Fans rep committee (discussion allowed) thread.

[Blackmac79]

The stadium on the squadron side singing NTUA after the final whistle was pretty epic.

[GazFish35]

The countdown to kickoff is a Friday night a-league thing, not a club thing.

Apparently the FFA and fox seem to think a countdown to the first game of the weekend is a good idea.

[MFKS]

The countdown to kickoff is a Friday night a-league thing, not a club thing.

Apparently the FFA and fox seem to think a countdown to the first game of the weekend is a good idea.
Am Aware of the countdown thing and can cope with that.

It was the 10-15 mins of shit coming from him before that that bothers me

[GazFish35]

Member, was there any "clear air" at all last night?

We'd asked them for at least a few minutes of peace and quiet

[MFKS]

Member, was there any "clear air" at all last night?

We'd asked them for at least a few minutes of peace and quiet

Only for him to pause to breathe.

In all seriousness the shit in the past that got this issue raised was nothing compared to last nights performance. It was the longest/most intense effort yet at what they are doing with this activity.

Being a cynical bastard I may not be far off the mark in saying it was done on purpose along the lines of we have had some complaints **** it we will go for twice as long and be twice as loud and twice as annoying as punishment for moaning.

Either that has occurred or the message raised at the last meeting has not been addressed from the clubs perspective and the issue has got worse by someone not being told to back off on it at the minimum

[WolfMan]

Might have had more to do with the 10 year anniversary deal. Guess we'll know after the next home match just before NYE

[sammydog]

The stadium on the squadron side singing NTUA after the final whistle was pretty epic.

Came across on the TV as well when I was watching the replay.

[furns]

There was a plan to quiet it down at the previous home game, but when security evicted a bunch of the supporters in Bay 60 for having GA tickets there didn't seem to be much point unfortunately.
And I hadn't raised it further prior to this game as they had their own 10yr anniversary stuff already planned, and tbh I was flat out with work anyway.

[hawk]

The stadium on the squadron side singing NTUA after the final whistle was pretty epic.

I sat down in B35 and there were quite a few willing to join in some chants including ntua. Get a cell member in each bay

[Thomas477]

Member, was there any "clear air" at all last night?

We'd asked them for at least a few minutes of peace and quiet

There was about 90 minutes of it last night, but none before kick off. I had to shout to talk to the person next to me. Was ridiculously loud, louder than its been for a long time.

[hawk]

this is to allow for when he sticks the mike up his hooter it gets a bit muffled.

[BodyNovo]

whens the next meeting guys?

[Jeterpool]

If I recall it's late feb/early march.

[sammydog]

Who is left for them to meet with?

[Jeterpool]

Who is left for them to meet with?

We can chat amongst ourselves. Plus I still believe Mark D-T and Brooke Cousins are still there unless someone can elighten me otherwise.

[hawk]

Yes it is. Membership is on the next agenda. I think the discussion will be around how can you expect people to return this year after the tripe they've witnessed

Put that on hold. thats not addressing the real issues.

lets talk about getting decent recruitment, football management & coaching staff. And not just we are looking into it sh*t. real info.

get a decent product only then should we bother with increasing membership cause as it stands with our current model membership will halve.

[Jeterpool]

Put that on hold. thats not addressing the real issues.

lets talk about getting decent recruitment, football management & coaching staff. And not just we are looking into it sh*t. real info.

get a decent product only then should we bother with increasing membership cause as it stands with our current model membership will halve.

The club are pretty well set on us not discussing onfield issues. However it's safe to say if they don't sort it out there won't be any members to have a committee for.

Your last point for me is spot on though

[MFKS]

Put that on hold. thats not addressing the real issues.

lets talk about getting decent recruitment, football management & coaching staff. And not just we are looking into it sh*t. real info.

get a decent product only then should we bother with increasing membership cause as it stands with our current model membership will halve.

Only problem is the blokes that are left there just like those that have left show a complete lack of an idea on how to achieve this.

Seems almost like a waste of time

[hawk]

sounds more like a chance for supporters to help do their menial jobs

[MFKS]

sounds more like a chance for supporters to help do their menial jobs

Sounds more like a chance for the supporters to offer up ideas for free cause the blokes getting paid 5 or 6 figure salaries are unable to come up with anything useful themselves despite it being what they are being paid for

[GazFish35]

I see it as an concept still in its infancy.

It certainly runs the risk of being nothing more than cheap PR stunt and a bit of easy market research.
It's what we make it as far as I'm concerned.

That's why I'm asking for people to submit stuff to the club AND to committee members so that if genuine issues aren't being brought forward on the agenda the committee members can start pushing for more transparency.

