**** off gary

[leftrightout]

The amount of times i saw our wide fullbacks push too far forward causing them to not recieve the ball off our centre backs was driving me crazy!
What the **** are the two at the back meant to do with the thing when our 2 centre mids are shit and our two wide back give them **** all to aim at?

I swear there used to be a time that even when the jets lost they were very entertaining to watch!

[Jetmaster]

We had three weeks to find a cheap coach willing to inherit branko's squad.

Mike Mulvey was begging to take the gig at the time....would not surprise if he is coach of the year this season.

[redwah]

Hi All new member.

I'll start by saying that I can't stand GVE. I didn't renew my membership this year purely on the fact that he is still the manager. I think he has little idea of how to manage this squad and he has even less idea of how to change when things aren't going right.

He seems to have bought into all the catch cry football tactics and is trying to impliment them all which can't work and he's not smart enough to see that some of them don't work out which are working and which aren't.

From watching the weekends round we seem the least fit and slowest with our ball movement. We bomb both fullbacks forward and both out defensive midfielders aren't defensive at all. Craig Goodwin is going backwards at a rate so quickly he may even go back in time. We have pace out wide we rarely use as our wide players always turn back instead of trying to get into the box or getting a cross in and the gap between the back 6 and front 4 is always filled with at least 2 opposition players.

Put simply you don't win competition points by passing the ball between your centre halves and goal keeper. you earn them by scoring more than your opposition. ****ing simple stuff Gary.

[Jeterpool]

Hi All new member.

I'll start by saying that I can't stand GVE. I didn't renew my membership this year purely on the fact that he is still the manager. I think he has little idea of how to manage this squad and he has even less idea of how to change when things aren't going right.

He seems to have bought into all the catch cry football tactics and is trying to impliment them all which can't work and he's not smart enough to see that some of them don't work out which are working and which aren't.

From watching the weekends round we seem the least fit and slowest with our ball movement. We bomb both fullbacks forward and both out defensive midfielders aren't defensive at all. Craig Goodwin is going backwards at a rate so quickly he may even go back in time. We have pace out wide we rarely use as our wide players always turn back instead of trying to get into the box or getting a cross in and the gap between the back 6 and front 4 is always filled with at least 2 opposition players.

Put simply you don't win competition points by passing the ball between your centre halves and goal keeper. you earn them by scoring more than your opposition. ****ing simple stuff Gary.

Firstly, welcome to the forum!

I have taken away something similar from you, and I wasn't sure if it is because I was looking behind biased glasses towards the Jets in particular. I also think we are the team who were moving the ball the slowest this weekend. If we can improve our speed and movement of the ball we will start to cut teams open.

I am also worried about Goodwin, but watching it he was making some intelligent movement but we simply weren't seeing the run/movement or weren't passing him the ball. I think he will still come good.

I am coming more to the belief that we won't be getting rid og Gary during the season, we will wait until his contract expires at the end of the season and not renew it.

I guess the question is if we were to get rid of him, who would we replace him with? Who is available that would possibly do a better job?

Anyway, look forward to your contributions.

[redwah]

Firstly, welcome to the forum!

I have taken away something similar from you, and I wasn't sure if it is because I was looking behind biased glasses towards the Jets in particular. I also think we are the team who were moving the ball the slowest this weekend. If we can improve our speed and movement of the ball we will start to cut teams open.

I am also worried about Goodwin, but watching it he was making some intelligent movement but we simply weren't seeing the run/movement or weren't passing him the ball. I think he will still come good.

I am coming more to the belief that we won't be getting rid og Gary during the season, we will wait until his contract expires at the end of the season and not renew it.

I guess the question is if we were to get rid of him, who would we replace him with? Who is available that would possibly do a better job?

Anyway, look forward to your contributions.

Cheers mate.

Yeah I guess Goodwin's runs aren't being spotted because we pass the ball backwards to much. I mean Virgili has speed to burn and If i was a defender I'd be shitting because I don't think to many of them are quick enough to cover him. The problem is he gets the ball and turns back to pass the ball in field rather than having a go at his man and I think he's told to do this as he seems as if he wants to get forward but is afraid he'll be dropped if he doesn't do as he's told.

I can't believe that Kanta isn't getting a look in as a defensive midfielder...he has a defensive background for christ sake.

We were beaten on the counter, more than once, by Sydney by a near 39 yr old and his 30+ yr old mates...Thompson didn't have a club on thursday and friday he makes our defensive midfield look stupid.

