L-I-V-E-R-P-Double O-L Liverpool FC

[Frodo]

Sorry chumps but after that pen decision, time to nuke Stockley Pk. It's officially an abortion.

Dean calls a foul outside the box. VAR had to check if it was inside the box, which it was, but they can only overturn the free kick if there was a clear and obvious error. If Dean saw enough in that to be a free kick, which even if it's a 20:80 call as to whether or not he fouled him, then VAR is powerless. Have to blame Dean for giving a free kick, or Fabinho for not clearing the ball and then diving in, for this one, sorry.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Yehhh that was my understanding weirdly enough too.
The VAR check is to see where the “contact” was. Don’t see why they then can’t review the now penalty to see if it was a penalty at all. Anyway.
I think we got away with another 2 that could’ve been given. But anyway.
Think Fabinho gets the ball.

We are pretty lacklustre atm.

[Frodo]

Yehhh that was my understanding weirdly enough too.
The VAR check is to see where the “contact� was. Don’t see why they then can’t review the now penalty to see if it was a penalty at all. Anyway.
I think we got away with another 2 that could’ve been given. But anyway.
Think Fabinho gets the ball.

We are pretty lacklustre atm.


I think another part of the problem is that outside of the box, Dean would likely give a free kick, but inside the box he wouldn't. This is wrong tho, it has to be treated the same no matter where it is on the pitch. Even if that's not how it is in reality.

It's probably not a pen most days, but I can see how/why it was given logically.

[fozphantom]

1700

I got up to get me Optus money worth and thought itd be a goal fest. wrong
So you reckon this is inside the box do you? Sorry about image size. Easy to google or this link might have it bigger.
https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1320091435291594755?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1320091435291594755%7Ctwgr% 5Eshare_3%2Ccontainerclick_0&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Ffootba ll%2Flive%2F2020%2Foct%2F24%2Fliverpool-v-sheffield-united-premier-league-live

Id be incensed if this happened to my team {whick shall remain nameless}
They were showing Slo-mo replays on the incident and im sitting pissed off the game is delayed yet again because of VAR and thinking "they're looking at whether it's a foul or not, surely?".
Fabino gets the ball. whole incident should be negated but nope, those dickheads are only looking for one thing.
Ruled a penalty because McBurnie's heel is touching the line? that's deemed 'inside' the box?
Really starting to look like it's there to justify its own existence now.

[redwah]

1700

I got up to get me Optus money worth and thought itd be a goal fest. wrong
So you reckon this is inside the box do you? Sorry about image size. Easy to google or this link might have it bigger.
https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1320091435291594755?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1320091435291594755%7Ctwgr% 5Eshare_3%2Ccontainerclick_0&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Ffootba ll%2Flive%2F2020%2Foct%2F24%2Fliverpool-v-sheffield-united-premier-league-live

Id be incensed if this happened to my team {whick shall remain nameless}
They were showing Slo-mo replays on the incident and im sitting pissed off the game is delayed yet again because of VAR and thinking "they're looking at whether it's a foul or not, surely?".
Fabino gets the ball. whole incident should be negated but nope, those dickheads are only looking for one thing.
Ruled a penalty because McBurnie's heel is touching the line? that's deemed 'inside' the box?
Really starting to look like it's there to justify its own existence now.

Shit call but he actually has more of his foot on the line than mane was offside by last week

[cobra23]

Shit call but he actually has more of his foot on the line than mane was offside by last week

VAR Is ****ing up the game.
Fab got the ball anyways. softest pen ..

even VVD Last game he was on side as the ball was played , then VAR slowly was moving the camera to a shot of him in a offside position to cover the call the ref had to make on Pickford the GRUB.

Don't get me started on the Mane call .. FFS

[Jetmaster]

I laughed at one in the second half where Salah was 2 metres offside when he got the ball - linesman kept flag down though it was obvious.

Now what if Salah went for a challenge about 5 seconds after it should have been stopped and clashed with the keeper in a 50/50 and did damage?

Really, VAR is mutating over ever changing scenarios and chasing its own tail.

[Jeterpool]

I laughed at one in the second half where Salah was 2 metres offside when he got the ball - linesman kept flag down though it was obvious.

Now what if Salah went for a challenge about 5 seconds after it should have been stopped and clashed with the keeper in a 50/50 and did damage?

Really, VAR is mutating over ever changing scenarios and chasing its own tail.

I said the exact same thing in my household. Why don't the officials call offside any more? Is infuriating and yes - could lead to an unnecessary injury

[StannyCFCJET]

Some refs tell the linesmen they don't want to hear from them cause it's their show

[Jeterpool]

Some refs tell the linesmen they don't want to hear from them cause it's their show

Is nice of the players to oblige and give the referee a platform to show their level of ability

[cobra23]

I said the exact same thing in my household. Why don't the officials call offside any more? Is infuriating and yes - could lead to an unnecessary injury

it used to piss me off when I was playing, you might be offside just past half way then you sprint for the ball and get called up near the goal line.
its a killer especially in the later end of the game when your more exhausted.
Put your flag straight away when I attempt to run for it you little nerds. lol

[redwah]

I said the exact same thing in my household. Why don't the officials call offside any more? Is infuriating and yes - could lead to an unnecessary injury

Worst thing is when the player is offside at halfway but does “get involved “ with the play, I.e touch the ball, until inside the box so the linesman put his flag up then so the free kick it 30m closer to goal than it should be. As soon as the defender has to turn and run you have been involved with the play....if he tears a hammy chasing a bloke that was 2m offside at halfway I’d be ****ing fuming.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Fabinho off with a hamstring. Doesn’t look severe, but could see conservative few weeks out.

[Retro Jet]

Fabinho off with a hamstring. Doesn’t look severe, but could see conservative few weeks out.

Who are we thinking will go in there peep? The position is cursed!
Nat Phillips?
Has Rhys Williams shown enuf in Champions League?
I've read Hendo has been considered.
lol Wonder how 'the Enforcer' Milner would go? It's always talked up he can play any position.

[Bremsstrahlung]

I think he will give Williams or Phillips a go.
Don’t know too much about Phillips. He’s given Williams a run in the league cup and now Champions league. So I suspect he sees something he wants to develop.

Don’t know about Henderson. Think he’s better suited to our midfield especially with no Fabinho. His work rate would be missed.

Milner would be a maybe? Idk.
Good week to trial somebody there.

Think we pretty much need a specialist defender to play CB. Wonder if Tskaimis (whatever his name is) or TAA would be considered to fill CB and N Williams on RB.

Think we will stick with one of our two CB options until they screw up.

[Retro Jet]

Nat Phillips looked pretty comfortable in the cursed position.
Nice ball from Shaq to Jota. Shaq deserves a start soon if he can stay fit. Livewire.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Nat Phillips looked pretty comfortable in the cursed position.
Nice ball from Shaq to Jota. Shaq deserves a start soon if he can stay fit. Livewire.

Haven’t watched the game yet.
Did you see Shaq in UCL?
Bloke was blowing hard at the 50-60 mark.
Front 3 of Jota, minamino and Shaq looked impotent.

Also, Adama traore, what’s going on there? No goals. Meant to be next best thing. Haven’t watched their games but he got 15 minutes last game. Wonder if his price has dropped now.

[cowolter]

Shaqiri was very good second half, him and Jota did well with their minutes
November’s schedule looks farkin nightmarish, lots of travels and no ‘easier’ matches, in a compacted calendar (https://printsbery.com/planner-templates/weekly-calendar) too. Sure hope the boys stay injury free. Would be nice to have Thiago/Keita/Matip back sooner rather than later too (without any risk of re-injury, of course).

[Jetmaster]

Had a gutful of this "he feels contact so goes down" rubbish. Players are now even criticised if they try to stay on their feet.

Jimmy Hill once talked of the "spirit" of the law versus the "letter" of the law - that is where the big change is with modern football.

In the spirit of the law, Mo dived. In the letter of the law there was contact so he was obliged to fall over.

https://talksport.com/football/783029/salah-kane-cheat-manipulating-referees-penalty-murphy-cascarino-jordan/

[Jeterpool]

Jota's settled in well. An excellent piece of recruitment so far.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Jota's settled in well. An excellent piece of recruitment so far.

Agree.
Imo, sets minamino back a few steps. Looks a better option to come on. Origi and minamino really need to solve a problem for us this season if they are gonna be retained.
I’m still not sold on Shaqiri. Consistency. Never know whether he’s gonna be threading passes and lashing shots or puffed after 5 minutes.
Clean sheet v Atalanta a good outcome.
Will allow us to relax a little.
Another win and we should finish top.
Will help our fixture congestion a little not needing to play top 11 every game.

[redwah]

Had a gutful of this "he feels contact so goes down" rubbish. Players are now even criticised if they try to stay on their feet.

Jimmy Hill once talked of the "spirit" of the law versus the "letter" of the law - that is where the big change is with modern football.

In the spirit of the law, Mo dived. In the letter of the law there was contact so he was obliged to fall over.

https://talksport.com/football/783029/salah-kane-cheat-manipulating-referees-penalty-murphy-cascarino-jordan/
The law does say you have to fall to the ground when kicked to earn a free kick or penalty so if referees called the law how it is players wouldn’t need to “dive” to earn free kick.....also if grown men can’t stay on their feet when someone farts near them then that’s a joke as well and simulation should be called.....both sides of it are shite but it is how it is

[StannyCFCJET]

Mane dives again. If its not him its Salah. Premier League refs need to do something about it

[Bremsstrahlung]

Mane dives again. If its not him its Salah. Premier League refs need to do something about it

Cmon Stanny, don’t throw them stones or your glass house comes crashing down.

Was there contact? Looked like it. Penalty stands. Soft I agree.
This is the sport now unfortunately.
There’s no incentive to try and stay on your feet. Look at Sterling, got contact, took some steps and thought he could get a shot off, realised he couldn’t, fell. No cigar.

[redwah]

Mane dives again. If its not him its Salah. Premier League refs need to do something about it

They are......giving penalties ��

[Jetmaster]

This is the sport now unfortunately.

This is the problem....everyone seems to just grudgingly accept everything from MSM to FIFA and IFAB.

The lack of passion is getting more and more apparent. I watch few live games now.

And the only time I had the old jump out of the seat to celebrate feeling this year was Topor's goal.

[Bremsstrahlung]

“Serious knee injury” to Gomez.

[Retro Jet]

“Serious knee injury” to Gomez.

Just read it on ThisIsAnfield...
Ffs!!!

Robbo has potentially 3 games in 8 days (Serbia, Slovakia n Israel) then back for Leicester, 11 days...then Atalanta....
Hope he gets a break in there.

Robbo - Fab - Matip - Milner?? Wonder how long that would last.
Jurgen: Ring ring..."Ja, hallo Michael...."

[Jeterpool]

Just read it on ThisIsAnfield...
Ffs!!!

Robbo has potentially 3 games in 8 days (Serbia, Slovakia n Israel) then back for Leicester, 11 days...then Atalanta....
Hope he gets a break in there.

Robbo - Fab - Matip - Milner?? Wonder how long that would last.
Jurgen: Ring ring..."Ja, hallo Michael...."

I think it will be:

Neco Williams - Matip - Rhys Williams/Nat Phillips - Robertson (with Tsimikas playing v Atalanta)

[Bremsstrahlung]

Yehhhh we have to be in for somebody in the January window surely.
Upamecano, Ben white and Koulibaly (linked to anybody) were all mentioned preseason.

