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militiamon
22-06-2013, 12:08 PM
Waddup dawgs, thought it was time we started a thread on this, the most overhyped and ultimately meaningless FIFA tournament.


Group A
Spain
France
Ghana
United States

Group B
Portugal
South Korea
Cuba
Nigeria

Group C
Turkey
El Salvador
Colombia
Australia

Group D
Mexico
Greece
Paraguay
Mali

Group E
Chile
Egypt
England
Iraq

Group F
New Zealand
Uzbekistan
Uruguay
Croatia


SBS Coverage

COLOMBIA v AUSTRALIA
Sunday 23 June
LIVE 12.45am AEST on SBS 2 and streamed online

AUSTRALIA v EL SALVADOR
Wednesday 26 June
LIVE 12.45am AEST on SBS 2 and streamed online

AUSTRALIA v TURKEY
Saturday 29 June
LIVE 3.45am AEST on SBS 2 and streamed online

+ the Australian games if we qualify from the group stage

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SEMI-FINAL 1
Thursday 11 July
LIVE 12.45am AEST on SBS 2 and streamed online

SEMI-FINAL 2
Thursday 11 July
LIVE 3.45am AEST on SBS 2 and streamed online

FINAL
Sunday 14 July
LIVE 3.30am AEST on SBS 2 and streamed online


Important to note that there's no Brazil or Argentina in this tournament.
I predict Spain to win in straight sets.

militiamon
22-06-2013, 12:12 PM
Results so far:

Group A
Spain 4 - US 1
France 3 - Ghana 1

Group B
South Korea 2 - Cuba 1
Portugal 3 - Nigeria 2

militiamon
22-06-2013, 12:25 PM
At first glance it would seem we've got a pretty easy group:

Turkey - only qualified because it's the host nation. Didn't even make it to the UEFA U19 Championship, so they would appear to be the easiest UEFA team to have drawn. Lost to Greece and Denmark in qualification.
El Salvador - finished 3rd in the CONCACAF U20 Championship, only beat Cuba out of the 4 CONCACAF teams.
Colombia - the best team in the group, they finished 1st in the CONMEBOL qualifying.

So basically Colombia is the only strong team in the group, we should really be aiming to beat Turkey and El Salvador. Keep in mind that the best 4 3rd placed teams from the group stage qualify for the next round as well.

That said, who knows what will happen with Paul Okon in charge, I gather that the bloke is like the Craig Deans of the Australian national team.


AUSTRALIAN SQUAD

Terry ANTONIS ----> Replaced with Hagi GLIGOR due to injury
Anthony BOUZANIS (gk)
Joshua BRILLANTE
Reece CAIRA
Connor CHAPMAN
Daniel De SILVA
James DONACHIE
Jack DUNCAN (gk)
Ryan EDWARDS
Scott GALLOWAY
Corey GAMEIRO
Jason GERIA
Curtis GOOD
Andrew HOOLE
Jackson IRVINE
Paul IZZO (gk)
Jamie MACLAREN
Connor PAIN
Adam TAGGART
David VRANKOVIC
Ryan WILLIAMS

militiamon
22-06-2013, 12:51 PM
Big talking point for our campaign so far has been the exclusion of Amini on the grounds of being fat and unfit. Amini disagrees.


Amini not buying Okon's reasons for omission

Shattered Young Socceroos midfielder Mustafa Amini has questioned coach Paul Okon's motives in leaving him out of his 21-man squad for this month's FIFA U-20 World Cup in Turkey.

The Borussia Dortmund rookie was informed by Okon that he did not think he was fit enough for the tournament, a claim Amini, 20, vehemently disputes.

With his omission still sinking in seven days after it was revealed he had failed to make the cut, Amini – back home in Australia to catch up with family and friends – told The World Game: "My fitness is fine. I played 81 minutes of our match against the Netherlands Under-21s (a 3-1 loss on 25 May) and I think I was one of our better players.

"I got 40 minutes in our 2-2 draw against Germany (1 June in Cyprus) and I was dreaming about being a part of our World Cup campaign.

"I put off my holidays to be a part of this and I am really disappointed and surprised not to have been picked. The message I got from Paul Okon was that I wasn't fit enough – but that's not the case.

"When Paul Okon called me to say he wasn't going to take me it was a huge blow - I felt sick in the stomach. I honestly don't really understand why I wasn't selected.

"There was a thing about my fitness. I had a blood test after not sleeping for the best part of two days following the Holland match, because I was part of the Dortmund party which went to Wembley for the European Champions League final the next day, and it was full on for 48 hours.

"Then I flew to Cyprus (to link up with the Young Socceroos) and had the test. Of course after not sleeping for two days my blood won't be the same as everybody elses and that was the excuse I was given.

"Paul Okon also mentioned my skin fold tests, but I am an on different program at Dortmund where you bulk up then you trim down afterwards.

"I proved my fitness in that Holland game. We had a week in Cyprus after that and I did well when I came on against Germany, so fitness-wise there were no issues at all."

Amini's lack of game time towards the end of last season at Dortmund was also queried by Okon, but the former Central Coast Mariners star explained: "It's a professional league with crowds of 10,000 sometimes and you have first teamers who have played with us throughout the year. It's not easy just to come in from Australia and break through.

"Jurgen Klopp (Dortmund coach) has told me personally just to keep working hard and I will go back soon and be fresh for pre-season and ready to go.

"A lot of the players who were keeping me out are over 23 now and will move on and now my chance will come to get more game time and hopefully push on towards the first team at some stage.

"But everybody knows that Dortmund's first team is one of the best in the world, so of course it's a big challenge for me."

Amini, who played 14 times for Dortmund II in the third tier of German football in his debut season in 2012-2103 and has 23 Young Socceroos caps, burst onto the international scene at the U-20 World Cup in Colombia two years ago while still with the Mariners.