As far as who should replace GVE....he was sitting next to Frank Farina on friday night...

[Premy]

Hi All new member.

I'll start by saying that I can't stand GVE. I didn't renew my membership this year purely on the fact that he is still the manager. I think he has little idea of how to manage this squad and he has even less idea of how to change when things aren't going right.

He seems to have bought into all the catch cry football tactics and is trying to impliment them all which can't work and he's not smart enough to see that some of them don't work out which are working and which aren't.

From watching the weekends round we seem the least fit and slowest with our ball movement. We bomb both fullbacks forward and both out defensive midfielders aren't defensive at all. Craig Goodwin is going backwards at a rate so quickly he may even go back in time. We have pace out wide we rarely use as our wide players always turn back instead of trying to get into the box or getting a cross in and the gap between the back 6 and front 4 is always filled with at least 2 opposition players.

Put simply you don't win competition points by passing the ball between your centre halves and goal keeper. you earn them by scoring more than your opposition. ****ing simple stuff Gary.
We're meant to be nice to new foz members but I'm sorry you come across as spineless.

P.S don't become a jets member when our fortunes turn and we starting being successful again, because you're not a loyal fan you're just a bandwaggoner that likes a good thing. Go buy a Miami Heat shirt their doing pretty at the moment.

[Jeterpool]

As far as who should replace GVE....he was sitting next to Frank Farina on friday night...

Hmmmmm....not a bad shout. I think he was let go too early last season and he was on a hiding to nothing following Ange. Could be onto something there.

[pv4]

The answer to the replacement

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/09/23/1226144/530618-miron-bleiberg.jpg

Welcome to the foz redwah. Enjoy it mate. Announce your love for Kale and you're off to a flying start with MFKFC

[pv4]

BTW can we change the thread title, or merge it with the GVE out thread or something? A little harsh on the youngens eyes, a thread title with a bad word and all, yeah?

[380]

František Straka. At least when the Fury were getting beaten Frans made it fun. Never heard the bloke slag off his players and create a them v us mentality between coaching staff and players.

Also from a financial perspective and help the big fella out with a few bills the club could also add biege sports jackets to there merchandise range and make an extra couple of dollars. I am sure all the Sally stores in the region would appreciate the extra business from all the inquiries they would get from people wanting to know if they had any in stock.

[hausmann]

I could be wrong but i reckon many will tell you Theo's squad, Jones's brains.

It was actually Remo's squad.

[Jeterpool]

It was actually Remo's squad.

All gone to poo since he and also to an extent Tsatsimas left the organisation.

[redwah]

We're meant to be nice to new foz members but I'm sorry you come across as spineless.

P.S don't become a jets member when our fortunes turn and we starting being successful again, because you're not a loyal fan you're just a bandwaggoner that likes a good thing. Go buy a Miami Heat shirt their doing pretty at the moment.

Pal I'm far from spineless and I certainly didn't come on here to be your mate. As far as being a Jets member when the club shows some spine and replaces a manager that talks a good talk but can't see that he can't walk the walk I'll be back to give the next guy a chance...this one has had his and failed.

p.s. Let me guess your one of those 18yr old, drunk on light beer, wannabee terrace standing tools that thinks he has the right to tell people how to support "his" club....please... don't pretend to be nice to me if you don't want to because I won't lose any sleep over it.

[GazFish35]

We're meant to be nice to new foz members but I'm sorry you come across as spineless.

P.S don't become a jets member when our fortunes turn and we starting being successful again, because you're not a loyal fan you're just a bandwaggoner that likes a good thing. Go buy a Miami Heat shirt their doing pretty at the moment.


Really?

I think we might be down to about 2000 members if GVE is here next year.
No need for the high horse because someone's voting with their wallet, the bloke should be applauded. The club clearly only care about money, and We are the dumb shits who stumped up for a membership spite GVE. We are as much to blame for his continued employment as anyone.

[BodyNovo]

depends how you want to go about it

you can pay $100-$150 for a membership & still hate gve

or you can pay $25 + printing fee/card fee/etc a game to make a point of not getting a membership because of GVE

personally took the membership option.

[GazFish35]

or stay away entirely. (or jump the fence)
watch games on illegal streams.
dont use coal powered electricity.
by products imported by air.

[redwah]

Or just watch and stew on FOX....then vent on here.....

[MFKS]

or stay away entirely. (or jump the fence)
watch games on illegal streams.
dont use coal powered electricity.
by products imported by air.