Ultimately, as I've stated before the communication pathway and control of the agenda needs to be from the fans on the committee, not the club, but this will take time.

We've been asking for fan representation on club decisions for 10 years to write this idea off after 1 meeting would be foolish in the extreme.


Protest, go for it, if I can help, I will. Do it as publicly as you want. Organise a rally, I'll support it, I'm sick of this steaming pile of shit too. But this committee now provides us with a formal communication line with the club, one which has the potential to hold the club to account for a whole range of things. Let's not shoot it down when it hasn't had time to get going.


Some of the stuff might be menial, and no doubt some of the ideas put forward by the committee we here simple ideas that I was amazed had not already been acted on, but we can sit around on keyboards and complain that those being paid to run our club aren't doing it as well as we'd hope, or we can participate in open dialogue and present constructive ideas that might just get put in place and start to have a positive impact.

[hawk]

I just realised the limitations of the committee so my real concerns (club, team & management) arent really valid here.

As for the subcommittee my impressions dont constitute a write off. Not sure where you got that.

Im questioning what the club are really after out of this. Im hoping theyll do the business.

I find discussing future membership is a bit of a non event when the club is in such a pitiful state. It will not improve quickly. However the other issues raised previously here would be a good improvement if carried out. especially the intro of school tournys and player visits, merch, greater interaction between players & supporters etc.

As for communication. I question whether real communication will be achieved or one way lip service as is my previous experience. eg the PA guy didnt improve as requested but got worse, & security hasnt improved in the active.

I also noticed in an earlier post from the first meeting that many items were undecided. Why?

I wouldnt class these issue as complaints but legitimate issues that may be encountered and needed to overcome.

[GazFish35]

I just realised the limitations of the committee so my real concerns (club, team & management) arent really valid here.

The scope of the committes discussion will hopefully broaden, no doubt. The limitations set for last meeting were so that discussion was focussed on issues that could be changed in the short/medium term.... All while the possibility of new owners existed

As for the subcommittee my impressions dont constitute a write off. Not sure where you got that.

not from you, some else suggested it seemed like a waste of time

Im questioning what the club are really after out of this. Im hoping theyll do the business.

so are the committee members

I find discussing future membership is a bit of a non event when the club is in such a pitiful state. It will not improve quickly. However the other issues raised previously here would be a good improvement if carried out. especially the intro of school tournys and player visits, merch, greater interaction between players & supporters etc.

agreed. Though "memberships" as an agenda item were suggested by the club at the end of last meeting.... The landscape has changed somewhat, and again, I encourage fans to submit issues to the club, and committee members so we can start to take some control of the agenda

As for communication. I question whether real communication will be achieved or one way lip service as is my previous experience. eg the PA guy didnt improve as requested but got worse, & security hasnt improved in the active.

also agreed, and this sort of stuff we need to hold them to account on. Publicly available minutes that can be questioned and clarified and reviewed reduces the "lip service"..... They also told us in the meeting that that they weren't looking for ideas to increase single match day ticket sales that involved discounting tickets as history had shown it doesn't have much impact...... Then they ran a 2for1 and that $1, $2, $3, tickets for 10 days thing leading up to the Adelaide game

I also noticed in an earlier post from the first meeting that many items were undecided. Why?

committee isn't set to make decisions, each item is discussed and committee recommendations and feedback taken back to internal departments (probably the same three people) and the club make the decisions.


I wouldnt class these issue as complaints but legitimate issues that may be encountered and needed to overcome.

agreed, and I believe this process, perhaps slow, is one way we can hold the suits to account for their decisions or at the very least be able to call them out on the bullshit PR and lip service they might want to dish out.



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[Jeterpool]

OK everyone, the next members committee meeting will be on March 2nd at 6:00pm.

The next agenda items will be surrounding Membership Packages and Member entitlements / inclusions as well as merchandise items.

The deadline for agenda items to be submitted will be Thursday 19th February and the agenda will be distributed on Monday 23rd February.

So if you have any feedback on the specific membership topic above - be it prices, inclusions, thickness of the card, style of lanyard let us know in this thread before the above date.

Similarly if you have any other topics you wish to be discussed please let us know and we will raise them but no promise they will be discussed this meeting.

I'll go over the old points people have raised before with me (they know who they are), I'll raise the mid-season review results and we can log the engagement points made in the thread Gaz started last week.

Look forward to hearing what you'd like us to discuss.