"Back then I was younger than a lot of the boys but this time I thought I was more than ready and determined to make an impression in Turkey and show people what I can do on a big stage," he added.

"I have been part of the system for so long, and this is tough to take. A lot of my team-mates were as surprised as I am by me not being picked.

"If he (Okon) has a personal problem with me I wish he had told me, rather than just telling me I am not fit."

Okon echoed his view that Amini was not in the condition for a demanding international tournament on Soccer Stoppage Time radio three days ago.

He could not be contacted by TWG on Wednesday evening.

On the path ahead, Amini added: "My 12 months in Germany have been really enjoyable and a pretty steep learning curve.

"But I can confidently say I have developed my game and that will hopefully continue.

"I'm open minded about the journey and understand that to get to the top it takes time - and time is what I have."

The Young Socceroos head to Turkey pre-tournament training camp in Antalya where they will play Chile’s U-20 side on Sunday 16 June before beginning their 2013 FIFA U-20 World Cup campaign against Colombia in Trabzon on Saturday 22 June (Sunday 23 June - Kick-off 1am AEST).

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/FIFA-U-20-World-Cup/news/1155885/Amini-not-buying-Okon-s-reasons-for-omission

Big call given that he is surely one of the best players skills-wise in the team. He was also one of the guys who played in the 2011 edition (along with Antonis and Gameiro) who people were saying "well they'll be even better for 2013", so something has gone awry.

Most worrying thing for me is that we don't appear to have many playmakers/creative players in the team. I see some intelligent and strong defenders (Chapman and Good), some sharp finishers (Taggart, Gameiro), and some hard workers in midfield (Brillante, Gligor), but no one who really fits the description of an attacking midfielder. The only name I see on that list is Hoole, which would be funny considering he wasn't even a prospect in these set ups 12 months ago.

q-money
22-06-2013, 01:34 PM
what has gligor been doing with farina to make him a better choice than amini? one would hope it involved running up sand dunes with a tire strapped to his back or something like this

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-shOv7DBSx4U/Ts0MY0MIFsI/AAAAAAAABtk/gxKDc-Bts8Q/s320/rocky-balboa.jpg

doesn't one of these blokes not even have a club at the moment?

militiamon
22-06-2013, 02:29 PM
:yap:

I did like Amini's excuse though:

"Paul Okon also mentioned my skin fold tests, but I am an on different program at Dortmund where you bulk up then you trim down afterwards"

au revoir
22-06-2013, 05:15 PM
militiamon thread (y)

q-money
22-06-2013, 05:21 PM
lol

MFKS
22-06-2013, 08:03 PM
Militia as for Amini

What sort of whining whinging git thinks whinging to the press is a good idea after being overlooked for a NT. A ****ing GYPO

Anyone with half a brain and any class would take it on the chin and move on. Even if they have some gripes keep them to themselves and not sprout them via the media. When this blokes name comes up for Socceroo/Olyroo selection do you think this little episode won't be held against him?? ****ing oath it will. Coaches don't want undisciplined whiny players to deal with who forsake the team ethic and principles.

I am with Okon for this. The Gypos mouth is overweight at the least

Grimario
22-06-2013, 08:28 PM
doesn't one of these blokes not even have a club at the moment?

Pretty sure neither Gameiro or Maclaren have clubs at the moment. Gameiro was on loan at Nix, released by Fulham and Maclaren was released by Blackburn, I think.

Imyourhero
22-06-2013, 08:30 PM
Pick Gameiro up for sure

militiamon
22-06-2013, 08:39 PM
Pretty sure neither Gameiro or Maclaren have clubs at the moment. Gameiro was on loan at Nix, released by Fulham and Maclaren was released by Blackburn, I think.

I thought Gameiro had already committed to the Nix for another season? Will dig the article up in a sec.

Edit: My bad, du has said he will stay in the A-League, but hasn't picked a club yet. Tbh I wouldn't be too fussed about going for him, we've already got Taggart, and he's going to be competing with the likes of Heskey, Virgili, Brown, and this Joey Gibbs fellow.

Btw our first game is on tonight if people hadn't gotten that from my previous posts. Kick-off at 1.00 am on SBS2 vs Colombia.

Grimario
22-06-2013, 09:01 PM
Edit: My bad, du has said he will stay in the A-League, but hasn't picked a club yet. Tbh I wouldn't be too fussed about going for him, we've already got Taggart, and he's going to be competing with the likes of Heskey, Virgili, Brown, and this Joey Gibbs fellow.

Honestly don't know why we don't just get rid of Heskey and Bridges, get Gameiro and Maclaren in. Front 4 of Goodwin, Gamerio, Taggart and Maclaren = awesome resale value.

militiamon
22-06-2013, 09:31 PM
Is that you Gary?

MFKS
22-06-2013, 09:33 PM
You two are forgetting someone.

I am pretty stoked with our front line options with Heskey, Taggz, the impending arrival of KB:fap:. We also have Gibbs and Briges if need be can play up front.

This area I think we have pretty well covered. Same with our Keeping stocks if Birraz stays fit.:sup:

The Defence lack of leader /Midfield ACTUAL CLASS worry me.

What also worries me is Tinks financial situation

What really worries me though is that GVE RM and Deans still have jobs at HSG

militiamon
22-06-2013, 09:43 PM
Kale Bradbery and Robbie Middleby. I think we can now add this one to the archives boys :cool:

I assume The Member will not be watching this one on moral grounds due to Kale not being selected?

I must admit I don't have that kind of strength, the allure of Brillante's beard is too much:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Joshua_Brilliante_2013.jpg/396px-Joshua_Brilliante_2013.jpg

MFKS
22-06-2013, 09:53 PM
Kale Bradbery and Robbie Middleby. I think we can now add this one to the archives boys :cool:

I assume The Member will not be watching this one on moral grounds due to Kale not being selected?