I know you are being sarcastic but fairs fair. The new blokes decision is a poor one even if the reasoning behind it may seem justified

If the rest of us can man up and front up and watch that shit over and over again then so should everyone else who calls themselves a supporter.

How's that song go about "We're Newy Born We're Newy Bred and we will SUPPORT you to the end"???

Well it ain't the end we just have a poor coach and these are the times we go through that make the good times (When they Arrive ) that little bit sweeter


Hate on GVE all you like but still man up and support the club.

Supporting the club and what that means is about the only VALID reason I can think of going on Sunday (other than to yell abuse at Gary)

[Premy]

Pal I'm far from spineless and I certainly didn't come on here to be your mate. As far as being a Jets member when the club shows some spine and replaces a manager that talks a good talk but can't see that he can't walk the walk I'll be back to give the next guy a chance...this one has had his and failed.

p.s. Let me guess your one of those 18yr old, drunk on light beer, wannabee terrace standing tools that thinks he has the right to tell people how to support "his" club....please... don't pretend to be nice to me if you don't want to because I won't lose any sleep over it.

No need to pretend mate as far as I'm concerned your no better then those eurosnobs. It wasn't long ago when we didn't have a club to support when the breakers folded and like it or not as a supporter the best thing you can do is spend your hard earned on Membership, Merc, ect and get to the games or we won't have a club for much longer because Tinklers pockets are only shawlow these days. End of the day Managers, Players, Owners, Administration they all come and go but Loyal supporters stay true Grand final or Wooden spoons we're there. In my eyes that's not you I'm glad me saying so upsets you too because your just a Bandwagon supporter you may as well buy a SFC shirt and start supporting them.As to your thoughts about me you couldn't be further from the truth enjoy your armchair.

[pv4]

Guys can't we just get along and fight against the common enemy?

- CCM
- Sydney FC
- Hatamoto
- Michael Bridges
- The Judean People's Front

[plague]

Guys can't we just get along and fight against the common enemy?

- CCM
- Sydney FC
- Hatamoto
- Michael Bridges
- The Judean People's Front

- and Deans.

[russjaybee]

- Hutcho
- Weak Ankles

[plague]

- mfks

[redwah]

No need to pretend mate as far as I'm concerned your no better then those eurosnobs. It wasn't long ago when we didn't have a club to support when the breakers folded and like it or not as a supporter the best thing you can do is spend your hard earned on Membership, Merc, ect and get to the games or we won't have a club for much longer because Tinklers pockets are only shawlow these days. End of the day Managers, Players, Owners, Administration they all come and go but Loyal supporters stay true Grand final or Wooden spoons we're there. In my eyes that's not you I'm glad me saying so upsets you too because your just a Bandwagon supporter you may as well buy a SFC shirt and start supporting them.As to your thoughts about me you couldn't be further from the truth enjoy your armchair.

I make some observations about how I think the club I support is going and I'm a bandwaggoner. I choose not to renew my families membership and I'm a bandwaggoner. I disagree with you and your head up your ass opinion and I'm a bandwaggoner......Are you sure you're not GVE.

As far as I'm concerned Tinkler buying the club was the worse thing for it. Yeah we have a club but every time his name appears in the paper I could bet on the fact that you, like me wonder just how long it is before he shafts us.

I'll still go to games but I'm not dragging my family there to watch the same stuff over and over again. Isn't the definition of insanity repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome....sound likes Gary's game plan.

Anyway you're more than welcome to your opinion of me, of how a "real" supporter should act, on how the team should play and how the club should be run but it still doesn't change the fact that the coach is poor, his assistant has little or no idea and the players will continue to suffer because of it.

[MFKS]

No Premy has you pegged pretty good.

You are a bandwagoner.

Deserting the club coz you don't agree with GVE or his methods only to then front up when we get a new coach and start winning is by definition a bandwagon supporter.


Maybe one day you will see recognise that you are a bandwagoner seek change and join the rest of us Football supporters who live the dream 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year for a lifetime WIN Lose or DRAW.


You enjoy fronting up at Stade de Newy in a couple of years time when we are good and start fapping like you are a real supporter yet the reality is you ain't nothing more than a bandwagon jumper

[380]

I make some observations about how I think the club I support is going and I'm a bandwaggoner. I choose not to renew my families membership and I'm a bandwaggoner. I disagree with you and your head up your ass opinion and I'm a bandwaggoner......Are you sure you're not GVE.

