AFC Asian Cup Australia 2015 - Newcastle Hosting

[plague]

3-1. Jedinak pen won by kruse

Wrong.

Griff won it, Griff scored it.

[goaliepersempre]

Cahill off for juric

[Retro Jet]

Lets see what the Burns Unit can do at International level atm.

[Grimario]

Great save by the gypo

[goaliepersempre]

Great save by the gypo

could of caught it :gent:

[Jeterpool]

That Burns is a good player, ey

[Grimario]

That Burns is a good player, ey

Too much of an injury risk. Better sign a guy who just had a new reco

[Jeterpool]

Too much of an injury risk. Better sign a guy who just had a new reco

Yeah speed and goals are overrated

[Bremsstrahlung]

couldn't score in a brothel with a wallet full of $50s tonight.
2 brilliant chances.
If they don't go in...not much will.

[Jeterpool]

Needed that fourth to end it

[Jeterpool]

Kuwait look like they could nick a goal and get back into it.

Too much watching of the jets expecting it to inevitably happen

[Grimario]

Woooooooo

[Retro Jet]

That'll do pig, that'll do...

[Jeterpool]

Good good finish from troisi

[plague]

a) too many Gypos.
b) Josh Brilliante can't make this team.
c) I'd still rather have Harry Kewell out on the left.

Ange out.

[Grimario]

Harper must be livid! Player of the game for the guy he hates.

[Jeterpool]

Looked much better in the second half. Goes without saying

[Grimario]

What's aloisi saying there? And kossie too... Didn't deserve a three goal win? We got the bar twice and their keeper pulled out three spectacular saves.

[MFKS]

I would just like to point out that with the absence of that Alex Wilkinson bloke we look a much better side and not only that we won.

About ****ing time.

[Retro Jet]

a) too many Gypos.
b) Josh Brilliante can't make this team.
c) I'd still rather have Harry Kewell out on the left.

Ange out.


I would just like to point out that with the absence of that Alex Wilkinson bloke we look a much better side and not only that we won.

About ****ing time.

+1 on Wilkinson and yeah, a) - what plague said.

[hawk]

fk off Kossie you muppet. forwards playing safe get you bottom of the ladder as your career has proven. forwards need flair and not everything will come off.

[hawk]

a) too many Gypos.
b) Josh Brilliante can't make this team.
c) I'd still rather have Harry Kewell out on the left.


agree with Ange on B

[Grimario]

agree with Ange on B

Nah, flogs like Milligan and McKay can get called up while being not good enough or shit, the Beard should be in the squad ahead of either of them. Jimmy H before all of them though.

[Buddha]

I'm not a fan of Troisi with Luongo, essentially playing 2 AMs in the middle, but apart from Bresh who is on his last legs do we have anybody else who can play a proper CM role? (Don't say McKay or you will be moved up to the top of my kill list)

It was always gonna be obvious that nerves were gonna play a big part, but they came back well.

Who got MOTM?

[Grimario]

I'm not a fan of Troisi with Luongo, essentially playing 2 AMs in the middle, but apart from Bresh who is on his last legs do we have anybody else who can play a proper CM role? (Don't say McKay or you will be moved up to the top of my kill list)

It was always gonna be obvious that nerves were gonna play a big part, but they came back well.

Who got MOTM?

Luongo MOTM.

Antonis? We could even move Cahill back 10 years and have him play in midfield, making the late late runs into the box like he used to.

[Buddha]

Luongo MOTM.

Antonis? We could even move Cahill back 10 years and have him play in midfield, making the late late runs into the box like he used to.
Brilliant, love the little Indo.

Yeah Terry is a good shout, maybe a little bit raw for now but he will be the perfect foil in a couple of years, but by all means blood him now.

Not sold on Franjic either, I believe there are better RBs than him. Good on the attack but a bit of a liability in defence. Probably a tad biased but I'd like to see Chris Herd ahead of him.

[Grimario]

Some more stats for Harper to choke on...

‏@OptaJason
Massimo Luongo made more tackles (8) and interceptions (7) than any other player on the pitch in #AUSvKUW. Machine. #AC2015 @Socceroos

[BodyNovo]

had $20 on Aussies 4-0

****ing corner wrecks it for me

Lucky sports bet had the money back if timmy scored

Standouts imo spiranovic, luongo and jedinak

[Buddha]

had $20 on Aussies 4-0

****ing corner wrecks it for me

Lucky sports bet had the money back if timmy scored

Standouts imo spiranovic, luongo and jedinak
Agreed about the standouts, chuck Behich in there as well, had a really good game in attack and defence.

[joel31]

The defending for Kuwaits goal is terrible
And a majority of our goals wouldn't have been scored against better defences
And a majority of our chances came from Kuwait handing us the ball although the way we defended was good, we had players positioned correctly
We shouldn't get ahead of ourselves, a lot of work is to be done to beat teams like Iran, Japan and South Korea to challenge for the Cup

[WolfMan]

I'd be keen, when and what time is it again?

Sorry I didn't see this earlier, my brother has taken it off my hands.

As for your live sites query, I believe Wheeler Place was the plan (between Civic Theatre and The Clarendon) but yesterday afternoon whilst driving through Honeysuckle I noticed a massive screen set up out the front of The Dockyard.

[Buddha]

Sorry I didn't see this earlier, my brother has taken it off my hands.

As for your live sites query, I believe Wheeler Place was the plan (between Civic Theatre and The Clarendon) but yesterday afternoon whilst driving through Honeysuckle I noticed a massive screen set up out the front of The Dockyard.

All good mate, yeah I went down and watched it there. It's a good set up, much better than wheeler place imo.

[MFKS]

All good mate, yeah I went down and watched it there. It's a good set up, much better than wheeler place imo.
Whats the set up like down there??

At the fan fests at the WC you could buy piss and grub and kick back and watch the game with a pile of other sponsor shit to keep you occupied like mini fields and shoot at goal things etc like you may see at HAL games. In between games they had musicians/DJs etc going

The price of food and grub was not great price wise Brazillian standards but not as much of a rort as you find at stadiums/events in this country so you could actually attend and not be violated in the wallet.

All in all was not a bad place to watch games

Wouldn't mind dropping in and checking it out. Am I gonna be able to grab a beer or two whilst there or not??