Some things I’ve read afterwards suggest this could be pretty serious too.
“Nobody was around, it’s never a good sign”
Probably Sterling did a Pickford on him.

My moneys on another acl.
Best case, some lateral ligament or meniscus and 6-8 weeks

[Retro Jet]

Oh no, no Mo! Mo blow...
He's got the Miley Cyrus now, ffs.
Mane, Firmino and Jota up front v Leicester?


And did anybody catch in a post-match interview that Robbo didn't take a pen (v Serbia) because of a hammy problem?
Tsimikas to make PL debut...unless Steve Clarke rests Robbo now?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Robbo rested in this mornings game it appears.
Could you imagine Klopp if he was played and did his hammy.

Wijnaldum with a brace too. Wonder what we will do with him. Can situation all over again.

[Bremsstrahlung]

What trash.

[Bremsstrahlung]

1. Salah offside was close. If they need to do those stupid little 3D lines and zoom in, it’s a bit much.
2. Neco Williams penalty. Watching live I thought it was a bit rough, as Brighton player moves into the path of Williams. Imo Brighton player takes out Williams. They never seem to show the “controversial” angle. I think I saw one, from end on, where you see him throw his body weight into Williams and they both go down. The other angles all make it look like excessive force on Williams behalf. Anyway. Maupay muffs it.
3. Mane header offside. Can live with that one. Didn’t need to draw the stupid lines.
4. That pen at the end. Geez. That barely gets given at halfway, let alone in the box. Wellbeck takes 2 steps before he gets snipered and goes down. Nobody appealed. Nobody thought anything of it. Except old mate in the VAR box.
Would’ve loved to hear what Robinson says at full time and what he thought of the decision.

[Jetmaster]

Wellbeck takes 2 steps before he gets snipered and goes down.

Just like Salah v West Ham - they all now have an afterthought to fall down as it will go to VAR. If they don't it doesn't. If there is "contact" it is now a penalty.

Everyone knows it's **** but the silent majority do nothing and are not listened to, sign of the times.

[Jeterpool]

Just like Salah v West Ham - they all now have an afterthought to fall down as it will go to VAR. If they don't it doesn't. If there is "contact" it is now a penalty.

Everyone knows it's **** but the silent majority do nothing and are not listened to, sign of the times.

Agree.

We're now living in the VAR era where every interaction has the opportunity to be re-officiated.

Going by precedent set with example above, and many others which can be deemed as soft, it's a pen.

[pv4]

Just watched the highlights and Brem, multiple Brighton players are signaling the ref about the pen - they appealed alright.
Also the defender kicked the shit out of the attackers foot lol, don't rashly challenge like that in your own box and expect no consequences.
Var is shit but it's nice it finally is going the other way, finally.

[Jetmaster]

Just watched the highlights and Brem, multiple Brighton players are signaling the ref about the pen - they appealed alright.
Also the defender kicked the shit out of the attackers foot lol, don't rashly challenge like that in your own box and expect no consequences.
Var is shit but it's nice it finally is going the other way, finally.

Disagree - I'm no Liverpool fan but that isn't a penalty in the spirit of the game. Playing for the ball and getting it.

Sick of people just rolling over and accepting these new rule interpretations - VAR is not the problem per se but the rule changes to accommodate it are.

[pv4]

Playing for the ball and getting it.

And getting it? I just rewatched the incident a good ten times trying to figure out how you drew that conclusion.

[Jetmaster]

And getting it? I just rewatched the incident a good ten times trying to figure out how you drew that conclusion.

Looked to me he touched the ball, sorry, made "contact". Previously that's all you had to do, play the ball. It didn't matter if you took old mate's legs out as long as you touched the ball. Again it is the change in rules I am attacking, not the decision.

Plus you reward people like Wellbeck for going down like a wuss.

[Retro Jet]

I'll just leave this here for future reference...
We're gonna need it!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNfQo33JKf0

[boz-monaut]

kwe-whin

Irish names are stupid

[Bremsstrahlung]

Looked to me he touched the ball, sorry, made "contact". Previously that's all you had to do, play the ball. It didn't matter if you took old mate's legs out as long as you touched the ball. Again it is the change in rules I am attacking, not the decision.

Plus you reward people like Wellbeck for going down like a wuss.

Poveda of Leeds got his foot kicked this morning, more obviously, stayed on his feet cause he still had ball. “If he goes down, that’s a penalty”.
That’s what’s wrong with it. It’s either a penalty or not. Whether a player goes down should have nothing to do with it. Good on him for trying to stay on his feet, but what’s he got to show for it?
Just encourages them going down. VAR didn’t look at it and overrule.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Coady took a dive, made out there was minor contact, ref awards penalty.
VAR checks, shows Mane pulled out and no contact at all.
Reversed decision - obvious simulation.
Now, can the referee not give a yellow in this situation because it was VAR reviewed?

[Retro Jet]

Coady took a dive, made out there was minor contact, ref awards penalty.
VAR checks, shows Mane pulled out and no contact at all.
Reversed decision - obvious simulation.
Now, can the referee not give a yellow in this situation because it was VAR reviewed?

If cards have been issued retrospectively with 'the abomination', and they have, then precedent set.
Agent Coady should have seen da cheese.

[Jetmaster]

If cards have been issued retrospectively with 'the abomination', and they have, then precedent set.
Agent Coady should have seen da cheese.

VAR cannot be used to give yellow cards, only red cards. Them's the rules.

[Jetmaster]

Any of you Red lot off to the flicks at Kotara next week?

https://www.eventcinemas.com.au/Movie/Lfc---The-End-Of-The-Storm#date=2020-12-18&cinemas=85


https://youtu.be/FeJA9W_m-FE

[Bremsstrahlung]

VAR cannot be used to give yellow cards, only red cards. Them's the rules.

This was my first thoughts too.
But then I found this: (https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10219525/hudson-odoi-booked-for-diving/amp/
Hudson Odoi awarded a penalty. VAR reviewed, overturned and he was issued a yellow card for simulation.
Also, I seem to recall a red card being reviewed and overturned to a yellow card as the player was deemed to be making a legitimate attempt on the ball, and a penalty was awarded.
And Clattenburg has come out and said he was surprised there was no yellow.

So I think, while you cannot review a yellow card incident, yellow cards can be given as a result of a review? Perhaps.

Prior to this I didn’t think it was allowed, because as you say VAR isn’t allowed to be used for yellow cards. But the way the commentators spoke, clattenburg being a former referee (and was it him or Webb that was like the head of referees in MLS?) and now a few articles are making me think otherwise.

Would enjoy seeing Mo or Mane get their yellow tbh. They are both so good and don’t need that rubbish in their game.

[Jetmaster]

Again shows what a dog's breakfast the rules have become.

I still remember Chris Beath reffing a game down in Melbourne, he missed a minor incident but you could see him hold his earpiece as the replay came up on Fox then turn and issue a yellow.

[Frodo]

The United vs PSG had that incident where Fred headbutted Paredes, VAR called the ref over to the monitor and he went and gave Fred a yellow card.

Didn't think they could use VAR to issue a yellow card for an incident, but no one has any clue what the rules are with it anymore so no idea.

[Retro Jet]

Turds ar Stockley Pk at it again. Fab's challenge - I watched this live and like everyone was gearing up for the corner. Nope...gotta intervene again.
We were puss 1st half. From the 1st minute Hendo and all didn't read Fulham's intention.
Soft foul on Salah in the buildup to their goal but thought he could have made a stronger effort at the ball there.

Big test on Thurs. Ox back in time??

[Retro Jet]

RIP Gérard Houllier - 73yo.
Thanks for the treble mate.

[Frodo]

Thank you. I very much needed that.

Completely dominated them from start to finish, Spuds lucky to create those 3 chances out of nothing but they choked as usual when the pressure was on. Title is Liverpool's to lose again now. A couple of signings in January and some returning players and you'll pull out a big gap soon.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Brilliant game.
2 contrasting styles. But had me intrigued the whole time.

Mourinho happy to sit back and counter. And were very unlucky not to be 3-1 up. Kane's header, Bergwyn's 2 chances. Son's not offside call (i know it wasn't offside) just adds salt to the wounds of how many close ones have gone against us.
Salah goal very lucky. But i think we deserved a goal, whether it lucky or not, for that 80% possession.
And Firmino header, brilliant.

Mourinho being a C at the end too. Klopp just laughing. Interesting to see what all the Spurs players were bitching about at the end tbh

[Bremsstrahlung]

Thank you. I very much needed that.

Completely dominated them from start to finish, Spuds lucky to create those 3 chances out of nothing but they choked as usual when the pressure was on. Title is Liverpool's to lose again now. A couple of signings in January and some returning players and you'll pull out a big gap soon.


This season (maybe not for Arsenal) but for a neutral, has been great because it's taken 12 weeks and there's still no clear out and out winner. All teams have their good weeks and bad weeks. City at West Brom, Liverpool with Villa, everyone's having mixed results.
I'd much rather us be 12 points clear by now, but also, it's nice to have each game matter a little bit and add excitement.

[Frodo]

As I said, once you guys get some players back and maybe add another player or two you'll get up to full speed and walk away with the title. If City can find a striker they could start catching you tho, so better get on your bike now and open up a gap.

[Bremsstrahlung]

VVD and Gomez and Matip not playing regularly is killing us, conceding pretty much ever game. As you’d expect.
Injury to Jota hasn’t helped out options in attack. Origi can leave now, offers very little in terms of backup imo.
Front 3 are pretty reliable, or at least have been for 18 months. (Jinxed)
And we have a good stock of midfielders. Shame Thiago is out, would love to see him work his magic.
Just failing to click with consistency, largely due to injuries and also fixtures, we constantly need to rotate and shuffle things.

Williams appears to be preferred option to philips as 4th choice CB.

I absolutely love Henderson and Robertson. While Henderson isn’t the most technical or skilful player, he is commanding, determined and is always working. Same with Robertson however, his pace and delivery make him one of the best LBs at the moment. Though wijnaldum also worked very hard today. And Salah constantly tracked back and put pressure on Son.

Klopp has done wonders for this club. Players want to play and work for him, supporters love him and Klopp seems happy. Definitely get the same vibes o got watching him at Dortmund.


Edit:
Watched City yesterday (I captained de bruyne in fantasy fml) and was very disappointed. When Liverpool had 80% possession they look dangerous and they constantly probe or try things.
City just keep the ball for the sake of it. There’s very little movement or threat in their play. It’s slow. Until de Bruyne gets sick of it and tries things.
Jesus and Aguero could fetch some decent $$$ to enable them to get in a star.
City look very stale.

[Frodo]

City look very stale.

This.


But, Pep just signed an extension and you would think it was because he planned on rebuilding the squad once more and trying for the UCL again. I genuinely wouldn't be shocked if they got Messi at season's end (no fact behind that, just piecing together weak links) but at absolute worst they'll be selling some players and going shopping.


I wish Arsenal were in a position to grab Bernardo Silva who can't get a game with City anymore, don't think he wants to deal with a relegation battle right now.



But, get Thiago back, at least of your first choice 1 CBs soon and replace Oxlade with a more reliable attacking midfielder in the transfer window and Liverpool won't be caught this season.

[Negative Police]

no one seems to want to win this year. any dodgy betting?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Reading Mourinhos comments are hilarious.

I agree that they had good chances, and could’ve won. But I don’t think Spurs were the better team. If they won, people would be saying they got lucky.
Comments about klopp.
Liverpool have no injuries.