As far as I'm concerned Tinkler buying the club was the worse thing for it. Yeah we have a club but every time his name appears in the paper I could bet on the fact that you, like me wonder just how long it is before he shafts us.

I'll still go to games but I'm not dragging my family there to watch the same stuff over and over again. Isn't the definition of insanity repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome....sound likes Gary's game plan.

Anyway you're more than welcome to your opinion of me, of how a "real" supporter should act, on how the team should play and how the club should be run but it still doesn't change the fact that the coach is poor, his assistant has little or no idea and the players will continue to suffer because of it.


I respect your right not to renew membership, in fact if it were not for the constant pestering from my kids i too would have not.

As for Tinks i can't help but disagree. For all the big fella's faults with pay'n some bills around the place his commitment to Jets should not come into question.

He has provided this club with more than enough resources and most importantly cash to have seen us better placed than we have and currently are. Other clubs would kill to have had the dosh we have been provided.

The sadddest part of following this club is watching those who the big fella entrusted to make the right decisions with his money and not be wasteful ( are you reading Robbie M and TP ) have let him and us down significantly.

For a bloke who is not a huge follower of our code he certainly man'd up when we needed someone to help us.

Just my thoughts.

[Jardelsimage]

sorry premy, but I've had enough also, not only GVE's attempted coaching style has driven me away, but I've heard they are selling Carlton again, how come the Boof heads get the good stuff and we get shit.

it's all to much.........

[Maito Mitch]

but I've heard they are selling Carlton again, how come the Boof heads get the good stuff and we get shit.

it's all to much.........

We're finally getting to the real issues here

I bet GVE had something to do with this as well

[GazFish35]

Supporting the club and what that means is about the only VALID reason I can think of going on Sunday (other than to yell abuse at Gary)

catch up with mates

[stopper2]

I know you are being sarcastic but fairs fair. The new blokes decision is a poor one even if the reasoning behind it may seem justified

If the rest of us can man up and front up and watch that shit over and over again then so should everyone else who calls themselves a supporter.

How's that song go about "We're Newy Born We're Newy Bred and we will SUPPORT you to the end"???

Well it ain't the end we just have a poor coach and these are the times we go through that make the good times (When they Arrive ) that little bit sweeter


Hate on GVE all you like but still man up and support the club.

Supporting the club and what that means is about the only VALID reason I can think of going on Sunday (other than to yell abuse at Gary)

Exactly MFKS

I still vividly remember in season 2 of the A-League going with the young bloke to watch the Jets against top of the table Victory on a cold, overcast day when we were stone motherless last. It was round 7 and was actually Nick Theo's last match in charge, the crowd was 4,000 odd and I think we ended up losing 2 or 3-0. A couple of months later when we were tearing up the competition and after a lengthy away schedule the team returned as heroes to beat the Mariners 3-1 in front of over 14,000....I can tell you I had tears welling up in my eyes from the emotion of it all. This is why you support your team because you have hope that things will get better and you want to be there when they do.....alright this time they're taking a bit longer to get better but the good days will be back!!!

[GazFish35]

Yep, and making anyone who's had enough of the current situation feel like they aren't "a true fan" is really oing to help get us of the shitstorm we are in.

"But we don't need them bandwagoners" some will cry.

Good luck having a club when only the "true fans" come along.


Redwah, its more than your right to not pay to watch the shite.
Find other ways to enjoy the experience, come to the tenzo, meet others who hate GVE and hare the distaste for the current situation. If you can get past the idea that you are sort of paying the club to find you mates its not a bad day out.
If that's not going to work, come to the tenzo pregame, watch the game there too, then when we all walk back in after the game you can hang shit on us for eing dumb enough to pay the privilege while stayed in air con comfort.


I admire you're protest, and I'm not sure why I didn't do the same.

[MFKS]

Yep, and making anyone who's had enough of the current situation feel like they aren't "a true fan" is really oing to help get us of the shitstorm we are in.

"But we don't need them bandwagoners" some will cry.

Good luck having a club when only the "true fans" come along.


Redwah, its more than your right to not pay to watch the shite.
Find other ways to enjoy the experience, come to the tenzo, meet others who hate GVE and hare the distaste for the current situation. If you can get past the idea that you are sort of paying the club to find you mates its not a bad day out.
If that's not going to work, come to the tenzo pregame, watch the game there too, then when we all walk back in after the game you can hang shit on us for eing dumb enough to pay the privilege while stayed in air con comfort.


