not his current mindset of back/sideways/forward. I sit up high at Stade de Newy and see many times when Jobe and Zads and Kanta have opportunity to pass forward to a bloke in a better position. Nothing remotely tough for players of their ability but they far too often turn around and go sideways and back to "retain" possession and we lose a possible attacking foray as out opponent repositions themselves.

Also where is the first time passing from the midfield?? See very little of it and a massive weapon to break down defences. Where is the run from midfield?? Never see Zads/ Jobe /Kanta etc get into the box to support Eskytime. Jobe is actually quite handy at shooting for goal yet he rarely gets up there and Zads and Kanta are never seen that far forward. Where is the dribble from midfield ??Once on Sunday Jobe put his foot down and decided to go past an opponent. What happened we were in the driving seat attacking wise once he did so.

The whole thing is irritating the **** out of me as these 3 positions the 6-8-10 are so ****ed up at present they are one of the main reasons our possession game is shite and our defence gets arse raped suddenly despite looking pretty assured for 90% of the game.

The Egg needs to fix it big time. Wouldn't overtly be unhappy if Jobe/Kanta were actually punted back to centre half fulltime. Keeps them in the team and will allow us a solid player on the ball at the back and also allow us/ force us to FIND the right players in centre mid

plague
21-11-2012, 11:33 AM
Agree 100% PV4.
Getting the wide guys upfield worked v Syd because Heskey and Griff were dropping in to collect the ball from the DM's then going forward. Not much of that happened on Sunday. Hence long balls.

pv4
21-11-2012, 11:35 AM
Agree 100% PV4.
Getting the wide guys upfield worked v Syd because Heskey and Griff were dropping in to collect the ball from the DM's then going forward. Not much of that happened on Sunday. Hence long balls.

same happened v victory also, we canceled ourselves out of the game.

and since sydney, heskey & griff have been double-marked the entire time as the defence needn't worry about our players who aren't even near a chance of getting the ball

Retro Jet
24-11-2012, 04:35 PM
same happened v victory also, we canceled ourselves out of the game.

and since sydney, heskey & griff have been double-marked the entire time as the defence needn't worry about our players who aren't even near a chance of getting the ball

I'll be looking out for this v Fart PV4.

seldom
25-11-2012, 01:04 AM
same happened v victory also, we canceled ourselves out of the game.

and since sydney, heskey & griff have been double-marked the entire time as the defence needn't worry about our players who aren't even near a chance of getting the ball

close to the mark