He is sounding like his days at Chelsea v2 and Man U. But has no reason to, Spurs are in a good position, good form, don’t need him being stupid.

[StannyCFCJET]

Reading Mourinhos comments are hilarious.

I agree that they had good chances, and could’ve won. But I don’t think Spurs were the better team. If they won, people would be saying they got lucky.
Comments about klopp.
Liverpool have no injuries.

He is sounding like his days at Chelsea v2 and Man U. But has no reason to, Spurs are in a good position, good form, don’t need him being stupid.

Kopp has been whining more then anyone these days. He's as bad a prime Jose whenever Liverpool have a bad result

[redwah]

Kopp has been whining more then anyone these days. He's as bad a prime Jose whenever Liverpool have a bad result

Hmmm...he seems to whine about overworked players, shithouse scheduling..something every manager should whine about, European teams or lower league. The total calander is a joke and if ANY of the governing bodies gave a **** about the players they would listen...they don’t, the press don’t so the whining goes on

[Retro Jet]

https://www.facebook.com/442oons/videos/414380059763159/

I'll leave comments on the game to the experts.
:rof:

[Bremsstrahlung]

We look very flat and lacklustre Atm.
Think this is where our injuries and depth are hurting us.
Our premier 11 hasn’t changed too much, but the ability to rotate and keep players fresh has suffered. Jota would be a blessing right now to change things.
Salah looks flat, but dare klopp rest him amid transfer rumours.
Henderson looks like he’s not 100%.
Mane playing well and not going down easy when he was grabbed. Firminodoing Firmino things (easy to scapegoat him when we aren’t scoring imo, but he’s doing his usual stuff)
Thiago being fit again will be a blessing. Bloke looks class. He looks to be able to take our tempo from 0 to 100 in a second. Which is what we need atm.

Darlow did brilliantly too.


Genuinely enjoying this season so far. A real battle for all teams.

[Jim]

You're done and dusted. Chokers

Most other years these pts would be 4th or 5th.

[Bremsstrahlung]

You're done and dusted. Chokers

Most other years these pts would be 4th or 5th.

Good input, your contribution has been enlightening.

[Retro Jet]

R.I.P. Gerry Marsden

YNWA....

[furns]

R.I.P. Gerry Marsden

YNWA....
ffs 2020 was supposed to be finished by now

[Bremsstrahlung]

Anyone know why we’ve stopped paying VAR? Seems a bit silly.

[Jeterpool]

For all the CB issues Liverpool have had, I'm a little interested that Sepp van den Berg hasn't had a run so far.

He was brought in a few years ago, obviously with the view to grow and progress, but I'm surprised his name hasn't been thrown about a bit more.

[Jeterpool]

Good solid win this morning.

Does Lloris have hands?

[Frodo]

Spuds thought they were title contenders but got comfortably beat up by Liverpool with CMs in the backline and on a terrible run of form (relative to normal form for them?

Thanks boys. I enjoyed that immensely.

[Retro Jet]

Mo's 2nd goal...and the leadup to it all. :fap:

Reminded me a lot of the game v City @ Anfield last season and Mo's goal then but sub Shaq for Robbo.
Then, that was Trent to Robbo, Robbo sees Mo and one bounce in front of him he heads it in.

From 3'25"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOXtH55Db2I

[furns]

2 defenders incoming, which is good. Matip now confirmed as out for the rest of the season, which is shit.
Fingers crossed Gomez and VVD will see some time this season

[Jeterpool]

Fingers crossed Gomez and VVD will see some time this season

I will be very surprised if they do mate.

[Bremsstrahlung]

The newest news I’ve seen is that VVD was indeed a ACL recon, which I don’t recall them ever confirming at the time. They’ve been very very vague. But thats like a 9 month recovery for the elite. And idk if we’d risk rushing him back for the sake of a few games.
Also reports that Gomez did his patellar tendon. So I dare say his injury is worse than VVDs. Major weight bearing tendon. I’m concerned there would even be some everlasting issues with his injury.
I’d be surprised if we see either of them for any meaningful contribution.


Wow. Just saw Furn’s comment that Matip out.
CB depth was questioned at the beginning of the season. But I don’t think anybody thought we’d suffer season ending injuries to our top 3 CBs.

I imagine we will see Fabinho stick to CB and get a new partner every second week.
Reports I’ve seen don’t sell Davies or Kabak as saviours at the back. But surely a specialist is better than playing Henderson and Fabinho there every game.

[StannyCFCJET]

Alison has lost his head, Soo many blunders past few weeks

[Bremsstrahlung]

Yehhh, we’ve lost our way a lot.
Think he’s overthinking things, trying to make up for his errors of past and making things worse.

Glad we had a good run and now back to usual vying for top 4.
Really think Henderson missing from midfield is one of our biggest issues. The rest of our team is virtually the same, but that CB position is killing us. VVD good at picking outlet balls and also offensively dangerous on set pieces.

Curious what we do with Firmino, Mane and Salah in the summer. Other attacking players may start to see us as an option now. Jota has showed that you can come in and get game time and succeed and push for a start.

City are deadset walking this. Augero out, Jesus not stepping up, and playing false 9s every game. The depth they have is incredible.

[StannyCFCJET]

Maybe how hard Klopp works his teams and how demanding he is is starting to wear thin

[redwah]

Yehhh, we’ve lost our way a lot.
Think he’s overthinking things, trying to make up for his errors of past and making things worse.

Glad we had a good run and now back to usual vying for top 4.
Really think Henderson missing from midfield is one of our biggest issues. The rest of our team is virtually the same, but that CB position is killing us. VVD good at picking outlet balls and also offensively dangerous on set pieces.

Curious what we do with Firmino, Mane and Salah in the summer. Other attacking players may start to see us as an option now. Jota has showed that you can come in and get game time and succeed and push for a start.

City are deadset walking this. Augero out, Jesus not stepping up, and playing false 9s every game. The depth they have is incredible.
How is the rest of the team virtually the same....missing Centre half pair, 2 of the starting midfielders and the bench looks no better tan my u16s...seriously I know it’s excuse making and all but the team is so out of balance it’s crazy....not to mention 2 of the front 3 out of form and Trent not getting the usual protection from inside when he goes forward....and Allison making mistakes.

We aren’t playing well and the squad seems like their heads are gone.

[Ghost of Plague]

Will be interesting to see which domino falls first.
Salah seems the obvious choice to go.
I'd be shocked if they let Mane go, but in fairness it's not as if they have a good record letting their best forwards leave.
They do need a plan b though when games are bogged down.
A proper #10 would be good for them. Head off to Spain and get one on the cheap.

[Jeterpool]

Maybe how hard Klopp works his teams and how demanding he is is starting to wear thin

I think this is on the money. We saw it with his Dortmund team after a long period of high performance.

[StannyCFCJET]

I think this is on the money. We saw it with his Dortmund team after a long period of high performance.

Happens to all the top managers these days, Cept Pep

[boz-monaut]

Pep has the advantage of being able to throw money at all this problems

but yeah, I think we all knew this was going to happen with Klopp and this team - as happened at Dortmund

"these unprecendented times" has had an impact obviously, as it has on every team - but long term injuries and loss of form of key players has all happened at once with Liverpool

we lasted 30 years, we'll all be supporting them in 30 more (unless we die obviously)

[Ghost of Plague]

we lasted 30 years, we'll all be supporting them in 30 more (unless we die obviously)

Nah, even when you die and become a ghost you can still watch football.
Although because I went to Hell, the boss down here only let's me watch Jets games.

Cruel bastard.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Didn't even realise Minamino was loaned to Southampton. Very cool finish there V Chelsea.

[Retro Jet]

Didn't even realise Minamino was loaned to Southampton. Very cool finish there V Chelsea.

I watched that...and other good footwork. Makes me wonder if he had shackles on elsewhere n now has licence to be 'Minamino'.
He might make it back 'cause I reckon the broom is going thru in the summer.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Henderson out now with a groin.
Bloody hell. At the moment that is VVD, Gomez, Matip, Fabinho and now Henderson. Kabak and Davies must be shitting themselves. Curious if Davies inclusion on the bench signals the end for philips and Williams blooding. Or if they’ll split CL and EPL

We just look impotent at the moment. We look good on the ball, with thiago, wijnaldum and even Jones doesn’t look out of place. Idk if there’s lack of movement from Mane, Salah and Firmino or what, but our attack seems to struggle.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Saw a stat, if Henderson stayed on until halftime, him and Kabak would have matched the longest continuous CB partnership this season.
Philips and Henderson remain the record holders with 2.5 games.

[StannyCFCJET]

Mount is going to the very top, VAR still sucks and Surely Klopp's job is very much under threat

[Frodo]

Mount is going to the very top, VAR still sucks and Surely Klopp's job is very much under threat

Lmao. As if they are going to sack Klopp right now? I love some good ribbing after a loss, but this is just nonsensical...


And that's coming from me.

Liverpool are still close to UCL with 1/2 their first team squad available. If they end up getting any of their first choice CBs back soon they are guaranteed to jump back into the top 4. Chelsea need to make sure they are ahead of a few teams when that inevitably happens otherwise Tuchel is going to be hamstrung with lowly Europa League ties when he tries to convince the next £200 million worth of flops to come over from Germany.

[Ghost of Plague]

So does Klopp stay on as an assistant to Gerrard or does Stevie bring his own staff in someone tell me how this works?

[furns]

Klopp isnt going anywhere lol
Starting to get a few players back from injury, once we can start playing first choice players in their preferred positions rather than covering at CB then things will be a lot rosier. It is what it is.
We've waited 30 years for a bloody title, I can handle finishing outside of the race this season considering everything thats gone on. I think most sensible supporters understand things haven't gone our way, the exact same thing happened to City last season when they lost most of their decent defenders, they were a long way off.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Yeh,
Klopp has earned his contract extension and the right to go out on his terms. Imo, he’s the type of manage that if he felt he lost the dressing room or felt burnt out like some media suggests, he’d walk away.
He took a few months away from the game when his stocks were at their highest to rejuvenate himself.
In terms of results, I dare say he would’ve been in discussions to bring in some coverage at the back and supplement the squad. Due to the global situation, I think they all agreed it wouldn’t be worth it financially atm as players are definitely over priced given the financial situation of most clubs.

I think what happens in the next 12 months will determine his future. If we get VVD and Gomez back, we get Henderson and Fabinho back to midfield.
Jota is back. I think we need another creative player. Somebody that can just conjure up something when we need it.
Like Salah last season, coutinho, Suarez. They just make something from nothing.

Our front three have been disappointing relative to previous years and perhaps it’s time to start thinking of a plan b.
Our lack of a plan b, is what concerns me most sometimes. Teams have us figured out. We are going to play 4-3-3. If they sit back and absorb, we probably won’t score atm, then they counter or get a set piece.

[Retro Jet]

Thank **** for Jota, eh?
At least one of them knows where the onion bag is with some consistency.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Could’ve done with those 3 points.
For what it’s worth.

[Retro Jet]

Could’ve done with those 3 points.
For what it’s worth.

Can't help feeling now that a certain distraction had a part to play in it.
Nat Phillips not being available didn't help either. I like how he commands corners.
We'll never know how that game would have panned out with him in the backline.

For all local fans, the OLFC Newcastle branch is having a function at Queens Wharf Hotel this Saturday, 9:30pm for the Newcastle game.
It's to celebrate the official status of the local supporters club becoming affiliated with the mothership.
There was a rumour CJ has been invited to attend.
I'm sure the ESL fiasco will dominate conversations on the night.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Interesting couple of weeks ahead.