I admire you're protest, and I'm not sure why I didn't do the same.

Mr Fish he brought that upon himself by continually defending his position and denying he was a bandwagon fan. :yeahright:

[Premy]

sorry premy, but I've had enough also, not only GVE's attempted coaching style has driven me away, but I've heard they are selling Carlton again, how come the Boof heads get the good stuff and we get shit.

it's all to much.........
Whose going to give me shit on the southern hill now Jardel?
You will be missed only a little bit but you bandwagoner.

[Premy]

Exactly MFKS

I still vividly remember in season 2 of the A-League going with the young bloke to watch the Jets against top of the table Victory on a cold, overcast day when we were stone motherless last. It was round 7 and was actually Nick Theo's last match in charge, the crowd was 4,000 odd and I think we ended up losing 2 or 3-0.
What a great day that was I was well intoxicated trying to slip'n'slide down the hill on grabage bags we were wearing. As many times it has been that I have left fustrated & humiliated, I have never not enjoyed myself at the football. Rain, Hail, Sunshine, Wining, Losing, Sunday Afternoon, Tuesday Night you show up and Support the Club you love, the players you love (some you hate), the Managers you love (most you hate), you get there and do your part for your Club.

Anyone who only wants to be there for the good times only are Bandwaggon fans and can join the RBB

[GazFish35]

The only folk who can be labelled bandwagoners are those who turned up for the semi v qld or the game v Beckham and never came back.


Anyone who has sat through more than two games of GVE's recent tenure doesn't deserve the label.

[MFKS]

The only folk who can be labelled bandwagoners are those who turned up for the semi v qld or the game v Beckham and never came back.


Anyone who has sat through more than two games of GVE's recent tenure doesn't deserve the label.

Just as anyone who deserts a club cause they are unhappy about results/don't like coach yet vow to return when results improve/coach is replaced are not entitled to be considered "fair dinkum" by other fans when they proclaim to be a "supporter"

[GazFish35]

I call bullshit member.

Maybe he loves the club so much he can't stand to see the dire situation we are in and believes that walking away might help send a message that things need to change.

High horse shit for other fans hardly suggests those who hang on in the bad times are any better.

[MFKS]

Whatever

You are defending the people who wish to desert the club in times of trouble.

I am defending the fans who stick by the club through thick and thinner.



As for the walking away may send a message things need to change. Yep it sends a message loud and clear to me

That is to quit in times of trouble and just give up.



Protest can come in many forms. You don't necessarily need to cut off your nose to spite your face.

Keeping money in your pocket and not going should be the last choice.

[plague]

Just as anyone who deserts a club cause they are unhappy about results/don't like coach yet vow to return when results improve/coach is replaced are not entitled to be considered "fair dinkum" by other fans when they proclaim to be a "supporter"

bhahahha.
****ing superfans everywhere.
http://www.lewisart.biz/superhubert/images/sh12300.jpg

I thought La Barone was voted #1 anyway. sif blokes like you can judge.

who gives a **** Member. get over yourself.

[evolution]

http://i.imgur.com/agJIP.gif

[MFKS]

bhahahha.
****ing superfans everywhere.
http://www.lewisart.biz/superhubert/images/sh12300.jpg

I thought La Barone was voted #1 anyway. sif blokes like you can judge.

who gives a **** Member. get over yourself.

Got a bit of a bycatch I see :lol:

[The Dunster]

The only criteria for being a Jets fan is to hate the Mariners. The rest is optional.

[Porett]

I think the use of the term bandwagoner is being bandied about here.

If the club is serving up crap and you dont want to pay to sit through it - not a bandwagoner.

If the team is going shit and you change teams you support - bandwagoner.

[snake]

some comparisons with the team back in 06-07 here.

the important difference between then and the current situation is that the team then scored goals and created chances. they had a go.

contrast that to this group of insipid mutts and i don't think the situations are comparable at all.

[hausmann]

You are defending the people who wish to desert the club in times of trouble.

The club has always been in trouble of some kind. It seems to me that you are using this "times of trouble" stand to just attack someone. I've got no problem with someone handing in their membership if the things the club is doing now aren't working for him. There's a lot of things that the club seems to stand for now that I don't agree with.

The players keep going on about how great the culture is in the playing squad, which would be great if such a culture was built around each other knowing how to tear other teams apart or if it was built around a determination to win, but I get the feeling that it is just built around themselves living the good life - train a bit, joke around, soak up some rays and insulate themselves from the pressure so they don't feel bad each time they lose.

