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Did we actually create a chance on goal? Not saying Kale isn't the answer but how is he going to be better than Taggart if he gets the same service?
Maybe the answer is getting 2 strikers on the park together. Can't hurt the 1 striker idea just doesn't work for us.
Yes we did some bloke hit the crossbar in the last minute when it was easier to score and Taggz flashed a header over from 8-10 yards on the 61st minute. OUR FIRST SHOT AT GOAL of the season
Premy
12-10-2013, 10:35 PM
Maybe the answer is getting 2 strikers on the park together. Can't hurt the 1 striker idea just doesn't work for us.
Yes we did some bloke hit the crossbar in the last minute when it was easier to score and Taggz flashed a header over from 8-10 yards on the 61st minute. OUR FIRST SHOT AT GOAL of the season
Galloway strolled into the six inviting a tackle, had he shown urgency we could of been 1up. Instead 2 minutes later Caravella tears our defense apart with his footwork to put ADP threw on goal.
I was pretty happy with Jailens performance, good signing if we can get someone solid beside him.....regan anyone?
Still don't understand how people don't realise chapman is our "answer" to this. He's a weapon, a future socceroo, and performs amazingly. He was all over ADP till caravella decided to butt in for that first goal.
I still am yet to see regan being the answer to anything apart drom a decent injury replacement option.
but we all know who we needed
Heskey was missed badly
Premy
12-10-2013, 10:45 PM
Still don't understand how people don't realise chapman is our "answer" to this. He's a weapon, a future socceroo, and performs amazingly. He was all over ADP till caravella decided to butt in for that first goal.
I still am yet to see regan being the answer to anything apart drom a decent injury replacement option.
Almost agree. I would like to see how Regan goes at RB. Chapy had a good game last night.
Grimario
12-10-2013, 10:53 PM
I still am yet to see regan being the answer to anything apart drom a decent injury replacement option.
You aren't asking the right questions then. For instance...
Who is going to keep Calamity Mitchell out of the squad?
Jeterpool
13-10-2013, 07:19 AM
Still don't understand how people don't realise chapman is our "answer" to this. He's a weapon, a future socceroo, and performs amazingly. He was all over ADP till caravella decided to butt in for that first goal.
I still am yet to see regan being the answer to anything apart drom a decent injury replacement option.
I agree. In the second half he started bringing it out himself and playing a decent pass too. Him and Jaliens are fine at centre half.
Tommyjet
13-10-2013, 08:14 AM
Still don't understand how people don't realise chapman is our "answer" to this. He's a weapon, a future socceroo, and performs amazingly. He was all over ADP till caravella decided to butt in for that first goal.
I still am yet to see regan being the answer to anything apart drom a decent injury replacement option.
This
militiamon
13-10-2013, 11:18 AM
Still don't understand how people don't realise chapman is our "answer" to this. He's a weapon, a future socceroo, and performs amazingly. He was all over ADP till caravella decided to butt in for that first goal.
I still am yet to see regan being the answer to anything apart drom a decent injury replacement option.
Yeah, Chapman is a great defender. His only issue is that he doesn't have a clue about defending.
Jetmaster
13-10-2013, 11:21 AM
Also subs last night. What is the go with the last one sending on Peppz with 15 mins to go??
No knocking Peppz but we needed goals and creating them/scoring them ain't his area
Woot - didn't Pep hit the crossbar with our only goal attempt ?
Maito Mitch
13-10-2013, 11:51 AM
Just watched the recording of the first half and maybe it's not quite as doom and gloom as I thought. But it's just the same old story... No creativity. Hopefully burns can improve and give us some spark up front. Jaliens looks the goods at the back, he and Chapman should do well. Would like to see the beard come in for caravella next week. Gallaway is actually looking quite good as well
ForeverRed
13-10-2013, 01:08 PM
Still don't understand how people don't realise chapman is our "answer" to this. He's a weapon, a future socceroo, and performs amazingly. He was all over ADP till caravella decided to butt in for that first goal.
I still am yet to see regan being the answer to anything apart drom a decent injury replacement option.
chapman simply isnt ready yet, yes he will become a great player but cant pass to save himself and is a poor reader of the game, taylor please
Yeah, Chapman is a great defender. His only issue is that he doesn't have a clue about defending.
Do go on
chapman simply isnt ready yet, yes he will become a great player but cant pass to save himself and is a poor reader of the game, taylor please
We have such different views on chapman and regan
For all the people who wish to criticise Chapman can they enlighten us all as to what he done wrong on Friday night??
The only error I noted was he fell over for ADP's goal. That wasn't entirely his fault though as Zenon pushed him over.
The rest of the time Chapo was quite solid and done well I thought. Our back 4 were actually well organised for the vast majority of the game. What cost us was 2 turn overs when our fullbacks were again pushed up the park and neither Zads or Zenon were back to cover. Zenon admittedly coughed up the ball both times but I find it baffling the lack of criticism for Zads not being back remotely in a position to assist the defence if things went pear shaped considering the what can only be described as the pre mandated tactic for LB and RB to be 20 yards pushed up from the centre halves.