Leicester - 66, Chelsea and Spurs, GD 21
Chelsea - 64, Leicester and villa GD 22
Liverpool - 60, WBA, Burnley and Palace. GD20

Destiny in our hands it seems. Win 3/3 we go to 69 and at least a GD of 23

Worst case scenario, Chelsea beats Leicester 1-0 and villa - 70 points. GD irrelevant.
Leicester lose to Chelsea, beat spurs. 69 points. Loss to Chelsea 1-0 brings GD to 20 and need to beat spurs 3-0.

Of course we need to win our 3 games. If we can’t do that, we dont deserve it anyway.

[StannyCFCJET]

Chelsea have ****ed it royally losing to that garbage Arsenal team. Classic us

[Frodo]

Chelsea have ****ed it royally losing to that garbage Arsenal team. Classic us

Happened both home and away too don't forget, lmao.

[StannyCFCJET]

Happened both home and away too don't forget, lmao.

Oh I wont for a long term

[Retro Jet]

Drop it!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkdAlhnMOLs

[Retro Jet]

That was ****ing unbelievable!
Fat Sam didn't see thst coming.
Neither did Sam Johnstone :rof:

Alisson Becker with perhaps the moment of the season.
:brrr:

Still in our hands.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Wow. Getting some luck.
Great moment.
Must be a keepers dream.

Thought the disallowed goal for WBA was a bit rough until I saw the end camera which basically shows him unable to see the ball/header.

We will take it, but it’s not filling me with much confidence haha.
Burnley and palace with nothing to play for.

[Retro Jet]

I just watched again and Phillips nearly takes it off Ali's head.
Nice to ride a wave of emotion for a few days but it will be feet on the ground come Thursday morning.

Ka-fey beckons...

[Bremsstrahlung]

Playing frantically atm.
Thiago gives the ball away and launches himself everywhere to win it back.
Salah gives it away on own 18, works back and makes a last ditch tackle on the 6yard.
Where’s this been?

Burnley getting the best of the bounce atm. So many 30-70 tackles are leaving the ball hitting a heel or something to their favour.

[boz-monaut]

positive but still can't celebrate until three points against Palace

[Retro Jet]

OLSC Newcastle watching at Wests New Lambton for this one.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Very happy with that result from this season.
Considering how bad we were playing and how understrength we have been for long periods of this season, I think that’s a great outcome.
Nice touch that Gini got to say goodbye. Has served us well

Would’ve made UCL final very very interesting if Leicester won and Chelsea lost.

[Jeterpool]

Nice touch that Gini got to say goodbye. Has served us well
.

I will miss Gini, and surprisingly there has been very little other than the usual tabloid rumours about him running down his contract.

The fans are in limbo - could he still stay? when we really know was most likely.

[boz-monaut]

overwhelming feeling at the moment is just relief that that season is over, and relief that they somehow made third place

so where's Wijnaldum actually going? I haven't heard anything

[Jeterpool]

overwhelming feeling at the moment is just relief that that season is over, and relief that they somehow made third place

so where's Wijnaldum actually going? I haven't heard anything

Barcelona have been heavily linked all season but nothing concrete or confirmed

[Retro Jet]

Happy LFC birthday Jordan Henderson.
10 years at the club.

[Retro Jet]

http://www.hesgoal.com/news/84171/Liverpool_vs_Bologna.html

On now!

[Retro Jet]

Well, that was a good start.
Mo: 1st to score in 5 consecutive openers. 1 goal, 2 assists...if you count the first one. :rof:

I was impressed with Tsimakas until a few of his brain farts. Milner n VVD certainly let him know the standard that's required.
Good feet and delivery. Certainly adequate cover for Robbo.

That's the longest I've ever heard the 'Bobby' song sung.

Time to burn Burnley.

[Jeterpool]

Well, that was a good start.
Mo: 1st to score in 5 consecutive openers. 1 goal, 2 assists...if you count the first one. :rof:

I was impressed with Tsimakas until a few of his brain farts. Milner n VVD certainly let him know the standard that's required.
Good feet and delivery. Certainly adequate cover for Robbo.

That's the longest I've ever heard the 'Bobby' song sung.

Time to burn Burnley.

Thoughts on Oxlade-Chamberlain and Keita (not just Retro but everyone)? I thought Ox struggled to get into the game for the 60 minutes he was on. Keita in the first half too was quiet but was better in the second half.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Kind of struck me as a “show me what you got” type of move.
Agree Keita was bit more influential than Ox. May be the bleary eyes but ox was pretty anonymous.

Tsimikis had good enterprise but lacked the quality that Robertson brings. Made me
Realise how lucky we are to have Robbo and also have him fit 90% of the time.

Biggest problem for me was the lack of Klopps glasses. Did he get contacts? Or laser? FMD, how we let this happen is beyond me. How do we brand his merch now.

[Ghost of Plague]

Thought Norwich were poor. If those 3 mids are the core of the team this year they can't compete for the title. City, United and Chelsea so much stronger.
Pogba and Fernandes were on a completely different level last night.

Henderson makes no difference either.

They stuffed up by not selling a couple of players at their peak last year and revitalising the squad.

[Bremsstrahlung]

There’s no way ox, keita and Milner start for that 25% of games this season.

Fabinho, Henderson, Thiago.

Also disagree, Henderson makes a massive difference.
VVD is world class though.

[Ghost of Plague]

There’s no way ox, keita and Milner start for that 25% of games this season.

Fabinho, Henderson, Thiago.

Also disagree, Henderson makes a massive difference.
VVD is world class though.

Sorry should have clarified. Henderson doesn't change the way they play and Liverpool's Achilles heel has always been a lack of plan B.
Their system is fantastic right up until the point that it isn't.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Definitely.
We lack a Coutinho creative player that can just crank some creativity.
When we had coutinho and Suarez, we lacked a defence.

Now we have a strong foundation, but yeh, lack that plan b when teams stack their defence or when our front 4 (welcome Jota) struggle to fire.

Salah misfired a lot last season. Wasn’t very reliable, yet still scored a tonne. But a creative player would really help us adapt in those tough gritty games.

I think there were hopes Thiago could do that, but I don’t think he’s that player. He’s the pull the strings, play the balls, change tempo player.

[Retro Jet]

9:30pm ko people.
Enjoy it because barring time/date changes, inc Norwich, I counted 25 of the
38 games ko between 1am - 2:30am.
I've never looked at a whole season's times before but there were quite a few pallitable 11 & 12am
KO's I spent with other Reds at Pests New Lambton last season.

Just before this season...and the latest lockdown, there was an email to OLSC N'cle members about a suprise new venue for the Stupid O'Clock games - and it wasn't Wests or Queens Wharf Hotel apparently.
It wasn't going to p!ss on Julian's picnick for the 4:30am (or later) Ka-fey morning gigs either.
Anyone have a clue as to where it is?

Anyhoo... up the Reds!

Sean Dyche - he looks like he should have been cast in Lock, Stock and 2 smoking barrels...

[boz-monaut]

it's like this every season

Liverpool prefer the Sunday afternoon timeslot - prioritising local fans over international fans, which is fair enough

[Retro Jet]

it's like this every season

Liverpool prefer the Sunday afternoon timeslot - prioritising local fans over international fans, which is fair enough

Naawww... I was gonna write to them too and request they alter their preference :grin:
Seriously, I've never understood the Sunday thing...unless a significant majority of your fans are involved with playing or organising their community games which must be on a Saturday?

Even thought there were some ok moments from the midfield today, it still felt a bit stuck.
Great assist from Tsimikas for the 1st. I said to another mate tonight that I think Tsimikas brings something different to the LB role.
Not necessarily better or worse than Robbo either. He showed some great tenacity there towards the end too.
Good that Gomez got on the field, albeit a token gesture

[Bremsstrahlung]

Thought Alison was great. Some great saves, beaten once albeit from offside shot, but commanded his area and was decisive with his actions. Made some good saves too. He’s been a top acquisition.

FMD, watching Matip is like watching a giraffe trip over the ball. He is so awkwardly majestic. He does well, I just don’t expect it.
VVD is immense and probably playing at 60% but still looks better than our defence last season. Few errors.

Agree with Tsimikas, he had a reasonable game. Will be good backup for Robertson when our schedule gets busy or to rotate them through.

Thought young Harvey Elliot did well for a debut. Gave it away cheaply a few time in defence but shows some promise in attack. His ball for the Salah disallowed goal was superb. Some other good balls through. Maybe unsettled he was being hacked, but if we can get him some game time and confidence he could give Jones a bit of a battle for the young person midfield role.


Is Jota our starter now? Or is Bobby being eased back after Brazil duties. Interesting to see how it pans out in a few weeks when Jota doesn’t score for a few games.

Henderson a welcome addition. I really like the energy and drive he brings. Maybe not the best footballer, but he’s a good captain and takes responsibility during the game.

Keita has some good moments. But I just don’t know that he’s the type of player we wanted and need. Wouldn’t surprise me if we are shop windowing him on the sly.

They said it again last night, 19 CB pairings last season. Wow.

[StannyCFCJET]

Lukaku vs VVD next week, very tasty

[cobra23]

Lukaku vs VVD next week, very tasty

Yeah for VVD , Lukaku is shit.

cmon reds

[StannyCFCJET]

How much did your club pay that clown Taylor

[Jeterpool]

He handled the ball on the line. It was touch and go and the red was harsh.

Chelsea players wouldn't leave his side for 10 minutes moaning about it, hopefully they asked what the going rate is.

Regardless, that was a good match. Taking a point from Anfield - I'd be happy if it was the other way at Stamford Bridge

[Bremsstrahlung]

How much did your club pay that clown Taylor

Love your fire Stanny. See your frustration, but take the point.

Few things to consider:
1. What happened to that “interpretation” where if a defender controls the ball and then it makes contact with arm it’s not handball? Was that a one year wonder?
2. Taylor looked like he just looked at a few frames and stopped on the one where it contacts the hand. See above.

James sets himself in a manner that makes his body bigger, but your arms out makes you vulnerable (that’s why you see defenders defend with their arms behind their back), it strikes his leg, but his arm stops the ball and changes it’s direction. So I think that’s why the penalty is given, when his arm prevents the ball crossing the line, it’s a bit hard to claim anything. Then the red just follows as it’s a handball that denies a goal. Not sure the referee has scope to give a yellow, like he could if there’s a legit tackle attempt that results in a penalty (Eg not punishing with a red and a goal). Think his hands are tied once he gives the penalty, needs to go.


Overall, Stanny, I’d be taking that draw given the context. If it wasn’t for Mendy you’d have lost that game. We didn’t look like losing that game at 1-1.
Havertz header was a good Goal , (not sure 100% intentional).
Besides that, I think we handled Lukaku threat well. Always had somebody blocking his shots. Matip did well. And besides trying to find lukaku, Chelsea didn’t offer much in attack.

[Jeterpool]

Good balanced summary

[StannyCFCJET]

He is a clown. Fabinho and Salah should've both been on yellows before that. And he doesn't even look at the VAR. Walks over looks at one frame and walks back. I thought double punishment for pens was gone. I mean it comes off his thigh ffs.

Ruined the game cause we were carving you up on the counter and was only a matter of time before we scored again. I'll the point though

[Jetmaster]

As a neutral - penalty, but red was a bit much. That said, why are these overpaid prima donnas allowed to surround the ref for minutes afterwards? Thickwits can't understand he won't change his mind.
A red or two there would have been a fair call.