I must admit I don't have that kind of strength, the allure of Brillante's beard is too much:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Joshua_Brilliante_2013.jpg/396px-Joshua_Brilliante_2013.jpg

Beards great

But the poor mans Ibrahimović hair do is doing it for me

It is gonna be compelling as the time passes for it to reach maturity:sup:

goaliepersempre
22-06-2013, 10:37 PM
Amini = lazy player. Thus not picked.

Grimario
23-06-2013, 12:01 AM
Starting XI: Izzo; Geria, Chapman, Good, Galloway; Irvine, Brillante; Hoole, De Silva, Pain; Taggart

Jackson Irvine, pretty much taken the place of the former prospect that was Kantarovski, captaining the side. Already in Europe too, no need to trial at Bayern (even though it is with Celtic). Has made on appearance off the bench and is captain of their U20, I think.

FOUR JERKS!

pv4
23-06-2013, 12:58 AM
Chapman basically our only player to wear black boots. At least one of them has the right idea

pv4
23-06-2013, 12:59 AM
Gameiro and Ryan Williams on the bench, decent super subs!

BodyNovo
23-06-2013, 01:00 AM
Brilliantes beard phwoarre

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:00 AM
Taggart ruins an amazing early chance to counter high

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:03 AM
That Columbian attacking mid, is it number 10? Dat cut pass he's got going :wub:

BodyNovo
23-06-2013, 01:04 AM
Quintero some player

Grimario
23-06-2013, 01:05 AM
Some amazing hair on display.

BodyNovo
23-06-2013, 01:07 AM
Taggart ffs look across the line

Premy
23-06-2013, 01:07 AM
Get onside. No10 some player

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:08 AM
I fully expect Izzo to cost us at least two goals tonight

BodyNovo
23-06-2013, 01:10 AM
Although he has done little so far. Hoole is class. Can see him making the step up this year permanently

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:14 AM
Not worried about Taggart getting caught offside a few times tbh. He'll catch them out eventually

Imyourhero
23-06-2013, 01:15 AM
When my baby looks at me i go to Ri....TURKEEYY!

militiamon
23-06-2013, 01:16 AM
Liking what I see so far. The Beard, Omg. Lol, yes pv4 I made similar comments to stretch about Izzo

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:16 AM
Speaking of being a kitnerd, what's the freaking go. In local football, keepers HAVE to wear the same socks as their teams. This Columbia keeper has red shirt and shorts on, and the only thing he doesn't have on as red is his socks - which his team do.

Brillante's beard, and run :wub:

Imyourhero
23-06-2013, 01:18 AM
Pain is class. Should have finished that though.

Premy
23-06-2013, 01:19 AM
Claims for a pen

militiamon
23-06-2013, 01:19 AM
The Beard, Hoole and Chapman all looking the goods so far. Brillante especially... Ffs layed on a perfect chance just then

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:21 AM
I'll never refer to Brillante by anything except "The Beard" or "Beard" from now on. He's a modern-day Snood (aka Daniel Laiman) - the people's champion.

Grimario
23-06-2013, 01:22 AM
That ball by Beardie was amazing. Pain should have done better but we aren't looking outclassed at all.

militiamon
23-06-2013, 01:22 AM
Getting a bit of Spanish study in with this crowd (or lack of). Venga venga venga.

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:23 AM
Preseason last year for the Jerks I was super impressed with Brillante. I gave him huge wraps for his mostly-second-half appearances he made against the state league clubs. I never predicted he'd be doing the things he's doing now though - he's freaking excellent

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:27 AM
Check out their centrebacks - they're so quick!

Something all Australian national teams have lacked forever

Note: spoken by a slow centre back

Imyourhero
23-06-2013, 01:28 AM
Taggart struggling to get his passing range etc atm

Grimario
23-06-2013, 01:28 AM
It almost makes me think GVE might know what he is doing. You would have to imagine that these 4 are going to be regulars next season... throw in Birra, Goodwin, Gallaway (wtf, seriously), Caramello and Rubez... that's pretty decent sounding.


Wait, we had them last year and he turned them into turd. Clueless git.

Grimario
23-06-2013, 01:29 AM
Also, how good does Da Silva look?

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:29 AM
Did the ref just use fake Spiderman web to draw a line for the wall to stand behind?

Grimario
23-06-2013, 01:29 AM
Foam! The lols.

BodyNovo
23-06-2013, 01:30 AM
That foam

Premy
23-06-2013, 01:30 AM
Chapman basically our only player to wear black boots. At least one of them has the right idea

Commentator agrees with you as do I color boots = good target

Grimario
23-06-2013, 01:30 AM
Apparently the foam is used every single weekend in the MLS...

militiamon
23-06-2013, 01:30 AM
I dunno if it's the lack of football I've seen lately but this match has been excellent so far, very entertaining. Apart from the aforementioned players I've also been impressed with this da Silva kid. Comes out of nowhere but is doing a great job imo. Lol Grim beat me to it

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:31 AM
foam party!!!!

http://feminspire.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Foam-Party-Shower.jpeg

Grimario
23-06-2013, 01:32 AM
Also, how good does Da Silva look?


I dunno if it's the lack of football I've seen lately but this match has been excellent so far, very entertaining. Apart from the aforementioned players I've also been impressed with this da Silva kid. Comes out of nowhere but is doing a great job imo.

He was aforementioned :gent:

Premy
23-06-2013, 01:33 AM
Magic get a mention lol

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:33 AM
Commentator agrees with you as do I color boots = good target

#copacrew

Imyourhero
23-06-2013, 01:33 AM
The refs spidey senses are tingling

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:38 AM
I dunno if it's the lack of football I've seen lately but this match has been excellent so far, very entertaining.

I agree. The pace we're playing at, and holding our own for, has been really surprising tbh.