[WolfMan]

Dare say you would have to frequent the nearby licensed establishments for a brew MFKS. No way they would approve a liquor licence in an open area like that IMHO, especially so close to businesses doing the same. They wouldn't have signed off on such a request.

[Buddha]

Whats the set up like down there??

At the fan fests at the WC you could buy piss and grub and kick back and watch the game with a pile of other sponsor shit to keep you occupied like mini fields and shoot at goal things etc like you may see at HAL games. In between games they had musicians/DJs etc going

The price of food and grub was not great price wise Brazillian standards but not as much of a rort as you find at stadiums/events in this country so you could actually attend and not be violated in the wallet.

All in all was not a bad place to watch games

Wouldn't mind dropping in and checking it out. Am I gonna be able to grab a beer or two whilst there or not??
No kick abouts or DJs or anything, it's right in front of the dockyard etc so you can go buy grub and a beer from there, if you get there early enough you'll have a good seat in front of the screen at the dockyard. Plenty of room to set up your chair and esky if you bring your own booze. Or you could do what a group of guys did and bring down your own lounge.

I'll be a frequent viewer down there, might even take a rod and bait and have a cast too.

[pv4]

I went to Wests at Lambton to watch it and that was pretty good.

[pv4]

Pv4 to blow up at ref dressed too close to Kuwait kit

You're not wrong. It was horseshit. If the ref even wore red it would have been fine last night. There was one or two times tje Socceroos were fooled by the ref colours last night.

All refs need to wear grey, I've decided.

[pv4]

I have been a spira fan seemingly my whole life. I'm deadset the happiest guy that he is a regular, and a terrific performer, for our national team.

Spira :cool:

[GazFish35]

All refs need to wear grey, I've decided.

Not if ManU were their sharp Viewcam kit.

[MFKS]

Not if ManU were their sharp Viewcam kit.

I thought the refs in Man U games already wore the Man U kit??

[WolfMan]

Hurts to give credit to a gypo, but I thought Sainsbury gave a good account of himself

[WolfMan]

Anybody heading in to Honeysuckle this afternoon/evening for the triple header?

[MFKS]

Anybody heading in to Honeysuckle this afternoon/evening for the triple header?

Am considering it.

KO for first game at 4pm???

[halo se7en]

The defending for Kuwaits goal is terrible
And a majority of our goals wouldn't have been scored against better defences
And a majority of our chances came from Kuwait handing us the ball although the way we defended was good, we had players positioned correctly
We shouldn't get ahead of ourselves, a lot of work is to be done to beat teams like Iran, Japan and South Korea to challenge for the Cup

FFS who cares? They can only play the team in front of them. Just enjoy the fact that we got to see the Socceroos score 4, at home, in a tournament that actually means something.

[hawk]

The puddle is at UZB v PRK, traitor

[lquiquer]

The puddle is at UZB v PRK, traitor

Did we get a transfer fee?

[hawk]

Did we get a transfer fee?

None, just a wet goodbye.

Saudis are hackfest carn china

[lquiquer]

so if 5% of China watching the game (late Saturday afternoon there).....it's about 65M Chinese watching (just in China)........so almost 3 times the population of Australia!!! Crazy numbers........Must cost Toshiba, emirates, Epson and the others few $$$$ to put their signs up

[joel31]

North Korea active support bigger than the squadron.

There were some confused North Korean journo's and a bloke dressed as Kim Jong-Un

[380]

Did we get a transfer fee?


The club does not discuss these things.

[hawk]

North Korea active support bigger than the squadron.

active support lol, newy hates it

UzB schooled Nth K. heads will roll

[Jeterpool]

How bad is the Qatari keeper!? Makes our two look like regular Oliver Kahns

[weston]

How bad is the Qatari keeper!? Makes our two look like regular Oliver Kahns

Absolute terrible.

Will be Stubbs next signing.

[Jeterpool]

Absolute terrible.

Will be Stubbs next signing.

Santo Sam and Ed were taking the piss on our behalf with a similar joke last night

[weston]

Santo Sam and Ed were taking the piss on our behalf with a similar joke last night

Only caught bits and pieces of it. Will have to watch it all now as I missed this.

[lquiquer]

Come on Great Chairman....... Keep your eyes open during transfer window
954

[weston]

Sideshow bob in

[plague]

Come on Great Chairman....... Keep your eyes open during transfer window
954

Yeah I'm wondering similar.
How much you think some of these blokes are on?

[lquiquer]

Yeah I'm wondering similar.
How much you think some of these blokes are on?

No idea.... but I guess a lot.....it was reported last year that Arsenal was looking at a 4M pounds (7 M A$) transfer fee for his services!!!!! ....:sigh:

[joel31]

I have a spare ticket Category 1 Concession (Bay 8) for the Japan - Palestine game tomorrow.
Its priced at $15, I'll sell it for $12
If anyones interested.

[plague]

No idea.... but I guess a lot.....it was reported last year that Arsenal was looking at a 4M pounds (7 M A$) transfer fee for his services!!!!! ....:sigh:

Not even specifically talking about that dude, but there seems to be 1000 blokes so far this weekend who play at a speed and technical level much more advanced than A-League.
I just remember Roar signing the big centre back from the Middle East a few years back and he was a star. Just seems like a part of the world we don't look close enough at.
Didn't know whether it was money related or that our talent scouts are all massive Andrew Bolt fans.

[MFKS]

Yeah I'm wondering similar.
How much you think some of these blokes are on?

I would think the gulf region players would be on pretty good money compared to HAL

Just look at how many blokes go play there and stay there.

Bresciano has to be getting good coin otherwise he would be back in Australia as a marquee in a flash

There are plenty of other Aussies who have went there when they could have stayed or got a gig in the HAL.

That says to me the money is much better

[lquiquer]

Just for you Member: @FTSAUS: "The referee was not up to the standard of the game" comment from Iran boss Carlos Queiroz

[MFKS]

Just for you Member: @FTSAUS: "The referee was not up to the standard of the game" comment from Iran boss Carlos Queiroz

The blokes not up to the standard of anything than being a first class ****.

The booking he gave the Iranian for scoring after an offside call was a disgrace. Who would have heard the whistle in that environment as the Iran support went off when they got within kooee of the goal.

The arrogance he displayed when dealing with the players to is just ****ed also. His body language is shocking even if can not speak Arabic his bodylanguage should not be as arrogant and dismissive.

Plus the **** sent Griff off.