[StannyCFCJET]

As a neutral - penalty, but red was a bit much. That said, why are these overpaid prima donnas allowed to surround the ref for minutes afterwards? Thickwits can't understand he won't change his mind.
A red or two there would have been a fair call.

Weve had terrible history with Taylor, He's the geezer who sent of Kovacic in the FA Cup final for a second yellow after he got fouled and his 1st yellow wasnt a yellow. He's generally just a terrible ref. Best league in the world but worst refereeing. Amazing

[Bremsstrahlung]

He is a clown. Fabinho and Salah should've both been on yellows before that. And he doesn't even look at the VAR. Walks over looks at one frame and walks back. I thought double punishment for pens was gone. I mean it comes off his thigh ffs.

Ruined the game cause we were carving you up on the counter and was only a matter of time before we scored again. I'll the point though

Geez you make it tough to try and be balanced and neutral.

It hits his thigh, yes, but it also hits his arm. The arm isn’t behind his back, he’s making himself bigger and his arm stops it from being a goal. It is a red card offence to prevent a goal with a handball offence. He had no choice. Once he gives a handball, it needs to be a red.
Double punishment only applies if the defender makes a valid attempt to play the ball, and fouls the opponent.


Old mate mount could’ve had a yellow for his poor dive attempt, as well as azpi at the end there.
Not really sure you were “carving us up” or a being a “matter of time”. Was a very lucky goal imo. And we looked the more likely imo.
Lukaku was well restricted and that was basically the only avenue of attack.

[Premy]

In my opinion Mendy could have also been sent off. If he connects with Hendo after the penalty he could have ended Hendo season.
Very lucky for both players.

[Frodo]

Firstly, I hope the reports are true that Harvey Elliott has a dislocation and not a break. As I've had to watch too many young talented players careers ruined by leg breaks at Arsenal and would never wish it on anyone.

[Frodo]

Secondly, to bring the discussion about why Liverpool should still be favourites with City for the title, into the correct thread.

Am I correct in that the only key players gone from the title winning season are Wijnaldum and Lovren? And in their place you've signed 2 decent quality backup CBs, a good backup LB, Thiago and you've also got Jota as well? If the Ox can stay fit he almost counts as a new signing as well.


I know Chelsea are stacked, but they still have issues and an inconsistent Kante could be their downfall.

United have added Ronaldo and Varane, but they still haven't truly fixed the 9 position and have weak backup CBs. They will be better than last season, but I'm not confident they can be at their best for a full season.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Yeh, I think he’d be incredibly lucky to escape that without any fractures. Isolated dislocation is incredibly rare because there’s so many strong ligaments, the weakest point is often the bone. Relocating it ASAP helps preserve nerves and any ligaments that were not damaged. But yeh, daresay he will have some metal put in, wishing him a speedy recovery. He’s definitely been one of our most dangerous looking players and just needed to work on that final moment whether it be a pass or shot.


Yeh, look, part of me didn’t want to upset Stanny’s high in his Chelsea thread no less.
I think we are defs in the conversation for top 4.
VVD back is a massive boost. Matip, Konate and Gomez will be vital to keep our defence solid. Which was a real weak spot last season.
And yeh Thiago for wijnaldum.
We were lucky the year we won it, VVD played every game, our front 3 rarely misfired at the same time and everything fell into place.
Jota is the potential spark now with Elliot out for a while.

I think City still have to be favourites.
I just think having that clinical striker that scores More often than not makes a huge difference.
We have the same issue that we have had since coutinho. We struggle when teams sit back and defend us. We lack a midfielder who can change the game in an attacking sense, drive through, score a goal from distance, something that coutinho could do or Gerrard.
I think that’s the only element missing in our best 11.
We rely too heavily on our front 3. We have set pieces back with VVD and Matip fit.

I’m not gonna say I think we will win it, cause I don’t think we will.
We will be around the mark though.

I think Tuchel is a very competent manager. I’d be interested to see their record since he took over.

[StannyCFCJET]

Secondly, to bring the discussion about why Liverpool should still be favourites with City for the title, into the correct thread.

Am I correct in that the only key players gone from the title winning season are Wijnaldum and Lovren? And in their place you've signed 2 decent quality backup CBs, a good backup LB, Thiago and you've also got Jota as well? If the Ox can stay fit he almost counts as a new signing as well.


I know Chelsea are stacked, but they still have issues and an inconsistent Kante could be their downfall.

United have added Ronaldo and Varane, but they still haven't truly fixed the 9 position and have weak backup CBs. They will be better than last season, but I'm not confident they can be at their best for a full season.

What issues do we have ?? Only ones I see are Kante and Pulisic can't stay fit

[Bremsstrahlung]

What issues do we have ?? Only ones I see are Kante and Pulisic can't stay fit

I think under Tuchel you guys have been very solid. On paper, I think defensively is the weakest area, but in practice your defence is pretty solid.
Maybe depth, if Lukaku stops scoring, your only real striker is Werner who is very capable, but not quite getting the results. Unless you’re throwing havertz, pulisic or Ziyech up top.

That’s most teams though, lose your top striker and you have some issues.

[Retro Jet]

...
I just think having that clinical striker that scores More often than not makes a huge difference.



Mane had more misses that King Henry the 8th! Good he finally put one in but really, 2 or 3 was on the cards for his number of chances.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Boy, we certainly struggled with crosses today.
Jota could be in double figures if he finishes better.

[Retro Jet]

Boy, we certainly struggled with crosses today.
Jota could be in double figures if he finishes better.

I know Robbo had a better game than Brentford v Porto but Tsimikas seems to create a lot of chances AND I like his corner delivery.
It will be hard for him barring injury to displace the Scotsman but I certainly look forward to his game whenever he's in the starting 11.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Excellent second half.
Draw probably a fair result.
Salah showed his class. Wow. If he keeps this up, we will do well. He certainly has a point to prove.
Playing for a new contract. Curious what we do with him. Sell him and make money. Or keep him, ruin the wage structure (VVD will be in there tomorrow, Mane will be too), essentially lose his value and hopefully challenge for some titles. I’m not sure Barca or Madrid would be that keen on him tbh. Think his only real shot to make super money is to go to PSG when they lose mbappe/Neymar or Messi probably at the end of the year. Can’t see la liga clubs spending big on him.

De Bruyne lucky with his goal. Very lucky. But they probably should have had Milner sent off twice so I guess the luck evens out.
If you’re a neutral watch the second half haha.

Love the battles with city over the last few years. Both teams happy to play their own style and go toe to toe.

[Retro Jet]

Excellent second half.
Draw probably a fair result.
Salah showed his class. Wow. If he keeps this up, we will do well. He certainly has a point to prove.
Playing for a new contract. Curious what we do with him. Sell him and make money. Or keep him, ruin the wage structure (VVD will be in there tomorrow, Mane will be too), essentially lose his value and hopefully challenge for some titles. I’m not sure Barca or Madrid would be that keen on him tbh. Think his only real shot to make super money is to go to PSG when they lose mbappe/Neymar or Messi probably at the end of the year. Can’t see la liga clubs spending big on him.

De Bruyne lucky with his goal. Very lucky. But they probably should have had Milner sent off twice so I guess the luck evens out.
If you’re a neutral watch the second half haha.

Love the battles with city over the last few years. Both teams happy to play their own style and go toe to toe.

Nice words for Mo Brem. I hope we can keep him.

I've watched KDB's goal from in front and from behind. It looks like Ali had it covered :(
Poor Joel. If it hit his knee and went over, he'd be a hero. His body positioning was all wrong, coming at the ball on an angle like that.
These things are split second.

I was worried about Millie at RB when I saw he was in the starting lineup but I wasn't surprised either.
The 1/2 time stat was 44% down their LHS and 39% on the right. I thought it would have been a lot more than that on the left actually.

For what he's worth, I didn't hear Grealisch's name called much throughout the game. pwned by Robbo.

You all know I like to blow the Tsimikas trumpet but there's a proven replacement for Robbo now, even with limited game time Kostas has had.
It's obvious now we need a suitable replacement for TAA when the occasion arises.
Didn't Gomez use to be a RB? A scouser mate of mine reckons Klopp won't pick him or anyone for the position who doesn't have passing range.
Yes, I know he came on for Milner there but he wasn't a younger option starter.


It's a bit nutso from Watford 16/10 to West Ham 8/11 with Atletico twice with a ManUre in the middle of them.
I expect the B team v Preston (28/10) at least.

[StannyCFCJET]

I think you have to risk it and give Salah what ever salary he wants, On form he is close to the best player in the world and seems to be able to do anything. Makes me annoyed we let him go but he was generally rubbish for us so we wernt gonna keep him around to sit on the sidelines

[Bremsstrahlung]

Nice words for Mo Brem. I hope we can keep him.

I've watched KDB's goal from in front and from behind. It looks like Ali had it covered :(
Poor Joel. If it hit his knee and went over, he'd be a hero. His body positioning was all wrong, coming at the ball on an angle like that.
These things are split second.

I was worried about Millie at RB when I saw he was in the starting lineup but I wasn't surprised either.
The 1/2 time stat was 44% down their LHS and 39% on the right. I thought it would have been a lot more than that on the left actually.

For what he's worth, I didn't hear Grealisch's name called much throughout the game. pwned by Robbo.

You all know I like to blow the Tsimikas trumpet but there's a proven replacement for Robbo now, even with limited game time Kostas has had.
It's obvious now we need a suitable replacement for TAA when the occasion arises.
Didn't Gomez use to be a RB? A scouser mate of mine reckons Klopp won't pick him or anyone for the position who doesn't have passing range.
Yes, I know he came on for Milner there but he wasn't a younger option starter.


It's a bit nutso from Watford 16/10 to West Ham 8/11 with Atletico twice with a ManUre in the middle of them.
I expect the B team v Preston (28/10) at least.

I think Alison defs had it covered as well. To at least block it. But agree, I’d be a bit pissed if the closest defender didn’t throw himself at the ball to make a stop and Alison wasn’t able to get there.
At that point it felt like 2 points lost. Thought we could’ve gone on to get another. Draw seems fair though.

Is Neco Williams still injured? Wouldn’t be surprised if he gets some games under his belt, maybe not the city, United, Chelsea games, but some games. I’ve read similar re: Gomez, think he was a RB or at least played there a bit, but he doesn’t have that natural instinct to get forward like klopp wants out of his fullbacks.

I really hope Thiago starts bossing it soon. Our midfield seems very lacklustre. Guess it’s more the engine room when you have a solid defence, attacking fullbacks and a front 3 like we do.

Foden’s finish was pretty great too. He’s done very well to rise at City. Weak foot, driven into the only space that was available. Clinical.


And Stanny, I think I agree. If he ideally wants to stay. I’d be happy with a bit of an upgrade for the next few years, then if he’s long term, maybe some incentive based stuff so if he’s not performing he doesn’t command those wages.
I read somewhere that his agent or whoever basically said even if we pay him like KDB salary for the next 3 years, that’s probably what he has been worth these last 3 seasons (agree), and what we paid him the last 3 years is what we get out of him for the next 3 or so. Which was an interesting way to look at it.
Unless we are planning an Mbappe move, we should probably tie him up for 3 years, then we can at least sell him if we want.