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:39 AM
That foam

I don't think I'll ever get used to it

Grimario
23-06-2013, 01:40 AM
Izzo doing the bizzo and showing pv4 what's what.

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:41 AM
Izzo doing the bizzo and showing pv4 what's what.

:rof:

He nearly BK'd* it though




* turning what should be a routine save from a FK into a near-goal, or goal (see: Sydney FC vs Jerks second game of the season last year). PS Biraz :wub:

Grimario
23-06-2013, 01:43 AM
:rof:

He nearly BK'd* it though

Then he did an unBK and actually came out from a corner and CAUGHT IT.

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:44 AM
I really didn't rate that Geria kid from what I saw of him for MV. Who are our other options for RB (apart from The Beard)?

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:45 AM
How many games do you see with no stoppage time for a half?

Premy
23-06-2013, 01:46 AM
Hoole at RB

steve136
23-06-2013, 01:47 AM
So Tagz doesn't appear to have much idea what's going on.
Hoole and Brillante look solid on the other hand.

Sounds like there's a little foam in the commentary box every time Quintero gets the ball.

steve136
23-06-2013, 01:47 AM
Hoole at RB
Hoole's attacking talents are a little wasted at RB don't you think?

Grimario
23-06-2013, 01:48 AM
I really didn't rate that Geria kid from what I saw of him for MV. Who are our other options for RB (apart from The Beard)?

Do we have any in that age bracket? Maybe Risdon at Perf?

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:51 AM
Not sure Risdon's age, but he's been phenomenal for Perth.

I think Taggz is going OK. He's getting caught off a lot, but he's also getting in behind their quick defenders and he only needs that one lucky break to put us ahead. In saying that, I fully expect Okon to replace him in the next 10-15mins for Ryan Williams who by all reports was immense in Wollongong v NZ

evolution
23-06-2013, 01:51 AM
Speaking of being a kitnerd, what's the freaking go. In local football, keepers HAVE to wear the same socks as their teams. This Columbia keeper has red shirt and shorts on, and the only thing he doesn't have on as red is his socks - which his team do.

Pretty sure the sock thing is a local rule, not a FIFA rule.

FWIW I wear different socks to the rest of my team and no one has ever said a word to me. Have a pair of team socks in the kitbag just in case though.

Side note: I almost had to change my keeper jersey a few weeks back because I was wearing almost the same colour as the opposition keeper... first time I've heard that one!

Grimario
23-06-2013, 01:51 AM
Ahahah, Fozzie. Hilarious comments.

Grimario
23-06-2013, 01:52 AM
Not sure Risdon's age, but he's been phenomenal for Perth.

I think Taggz is going OK. He's getting caught off a lot, but he's also getting in behind their quick defenders and he only needs that one lucky break to put us ahead. In saying that, I fully expect Okon to replace him in the next 10-15mins for Ryan Williams who by all reports was immense in Wollongong v NZ

Risdon is already 20... turns 21 next month, so assuming that makes him too old.

militiamon
23-06-2013, 01:52 AM
La Barba :cool:

pv4
23-06-2013, 01:56 AM
Pretty sure the sock thing is a local rule, not a FIFA rule.

FWIW I wear different socks to the rest of my team and no one has ever said a word to me. Have a pair of team socks in the kitbag just in case though.

Side note: I almost had to change my keeper jersey a few weeks back because I was wearing almost the same colour as the opposition keeper... first time I've heard that one!

Yeah it just seems interesting that the local league is near obsessed with the rule, yet internationally it seems they demand the opposite.

Also seems crazy that the local league can harp on about SKINS needing to be the same colour as shorts "because it's a FIFA rule" yet do the opposite to FIFA for gk socks.

Pretty sure the away keeper needs to change if he clashes with either teams outfield, or the opposition goalkeeper. Most refs wouldn't care though.

Grimario
23-06-2013, 01:59 AM
How good is bootsa? Nicest bloke. And doesn't sound like a deranged lunatic like some of the third panel members they get on here.

Grimario
23-06-2013, 02:01 AM
Yewwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!

pv4
23-06-2013, 02:02 AM
How was he not aforementioned?

:rof:

evolution
23-06-2013, 02:02 AM
Yeah it just seems interesting that the local league is near obsessed with the rule, yet internationally it seems they demand the opposite.

Also seems crazy that the local league can harp on about SKINS needing to be the same colour as shorts "because it's a FIFA rule" yet do the opposite to FIFA for gk socks.

Pretty sure the away keeper needs to change if he clashes with either teams outfield, or the opposition goalkeeper. Most refs wouldn't care though.

Yeah I agree, it's bullshit that they can get so carried away with something so trivial.

I carry a spare jersey just in case, never had to use it but I'd rather just change and save an argument.

seldom
23-06-2013, 02:02 AM
De Silva rewards for a great 1st half...

newi24-2-08
23-06-2013, 02:02 AM
how good was that ball from hooley

pv4
23-06-2013, 02:06 AM
Quintero just cuts us to pieces

newi24-2-08
23-06-2013, 02:09 AM
Quintero just cuts us to pieces

we need a ruben zakovich in front of the pain and chapman to cut him to pieves

Grimario
23-06-2013, 02:10 AM
pv4, eating humble pie yet again.

pv4
23-06-2013, 02:13 AM
pv4, eating humble pie yet again.

Hey, Militia is in on it with me too.

There's still 30mins for the implosion to happen

Premy
23-06-2013, 02:23 AM
Get that geara off

Grimario
23-06-2013, 02:23 AM
This commentator... calling it offside from a throw in when it was a hold from Hoole. Muppet.

pv4
23-06-2013, 02:24 AM
This commentator... calling it offside from a throw in when it was a hold from Hoole. Muppet.