I was hoping the prick would ref tomorrow in Newy so I could abuse the **** in between fapping over Honda

[Blackmac79]

Our turn.

Hope the crowd is massive.

[Buddha]

I have a spare ticket Category 1 Concession (Bay 8) for the Japan - Palestine game tomorrow.
Its priced at $15, I'll sell it for $12
If anyones interested.
I'm interested

[boz-monaut]

Budda - I've got one available for $1 less than this kid

[WolfMan]

My bay 6 ticket is back on the table. Brother is crook in hospital so he can't make it. Solo ticket, I won't be sitting next to you (that oughta be worth more). Paid $30, will take $20

[Jetmaster]

Young Japanese women....mmmmmmmm

[militiamon]

First post on the foz in a while, just like to say that I agree with Jetmaster.

[BodyNovo]

First post on the foz in a while, just like to say that I agree with Jetmaster.

are you going today?

Fassifirm reunion? meet at the station

PS membah, having a beer pre game at the tenz?

[militiamon]

Was about to message you mate.

Firm reunion for sure, we were planning on catching the train in. Time?

Also we're going for Palestine, yeah? :rof:

[plague]

First post on the foz in a while.

Jail?

[militiamon]

lol, missed you plague
PS Just been catching up on things, big ups for the Tinks support :pissup:

So does everyone think this Palestinian team is more representative of Gaza or the West Bank??
Trying to work out whether to bring my Hamas green or Fatah yellow.

[plague]

lol, missed you plague
PS Just been catching up on things, big ups for the Tinks support :pissup:

So does everyone think this Palestinian team is more representative of Gaza or the West Bank??
Trying to work out whether to bring my Hamas green or Fatah yellow.

I'm all about Nippon tonight.
It's my 3rd home.

[plague]

I'll be wearing my Nippon scarf that a Japanese fan gave me in the car park of the Kaiserslauten game back in 2006.
If you look at it close enough you can still see the little pieces of his broken heart all over it.

Best day.

[BodyNovo]

Was about to message you mate.

Firm reunion for sure, we were planning on catching the train in. Time?

Also we're going for Palestine, yeah? :rof:

3.28 or 4.11 at fassi?

[MFKS]

are you going today?

Fassifirm reunion? meet at the station

PS membah, having a beer pre game at the tenz?
Probably hearing the news that Militia is back in town from his jail stint and a chance up to catch up with him is a great selling point

[BodyNovo]

Probably hearing the news that Militia is back in town from his jail stint and a chance up to catch up with him is a great selling point

4.30? at the tenz.

No SDS

[militiamon]

3.28 or 4.11 at fassi?

3.28 since I don't have a job.
stretch won't even dog it this time, amazing scenes.

MFKS :pissup:

[BodyNovo]

3.28 since I don't have a job.
stretch won't even dog it this time, amazing scenes.

MFKS :pissup:

see you at 3.28

get keen membah.

you can join the fassi endorsed west bank firm

[Superdylan]

4.30? at the tenz.

No SDS

What you mean no SDS? I shall be there at the tenzo by 4:30pm.

[Mitchy]

Bodi is in trouble now

[BodyNovo]

What you mean no SDS? I shall be there at the tenzo by 4:30pm.


Bodi is in trouble now

http://hamsterdam415.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/no-homers.jpg

i ment no SDS

we are allowed 1

[Jeterpool]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2810406/adamstown-rail-gates-locked-down/?cs=305

For those of you looking to take the train I suggest you have a look .

[militiamon]

What you mean no SDS? I shall be there at the tenzo by 4:30pm.

Hey SD,

I think Body was referring to Sodium dodecyl sulfate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_dodecyl_sulfate) or SDS, a chemical used in many hygiene and cleaning products.

Sorry for the confusion.

Regards,
Pete Dunham

[Stokecityfc]

Mon Palestine

[Superdylan]

Hey SD,

I think Body was referring to Sodium dodecyl sulfate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_dodecyl_sulfate) or SDS, a chemical used in many hygiene and cleaning products.

Sorry for the confusion.

Regards,
Pete Dunham

Lol well played

[plague]

Anyone know what tix sales were like? Blokes on the wireless claiming traffic mayhem/parking Armageddon etc etc.

Are they expecting Godzilla to turn up or something?

[GazFish35]

17000 according to MDT on twitter

[MFKS]

17000 according to MDT on twitter

Bigger crowds than the Jets see.

Newy a town full of secret Palestinian fanbois??

[plague]

17000 according to MDT on twitter

Geez Louise.

Hopefully they are all poor people and don't have cars.
cc: Joe Hockey.

[Bon]

Bigger crowds than the Jets see.

Newy a town full of secret Palestinian fanbois??

My roommate was buying tickets last night, and apparently the "alcohol free area" seats are all sold out, as are the Palestinian active supporters bay..

[joel31]

if 17,000 are sold and there's usually a few thousand who turn up and buy on the day that'll be a good crowd

[MFKS]

My roommate was buying tickets last night, and apparently the "alcohol free area" seats are all sold out, as are the Palestinian active supporters bay..

Full of Palestinian Hools or lefty apologists there making a look at me I am making a political statement that I have NFI about pose.

That is the big question

[plague]

Full of Palestinian Hools or lefty apologists there making a look at me I am making a political statement that I have NFI about pose.

That is the big question

All the better reason to support Japan.

[militiamon]

Let's start brainstorming some chants for Palestine. I'll start:

(Yellow Submarine)
We all live in an occupied territory
An occupied territory
An occupied territory

[MFKS]

Let's start brainstorming some chants for Palestine. I'll start:

(Yellow Submarine)
We all live in an occupied territory
An occupied territory
An occupied territory

I like the versatility with that chant.

as jets fans we can easily change it to

We all support a shithouse football team
A shithouse football team
Etc

And would not miss a beat

[WolfMan]

My Bay 6 ticket is gone. Just a heads up

[plague]

Geez I hope that bogan element doesn't turn up thinking they are funny with their chants and cultural references.
Suffered the embarrassment of being in Japan once where bogan Aussies thought it was funny to make Pearl Harbour and Hiroshima jokes at the game.

Just shut up and enjoy the football hey.

[Buddha]

Very devastated that I won't be able to go to this, an untimely water bill has left me short. Would of been a great game to watch

[Bremsstrahlung]

Very devastated that I won't be able to go to this, an untimely water bill has left me short. Would of been a great game to watch

Yeh, work screwed me over.
Working each game.
Many swaps to try an make anything happen. Will make 3/4 playoff though.