Robbie Middleby and focus on meeting his KPIs which seems to have nothing to do with the team winning or achieving a high place on the ladder. The rest of the admin which seems to expect loyalty from the supporters but don't really do anything to earn it.

Post game interviews where it just doesn't seem like losing matters. It's all just technical issues about they way the players move around the pitch that caused the other team to place the ball between two posts and under another post into an area where it makes contact with some netting. They were able to do this more times than the Jets. Simple really. There's plenty of more games to come in which this scenario may or may not happen again.

In short, I sense a real emotional disconnect between the club and supporters and this is going to play out in different ways. Some may want to give up their memberships. Me, I'm thinking about potentially booing my own team every time I sense that they are not trying to win or don't seem to give a shit. I've never really done this but such is the emotional disconnect I sense at the moment.

[380]

Don't think i could ever bring myself to boo the players however both Mitchell and Neville i would make an exception.

I will save all my animosity for the bloke pretending to be a coach. Sooner the bloke can go back to be an order taker for fizzy drinks the better off the club will be.

[hausmann]

Don't think i could ever bring myself to boo the players however both Mitchell and Neville i would make an exception.

I will save all my anomosity for the bloke pretending to be a coach. Sooner the bloke can go back to be an order taker for fizzy drinks the better off the club will be.

Yeah I don't know if I will because it will set a bad example for my son. But it may be a spur of the moment thing.

[MFKS]

The club has always been in trouble of some kind. It seems to me that you are using this "times of trouble" stand to just attack someone. I've got no problem with someone handing in their membership if the things the club is doing now aren't working for him. There's a lot of things that the club seems to stand for now that I don't agree with.



Neither do I

If the bloke doesn't want to go don't go. Find something else to do or support the Mariners or join the RBB.


Coming back when we get a new coach / start winning just shows this bloke doesn't "get" what being a supporter is. My gripe with this bloke is his DENIAL of being a bandwagon fan when he so clearly is. Bloke has NFI

[hausmann]

Neither do I

If the bloke doesn't want to go don't go. Find something else to do or support the Mariners or join the RBB.


Coming back when we get a new coach / start winning just shows this bloke doesn't "get" what being a supporter is. My gripe with this bloke is his DENIAL of being a bandwagon fan when he so clearly is. Bloke has NFI

So what is an "Ideal Fan"? What is a "Bandwagoner"?

Whenever you place a label on someone, you do it for a reason. Either to make them part of the "in group" or an "outsider" or to control their behaviour in some way.

Truth is, life is better if you don't beat people up for the decisions they make. In fact, I think the "bandwagoner" has the better of the two situations. They can fade away from something when it bores them and return when it is exciting. They can spend their time doing things that make them happy and view a football club as merely one form of entertainment. Why should they be made to feel guilty for this?

If you want to stick by the team, then you are free to do so. Feel good in yourself for always being there, but if others fade in and out, why should that annoy you?

[Jeterpool]

So what is an "Ideal Fan"? What is a "Bandwagoner"?

Whenever you place a label on someone, you do it for a reason. Either to make them part of the "in group" or an "outsider" or to control their behaviour in some way.

Truth is, life is better if you don't beat people up for the decisions they make. In fact, I think the "bandwagoner" has the better of the two situations. They can fade away from something when it bores them and return when it is exciting. They can spend their time doing things that make them happy and view a football club as merely one form of entertainment. Why should they be made to feel guilty for this?

If you want to stick by the team, then you are free to do so. Feel good in yourself for always being there, but if others fade in and out, why should that annoy you?

That was a very good post

[Grimario]

So what is an "Ideal Fan"? What is a "Bandwagoner"?

Whenever you place a label on someone, you do it for a reason. Either to make them part of the "in group" or an "outsider" or to control their behaviour in some way.

Truth is, life is better if you don't beat people up for the decisions they make. In fact, I think the "bandwagoner" has the better of the two situations. They can fade away from something when it bores them and return when it is exciting. They can spend their time doing things that make them happy and view a football club as merely one form of entertainment. Why should they be made to feel guilty for this?

If you want to stick by the team, then you are free to do so. Feel good in yourself for always being there, but if others fade in and out, why should that annoy you?

You are missing one of the situations. The painfully cynical people like me who go anyway then gloat about constantly being right when we are shit.

Though tbf, I was almost mildly optimistic before round 1.

[Premy]

So what is an "Ideal Fan"? What is a "Bandwagoner"?