Offside from a throwin :rof:

And this, ladies & gents, is why I watch games on mute - to avoid idiotic commentators

Premy
23-06-2013, 02:25 AM
Why didnt Hoole put his foot threw it

pv4
23-06-2013, 02:26 AM
Get that geara off

Even though I said earlier I didn't rate him at MV, he seems to be going OK tonight though. A tad shaky at times but he's putting in the hard yards.

I can see why Okon didn't want Amini in the squad - our midfield haven't stopped running all day, and Amini is probably the laziest player to choose from to put in there.

pv4
23-06-2013, 02:29 AM
Freekicks aren't even fun when he doesn't bother with the foam

Grimario
23-06-2013, 02:33 AM
That was some passing there. Lovely goal.

pv4
23-06-2013, 02:33 AM
Looked like Good jumped his man and Chapman was left to deal with the mess he left behind

steve136
23-06-2013, 02:33 AM
feck

pv4
23-06-2013, 02:37 AM
Kinda like the Socceroos v Japan the other week. Weren't expecting any points, and if at the start of the game you were offered 1 point you would have jumped on it. But after the game, you couldn't help but feel the 3 points were in the bag.

Although the difference is this Aus side actually looked deserving of 3 points, or even a point, whereas the NT vs Japan did not

pv4
23-06-2013, 02:39 AM
FFS the beard is everywhere. No wonder you're cramping up bud

pv4
23-06-2013, 02:43 AM
:rof: Good trying to cost us another goal

steve136
23-06-2013, 02:44 AM
:rof: Good trying to cost us another goal

good recovery

pv4
23-06-2013, 02:44 AM
Since when have any of our national teams one-two'd like that?

pv4
23-06-2013, 02:47 AM
It's alright Hoole - we didn't want the ball in a great position anyway

pv4
23-06-2013, 02:52 AM
Way, way better than I expected. If that's our "hard" team in the group, I fully expect us to get through the group stage.

Chapman looked solid, particularly when moving forward
The Beard was a monster - MoM for me for sure. Can not believe how much he's come on.
Hoole was great - although a few personality/temper issues turned his game a little sour at the end (basically just man-handling people & giving away needless fouls). If he calms himself, he could be terrific.
Taggz looked good, just didn't get the right balls. It didn't help his cause that their defence was amazing, and matched his pace.

militiamon
23-06-2013, 03:10 AM
Phone died for the second half, but for those who missed it - this was the best I've seen an Australian youth team play in the last 5 years or so of watching them. And when I say best I mean we were ****ing outstanding.

Foz nailed it at the end. Colombia played well because they had good players, especially the no. 10 Quintero who was an absolute beast. We played better because of our system and style was superior.

Back pv4 and other people's calls in this thread about the players 100%. The Beard was an animal, like a majestic lion brought up in one of those illegal farms by some fat American, caged for years with only the capuchin monkeys to keep him company, until one day he was released into the world :wub:

parksey
23-06-2013, 10:27 AM
What sort of whining whinging git thinks whinging to the press is a good idea after being overlooked for a NT.


ljubo milicevic

WolfMan
23-06-2013, 12:43 PM
Phone died for the second half, but for those who missed it - this was the best I've seen an Australian youth team play in the last 5 years or so of watching them. And when I say best I mean we were ****ing outstanding.

Foz nailed it at the end. Colombia played well because they had good players, especially the no. 10 Quintero who was an absolute beast. We played better because of our system and style was superior.

Back pv4 and other people's calls in this thread about the players 100%. The Beard was an animal, like a majestic lion brought up in one of those illegal farms by some fat American, caged for years with only the capuchin monkeys to keep him company, until one day he was released into the world :wub:

+1. Well said

belchardo
23-06-2013, 01:44 PM
really impressed. passing was good, formation was good. we just got a bit tired towards the end i feel.

and it's good to see that our players are actually good, it's just GVE's shitness that brings them down.

q-money
23-06-2013, 02:03 PM
unbelievable hey

militiamon
23-06-2013, 02:08 PM
Can defs see now why Amini wasn't picked for the squad. Even as a sub I don't think he would have been fit enough to play the way Okon has the team playing.

brb off to eat some humble pie :o

MFKS
23-06-2013, 03:33 PM
Perfect reason to **** GVE off now. Apparently our players can ACTUALLY play. They are just mind ****ed out of it by a fool in charge.

**** Deans Off too while we are at it.

Lets try something different and have no coach. We can't go much worse

joel31
24-06-2013, 11:34 AM
Perfect reason to **** GVE off now. Apparently our players can ACTUALLY play. They are just mind ****ed out of it by a fool in charge.

**** Deans Off too while we are at it.

Lets try something different and have no coach. We can't go much worse
We were starting to play football before Heskey came along

pv4
24-06-2013, 11:36 AM
We were starting to play football before Heskey came along

I still don't understand where people are heading with this argument. The entire season before last, GvE was being played on repeat when he said we needed a target man. We got the best target man this league has seen (honourable mention to Sibon, Babalj & Harnwell lolol).

If we got the man the coach was after, and then played a worse style - isn't the even more of a reflection on the coach that he hasn't managed his team correctly?

pv4
25-06-2013, 08:25 AM
Is the next game tonight?

belchardo
25-06-2013, 08:28 AM
yep. v El Salvador

GazFish35
25-06-2013, 08:40 AM
1:00 am

militiamon
25-06-2013, 01:04 PM
Quite keen for this. Biggest test for us will be ensuring that we keep our feet on the ground after last match. Play in the same way and the result will follow.

I personally wouldn't like to see any changes really. Gameiro in for Taggart is probably the only one that some people might be asking for, but I think Taggart did a great job in the last game. His hold-up play was what brought others into the game, and I think he's a lot sharper in tight spaces.