[Blackmac79]

Saw 5 individuals get booted for insulting, throwing things at, and generally harassing Palestinian female supporters

[plague]

Too big.
Too blue.
Too strong.

Kagawa phwooaaarrr

[Jeterpool]

For all of their midfield flair Japan are really lacking up front. Yeah yeah they scored 4 goals but I just felt they were short at the point. They seemed to play one ball too many and want to pass the ball into the net.

They're very quick on the break but if you can limit them getting in behind I think you go along way to shutting them down.

Active support on both sides did well. Certainly no issues where we were seated in bay 10. 15000 seemed a bit short to me. Was the top teir of eastern stand full?

[MFKS]

For all of their midfield flair Japan are really lacking up front. Yeah yeah they scored 4 goals but I just felt they were short at the point. They seemed to play one ball too many and want to pass the ball into the net.

They're very quick on the break but if you can limit them getting in behind I think you go along way to shutting them down.

Active support on both sides did well. Certainly no issues where we were seated in bay 10. 15000 seemed a bit short to me. Was the top teir of eastern stand full?

If that is a 15k crowd then the Jets bullshit us with their crowds.

The Eastern Stand was 80-90% full. The western stand was 80% full if you take out the media and cordoned off seats. There was also a few on the hill. I was expecting a 20k crowd.

Good thing is I think that Newy made a compelling case to hold a Socceroo match in the future. The turnout also would have said to the FFA clearly that they have to fix our Jets issues as the support is here. It just needs harnessing

[sammydog]

I was in the back row of the Eastern Stand and it was packed. Getting into the ground took ages compared to a Jets game as well and my bag wasn't searched today, unlike at a Jets game.

If that was 15,000 then both the Jets and the Knights are professional fudgers of the crowd figures.

Based on crowds at the Jets (and knights on the TV) I would have been expecting 20,000 easily.

[Jeterpool]

H
If that is a 15k crowd then the Jets bullshit us with their crowds.

The Eastern Stand was 80-90% full. The western stand was 80% full if you take out the media and cordoned off seats. There was also a few on the hill. I was expecting a 20k crowd.

Good thing is I think that Newy made a compelling case to hold a Socceroo match in the future. The turnout also would have said to the FFA clearly that they have to fix our Jets issues as the support is here. It just needs harnessing


I was in the back row of the Eastern Stand and it was packed. Getting into the ground took ages compared to a Jets game as well and my bag wasn't searched today, unlike at a Jets game.

If that was 15,000 then both the Jets and the Knights are professional fudgers of the crowd figures.

Based on crowds at the Jets (and knights on the TV) I would have been expecting 20,000 easily.

Glad I'm not the only one thinking it

[WolfMan]

Geez, Japan are good to watch. I honestly can't see anyone but them winning the title again. So fast, so tenacious.

[Premy]

Anyone got a link for the 17,000 tickets sold twitter comment?

[baldrick]

Anyone got a link for the 17,000 tickets sold twitter comment?

Here ya go.

955

[Jetmaster]

Western Stand holds 11000 and was more than three quarters full. Griffiths Stand holds 13000 and was 95% full.

The stadium has a capacity of 30000 and you are telling me it was only half full?

Someone has pocketed a large sum of money.....a joke.

[Premy]

Here ya go.

955

Cheers

[sammydog]

The pitch didn't look like a good return on $1.5 million either.

[Jetmaster]

I'm seeing a crowd figure of 22,412 on some places on the net including Wikipedia....something odd is going on.

[Thomas477]

Looked a bit patchy tbh. All grass, but not a smooth carpet you'd expect.

On another note, does anyone know if Rebel or anyone in Newy stock any asian team jerseys? Was hoping to pick a Japanese one at the game but they didn't have any in ground.

[sammydog]

I'm seeing a crowd figure of 22,412 on some places on the net including Wikipedia....something odd is going on.

Which is more like what the rest of us saw.

[lquiquer]

Not sure my ticket was properly scan when entering the venue (not usual turnstile used but "kids" with manual scanners) Others inside venue reckons same thing ???!!! So possible source to explain discrepancy in numbers and visual estimation.... Definitely 20K minimum........

[plague]

But why would they downplay it?
(And I'm with the rest, if tonight was 15k then the Jets have been getting 5k all year).

[sammydog]

I can't think of any sensible reasons that you would down grade it.

Would the stadium of AFC have been in charge of the count?

[joel31]

If that was only 3k more than usual than why were queues more than 10 times the length?

[hawk]

Saw 5 individuals get booted for insulting, throwing things at, and generally harassing Palestinian female supporters

There were a few antagonists up in the nippon who got moved on. better save the apologies for all sides

[Superdylan]

Wow cannot believe I missed the first 7 minutes of this game

Luckily caught the first goal. Glad they opened the hills up aswell. Kudos to Palestine especially in the second half thought they put in a very gusty performance & massive kudos to their fans pretty much sung, chanted & danced for the 90 minutes even though it was mainly p-p Palestine.

P.s Bodi hope you enjoyed that cider I shouted ya

[hawk]

lefty apologists there making a look at me I am making a political statement that I have NFI about pose.

lol, only the ones with Che tshirts

[GazFish35]

I can't think of any sensible reasons that you would down grade it.

Would the stadium of AFC have been in charge of the count?

Hunter venues wouldn't want a sokkah crowd to be big.
Tin foil hat fits nicely.

[A.J.]

Regarding ticket numbers, I made a decision sunday afternoon to go (only planned on tonights game, semi and 3 v 4) and the tickets I purchased were PAX 17038-17042...definitely looked like at least 20k

[pv4]

The turnout also would have said to the FFA clearly that they have to fix our Jets issues as the support is here. It just needs harnessing

While I loved the crowd, and loved the general Newy public getting behind the game and all that - I can't agree with this line. There were so many Japanese and Palestinian fans there - I wouldn't say they were unharnassed Newy fans as much as just their to see their team. There was also a heap of CCM, SFC and other club jerseys scouted in the place.

Saturday will be a better test of how much the newy public has taken to it - two teams that aren't necessarily draw-cards, yet on a Saturday night.

[A.J.]