Whenever you place a label on someone, you do it for a reason. Either to make them part of the "in group" or an "outsider" or to control their behaviour in some way.

Truth is, life is better if you don't beat people up for the decisions they make. In fact, I think the "bandwagoner" has the better of the two situations. They can fade away from something when it bores them and return when it is exciting. They can spend their time doing things that make them happy and view a football club as merely one form of entertainment. Why should they be made to feel guilty for this?

If you want to stick by the team, then you are free to do so. Feel good in yourself for always being there, but if others fade in and out, why should that annoy you?

I grew up with a little thing called loyalty maybe people have a difference in opinion of what that word means then I do.

[Grimario]

I grew up with a little thing called loyalty maybe people have a difference in opinion of what that word means then I do.

So how else do you suggest people show dissatisfaction at the direction the club is going? A whole lot more blind faith and purchasing of memberships goes a long way to the board going "well, if Gary being absolutely shit isn't driving fans away, we might as well extend his contract another season because it's peanuts compared to a good coach." And if they don't extend him, are you going to be in a thread somewhere lambasting the club and going "I grew up with a little thing called loyalty" because of his departure?

[Grimario]

Also, I grew up on a little thing called accountability. If I did something wrong, I was taught to take ownership of that and accept the blame. Clearly not something GVE has ever done.

[hausmann]

I grew up with a little thing called loyalty maybe people have a difference in opinion of what that word means then I do.

Maybe the definition is the same, its just what they are loyal to that is different. Maybe they are loyal to their family and want to do fun activities with them in the Summer - dragging them along to game after game of "pass around the backs" football is not a fun exercise whereas taking them to the beach is.

[hausmann]

Friday night was the first night that the Jets players wore the city colours in a match. To don the emerald an cinnamon was symbolically significant and should have filled the players with with pride and inspired them to go above and beyond for the city. The rather insipid display that they put on is just evidence that such symbolic things don't mean anything to this team. No doubt there is nobody in the dressing room telling them why it is significant, nobody yelling something similar to "Queenslander" in their ear.

[Jetmaster]

I think this Sunday could be a big day...the rumbles are already there within the fans. If we perform with no balls again I can see the frustrated crowd turning on the team pretty quickly (remember the "what a load of rubbish" chant of the 70's?). There were bits of it in the last couple of games last season.

They MUST have a go to satisfy us they have turned the corner.

[Grimario]

They MUST have a go to satisfy us they have turned the corner.

The corner? Bridges is in, he will take it down there for us, no worries.

[Jetmaster]

The corner? Bridges is in, he will take it down there for us, no worries.

Yep - probably with 20 mins to go !

[Jeterpool]

The corner? Bridges is in, he will take it down there for us, no worries.

Franjic tried it on the weekend. Terrible. Needs to watch how Bridgey does it.

[Local Rules]

Yep - probably with 20 mins to go !

And probably when the score is 1-1.

[Local Rules]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1840850/bridges-to-give-jets-boost-after-injury/?cs=306#disqus_thread

Bridges to give Jets boost after injury By JAMES GARDINER Oct. 14, 2013, 10:30 p.m.TIME TO LAUNCH: Michael Bridges. Picture: Darren Pateman

VETERAN Englishman Michael Bridges is to be thrust into the Jets starting side and given the job of kick-starting the attack.

The 35-year-old missed the season-opening 2-0 loss to Sydney FC with groin soreness, but trained yesterday and barring a mishap will go into the XI for the home clash against Perth Glory on Sunday.


‘‘As long as he comes through training this week and is 100per cent, it is probably important that we find a spot for some experience in that front third,’’ Jets assistant coach Craig Deans said.
‘‘It gives the other players around him that extra bit of confidence,’’ Deans said.

Adam Taggart had a platelet-rich plasma injection in his knee on Saturday, resumes training tomorrow, and is confident of being right for Sunday.

Marquee striker Emile Heskey (knee) is at least a fortnight away from returning.

If fit, Taggart will again play at the point. Bridges will slot in behind the striker with Burns to shift to the right at the expense of James Virgili.

Virgili was the only player without Socceroos experience in the Jets’ front four against the Sky Blues.

Burns provided some nice touches but as a unit they lacked penetration, highlighted by their one shot on target.

Bridges had been a revelation with his creativity in the No.10 role in the pre-season until pulling up sore in the final intraclub trial a fortnight ago.

‘‘Bridgey would have started [against Sydney] if he was available,’’ Deans said.