Imyourhero
25-06-2013, 03:59 PM
My only issue with Taggart from the last game was that it took him a large chunk of the game to find his passing range and timing his movements, however all this could be down to him being overly excited/nervous about one of the biggest games he's played so far in his career. If he had gotten that passing range etc together in the early stages he could have definetly bagged himself a few goals and assists. I would be very keen on seeing Gameiro too.
One of the biggest challenges for young players across the game is maintaining consistency so i hope Okon is really getting on top of the boys attitudes towards the game.

seldom
25-06-2013, 04:13 PM
Yeah Taggart was isolated at times and was marked by a couple of decent CBs.Think he'll show more tonight

belchardo
25-06-2013, 04:45 PM
Yeah Taggart was isolated at times and was marked by a couple of decent CBs.Think he'll show more tonight

lets hope so. need to get him in the shop window so that we can get him away from GVE before he has a chance to destroy him.

we should also make a tidy transfer fee from him like we did with R.Griff...oh, wait...

plague
25-06-2013, 07:41 PM
we should also make a tidy transfer fee from him like we did with R.Griff...oh, wait...

bhahahahahahhahah.
Lovely.

Wilso8948
25-06-2013, 08:29 PM
Soo keen on watching the game. So not keen on waiting up till 1am with work tomoz..

militiamon
26-06-2013, 01:02 AM
Anyone without a job up watching this? Drinking game could surely be made out of the references to Brillante's beard

ToddG NBUnited
26-06-2013, 01:09 AM
get in!!!

Imyourhero
26-06-2013, 01:10 AM
Brillante with a ****ing bomb!

ToddG NBUnited
26-06-2013, 01:10 AM
**** i was even going to put money on the first goal being in the first 10

militiamon
26-06-2013, 01:10 AM
BRILLANTE!!!! Far out, this guy, this beard

militiamon
26-06-2013, 01:14 AM
Just randomly, don't rate Good much. Chapman a much better defender.

ToddG NBUnited
26-06-2013, 01:17 AM
was thinking the same thing earlier, it's seems as if good is a bit lazy.

militiamon
26-06-2013, 01:19 AM
Terrible defending. There's your Izzo Grimario. I was about to say though, don't really deserve to be a goal up, haven't created anything in 20 mins.

ToddG NBUnited
26-06-2013, 01:21 AM
good almost ****ed that move up too. newy boys teaming up not a bad effort from tags.

Imyourhero
26-06-2013, 01:24 AM
Poor attempt by Izzo at stopping that goal....i mean NO attempt...

militiamon
26-06-2013, 01:25 AM
Yeah, our definite weakness at this point is our defence, specifically the back 4 + gk. Good plus the left and right backs in particular don't fill me with confidence.

Imyourhero
26-06-2013, 01:27 AM
Just give the ball to Pain, bloody hell he can dribble.

ToddG NBUnited
26-06-2013, 01:28 AM
**** chapman should of buried that

Imyourhero
26-06-2013, 01:32 AM
Taggart struggling to get into the game.

ToddG NBUnited
26-06-2013, 01:38 AM
ican't see tags staying on for much of the 2nd half if he doesn't start getting into it a bit

ToddG NBUnited
26-06-2013, 01:40 AM
****ing ****s

ToddG NBUnited
26-06-2013, 01:41 AM
who was meat to be marking the scorer, not so Good

militiamon
26-06-2013, 01:41 AM
El Salvador much stronger tactically than Colombia who I thought pushed wayyy too high against us. De Silva has barely seen the ball.

Shit, 2-1 them.

Imyourhero
26-06-2013, 01:46 AM
Curits Good having a shocker.

militiamon
26-06-2013, 01:52 AM
Started OK but I think it's been mostly downhill since their first goal. It doesn't look like we were prepared to fight for it as much as we need to. They've defended very well imo, shut down our front third completely.

boz-monaut
26-06-2013, 02:44 AM
you do have to remember that this is a team with a lot of players coached at club level by GVE

they're quite adept at being totally ineffective

militiamon
26-06-2013, 03:24 AM
lol, felt a bit like a Jets game overall too. 60% possession, but nothing much to show for it in attack.

I think Foz summed it up best in his post-match analysis. Tonight's game was the complete opposite of the Colombia match. With Colombia we were up against an opponent who were throwing bodies forward like crazy (a lot of the time they were defending against us in a 4-2-4 formation), and they were always competing with us for the ball. El Salvador was the opposite, they let us play out freely from the back, but marked the shit out of our midfield and front third so that we had only 1 option going forward.

Now normally the solution to that kind of problem is to hold onto the ball, build attacks carefully, and create space through movement (a la Barca against all the shitbag teams they come up against in the Champions League). At first the players appeared to be down with that, but I think they showed their inexperience when they got frustrated by it too quickly and resorted to more direct methods which were easier to shut down.

A bit silly to focus on individual performances when the result was 90% due to the way the whole team played, but once again I thought Brillante was outstanding. He had a period of 20 or so minutes either side of the half where he dropped off a bit, passes went astray, etc. but apart from that I was very impressed by him. I think his positioning is always intelligent, he always leaves himself open as the third man which worked a treat for our goal, and his passing is even sharper, usually one touch and he knows where he's going to pass it before it reaches him. Actually that's probably the best way to sum him up, intelligent on the ball and off it.

Chapman was alright, I've never thought his strong suit is defending and tonight didn't really change that, but he's a real, classic leader from the back. It baffles me how Good was picked as captain ahead of him, I'm now certain the bloke is rubbish. He could've sat on the bench of Real Madrid for all I care, he's a much stupider player and consistently error prone.

Taggart was ok, I still don't think we're seeing the best from him purely because of problems further down the pitch. Hoole was the weakest of the Newy contingent tonight, I thought he was one of our shitter players overall, especially in the second half where I think he may have given the ball away every time he got it. Should've been subbed much earlier, I think the occasion had well and truly gotten to him, and in fairness you can't expect much when he's got 2 - 3 defenders on him in a second every time he got the ball.