And Saturday night kick off time is the same time as Socceroos v Korea, so I can't see them cracking more than 5-6k on Saturday

[plague]

Lulz at the 'we are all Palestine' flag.
Fat lads in the blowup sumo suits on the family hill.
Also a Mong in a Gypos shirt getting grief from the locals.
Good times.

[Jeterpool]

Not sure my ticket was properly scan when entering the venue (not usual turnstile used but "kids" with manual scanners) Others inside venue reckons same thing ???!!! So possible source to explain discrepancy in numbers and visual estimation.... Definitely 20K minimum........

Mine was simply ripped off and not scanned.

[Leftback at Home]

Heard this morning it was a scanning issue & not all tickets were counted. There was no way your fitting an extra 15-18k in there. I was half joking with the guys around me that the Knights must have been in charge of counting heads as they couldn't handle are large Football crowd on "their" patch. Good to see the turnout & the Palestine fans seemed to be having a great time. Japan far too good & despite old mate behind me giving everyone a running commentry and critiquing Palestine's play like he expected them to be Barcelona or something it was a good night. Saturday will be interesting. I will be there and will have the Socceroos on Record - just hope nobody blabs out the result!!

[Jeterpool]

Heard this morning it was a scanning issue & not all tickets were counted. There was no way your fitting an extra 15-18k in there. I was half joking with the guys around me that the Knights must have been in charge of counting heads as they couldn't handle are large Football crowd on "their" patch. Good to see the turnout & the Palestine fans seemed to be having a great time. Japan far too good & despite old mate behind me giving everyone a running commentry and critiquing Palestine's play like he expected them to be Barcelona or something it was a good night. Saturday will be interesting. I will be there and will have the Socceroos on Record - just hope nobody blabs out the result!!

Yeah so do I! I certainly won't be checking!

[Jeterpool]

And Gaz I've had to PM the photo of the stadium to you. It's too large to upload on the foz

[Jeterpool]

Nope that didn't work either. Sorry mate.

[BodyNovo]

great afternoon out at the footeh

endo is the asian pirlo, bloke never got out of first gear and just walked around hitting perfect 30-50 yard passes, would pay to see him every week.

palo fans were good value

seemed that everyone did the same as me and changed ends at halftime to the northern hill

thanks sd for the cider.

i'm with the member i reckon there would have been 5-7k non newy based but from my facebook feed there were individuals who haven't been to jerks games in yonks putting pictures up. so the bandwagon still exist.

looking forward to tonight, the idea of 2 football games in 2 days pleases me greatly

[pv4]

looking forward to tonight, the idea of 2 football games in 2 days pleases me greatly

What train are yall catching down?

Is the Harp the official pre-match venue?

[Leftback at Home]

Shame they stuffed up the crowd figures 15k is the still the third highest crowd thus far behind the 25k for Aus-Kuw & the 17k Irn-Bah match in Melbourne. Would be nice to have the biggest crowd of tournament (not inc Australia's Games).

[BodyNovo]

What train are yall catching down?

Is the Harp the official pre-match venue?

driving to hornsby

and ****ing no chance

whelans from 5pm

[hawk]

Yeah so do I! I certainly won't be checking!

there is no way that score will be kept secret

Anyone else see the dudes collecting used tickets after the game yest? must be part of a collectors club

[pv4]

there is no way that score will be kept secret

Anyone else see the dudes collecting used tickets after the game yest? must be part of a collectors club

My initial thoughts were that he would attempt to scam peoples credit card details off them somehow.

I haven't bothered to look at whether those kind of details actually exist on the tickets or not.

[joel31]

My initial thoughts were that he would attempt to scam peoples credit card details off them somehow.

I haven't bothered to look at whether those kind of details actually exist on the tickets or not.
I doubt they would be able to. He probably justs collects them

[belchardo]

guy was doing that in Canberra as well.

[pv4]

I doubt they would be able to. He probably justs collects them

A year or two back I read something that said the swipe cards you get in hotels should be chopped up and thrown out because your credit card is able to be scammed somehow if the disposed cards get in the wrong hands. I have doubts over whether it is true or not (I can't remember where I read it - prob some hype-driven thing on facebook that I was suckered into amirite), but my bank account is one thing I care about in this world so nowadays I attempt to chop up things like tickets, hotel cards, etc just in case.

[pv4]

guy was doing that in Canberra as well.

Was there a guy selling half-Socceroos, half-the team(s) playing jerseys out of boxes carted around by a pram? Because I loved that guy yesterday at Hunter :rof:

[joel31]

guy was doing that in Canberra as well.
I saw one guy doing it at the North Korea game

[sammydog]

Was there a guy selling half-Socceroos, half-the team(s) playing jerseys out of boxes carted around by a pram? Because I loved that guy yesterday at Hunter :rof:

Was selling them out of the boot of his car in the carpark at the end of the game.

[Jetmaster]

Gate 4 didn't scan, don't know about the others.

Remember when we played Gypos in an afternoon final and were told we would have a record crowd only to find a chockablock stadium with a 25000 capacity had much less that thought.

Only in Newy of course does this happen.

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Easily 20,000 there. Well done to the Palestinian crew, they were great value.
Japan ooze class though done they.

[Grimario]

Crowd figure revised up to 17k and change.

[GazFish35]

Surely no one is surprised hunter stadium cocked things up.

[sammydog]

If they can't keep a new pitch looking good, counting to 17,000 will be well beyond them.

[Premy]

Crowd figure revised up to 17k and change.

Where did you get that from?

[Grimario]

Where did you get that from?

Murray Shaw ‏@MurrayShaw1
As suggested earlier, the crowd in Newcastle for yesterday's match between Japan and Palestine has been revised to 17,147. Well done Newy!


Not sure where Murray Shaw got it from...

[plague]

Not sure where Murray Shaw got it from...

no doubt hes been reading the foz.

[joel31]

i thought it was at least 20k

[Buddha]

Anyone going to the Live site tonight?

[Grimario]

McKay to start tonight. Clearly showed Ange the pictures he has on his phone as a reminder.

FFS.

[MFKS]

McKay to start tonight. Clearly showed Ange the pictures he has on his phone as a reminder.

FFS.

Played centrally??? I bet you he has a decent enough game to keep the haters at bay

[Grimario]

Played centrally??? I bet you he has a decent enough game to keep the haters at bay

One of the two 10's, apparently. Him and Luongo ahead of Milligan.

[weston]

How does McKay get in the squad let alone team.