For those that want to read the last set of minutes - they're here http://membership.newcastlejets.com.au/members-sub-committee

[belchardo]

price of non-ticketed membership - way too high. think i paid $70 for basically a scarf (or was it a hat this year). why not make this not much more than cost price and get a load more non-ticketed/country members?

[Blackmac79]

So basically the next meeting is pointless.

Why the **** do the fans want to talk about this trivial shit that won't matter once the club is sold or taken off Tinkler anyway?

Waste of time. Talk about something real. Members of the committee should bring forward the numerous issues that have been raised on te forum that fall outside the "membership and inclusions" bracket

[Jeterpool]

So basically the next meeting is pointless.

Why the **** do the fans want to talk about this trivial shit that won't matter once the club is sold or taken off Tinkler anyway?

Waste of time. Talk about something real. Members of the committee should bring forward the numerous issues that have been raised on te forum that fall outside the "membership and inclusions" bracket

The club have said the members committee structure has been included in part of negotiations with potential owners to remain and continue functioning. If any new owner came in knowing what the issues were and how they could be solved, that is time they don't have to spend sorting it out. It gives them easy wins and runs on the board too.

If you'd like to make suggestions directly to the club for discussions you can, otherwise put them directly towards us. However if they're out of scope of the committee then they won't likely be discussed.

[Jeterpool]

price of non-ticketed membership - way too high. think i paid $70 for basically a scarf (or was it a hat this year). why not make this not much more than cost price and get a load more non-ticketed/country members?

Noted. Thanks

[hawk]

The club have said the members committee structure has been included in part of negotiations with potential owners to remain and continue functioning. If any new owner came in knowing what the issues were and how they could be solved, that is time they don't have to spend sorting it out. It gives them easy wins and runs on the board too.

If you'd like to make suggestions directly to the club for discussions you can, otherwise put them directly towards us. However if they're out of scope of the committee then they won't likely be discussed.

this makes it really hard for you committee members. Going in to maintain strong ongoing relations and having to talk about issues that arent really needed right now due to our other problems. anyway if you get a chance for general business bring up those prev ideas in here. there pretty good.

I dont know what is worse arguing about card thickness or being a gypo. :blush:

[Grimario]

price of non-ticketed membership - way too high. think i paid $70 for basically a scarf (or was it a hat this year). why not make this not much more than cost price and get a load more non-ticketed/country members?
+1

[westjet]

price of non-ticketed membership - way too high. think i paid $70 for basically a scarf (or was it a hat this year). why not make this not much more than cost price and get a load more non-ticketed/country members?

+1
Was a member in previous years but knew I wasnt much of a chance of getting back to any games this year so couldnt see the value in purchasing this year. At least in previous years you got 3 games in the membership for about the same price. Would happily pay cost price or a 70 with a couple of tickets included.

[GazFish35]

I reckon non-ticket membership should be cheaper, but give you access to single match tickets at a discounted price.

Also I take on board why blackmac said I'd live some non PR santiaued explanation tinks of the shit going down at the moment..... But don't believe well ever get it.

[Blackmac79]

The club have said the members committee structure has been included in part of negotiations with potential owners to remain and continue functioning. If any new owner came in knowing what the issues were and how they could be solved, that is time they don't have to spend sorting it out. It gives them easy wins and runs on the board too.

If you'd like to make suggestions directly to the club for discussions you can, otherwise put them directly towards us. However if they're out of scope of the committee then they won't likely be discussed.

Club needs to be accountable to the fans. Not pander them with token gestures like this. Either let the fan representative committee have a proper role in the direction of the club, or not at all. To talk about ticketing and membership when things are about as low as it can get shows that those at the club are still trying to play You, Gav and every other member of the committee as a pawn in a stupid PR game.

We have the cheapest, most affordable membership in the league at the moment. Why does it need to be discussed at a meeting, it's not going to get better than what it is?

My simple request is that you, as a group, take control of the meeting and ensure that it is run with purpose moving forward with positive outcomes as a whole. Make the club accountable to you, as the fans representatives. This groups is the most organised the fans are outside of the Squadron. It presents a real opportunity for the club, and those running it to understand that we are not just paying customers, that this is our club, and they cannot just do as they please.

If it were up to me you would have an external, club free meeting, open to other fans, where we can empower you, the committee as a whole, with our thoughts, feelings, passions, ideas. Things that would make a tangible difference to how this club behaves and operates as a community asset.

With is current agenda, the committee is little more than a steaming pile of PR shit. It could be so much more.

[Jeterpool]

Club needs to be accountable to the fans. Not pander them with token gestures like this. Either let the fan representative committee have a proper role in the direction of the club, or not at all. To talk about ticketing and membership when things are about as low as it can get shows that those at the club are still trying to play You, Gav and every other member of the committee as a pawn in a stupid PR game.