Imyourhero
26-06-2013, 12:03 PM
Okon waited too long for all 3 changes.

militiamon
26-06-2013, 12:41 PM
I agree from the POV that it would have been nice for the subs to get experience. It is a youth tournament after all, it doesn't make sense for half the squad not to play.

On the other hand though it was pretty clear that when he did make the changes they had sfa impact on the game. The problems were purely tactical, not personnel.

militiamon
26-06-2013, 03:37 PM
Tears. More tears. The players cry. The fans cry. The coaching staff cry. The leaders cry. Stephane Lannoy, the French referee, blows the final whistle. Some Salvadoran footballers collapse from emotion, others raise their arms, pump their fists, hug each other or thank heaven. They know that they have just been protaganists of history: the first Salvadoran victory in a World Cup. The electronic scoreboard of Rize - blessed city from henceforth - attests: Australia 1-2 El Salvador. And below, the names of the two heroes and minutes of their respective deeds: Diego Coca (17'), José Peña (40').

http://www.edhdeportes.com/index.php/categoria-seleccion-de-futbol/133-seleccion-sub20/8264-para-la-historia

:gent:

In other news, that Quintero kid scored a cracking goal in Colombia's 1-0 win over Turkey. Possession looked like 60 - 40 in Turkey's favour, doesn't surprise me at all based on how Colombia played against us.
http://www.fifa.com/u20worldcup/highlights/video/video=2119518/index.html


The position we're in now is - win and we're guaranteed to go through to the next round, lose or draw and we're guaranteed to be out.
If we win we'll almost certainly finish 2nd in the group*.
This would then set us up with a match against the runner up of group A (a.k.a The real Group of Death), which is likely to be either France or the US.


*only way we won't is if Colombia lose to El Salvador by 1 goal, but still score more than us against Turkey, in which case we'd finish 3rd but still go through.

Jetmaster
26-06-2013, 07:52 PM
If you don't win one of your games in the first round you don't deserve to go through (yeah, I know Italy once won a World Cup doing that).

hawk
26-06-2013, 11:30 PM
We probs dont deserve to go through now. Just reasserts our over inflated view of our skillset.

MFKS
27-06-2013, 08:46 AM
Didn't catch the game

Any reports on how Brillante's poor mans Ibra hair do has developed since the weekend??

Still coming along well??

Wilso8948
27-06-2013, 10:04 AM
Didn't catch the game

Any reports on how Brillante's poor mans Ibra hair do has developed since the weekend??

Still coming along well??
Needs more lube

plague
27-06-2013, 12:54 PM
Didn't catch the game

Any reports on how Brillante's poor mans Ibra hair do has developed since the weekend??

Still coming along well??

His goal made it onto the prime time ESPN Sportcenter.
Which I guess is kind of a thing.


ESPN Sportscenter has never mentioned Middleby ever.

militiamon
27-06-2013, 01:23 PM
lol plague

Imyourhero
28-06-2013, 05:24 PM
Crappy time for our last game, dissapointed i cannot watch. Does anyone know if SBS play a replay of the game? How does everyone think we will go against Turkey?

militiamon
28-06-2013, 05:41 PM
Turkey only need a draw to go through to the next round. I won't be feeling confident if it's 0-0 at half-time, or worse still if they're ahead.

Premy
29-06-2013, 04:23 AM
Fecking Gameiro butchered that. Needs more Hoole

BodyNovo
29-06-2013, 05:22 AM
Josh hamma brilliante

Honestly needs more hoole and Mclaren rovers player oppps

Premy
29-06-2013, 05:38 AM
I really hope Da Silva gets game time at Perth he looked good since his been on

Grimario
29-06-2013, 09:02 AM
Galloway broke something?

Tommyjet
29-06-2013, 09:30 AM
If brillante was still in midfield with Irvine those two goals could of been stopped. Geria looked way terrible this game, especially at left back. Passing was way off this game but overall some good future socceroos coming through.

There were some very good talent missing that could of made the difference such as ikonomidis, amini, antonis (injured), Jimenez and skapetis( not sure on spelling). Definitely think we're lacked a playmaker like amini in the last two games. Da silva great talent but the more mature amini would of brought taggart into the game more.

Jetmaster
29-06-2013, 10:59 AM
One thing we do need is a dominant keeper - this guy is a "flapper" and gave his defence no confidence at all.

Tommyjet
29-06-2013, 11:18 AM
Yeah not a fan of izzo but we do have Ryan and langerak just a bit older than these guys plus there are others I just can't be bothered thinking of at the moment

Imyourhero
29-06-2013, 12:00 PM
Izzo was poor over all 3 games to be honest. Not a good catcher of the ball, makes routine saves look harder than they are.

Grimario
29-06-2013, 12:05 PM
Yeah not a fan of izzo but we do have Ryan and langerak just a bit older than these guys plus there are others I just can't be bothered thinking of at the moment

Obviously Federici, Birra too... all better options for the future of the NT, especially given the lifespan of a GK compared to others.

pv4
29-06-2013, 12:27 PM
So you guys make me eat humble pie and THEN agree?

Grimario
29-06-2013, 01:48 PM
Aha, no, I have always thought he was pony. Just that he did a few things in the first game after you had called him the weakness in our backline :P

militiamon
29-06-2013, 06:31 PM
Forgot to record it, watching the highlights now. Don't know if they're an accurate reflection of the game, but it looks like we made more than enough scoring opportunities to win.

Turkey's first goal - ball was hit very well, but surely Izzo should be getting a hand on that. Surely.
Turkey's second goal - similar story, his positioning was what let him down here. Good chip, but the mistake is always with the keeper in those situations, getting chipped from that position is really U14 stuff.