The bloke has gone backwards since he was in Australia last time.

[Grimario]

How does McKay get in the squad let alone team.

The bloke has gone backwards since he was in Australia last time.

Ahead of the likes of Holland, Bozanic, Brillante and Mooy... disgrace.

[MFKS]

One of the two 10's, apparently. Him and Luongo ahead of Milligan.

Milligan and McKay???

I thought that Milligan would have been overlooked???

so obviously Mike Jedinak is out with his foot issue but who else is out??

[Grimario]

Milligan and McKay???

I thought that Milligan would have been overlooked???

so obviously Mike Jedinak is out with his foot issue but who else is out??

Midfield of Milligan screening with Luongo and McKay ahead of him. Kruse/Cahill/Leckie all starting, Davidson in for Behich.

[MFKS]

Midfield of Milligan screening with Luongo and McKay ahead of him. Kruse/Cahill/Leckie all starting, Davidson in for Behich.

So another Anges faves Troisi got the arse??

Despite Harper spending all game fapping over him the other night and neglecting his constant **** ups??

I thought that goal at the end would have saved him

What did Behich do wrong?? Thought he was reliable and solid contributor Friday??

[380]

Davidson, If it were not for his old man he would watching the game on TV tonight. F^&*'n useless footballer.

[Grimario]

So another Anges faves Troisi got the arse??

Despite Harper spending all game fapping over him the other night and neglecting his constant **** ups??

I thought that goal at the end would have saved him

What did Behich do wrong?? Thought he was reliable and solid contributor Friday??

Nothing done wrong, just rotation as Ange has always said he would. He said he was guilty of not using his whole squad at WC so by third game, the starting eleven were absolutely spent and it showed.

[Grimario]

Were Kuwait this good against us or are South Korea not as good as I thought they would be?

[baldrick]

Were Kuwait this good against us or are South Korea not as good as I thought they would be?



A little bit of both..

I didnt think Kuwait were that bad against us

[plague]

I still want to punch Kruse in the face hey.

[Jeterpool]

Bozza giving newcastle a wrap for a 20K+ crowd despite what the officials siad

[Jeterpool]

Can tell Davidson hasn't played much recently

[WolfMan]

But it's picked on form..... Like State of Origin

[weston]

Ahead of the likes of Holland, Bozanic, Brillante and Mooy... disgrace.

Stealing goals off his team mates. What a f**kwit.

Than again, stole a goal of a gypo.

Not sure if this is good or bad.

Still a c*nt

[Jeterpool]

Still want to punch him plague?

[Jeterpool]

Stealing goals off his team mates. What a f**kwit.

Than again, stole a goal of a gypo.

Not sure if this is good or bad.

Still a c*nt

Agree re gypo. Said that to mrs jeterpool. Still think it needed his touch

[Grimario]

McKay, what a man. And Luongo, what an assist for face punch guy.

[plague]

Still want to punch him plague?
Yep.
Harder than ever.
Worse keeping than Biraz for that one.

[Jeterpool]

Dear ref. that was a red. Sincerely, Australia

[Grimario]

Dear ref. that was a red. Sincerely, Australia

How the **** was it not? Completely off the ground, no control whatsoever and studs until the leg. Disgraceful.

[Jeterpool]

Yep.
Harder than ever.
Worse keeping than Biraz for that one.

Mrs jp said kruse looks like the pawn shop owner in men in black. The first one. Don't see it myself. She's had a wine though

[leftrightout]

Oman are a good team and they cannot get a touch on the ball. Surely some negativity about our team is going to stop soon. This is good entertaining football and we are winning.
This back three of ryan, Sainsbury and spirra looks like it has an amazing amount of potential!

[Grimario]

Mrs jp said kruse looks like the pawn shop owner in men in black. The first one. Don't see it myself. She's had a wine though

Wasn't that the guy that played Monk?

[leftrightout]

McKay works well in middle when only playing one screening midfield because his biggest asset is how much he runs. He might not be the best ball player but he provides a fair amount of cover, he doesn't stop!

[Wilso8948]

I still want to punch Kruse in the face hey.

He has the worst head hey

[plague]

Oman are a good team and they cannot get a touch on the ball. Surely some negativity about our team is going to stop soon. This is good entertaining football and we are winning.
This back three of ryan, Sainsbury and spirra looks like it has an amazing amount of potential!

Australia isn't good until Rebecca Wilson says so.

[Jeterpool]

Wasn't that the guy that played Monk?

Yeah it was

[leftrightout]

Haha how's that for reffing!
Fair call in the foul though, the bloke would get 2 weeks for that head high tackle in league!

[westjet]

This guy should be reffing in the a-league. Great half by the aussies though.

[plague]

Yeah it was

Tony Shaloub or something?
No I haven't seen that show but he's in a movie called Pain and Gain which I enjoyed.
Ok it's halftime lets talk movies better than Leckie and Kruse.

[Grimario]

Tony Shaloub or something?
No I haven't seen that show but he's in a movie called Pain and Gain which I enjoyed.
Ok it's halftime lets talk movies better than Leckie and Kruse.

Tango and Cash
Wallace and Grommet
Pride and Prejudice

[plague]

Tango and Cash
Wallace and Grommet
Pride and Prejudice

kate and Leopold?

[Jeterpool]

We're looking good and to have the game all but over at half time is good. We can play some fringe players and give them a run. It'll secure our spot in the quarters too.

Agree it's been entertaining so far.

[Jeterpool]

Tony Shaloub or something?
No I haven't seen that show but he's in a movie called Pain and Gain which I enjoyed.
Ok it's halftime lets talk movies better than Leckie and Kruse.

That's the bloke. Do you see it or do I have to cut her off?

[Jeterpool]

Tango and Cash
Wallace and Grommet
Pride and Prejudice

Mr and mrs smith
Dumb and dumber

[Jeterpool]

Where's Tara ffs

[plague]

Mr and mrs smith
Dumb and dumber

Terminator and 2.

[plague]

No wait, that didn't work.

[Grimario]

Mr and mrs smith
Dumb and dumber

Benny and June
Sense and Sensibility
Turner and Hooch

[Jeterpool]

Benny and June
Sense and Sensibility
Turner and Hooch

Milo and otis

[plague]

I think this is the Foz equivalent of doing the Mexican wave.
Score a goal ****ern.