[redwah]

I think you have to risk it and give Salah what ever salary he wants, On form he is close to the best player in the world and seems to be able to do anything. Makes me annoyed we let him go but he was generally rubbish for us so we wernt gonna keep him around to sit on the sidelines


Left his upgrade to last and he’s putting performances up to earn the highest wage…they’ll probably go 350K a week…way high for us but nothing compared to psg etc

[Retro Jet]

Left his upgrade to last and he’s putting performances up to earn the highest wage…they’ll probably go 350K a week…way high for us but nothing compared to psg etc

He just strengthened his case with that performance. That assist for the 1st...
Not to mention another classic Mo goal.
Rose totally pwned this game. Jim Beglin 'weighed in' with his opinion as to why. :rof:

[Bremsstrahlung]

Griezman doing his best Roy impersonation

[Retro Jet]

"3 dirty points" as Klopp said it in his presser. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvTMN82km-8) Wonder if Diego Saltione showed up for his?
Or maybe he just kept running down the tunnel and on his way to Eng-a-lund so he makes the Anfield game in time on foot.

Naby lads volley. Phhooorr.

RedmenTV this morning.
(just click on the YouTube link)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qqSBdCIzUA

Go to 6'40" when Chris starts doing the player rating for Trent.

:brrr:

Hook, line and sinker :rof:

[Retro Jet]

Is this Ole's last stand?

Takin' the p!ss now. Empty seats.
One for the ages.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Surely he ain’t got long left. The footage of people leaving the ground after Pogba, after 60 minutes.
Haven’t seen any replays but I thought Fernandes challenge was almost as bad as Pogba. Anyway, enough about them.

Bossed it.
Konate looked a little out of his depth. But hopefully some more game time and he will get match ready. Few turnovers and thought he was a bit slow for the Ronaldo goal..
Mo Salah. FMD. He is playing out of his skin.
Hendersons ball was class. Mo did that the other week and only got 70% of the praise Messi would get. I reckon Henderson got 50% of that.
Can’t wait til TAA scores a Worldly. I swear he must make the highlights reel of every keeper saving one of his shots.
How anybody understands what Robertson says is beyond me.

The best bit. Cameras panned from Ole, to a miserable SAF shaking his head, to Dalglish laughing.
Good day to be a pool supporter.

[Jeterpool]

Salah became the first opposition player to score a premier league hat-trick at old trafford.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Least we either lock down a brilliant player or get a hefty transfer fee at the end of the season.
Hope he stays. He’s probably at his peak for another 2 seasons imo.
Also understand if we sell him, just hope we have replacements lined up.

[Retro Jet]

Well, at least Preston gave us a game.
Taki with a good first touch.
Divock Origi - can the man not be involved with a goal that borders on the bizarre or freakish?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Wow.
From every angle I’ve seen it’s a harsh red.
Feel like we see those challenges all the time, and usually a yellow, sometimes they get away with such a challenge.
Curious if it is because he never played the ball. He was beat, and he kicked out at the trailing foot with his studs. Perhaps usually those types of challenges are ball or all (player).

Pundits made a case that the ref was happy to give a yellow but got the shits with the player ignoring him.

[boz-monaut]

apparently UEFA have said it was a straight red and the dissent had nothing to do with it

[Retro Jet]

I was puzzled at first glance too. Watching replays, with Mane gone and maybe the 'shits' factor in there too, it bordered on SFP to begin with but that ref is quirky.

Game bossed.
If we tank the Porto game, Porto just needs a draw v Atletico on Dec 8th to go 2nd.
The Group of Death would suddenly become the Group of Mirth. Much mirth.:rof:
Porto is doing 'ok' in their league atm, just quietly.

[Bon]

How was Thiago's goal this morning!

Still can't work out if it bounced, or swerved up?? Was a magic hit..

[Retro Jet]

How was Thiago's goal this morning!

Still can't work out if it bounced, or swerved up?? Was a magic hit..

This one says the best view...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBtudOO5lXg

[Retro Jet]

Now, THIS one is the best view IMHO. 1:22


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsllpd7yw6A

Jason McAteer: Tekkers... :rof:

[Retro Jet]

This Post-match interview with Thiago and Ox is funny.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3P0FhE7o5Y

Ox's reaction: "Whaaat? That's alright for some...innit, hey?"

[Retro Jet]

Divock Origi. Only him...
The Liverpool enigma strikes again!

[Bremsstrahlung]

Thiago Newcastle’s best atm.
Controversial equaliser.
Henderson being a little whinger this game. I don’t mind it when he tries to lift the standard. But he’s battling with Thiago for most turnovers this game and in no position to be blasting other players this match.

[Retro Jet]

Scuppered by covid n a fat fk in the middle.
Did OK with the old and young boy in midfield all things considered. Thought Ox would have been a better starting option that Morton. The kid has vision. One to watch.

How did Kane stay on after that hit on Robbo?
The Jota forearm shove - was that even looked at?
Dumb from Robbo in the end but the nobs at Stockley Pk are probably already on the Christmas Cheer after that effort.

Tierney was dolling out the cards with abandon but forgot to give himself 2 x yellows.

[Bremsstrahlung]

I’m not against Robbo getting a red for that. But I feel like Kanes lunge at robbo was more out of control.

Maybe the malice was factored in. Looks like robbo loads up to kick 7 shades of shit out of whatever he gets his boot on. But spurs guy protects the ball and moves his leg over as robbo is swinging. And contact is made, so not much complaint from me.

Kane slides in, studs up, collects robbo above the ankle, gets a yellow.
Slow that down and freeze on the contact point and how is that not a red too?

Things aside, how is Kane beating our defenders for pace. We looked so slow today.

I’ll take a draw v spurs. Could’ve gone either way though. Could’ve been flogged and could’be taken a very early lead.

Allison does well for 9/10 saves then does that.
He’s prone to 1 or 2 a year. 3 pts behind city at Xmas. Not bad. Especially considering UCL dominance and with a different midfield combo every week.

Jota is almost beating a fully fit Firmino to that starting role isn’t he.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Tuned in at 3-1 down.
Glad I did. Mickey Mouse Cup, but boy, that atmosphere sounded amazing.

Always have a little chuckle to myself when teams start time wasting, and it bites them.

[Jeterpool]

I tuned in a 3-2.

Mixed emotions about progressing but the players really looked excited so they see value in it.

[Retro Jet]

I watched it from woe to go.
Gave them 2 goals start...twice and the kids got the job done.
Ahem...yes, we had to send in the calvary.
Shame Minamino couldn't complete the fairytale ending for himself but it added to the spectacle.


How many of those Leicester players won't be playing next week?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Good outcome if we plan to use it to get some fitness and/or form into our players.
Was a good squad put out I thought for the game. Henderson, ox, minamino etc. good to get them some minutes. Will do minamino a world of good either in confidence or add another 1M onto his price. Same with Kelleher, good for him.

I’m interested to see how Firmino bounces back. He’s never been under any real threat at any point throughout his time at Liverpool. Even when he wasn’t scoring, he was still getting a lot of praise for his link up work.
But now Jota is scoring a heap, I’m curious what our best front 3 looks like.
I think they both offer different things, but in terms of pecking order, 4th pick Jota is creeping up to number 3….

[Bremsstrahlung]

Congrats to city.

[Retro Jet]

Pfft. Salah playing according to the status of that contract.
Mane missing in more ways than one.
Too much Christmas pudding?
Play the kids ffs!

[boz-monaut]

Congrats to city.

yep, just handed them the title

well done to the good ruling class of the United Arab Emirates and their vast petrochemical wealth

[StannyCFCJET]

Great game but Anthony Taylor bottles it again. Mane should've seen red

[Bremsstrahlung]

Cracking first half. Only winner was City.

Think Mane was saved by his eyes on the ball. He must’ve taken a realllll early look, but his eyes don’t deviate from the ball. I think if he looks at azpi, it’s a red.

Think Mount was also in a bit of danger. I think it’s Jota blocks the camera angle (and the blue rose coloured glasses) of the contact from mount on tsimikas but I daresay it looks like he’s gone forearm into face of tsimikas as well. Not to mention the little afters on the ground.

Mendy and kelleher were excellent imo. Mendy made some brilliant saves. Kelleher also kept us in it especially vs pulisic. Kovacic goal was a good example of placement over power.

Henderson, Milner and Fabinho would have to be the least creative midfield in the league imo.

[StannyCFCJET]

Cracking first half. Only winner was City.

Think Mane was saved by his eyes on the ball. He must’ve taken a realllll early look, but his eyes don’t deviate from the ball. I think if he looks at azpi, it’s a red.

Think Mount was also in a bit of danger. I think it’s Jota blocks the camera angle (and the blue rose coloured glasses) of the contact from mount on tsimikas but I daresay it looks like he’s gone forearm into face of tsimikas as well. Not to mention the little afters on the ground.

Mendy and kelleher were excellent imo. Mendy made some brilliant saves. Kelleher also kept us in it especially vs pulisic. Kovacic goal was a good example of placement over power.

Henderson, Milner and Fabinho would have to be the least creative midfield in the league imo.

I rate Fabinho but the other two are past it at a top level, Kante and Kova were running rings around them. But god your soo lucky to have Salah, What a player

[Jetmaster]

As a neutral I have to laugh at Chelski's business model.

They had Lukaku, De Breuyne and Salah in their silo, all got loaned out and all including Lukaku last week have come back to bite them.

[StannyCFCJET]

As a neutral I have to laugh at Chelski's business model.

They had Lukaku, De Breuyne and Salah in their silo, all got loaned out and all including Lukaku last week have come back to bite them.

Also won two European trophies, two EPLs, one league cup and one FA cup since then, Not a bad model

[fozphantom]

and all that cost?

[StannyCFCJET]

and all that cost?

Not my money who cares

[Bremsstrahlung]

Idk. Each to their own.
Can’t argue with Stanny’s list of accomplishments. But it’s still funny to hear comments about how lucky we are to have Salah or city to have De Bruyne etc. But that’s bound to happen in todays climate.

I give a guy at work some grief for “supporting” city, how boring it must be to just win every game.
Part in jest, part serious.
Winning the UCL and League and our general performance for the Klopp era has been an absolute pleasure to watch and wake up at ungodly hours to take in. I wonder if that’s because we had to deal with the 20 odd years of no league title, and some pretty poor seasons as a benchmark.
People give me grief for following Liverpool. As long as I started following them and watching matches, they didn’t win a thing and were a mid table club that lucked out with Owen, Torres, Suarez, Coutinho. But those bad times and heartbreak of the slip make it much sweeter.

Same as the Leicester fans who got to witness something they never thought possible. They’ll remember that forever.




But it’s interesting and got me thinking if there’s many players that we have sold or that left, who went on to bigger and better things.
I’d argue Suarez, Sterling and maybe Wijnaldum, Alonso, and Can are the only ones who we have had in our squad and let go. The rest Eg torres, Sturridge etc all went downhill

[StannyCFCJET]

What the hell is going on with covid at LFC? 13 false positives for covid? Something shifty going on to play as little games as a possible without Salah

[Bon]

What the hell is going on with covid at LFC? 13 false positives for covid? Something shifty going on to play as little games as a possible without Salah

Frodo will be in to join you on this convo any second now..
He's been barraging me with "cheat" allegations all morning.. haha

[StannyCFCJET]

Frodo will be in to join you on this convo any second now..
He's been barraging me with "cheat" allegations all morning.. haha

Even the most passionte liverpool fans can't deny its a bit shifty, EPL will investigate if their serious and we will see what happens

[Bon]

Even the most passionte liverpool fans can't deny its a bit shifty, EPL will investigate if their serious and we will see what happens

You just focus on your own team, Stanny my mate..
Leave the Liverpool disappointments to us fans..