That said, the defence didn't make it any easier for him, in the first two games I saw the backline was equally as bad.


Anyway disregarding all that I thought it was a very good tournament for us. We're clearly leagues ahead of where we were at in previous years. It's bordering on a cliche these days, but give it time and I can see us becoming a real force at this level.

My2BobsWorth
29-06-2013, 07:28 PM
I thought we were pretty average on the whole. We had an relatively easy group, and came last. The skill set we are striving for is still a way off. I actually thought they played like the Jets, and I can hear Dutchy now, "we had the majority of possession but lacked something in the final third". Anyway as they say, the table doesn't lie.

GazFish35
30-06-2013, 08:36 AM
Forgot to record it, watching the highlights now. Don't know if they're an accurate reflection of the game, but it looks like we made more than enough scoring opportunities to win.

Turkey's first goal - ball was hit very well, but surely Izzo should be getting a hand on that. Surely.
Turkey's second goal - similar story, his positioning was what let him down here. Good chip, but the mistake is always with the keeper in those situations, getting chipped from that position is really U14 stuff.

That said, the defence didn't make it any easier for him, in the first two games I saw the backline was equally as bad.


Anyway disregarding all that I thought it was a very good tournament for us. We're clearly leagues ahead of where we were at in previous years. It's bordering on a cliche these days, but give it time and I can see us becoming a real force at this level.

Wicked, would love to win a u20 World Cup.

De-Champ
30-06-2013, 12:24 PM
Forgot to record it, watching the highlights now. Don't know if they're an accurate reflection of the game, but it looks like we made more than enough scoring opportunities to win.

Turkey's first goal - ball was hit very well, but surely Izzo should be getting a hand on that. Surely.
Turkey's second goal - similar story, his positioning was what let him down here. Good chip, but the mistake is always with the keeper in those situations, getting chipped from that position is really U14 stuff.

That said, the defence didn't make it any easier for him, in the first two games I saw the backline was equally as bad.


Anyway disregarding all that I thought it was a very good tournament for us. We're clearly leagues ahead of where we were at in previous years. It's bordering on a cliche these days, but give it time and I can see us becoming a real force at this level.
How many times have I heard that?????? Every tornamament loss someone says that.

MFKS
30-06-2013, 04:02 PM
How many times have I heard that?????? Every tornamament loss someone says that.

That being said our football is improving albeit that is tempered by our rivals also improving.

The amount of money and resources we devote to developing professional standard footballers is not enough and the structures of the game across this country are wrong to achieve anything of note at this level.

Good news is we are heading in the right direction towards starting to remedy this.

plague
30-06-2013, 08:21 PM
Yeah, like when we made the semis of the World Youth Cup in '91.
Moving forward and all that.

militiamon
01-07-2013, 12:44 AM
How many times have I heard that?????? Every tornamament loss someone says that.

Right, ok. Did you actually watch any of the last 3 U-20 tournaments that we've participated in? Did you watch this group at the U-17 World Cup?
Please don't try and tell me that you think they haven't improved from these tournaments.

As for the earlier comment about the table not lying, seriously, who gives a **** about the results in the U-20 World Cup? It has been and always will be a nothing tournament in that regard. At the end of the day no one remembers or gives a shit about whether such-and-such a team made it out of the group stage or not. I would much rather we used this tournament as a stepping-stone for what we do in the senior team than scrap for a result here and there purely for the sake of getting a result.

pv4
01-07-2013, 07:16 AM
I watched the last U20 WC and watched the most recent U17 WC, and I'm very impressed with where we're heading tbh.

We have some great young players, and I truly hope that a heap of these young guys are our starters for the 2018 WC after they kick on even further.

It's also worth noting that if my tallying skills are correct - out of the 21 player squad, only 5 play outside of the A-League. I love me a strong A-League

Onehunglow
01-07-2013, 08:39 AM
Right, ok. Did you actually watch any of the last 3 U-20 tournaments that we've participated in? Did you watch this group at the U-17 World Cup?
Please don't try and tell me that you think they haven't improved from these tournaments.

As for the earlier comment about the table not lying, seriously, who gives a **** about the results in the U-20 World Cup? It has been and always will be a nothing tournament in that regard. At the end of the day no one remembers or gives a shit about whether such-and-such a team made it out of the group stage or not. I would much rather we used this tournament as a stepping-stone for what we do in the senior team than scrap for a result here and there purely for the sake of getting a result.

We seem to be prepared to write these tournaments off as development. What about we start to develop winners. I would have thought having prepare and play in knock out tournaments at a world youth competition would be first class development and preparation for the future.

De-Champ
01-07-2013, 09:37 AM
Right, ok. Did you actually watch any of the last 3 U-20 tournaments that we've participated in? Did you watch this group at the U-17 World Cup?
Please don't try and tell me that you think they haven't improved from these tournaments.

As for the earlier comment about the table not lying, seriously, who gives a **** about the results in the U-20 World Cup? It has been and always will be a nothing tournament in that regard. At the end of the day no one remembers or gives a shit about whether such-and-such a team made it out of the group stage or not. I would much rather we used this tournament as a stepping-stone for what we do in the senior team than scrap for a result here and there purely for the sake of getting a result.

Well let me see....In the 1980's ( tornament held in Australia, cannot remember exact year) we made it out of the group. In 1990's in Portugal we made it to the quarterfinals to be beaten by Portugal who went on to win it. We have been going down hill ever since.
Yes sure we play better now, why wouldn't we, the problem is so is every body else and what is even more disturbing is EVERYBODY else has improved exponentially (spelling) while we have made modest improvements.
There was a time like back in those years mentioned above when the only teams that could beat us were the first team nations ie your Germany's, Argentina, Brazil etc and occassionaly we would beat them.
Now we can't even beat the second team nations like Turkey, El Salvador and Columbia. (NO disrespect to those nations)