[Grimario]

Beautiful

[plague]

Geez they love a fap over Leckie don't they.
Good cross tho.

That finish. Geez he's got something don't he.

[baldrick]

Pretty handy outside of the foot cross from Leckie.

[Jeterpool]

Pretty handy outside of the foot cross from Leckie.

Once each game he's successfully completed it.

[leftrightout]

Geez they love a fap over Leckie don't they.
Good cross tho.

That finish. Geez he's got something don't he.

Lovely cross and great finish.
Yeah he really does. He has something really special! Love the kid!

[plague]

Good to see Milligan keeps up his record of 2 pretend injuries per match even at international level.

[baldrick]

I think this is the Foz equivalent of doing the Mexican wave..



http://youtu.be/UYVnSPTEPkg

[Jeterpool]

Good to see Milligan keeps up his record of 2 pretend injuries per match even at international level.

:whistling:

[Jeterpool]

What I like about our performances is that we haven't taken the foot off. We continue to push even though we're 4-0 up

How good is al-habsi. Omanian equivalent of schwarzer

[Premy]

No Burns:what:

[Jeterpool]

No Burns:what:

Saving him for South Korea

[Grimario]

No Burns:what:

Pv4 has a terrible moustache.

Buuuuuuuuurn :gent:

[belchardo]

Job 1 done - qualified for next round. Draw good enough for 1st.

[belchardo]

Luongo is playing brilliantly. All hail the new bresciano!

[Buddha]

Spiras newest fan right here, I don't think I've ever seen a defender look so composed and calm on the ball as much as him. A ball playing defender of a high quality. Plus that Backheel to Kruse that set up Bresciano. Phwoar, nearly blew my load.

But disappointed in our crosses tonight, and a few of our set pieces, if we could take Bresciano's dead ball ability and give it to Massimo he'd be complete

[Blackmac79]

Enjoyed watching the socceroos for the first time in years.

Now if only the jets would get good

[Grimario]

Some punching practice for those who want it...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7Omf3YCIAAIheP.jpg

[joel31]

Luongo was great when he was on
I thought McKay did quite well
Oman looked better than Kuwait did IMO

[joel31]

What does everyone think of the Mexican wave?
I dislike it personally

[Grimario]

Pretty disgraceful, really.

[front2]

Still looking for a car park since Mr Abbott was chicken scared of terrorism threat.

[hawk]

poor bugger

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7Omf3YCIAAIheP.jpg

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsJ/37974-27262.gif

[hawk]

Luongo is playing brilliantly. All hail the new bresciano!

yup tore it up twice in 2.

Another of the non favourite juniors to come into seniors

[hawk]

Brecsi's corners are sublime

[MFKS]

:whistling:
Played centrally??? I bet you he has a decent enough game to keep the haters at bay

[belchardo]

Some punching practice for those who want it...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7Omf3YCIAAIheP.jpg

you shouldn't advocate punching children.

[belchardo]

went to the south korea v Kuwait game last night. Kuwait were good, korea slightly more classy where it mattered and did look they were playing in 3rd gear for the first half. Kuwait stepped up in the second (particularly in the last 20 minutes) and but for a coat of paint would have equalised. I think korea played within themselves, got a bit lucky, but should step up for Saturday's match. I think we've got them covered though, particularly as a draw is enough to go through in 1st.

Hot scouting tip for Stubbsy: Aziz from Kuwait would be a great no. 10. has a slight problem with passing (although I can't back that up, his passing could be brilliant, it's just that he didn't pass all night!)

got wet, bolted home at the full time whistle, missed the first 30 seconds of the socceroos match. how good is it living 500m from the stadium? took me longer to get out of the stadium than from the stadium to home.

[leftrightout]

Spiras newest fan right here, I don't think I've ever seen a defender look so composed and calm on the ball as much as him. A ball playing defender of a high quality. Plus that Backheel to Kruse that set up Bresciano. Phwoar, nearly blew my load.

But disappointed in our crosses tonight, and a few of our set pieces, if we could take Bresciano's dead ball ability and give it to Massimo he'd be complete

Yep he is all class!

[parksey]

how good is it not having wilkinson in the team?

[Grimario]

:whistling:

Runs a lot. Good on him. Could have put one of 20 other midfielders in there with engines and they would have done the same thing. He's just above average in everything... Jeggo is better.

[pv4]

I feel like over the last month I've had arguments with people a lot about how they don't rate Milligan and McKay for the Socceroos. I thought both of them were outstanding (as I usually do) last night. Would also like to give a big shoutout to my main man MFAW in regards to him saying he doesn't rate Juric :cool: I still can't believe you were rallying for Alex Wilkinson to be in the Socceroos for all this time - we're so much fxxxing better without him!

Love that Spira is still Spira. I've loved that guy since I first saw him.

And I copped a lot of shit for my views in the past (and probably always will) but far out, Sainsbury is good!

[Grimario]

McKay (apart from the left back era) has never had a "bad" game for the Socceroos I can recall. But he doesn't have any kind of x-factor and can't break a game apart like Luongo did in the first half. And don't mention the long ball to Juric... Jobe/Zad/any other average midfielder would have done the same, it's not some glorious bit of amazing football when the other team is pushing hard for a goal.

And that's ignoring the fact that he has been average in an average side this year... shouldn't even be in the squad in the first case. Form my arse. Ange out. (not really)

[MFKS]

I feel like over the last month I've had arguments with people a lot about how they don't rate Milligan and McKay for the Socceroos. I thought both of them were outstanding (as I usually do) last night. Would also like to give a big shoutout to my main man MFAW in regards to him saying he doesn't rate Juric :cool: I still can't believe you were rallying for Alex Wilkinson to be in the Socceroos for all this time - we're so much fxxxing better without him!

Love that Spira is still Spira. I've loved that guy since I first saw him.

And I copped a lot of shit for my views in the past (and probably always will) but far out, Sainsbury is good!

Blokes a poor mans Matt Simon.

If Taggz was fit Juric ain't in the squad

Taggz >>>Daylight>>>>Matt Simon>>>>> Daylight>>>>Juric

[BodyNovo]

McKay and milligan while impressive for me last night are no value when the pressures on

i reckon jedinak does both there jobs hence no need for him.

i personally would be playing

jedinak, luongo and tommy oar as my 3

tommy has played in the hole for utrect all season.

[MFKS]

As much as Bresciano has been a loyal foot soldier for Socceroos over the years last night showed that Ange needs to pension him off.