Chapo and Huge Aliens were 2 of our better players Friday
joel31
13-10-2013, 03:22 PM
For all the people who wish to criticise Chapman can they enlighten us all as to what he done wrong on Friday night??
The only error I noted was he fell over for ADP's goal. That wasn't entirely his fault though as Zenon pushed him over.
The rest of the time Chapo was quite solid and done well I thought. Our back 4 were actually well organised for the vast majority of the game. What cost us was 2 turn overs when our fullbacks were again pushed up the park and neither Zads or Zenon were back to cover. Zenon admittedly coughed up the ball both times but I find it baffling the lack of criticism for Zads not being back remotely in a position to assist the defence if things went pear shaped considering the what can only be described as the pre mandated tactic for LB and RB to be 20 yards pushed up from the centre halves.
Chapo and Huge Aliens were 2 of our better players Friday
Exactly I thought our defensive set-up was good also just we were too slow in transition and gave the ball away cheaply in midfield
militiamon
13-10-2013, 05:58 PM
Someone guess when the last time that we had more than wins than losses in a season was.
Go on.
My2BobsWorth
13-10-2013, 06:02 PM
I've never been a Zad fan, and he was crap on Friday, so was Zenon. Can't win with 2 shit midfielders
joel31
13-10-2013, 06:08 PM
Someone guess when the last time that we had more than wins than losses in a season was.
Go on.
2007-08
militiamon
13-10-2013, 06:27 PM
Bingo. Depressing isn't it? I mean I know we've been crap, but to realise that we've been watching us lose more than win every year for the last 5 years...
To put it another way, our current streak is 5 seasons in a row of losing more than winning. The next worst (at the moment) is a 1 season streak.
Exactly I thought our defensive set-up was good also just we were too slow in transition and gave the ball away cheaply in midfield
sarcasm yeah? how often did cara have to double around behind the defence. total kaos. Our new signing seemed stunned at the lack of a decent setup
Cunning stunts
14-10-2013, 09:16 AM
from watching the game start to finish and getting more and more frustrated at the game my views were
ADP is class but geeze he does fall over alot for nothing. yeah he does get kick alot but not as much as he wins free kicks.
but to the important parts
virgilli is useless as a starting player i think. he just be a impact player and thats it.
ZC is a ok player but he had a terrible game and Brillante has been killing pre season why drop him now when he came on we looked so much better in attack i think.
and me i reackon HOOLE is so much better as a wing back then neville. how can we have a wing back that cant deliver a cross more then 5% of the time
and i dont think Chapman deserves the bagging ppl are giving him
once again thats my oppinion haha
I've never been a Zad fan, and he was crap on Friday, so was Zenon. Can't win with 2 shit midfielders
We should throw Bridges into that midfield then
virgilli is useless as a starting player i think. he just be a impact player and thats it.
Care to elaborate?
Cunning stunts
14-10-2013, 10:09 AM
as i said just personal opinion
but i just have seen him create much in past two season. only ever in pre season. im not say the kid doesnt have talent. but maybe not as a starting playing for now atleast. he has alot of pace no doubt bout it. i also dont think the system we play suits him as a player as we always looking for wing backs to overlap etc when youy have aplayer like virigilie i would like to use him at getting at players one on one not our own players getting in the way or use his pace as i dont think we do with the current system GVE plays
joel31
14-10-2013, 10:55 AM
Last year he was brilliant against Mariners when we won 2-1 especially and showed glimpses of talent at other points last year
BodyNovo
14-10-2013, 11:01 AM
Taking the gve perspective on chilli here (also applies to chapman as we'll) He is only going to show those glimpses if he is consistently in and out of the side.
Give him 5 games in the starting 11, give him a license to cut loose and watch the magic
Cunning stunts
14-10-2013, 11:06 AM
i really think the system that GVE uses does not help virgillie chase at all for the type of player I see him as. also without some dominating midfielder that can play the ball correctly doesnt help him either. but i still think use him as a 20 or 30 min player for a consistant while and see if he can show some magiv which i can see if he does he will get confidence then who know what could happen.
specially with bridges when he is back he prob be in start line up and he wont last the 90 so when he is done throw virgilli on and then let him cut loose
Last year he was brilliant against Mariners when we won 2-1
Really? I remember a mate & I were chatting for around 10 full minutes leading up to the Heskey goal about how useless Virgili was, and how bad GVE's system was. I remember this because it was one of those moments where you say "that guy is useless" and he does something amazing (similar to how you try to recreate a computer/phone issue you're having, but it works perfectly when you show someone). Because I remember ending the conversation with "Virgili should NOT be starting any HAL game" and then within 10 seconds he setup Heskey. And FTR I celebrated wildly. And FTR I don't remember him doing anything else that game.