The front third will be the main focus in the lead-up to Sunday clash against the Glory, who are coming off a round-one, 3-1 loss to a nine-man Adelaide.

‘‘Defensively there is not too many problems,’’ Deans said.

‘‘In the front third we didn’t score any goals.
‘‘We need to look at their area and what we can do to provide a bit more creativity.

‘‘The difference [on Friday] was the ability to take chances in the front third.

‘‘We need to be a lot more ruthless in the front third and have a little more aggression to make a difference when we get the ball in there.’’

Both Sydney goals came on the counter attack after the Jets had turned over possession with their fullbacks committed forward.

‘‘The second goal, in particular, you won’t see again from us,’’ Deans said.
‘‘When you do open yourself up to attack, if you turn the ball over like we did, it is difficult to get back from that.

‘‘It is one of the most important moments in football nowadays, transition moments.

Scott Neville and Kew Jaliens were also on light duties at training but Deans said it was a case of ‘‘managing their loads’’.

The Jets were in a similar predicament last season.

They lost the opening game 2-0 to Adelaide at Hunter Stadium, and bounced back with three straight wins.

‘‘Last year is last year,’’ Deans said.

‘‘If you worry about what happened then, you lose focus.

‘‘When you have such a long pre-season and such a big build up, to come away with a loss [in round one] was disappointing.


‘‘But there were a number of positives from it and we have to focus on them as much as the negative stuff.

‘‘Everyone is quite upbeat.’’

End of article






Do the words No Shit Sherlock mean anything to Deans. There are no problems defensively but we didn't score any goals. How the F&%k are you expected to win games if you don't score goals.

Also can we get some odds of us conceding another goal like the second one. I would say they are fairly short.

Maybe the title of this thread should have Craig added to the title if this is the crap he is going to feed to everyone. The only time I have seen shit spread this thick was when I needed manure for my garden.

[hausmann]

No problems defensively but they conceded two goals......

[Maito Mitch]

No problems defensively but they conceded two goals......

Through turnovers, not necessarily poor defence

But FFS... we WILL concede more goals exactly like the second goal on Friday. Would put the house on it

[Grimario]

Our problem isn't the final third. Our problem is the middle third transitioning in to the final third. Part of that might be because the final third is too static but we hardly ever get the fecking ball there in the first place.

Consider me sick to death of this final third BS.

[Jetmaster]

Our problem isn't the final third. Our problem is the middle third transitioning in to the final third. Part of that might be because the final third is too static but we hardly ever get the fecking ball there in the first place.

Consider me sick to death of this final third BS.

Very sensible point - the midfield passes laterally or backwards, nobody runs at the defence (like a good number 10 does) to occupy them whilst the front guys make the runs - ie Flores on Sunday, ADP both goals.

[joel31]

Our problem isn't the final third. Our problem is the middle third transitioning in to the final third. Part of that might be because the final third is too static but we hardly ever get the fecking ball there in the first place.

Consider me sick to death of this final third BS.
I noticed that when I was watching the A-League Highlights show yesterday. A few times we won the ball and instead of countering we took it forward into the middle third before passing around the back more

[hawk]

Our problem isn't the final third. Our problem is the middle third transitioning in to the final third. Part of that might be because the final third is too static but we hardly ever get the fecking ball there in the first place.
Consider me sick to death of this final third BS.

switch a long ball to front 3. works for gypos :)

[boz-monaut]

the gypos have never won a title

[My2BobsWorth]

Our problem isn't the final third. Our problem is the middle third transitioning in to the final third. Part of that might be because the final third is too static but we hardly ever get the fecking ball there in the first place.

Consider me sick to death of this final third BS.

You could have replaced Zad with Joey on Friday, only difference would have been Zad found touch more often

[MFKS]

the gypos have never won a title

Glad to see you corrected him Boz but can you edit his post and remove the blatant lies.

Myths like that should never be allowed to continue in any form

[Grimario]

Listening to the fourfourtwo podcast, starts off with our game discussion.

Gary's response is about 10:10 minutes in...


Oh look I think the front third. We need to start work on that front third in regards to their positioning, getting confidence into the two boys. I think their build up play from the back through the midfield was quite good but the next pass into the front third err aaahhh into the forward area was a concern and it never looked like it was going to stick and we pushed passes and never really got there so that's definitely something we need to work on.

So three final thirds and a forward area.

Can't get us into the final third, can't get us into the finals. GVE OUT.