First half we attacked at speed with a high tempo game and looked fantastic.

Second half Bresciano comes on the attack speed plummets and we don't look as good.

Going forward with the likes of Luongo Sarota DeSilva Antonio and even Tommy Rogic hopefully this tourney will be his swan song.

Not knocking his ability but the way Ange is playing he is a square peg in a round hole

[plague]

Wilkinson? Jedinak? Ryan? Sainsbury?
The amount of gypo love on here is a disgrace.
You blokes may as well start referring to Newy as Gosford Heights.

Gypo lovers OUT.

[Grimario]

Wilkinson? Jedinak? Ryan? Sainsbury?
The amount of gypo love on here is a disgrace.
You blokes may as well start referring to Newy as Gosford Heights.

Gypo lovers OUT.

Imagine if Beard hadn't shat the bed in his first Serie A game and Taggart wasn't injured... could have had over half the starting line up as former F3 derby mad cvnts.

[Buddha]

Juric is probably one of the best natural goal scorers in Australia atm, he's just got that knack, plus it helps him being a gigantor, getting on the end of crosses

[pv4]

The beauty of McKay is he is Ange's perfect player.

Ange (and all international coaches) get bugger all time with their squad to implement their system. McKay is so adaptable to everything, and knows Ange's philosophy backwards.

No, he won't provide the X-factor of Luongo. No, he won't score like Cahill. But he does his job, which is exactly why he is the perfect option for Ange.

We can't play a lone holding mid unless we have Jedinak. When Jedi is out, we don't have the quality to replace him with one man so need to go to 2. This works perfectly with Milligan/McKay because Milligan does the yards defensively, and McKay follows the ball around like a puppy dog and will rarely if ever turn over possession. And that's good, because we have some highly active, mobile players in Leckie, Troisi, Luongo, Kruse, Oar that we move the ball around, and switch it, a lot. And we're lucky to have someone of McKay's engine-room to be the outlet for those players. How often do you see in a Jerks game we switch the ball and the guy (usually Hoole, or Carney) who gets it on the wing is just compeltely isolated. This rarely happens when McKay is on the field for Australia.

After saying all that, I'm not sold on Oar still tbh. And I'd definitely not play him in the hole at this level, particularly now that all of our remaining games are against top opposition.

MFAW saying Matt Simon is better than anyone smh :oops:

[Grimario]

Bloody member. Obvious troll is obvious.

[MFKS]

Bloody member. Obvious troll is obvious.

No troll.

Fully believe Juric is over rated something shocking. WLG will confirm I have low opinion on Juric

[Grimario]

No troll.

Fully believe Juric is over rated something shocking. WLG will confirm I have low opinion on Juric

Far superior to Simon though. Clear trolling.

[leftrightout]

The beauty of McKay is he is Ange's perfect player.

Ange (and all international coaches) get bugger all time with their squad to implement their system. McKay is so adaptable to everything, and knows Ange's philosophy backwards.

No, he won't provide the X-factor of Luongo. No, he won't score like Cahill. But he does his job, which is exactly why he is the perfect option for Ange.

We can't play a lone holding mid unless we have Jedinak. When Jedi is out, we don't have the quality to replace him with one man so need to go to 2. This works perfectly with Milligan/McKay because Milligan does the yards defensively, and McKay follows the ball around like a puppy dog and will rarely if ever turn over possession. And that's good, because we have some highly active, mobile players in Leckie, Troisi, Luongo, Kruse, Oar that we move the ball around, and switch it, a lot. And we're lucky to have someone of McKay's engine-room to be the outlet for those players.

This is absolutely spot on, the bloke just works so hard and does the basics. No he doesn't have the X factor but you don't need every single player in your team to play killer passes. With Luongo, Troisi, Leckie, Kruse and Oar there are plent of blokes who will pick the ball up off him and try to do something with it. His cover of Milligan (who i also thought was brilliant) was great.

I also agree that when Jedinak plays, he does the job of these two combined which gives you the luxury of another forward player. In my opinion, right now on form, that extra player should be Troisi. Oar has so much potential, its obvious he does it for his club side, but he is still yet to really find his feet at international level.

[The Dunster]

Juric has a ton of skill / ability but lacks consistency. If he ever becomes consistent he will be playing in Europe.
Happy to see him playing for Australia and won't be suprised if he one day makes the grade so to speak in Europe.
Alternatively, I won't be suprised if he still lacks consistency in ten years time either.

[Jeterpool]

So we've booked a spot in the quarters, what do we do against South Korea? Do we play a second string team and rest our first teamers? Will this disrupt our cohesion?

I think momentum plays a massive part and we should play a number of our first teamers but rest a few.

-------------Ryan---------------

Herd----Sains------Spira----Aziz

------------Milli----------------

------Luongo------McKay-----

Kruse-------Juric---------Burns

[Jetmaster]

Newy crowd till seems well short...guess we'll never know the true crowd.

And apparently max stadium capacity is 22,000 for this tournament !!?? So, if Japan v Aus is on in the semi the stadium cannot be filled as those on the hill are people who bought seats and just moved.

[pv4]

I think we should be trying to top the group. I assume Uzbekistan will top Group B, which would see us likely play Saudi Arabia or China. Saudi Arabia without Al Spitter is a good fixture for us, I think.

In saying that, this Korea game will be a good chance for us to keep our cards closer to our chest when facing better opposition, as well as give us a chance to rest injuries/fatigue/etc.

It'd probably be best for all our players on a yellow to play this one, so they get potentially suspended for our first game out of the group rather than further into the tournament.

[leftrightout]

I think it will be much the same with a couple more rotations.
Davidson, Franjic and Kruse to rest (Kruse off the bench though)
Behich, Herd and Burns to come in.
Cahill to still only play maybe 50-60 minutes and Juric the rest

I don't think it matter who we play in the next match, i think we have all 3 of Uzbeks, Saudis and China covered. Its more falling to Japans side of the draw which is the biggest thing to avoid. We want to play them in the final!

[MFKS]

Don't know what we are worried about.

We don't win group we play Japan in Newy.

Who gives a **** about the final.


Would rather this happened and we missed final just to see Socceroo play a huge game in Newy

[lquiquer]

Aust - Japan in Newy would be awesome but 3 points V South Korea could improve our FIFA ranking further....so split on that one!!!!