Virgili is a Ryan Griffiths type player. Is remembered for his brief moment of greatness in games where otherwise he's a passenger for the other 85 minutes.
TBH I hope Virgili, Neville, Gallaway, Bridges get a solid 5 games in the lineup. Losing 5 games is surely enough for HSG to sack GVE.
Whoever on this foz keeps bringing it up was spot on the money - Flores is looking more & more like another Smeltz, the one we'll forever hate ourselves for not getting. Flores costs CCM 150k per year, and MV pay the remainding 250k of his contract. I fail to see, after we let Jesic (who was on 140k - kutgw Branko) & Ryan Griffiths (200-250k from what I heard - plus "we got a transfer fee for him" so not only freed up his wages but earnt money off him #yeahright) and the others (no idea wages) go from our squad last season, how we couldn't afford to chase Flores. Even taking into account Jaliens and the short-term Burns signing.
GazFish35
14-10-2013, 12:13 PM
Tinks has debts to pay you know.
plague
14-10-2013, 02:03 PM
Hold up everyone. We are all jumping the gun.
Deans was on the wireless today saying it's only 1 game out of 27 so it's no big deal.
Phew, that makes me feel better.
scarfy96
14-10-2013, 02:32 PM
Well in the rag today Dutchy has basically said Chillie out and Bridges in with Burns going right. This is a better setup IMO but if Burns and Goodwin play as wide as they did why do we have overlapping fullbacks? Do they need a forward to hold their hand going forward so they don't get lost and are there to offer advice and direction when we loose the ball?
Overlapping fullbacks are fine IF:
1) The defensive midfield actually cover them rather than leaving us exposed
2) The "winger" or whatever you want to call him moves into the channel to offer something other than just someone to applaud if the overlapping back actually gets a cross in.
Apparently in the pre-season the thing we had to work on was getting other players in and around Heskey to offer him support. Now I know Heskey wasn't in the centre Taggart was but did anyone tell the forwards that? They seemed to want to stay as close to Heskey in the stand as they could not play in closer to Taggart!
By the time you get an overlapping back, a winger and an out of position defensive midfielder out wide, if you can manage to drag your number 10 out there as well then you have 4 guys manning the sideline. U12's could defend a cross in that situation.
Apparently the forward third need to "work on their positioning" a bit. WTF have they been doing all pre-season? Working on their ****ing hair dos?
Maito Mitch
14-10-2013, 04:55 PM
Apparently the forward third need to "work on their positioning" a bit. WTF have they been doing all pre-season? Working on their ****ing hair dos?
We've been working on it for 2 years... This is as good as it gets!
Does GVE actually attend press conferences or do we just send in a tape recoding from 2 years ago? If not, we should. Might give him more time to work on that front third :lol:
Hold up everyone. We are all jumping the gun.
Deans was on the wireless today saying it's only 1 game out of 27 so it's no big deal.
Phew, that makes me feel better.
I too was getting worried there for a moment. Thanks Deans, cant wait for the giantic turn/reach around
plague
17-10-2013, 05:43 PM
I too was getting worried there for a moment. Thanks Deans, cant wait for the giantic turn/reach around
auto response from Deans/GVE
Games 1-9 - "we're only (x) games in, theres no need to panic"
Games 10-18 - "mathematically we're still in it so as long as we make the finals anything is possible"
Games 19-27 - "this gives us a good building block for next season and gives the young blokes some exposure and a full pre-season to develop their game".
seldom
18-10-2013, 01:08 AM
Really? I remember a mate & I were chatting for around 10 full minutes leading up to the Heskey goal about how useless Virgili was, and how bad GVE's system was. I remember this because it was one of those moments where you say "that guy is useless" and he does something amazing (similar to how you try to recreate a computer/phone issue you're having, but it works perfectly when you show someone). Because I remember ending the conversation with "Virgili should NOT be starting any HAL game" and then within 10 seconds he setup Heskey. And FTR I celebrated wildly. And FTR I don't remember him doing anything else that game.
Virgili is a Ryan Griffiths type player. Is remembered for his brief moment of greatness in games where otherwise he's a passenger for the other 85 minutes.
TBH I hope Virgili, Neville, Gallaway, Bridges get a solid 5 games in the lineup. Losing 5 games is surely enough for HSG to sack GVE.
Whoever on this foz keeps bringing it up was spot on the money - Flores is looking more & more like another Smeltz, the one we'll forever hate ourselves for not getting. Flores costs CCM 150k per year, and MV pay the remainding 250k of his contract. I fail to see, after we let Jesic (who was on 140k - kutgw Branko) & Ryan Griffiths (200-250k from what I heard - plus "we got a transfer fee for him" so not only freed up his wages but earnt money off him #yeahright) and the others (no idea wages) go from our squad last season, how we couldn't afford to chase Flores. Even taking into account Jaliens and the short-term Burns signing.
Smeltz and Flores...why would we sign a goal scorer and a playmaker...doesn't fit our system.
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