[Bremsstrahlung]

Lol.
I can’t imagine the EPL (or other salty clubs lodging disputes) not asking to see proof of the positive tests.
But you know, maybe they are compromising a doctor to falsify information.

Don’t know that we would be too fussed with a carabao cup game tbh.
We’d at least try and do it in a EPL game that maybe had some bearing.

[Retro Jet]

The blokes at RedmenTV nailed it when they said it didn't pose any advantage at the time. Same amount of games had to be played in the AFCON time frame and we actually lost that 2nd leg home advantage in the Cup.

Sad to see the end of Benitez at the Ev.
Does this mean the end if Farley's 'Agent Rafa'?
I've looked forward to his clips with every disastrous result.
Did anyone catch the Rafa chant from the Kop this morning? :lol:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E7BCDff3ksU

[Jeterpool]

The blokes at RedmenTV nailed it when they said it didn't pose any advantage at the time. Same amount of games had to be played in the AFCON time frame and we actually lost that 2nd leg home advantage in the Cup.

Sad to see the end of Benitez at the Ev.
Does this mean the end if Farley's 'Agent Rafa'?
I've looked forward to his clips with every disastrous result.
Did anyone catch the Rafa chant from the Kop this morning? :lol:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E7BCDff3ksU

Rooney will be a good choice for Everton...has experience in the championship.

[Jetmaster]

Rooney will be a good choice for Everton...has experience in the championship.

So did Lampard....at the same club too.

[Bremsstrahlung]

There was something wholesome about seeing Coutinho back on the EPL and with Gerrard no less.
Especially scoring the equaliser at Old Trafford,

[Retro Jet]

There was something wholesome about seeing Coutinho back on the EPL and with Gerrard no less.
Especially scoring the equaliser at Old Trafford,

Still our Agent when the right time comes.

[Retro Jet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_SpODfOAlM

This game has comedy gold written all over it.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Lampard to Everton haha.

[Retro Jet]

Lampard to Everton haha.

That(Agent Lamps) and txf deadline shiz.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9F9mHFWlx4

[Retro Jet]

Mo you little dancer. Thought he'd fkd that one.
Why do we have to things the hard way?

[Retro Jet]

And that's sublime from Diaz. Welcome to the Reds son. Kop end and all!

[Bremsstrahlung]

Coys

[Bremsstrahlung]

One of the better games I’ve watched for some time. Regardless of how this ends.
Both teams attacking.
Joy to watch.

Keita perhaps a little lucky to be still on. 50/50 we see them reds when they “freeze frame” the contact.

[Bremsstrahlung]

You’d be a very very stressed person if you had money on 0-0.

What a game.
Both teams have had their share of domination.
keepers have been excellent. Kovacic excellent.
Lukaku unlucky. End to end.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Phwoar.
Best match I’ve watched in a long long time.
Both teams played brilliant attacking football. Shame somebody had to lose that.

[Retro Jet]

The hearts were pumping at Ka-fey this morning.
What.a.game.

Keppa took the best goal kick of the match!
Inspired substitution.

[boz-monaut]

Klopp pre-game - “If it works out, then it’s all about CaoimhÃ*n. If it doesn’t work out, then it’s all about me.”

absolute class

[StannyCFCJET]

Lukaku offside my ass. What an awful call which luckily didn't ruin a great game. We were slightly the better team on chances but fair play to Liverpool we didn't take our chances and they got the shoot out luck

[Bon]

Lukaku offside my ass. What an awful call which luckily didn't ruin a great game. We were slightly the better team on chances but fair play to Liverpool we didn't take our chances and they got the shoot out luck

I've been waiting to hear your assessment on the game, Stanny.
I am yet to watch it, but you didn't disappoint.. :gent:

[StannyCFCJET]

I've been waiting to hear your assessment on the game, Stanny.
I am yet to watch it, but you didn't disappoint.. :gent:

When you watch it tell me what you think of the offside call. And when you see our misses you will scratch your head like I did

[Bon]

When you watch it tell me what you think of the offside call. And when you see our misses you will scratch your head like I did

Don't want to mention our offside goal in the convo too?

[StannyCFCJET]

Don't want to mention our offside goal in the convo too?

Where Van Djik impedes James? Our how about the non red card from Keita

[Bremsstrahlung]

So conflicted with offside and VAR.
part of me wants a refs call type thing, where the lines are thicker/greater margin of error. To minimise these mm calls.
The other side, offside is reasonably objective, and with the money and technology these clubs and leagues have, you have to trust that their technology is accurate and the people doing the callipers are doing so to the law. Eg where they put the marker on Lukaku.
I mean that and if a ball crosses the line are some of the only objective aspects of the game. We’ve had our fair share of mm calls go against us, and for us, over the years. If it’s off, it’s off.


I’m curious if VVD gets called if he is either onside or doesn’t commit the ‘foul’. For me, it’s the fact he’s both that they’ve hedged their bets. If that’s a foul, so is every corner one way or another. If he’s judged to be offside and legally impacts James, I can deal with that.

And I agree, Keita was 50/50. Can’t argue with a red there. We see it all the time. Saw it at Euros. I think common sense prevailed though with the decision. Neither team seemed too bothered by the decision imo.

Both teams created the whole game. Mount should’ve had a brace and trophy in the bag. mendy was superb. Both teams dominated periods of play.
Again, one of the better games I’ve seen in a while. And I’d say that if Chelsea won too.

[StannyCFCJET]

So conflicted with offside and VAR.
part of me wants a refs call type thing, where the lines are thicker/greater margin of error. To minimise these mm calls.
The other side, offside is reasonably objective, and with the money and technology these clubs and leagues have, you have to trust that their technology is accurate and the people doing the callipers are doing so to the law. Eg where they put the marker on Lukaku.
I mean that and if a ball crosses the line are some of the only objective aspects of the game. We’ve had our fair share of mm calls go against us, and for us, over the years. If it’s off, it’s off.


I’m curious if VVD gets called if he is either onside or doesn’t commit the ‘foul’. For me, it’s the fact he’s both that they’ve hedged their bets. If that’s a foul, so is every corner one way or another. If he’s judged to be offside and legally impacts James, I can deal with that.

And I agree, Keita was 50/50. Can’t argue with a red there. We see it all the time. Saw it at Euros. I think common sense prevailed though with the decision. Neither team seemed too bothered by the decision imo.

Both teams created the whole game. Mount should’ve had a brace and trophy in the bag. mendy was superb. Both teams dominated periods of play.
Again, one of the better games I’ve seen in a while. And I’d say that if Chelsea won too.

Agree with everything. Mounts second miss was disgusting

[Bremsstrahlung]

Loving what Diaz brings to this team. Instant impact. Such good recruitment being able to bring in a relatively untested player and have him fit in like he has done.
Our front stocks suddenly look well equipped with Salah, Mane, Jota, Diaz offering similar games. Firmino and Origi can offer something different. And Minamino playing his part.


Just midfield that we could do with some flexibility/creativity when things aren’t working.

[Retro Jet]

Agent Lallana
1 sub down, 2 to go. :thumbsup:

[Retro Jet]

Loving what Diaz brings to this team. Instant impact. Such good recruitment being able to bring in a relatively untested player and have him fit in like he has done.
Our front stocks suddenly look well equipped with Salah, Mane, Jota, Diaz offering similar games. Firmino and Origi can offer something different. And Minamino playing his part.


Just midfield that we could do with some flexibility/creativity when things aren’t working.

He got the ball rolling tonight with a brave header.
Thoughts on Sanchez? I've seen 'em sent for that...or less.

[Bremsstrahlung]

He got the ball rolling tonight with a brave header.
Thoughts on Sanchez? I've seen 'em sent for that...or less.

I’m trying to figure out what went on here.
The options are a) no foul. Which I don’t get. If Sanchez gets there first, and Diaz comes through like that, he’s off surely.

B) some twisted interpretation of the double jeopardy rules. I’m assuming the ref didn’t issue a yellow card even?! So he’s collected the player, foul and punishment. But as it’s a “legitimate attempt at playing the ball/making a save” he can’t be pen and red card. So pen is the decision. Okay advantage…. Goal. No need for pen. I can’t even follow this logic. But surely if the shot goes wide, he’s sent off and/or pen.

No idea how it’s not a yellow though.

[Retro Jet]

Thiago and Jota weren't very effective for a large part of the game before BOOM, that pass from one to the other for the opener.

There's a camera angle from behind for Bobby's goal: threaded through the eye of a Ramsdale needle.
You get lucky sometimes.

[Retro Jet]

Soz for the late notice Kopietes. Just found this out late this arvo.

The N'cle Hotel (opposite ISP on Maitland Rd) is showing the Watford game tonight.
I'm not sure if they're trying to promote the pub as an EPL venue in general or if it's just something OLSC Newcastle organises for LFC games only.
I'll know more after tonight.
Up the Reds!

I'm out the door now!!

[Bremsstrahlung]

City should have burried that game in the first half.
We looked terrible. But to be fair, their pressure was forcing half of those errors.

Thought TAA had a shocking first half (plays Jesus and doesn’t chase him for his goal too), and Fabinho was poor today. Mainly distribution. Lots of cheap turnovers. First half city were able to turn any 50/50 ball or intercept chance into possession. We struggled to get hold of the ball and keep it when we forced a turnover or intercept.

I think we are pretty lucky we went down very early. We played better when we conceded and were chasing the game. Second half was a big improvement. Probably unfortunate that we didn’t snatch the lead at one point.
The pace of foden, Jesus and Sterling really troubled us trying to play a high line. We easily manage to nullify a speedy winger or attacker, but 3 across the front poses us the challenge we present to most teams.

I’m torn with how to feel about the result.
A draw probably fair. They created a lot of chances, but a deflected goal and Jesus being one of about 5 city players to be onside with a recycled cross seem like lucky goals. Sterlings offside was well worked and I’d prefer to count that as a goal. We got lucky there.

Regardless, another great City V Liverpool battle. Always 2 attacking teams going head to head. I don’t think a win to us gives us the title. We still have another loss in us. It’s better this way haha.

[Jeterpool]

Thiago is an absolute baller.

[Retro Jet]

Frankly Wankey and the dark arts. :blush:
Enjoy the Championship lads!

"Just play Divock Origi and he will score" :rof:

[Jeterpool]

Luis Diaz's first touch control for the cross field pass from TAA on 63 mins was absolute filth

[Retro Jet]

Luis Diaz's first touch control for the cross field pass from TAA on 63 mins was absolute filth

:fap::fap::fap:


FA Cup final is touted at Broadmeadow Magic's function room.
OSLC Newcastle is looking for the numbers to justify Magic opening.
I saw a poster on the page saying the function would run from 7:30pm right through to 4:30am!
Big night!

Show your interest here or intention to attend.
https://fb.me/e/4XQLXQ2G7

[boz-monaut]

Klopp contact extension to 2026

Best news in years

[Bremsstrahlung]

It’s hard to fathom losing 2 games in a season, and not winning the title.
Such is the ridiculous nature of City’s performances in this Guardiola era.

Thoughts on Mane’s challenge?
Feel like I’ve seen the same contact on field players given reds, with or without VAR intervention.
Studs make contact with the knee. Maybe the perceived lack of malice or force saved him.

And Milner holds no prisoners with his challenges does he.

I keep forgetting to turn LiveScore notifications off, but I was a tad confused when I was notified Mane scored :facepalm: wonder if that admin has had a bit of a call from HR this morning.

[Retro Jet]

It’s hard to fathom losing 2 games in a season, and not winning the title.
Such is the ridiculous nature of City’s performances in this Guardiola era.

Thoughts on Mane’s challenge?
Feel like I’ve seen the same contact on field players given reds, with or without VAR intervention.
Studs make contact with the knee. Maybe the perceived lack of malice or force saved him.

And Milner holds no prisoners with his challenges does he.

I keep forgetting to turn LiveScore notifications off, but I was a tad confused when I was notified Mane scored :facepalm: wonder if that admin has had a bit of a call from HR this morning.

I often refer to Milner when he comes on later in games as 'The Enforcer'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l83fziKTxUw
(Click video link. Chucked a wobbly embedding it)

0.31"
That roll by Schär however which had the Geordies all up in arms is ****ing cringeworthy.
Maybe he rolled something in the fall but Milner definitely gets to the ball first and if anything,
Milner is the one who cops his boot in the back of his heel and Schär in his fall rolls a shin on Milner's calf.
Must be built like a delicate Swiss watch, young mate.

Thank fk Naby kept his head (My MotM) at the crucial moment because the number of times members of the front 3 had a simple square the ball option
and elected to shoot was dong my head in. Loved how the defenders parted like 'The Red sea' for Naby to score though.
It's almost comical in slo-mo.

Players rested for Villareal.

Tottenham is the next potential banana skin.
4:45am Sun 8th. Reckon that will be on at Ka-fey.
Big Jules was at the Newcastle Hotel last night.

[MFKS]

It’s hard to fathom losing 2 games in a season, and not winning the title.
Such is the ridiculous nature of City’s performances in this Guardiola era.

Thoughts on Mane’s challenge?
Feel like I’ve seen the same contact on field players given reds, with or without VAR intervention.
Studs make contact with the knee. Maybe the perceived lack of malice or force saved him.

And Milner holds no prisoners with his challenges does he.

I keep forgetting to turn LiveScore notifications off, but I was a tad confused when I was notified Mane scored :facepalm: wonder if that admin has had a bit of a call from HR this morning.

How Mane didn't get sent off for that is a disgrace
.
It was late, high ,studs up,made contact
Don't know what the ref missed with it

Malice or intent is irrelevant. That is the type of challenge that should see red every day of the week

[Retro Jet]

Doing it again...the hard way. 🤪

[Bremsstrahlung]

Where was Kepa?

Thought we bossed the opening 20-25. Unlucky not to be up.
Chelsea came back into it, and had their chances. They were unlucky not to score too. Lukaku baffles me as a footballer. He has moments you’d not associate with somebody of his physique, then also has moments where he lumbers around and doesn’t look like he’d look out of place in an Akinfenwa 11.

For the neutral there were some very end to end exciting periods. Interspersed with some very tame periods.

Penalty roulette.
Salah wishing Mane missed a few weeks ago.
Unlucky Mr Mount, not in the corner enough. mendy a few finger exercises away from stopping Firmino’s hit. Nice to see Jorginho change his hop skip routine. Looks much more convincing.

Can go either way. Enjoy this one, cause we sure as hell are gonna lose a more important pen shootout to Chelsea at some point.

[MFKS]

Liverpool gonna put in a request to the EPL overlords to bring in penalty shootouts after games

Seems about the only way they can win trophies because they don't win them by winning matches

[Bremsstrahlung]

Liverpool gonna put in a request to the EPL overlords to bring in penalty shootouts after games

Seems about the only way they can win trophies because they don't win them by winning matches

Lol

[boz-monaut]

and interesting analysis of the managers approach after the end of extra time, befire the shootout started
https://mobile.twitter.com/GeirJordet/status/1525755974346321921

[StannyCFCJET]

I'm still numb. ****ing hate pens. Was hiding behind my couch for most of em. Fair play to you guys though.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Game V spurs haunting us now.

Had a feeling City would drop some points, and we needed to be perfect for us to win.
City dropped their points, but we were not perfect.
Would’ve set up a cracking final day.
Still hope, still a chance something could happen (provided we beat Southampton).


City to go down 1-0 to a Coutinho trademark cut in, top corner within 10.
Liverpool go up 1-0 early. Kop start belting out Gerrard song, with we’re gonna win the league.

City win 6-1.

[Buddha]

Game V spurs haunting us now.

Had a feeling City would drop some points, and we needed to be perfect for us to win.
City dropped their points, but we were not perfect.
Would’ve set up a cracking final day.
Still hope, still a chance something could happen (provided we beat Southampton).


City to go down 1-0 to a Coutinho trademark cut in, top corner within 10.
Liverpool go up 1-0 early. Kop start belting out Gerrard song, with we’re gonna win the league.

City win 6-1.

Bold of you to assume we will even get a chance to attack City's goal

[Bremsstrahlung]

It seems the only fitting conclusion. Raise the hopes, only to blow them away.

[Retro Jet]

and interesting analysis of the managers approach after the end of extra time, befire the shootout started
https://mobile.twitter.com/GeirJordet/status/1525755974346321921


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_atDruS9L1M

1:25" Klopp starts talking about the penalty shootout and about the company that approached LFC.

https://neuro11.de/

[Bremsstrahlung]

City are absolute machines in the sense of how they can flick a switch and go to attack mode. 15 minutes. 0-2 down to 3-2 up.
Credit to them, exceptional season.


Boy we looked average today when we needed a boost, and the goals came when the pressure lifted.
As commentary touched on, interesting what happens if we go 2-1 up as city is 2-0 down. The boost for Villa, and the effect it may have had on City.
very tense final day morning. Unfortunately the miracle didn’t come off. But we have also had a great season. 6 wins clear of the closest challenger. 1 point behind the winner.
Still feels like a bit of a failure of an EPL season.

[MFKS]

3 finals played

Couldn't score a goal in 330 minutes of football

That's impressive

[boz-monaut]

MFKS, as another stupid boomer conspiracy nutjob used to say, two out of three ain't bad

[Bremsstrahlung]

3 finals played

Couldn't score a goal in 330 minutes of football

That's impressive

Good one

[Frodo]

First of all, I'm not taking a shot because Liverpool are 10 seasons of unlimited money away from Arsenal right now.


But I said this to Bon this morning. 3 UCL finals and zero non-penalty goals. Plus, 3 cup finals this season and zero goals outside of the shootouts.


Is this a Klopp issue or something to be concerned about? On paper Liverpool had the squad, but as a neutral I always thought Real would win that final, even with Courtois having a cracker, they simply seem more like a cup final team.

[Retro Jet]

First of all, I'm not taking a shot because Liverpool are 10 seasons of unlimited money away from Arsenal right now.


But I said this to Bon this morning. 3 UCL finals and zero non-penalty goals. Plus, 3 cup finals this season and zero goals outside of the shootouts.


Is this a Klopp issue or something to be concerned about? On paper Liverpool had the squad, but as a neutral I always thought Real would win that final, even with Courtois having a cracker, they simply seem more like a cup final team.


Origi's wasn't a pen. Mane's either.


Before the bullshit sets in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PBu_YTu9wM

[Frodo]

Origi's wasn't a pen. Mane's either.

Ahh, I must have misread that (or whoever tweeted it was as confidently incorrect as I was) and it was solely about this year's finals. Disregard then.

[Bremsstrahlung]

I think we are a step below where we need to be to win EPL and UCL.
We are a bit of a bully team. We generally have one tactic, and when teams shut that down, the longer they hold us out the more we commit forward and become susceptible.

I thought Madrid would win that match. They are a well balanced team with lots of facets to their play. They play their experience and then bring on bursts of speed later in the game who are great in their own rights.
I think our players do brilliantly throughout the season. But I kind of think what Klopp says about approaching each game as a cup final is true. Then we play actual cup finals and can’t seem to go to the next level.

Klopps time in charge, unfortunately, has coincided with Guardiolas time at city and unlimited funds. Don’t get me wrong, we spend some money, but we can’t afford 100M transfers every season. If Guardiola isn’t managing city, I think we have at least another EPL title.


Moving forward, we need to perfect a plan B. Our plan A is pretty good, and gets us 75% of our games comfortably.
It’s that other 25% that we rely on luck, or scrappy scrappy points. That needs to improve.


Enjoying the ride we are on. I fear the next 2 years will be vital when we are faced with turning over our front 3, Salah, mane and Firmino. Diaz and Jota look good, and hopefully they can step up to the plate.
5 years ago, if you said we’d win a EPL, UCL, make the UCL final 2 other times and challenge for the EPL on the final day on two occasions I’d have jumped at that, and apart from Many City or Madrid fans I think most clubs would prefer that.

[StannyCFCJET]

I think we are a step below where we need to be to win EPL and UCL.
We are a bit of a bully team. We generally have one tactic, and when teams shut that down, the longer they hold us out the more we commit forward and become susceptible.

I thought Madrid would win that match. They are a well balanced team with lots of facets to their play. They play their experience and then bring on bursts of speed later in the game who are great in their own rights.
I think our players do brilliantly throughout the season. But I kind of think what Klopp says about approaching each game as a cup final is true. Then we play actual cup finals and can’t seem to go to the next level.

Klopps time in charge, unfortunately, has coincided with Guardiolas time at city and unlimited funds. Don’t get me wrong, we spend some money, but we can’t afford 100M transfers every season. If Guardiola isn’t managing city, I think we have at least another EPL title.


Moving forward, we need to perfect a plan B. Our plan A is pretty good, and gets us 75% of our games comfortably.
It’s that other 25% that we rely on luck, or scrappy scrappy points. That needs to improve.


Enjoying the ride we are on. I fear the next 2 years will be vital when we are faced with turning over our front 3, Salah, mane and Firmino. Diaz and Jota look good, and hopefully they can step up to the plate.
5 years ago, if you said we’d win a EPL, UCL, make the UCL final 2 other times and challenge for the EPL on the final day on two occasions I’d have jumped at that, and apart from Many City or Madrid fans I think most clubs would prefer that.

That's what Pappas will be like IMO, Only ever gonna have a Plan A and when it works its great, Just gotta hope it works when it matters

[Bremsstrahlung]

So, Mane seems all but gone. 30M offer rejected. But seems like he will leave sooner rather than later.

I’m somewhat excited by the Nunez rumour. Bloke destroyed us in that QF, a few metres cost him a hat trick, but his finishing in some pretty crazy positions impressed me. Not sure he’s worth the asking price, can see Man Utd paying overs for him.


Think we really miss a genuine striker. A good finisher.
There’s a video getting around of TAA delivering perfect balls and them not being finished. Goes for almost 3 minutes. Goes to show how a clinical striker could have a field day in this squad.
(Though, there’s also a lot of goals we have no right to score, they somehow go in, so I didn’t think too much of it, but interesting watch tbh).

[Jeterpool]

I don't think it will happen, but the Harry Kane rumours don't frighten me.

[StannyCFCJET]

You guys can have Lukaku free of charge if you want

[Jeterpool]

You guys can have Lukaku free of charge if you want

:rof:

[Bremsstrahlung]

Late news but, Nunez confirmed.
If he’s anything like the last Uruguayan we had, in terms of football ability, we are in for a treat.

Granted I only remember him in that second leg, and he put fear into me every time he had the ball. Looking forward to see how he goes.