We have the cheapest, most affordable membership in the league at the moment. Why does it need to be discussed at a meeting, it's not going to get better than what it is?

My simple request is that you, as a group, take control of the meeting and ensure that it is run with purpose moving forward with positive outcomes as a whole. Make the club accountable to you, as the fans representatives. This groups is the most organised the fans are outside of the Squadron. It presents a real opportunity for the club, and those running it to understand that we are not just paying customers, that this is our club, and they cannot just do as they please.

If it were up to me you would have an external, club free meeting, open to other fans, where we can empower you, the committee as a whole, with our thoughts, feelings, passions, ideas. Things that would make a tangible difference to how this club behaves and operates as a community asset.

With is current agenda, the committee is little more than a steaming pile of PR shit. It could be so much more.

Great post Blackmac. What you're saying is what I want from the committee too. Behind the scenes we're already holding the club to account and not letting things slip.

To touch on your point about a "Jets-free" meeting, we've already discussed it so we will raise it again. The main topic point for the next meeting was raised before all the bullshit started happening. Tinkler still had the club on the market at that stage. However other items for discussion will be raised.

[GazFish35]

send it Blackmac.

we are on the same page.


jeterpool, ill message you later today

[Blackmac79]

Nevermind,

I have emailed the club. Along with the issue of coaching staff working for player agencies. I wan't to see real issues discussed with the fans in an open way.

It is for us, and our benefit that every person at the club should be working. No more self interest.

[hawk]

Club needs to be accountable to the fans. Not pander them with token gestures like this. Either let the fan representative committee have a proper role in the direction of the club, or not at all. To talk about ticketing and membership when things are about as low as it can get shows that those at the club are still trying to play You, Gav and every other member of the committee as a pawn in a stupid PR game.

We have the cheapest, most affordable membership in the league at the moment. Why does it need to be discussed at a meeting, it's not going to get better than what it is?

My simple request is that you, as a group, take control of the meeting and ensure that it is run with purpose moving forward with positive outcomes as a whole. Make the club accountable to you, as the fans representatives. This groups is the most organised the fans are outside of the Squadron. It presents a real opportunity for the club, and those running it to understand that we are not just paying customers, that this is our club, and they cannot just do as they please.

If it were up to me you would have an external, club free meeting, open to other fans, where we can empower you, the committee as a whole, with our thoughts, feelings, passions, ideas. Things that would make a tangible difference to how this club behaves and operates as a community asset.

With is current agenda, the committee is little more than a steaming pile of PR shit. It could be so much more.

this is what I was on about a few pages back.

Good idea to put something in.

[hausmann]

this is what I was on about a few pages back.

Good idea to put something in.

Just be careful you don't kill it by acting too rashly. The level of involvement you want can be built over time, with trust. IMO the primary objective of this committee at the moment should be to establish itself and ensure its continuity through all these ownership shenanigans. To me its not really that important if it mostly deals with superficial stuff now, so long as it also slowly acts as a vehicle to giving the club a deeper insight into how supporters want to engage with the club.

It seems the club under Middleby set this up only if it dealt with side issues. Tinkler is even less likely to want interference.

[GazFish35]

It seems the club under Middleby set this up only if it dealt with side issues.

every concern raised here about the process is concern i share, but haus has hit the nail on the ehad about it taking time and must be based on growing trust.
i think this is why the above point may appear to be true..... theyre still testing the waters as much as we are.

lets not throw the baby out with bathwater.

[hausmann]

Having said that, there is one thing that I'd like to raise with the committee because if Tinkler is stripped of the license, I think you should be prepared to play a role in communicating with David Gallop for the transition to new ownership. You are a formal structure that he should respect.

It needs to be understood why the Newcastle flagship team keeps having financial and management problems. If Gallop can't verbalise what the issue is, then history will just repeat, and repeat. We have to get it right this time. And I think Gallop is the type of guy who would be willing to listen and cooperate.

IMO, the financial side is due to:
1. Lack of an innovative approach to ownership. We have tried community ownership and failed because its undercapitalised and unprofessional, we have tried rich tycoon ownership and failed because its too susceptible to whimsical decision making. We need a model that incorporates both. A rich owner or ownership group to ensure decisive action and supporter ownership so that the main owners (and CEO and management) take supporters seriously so they don't get all arrogant and think they can ignore the community. A broad ownership base (as opposed to membership base) encourages good corporate governance.
2. Lack of sponsorship.

There are two facets to this - one is small business sponsorship - corporate boxes, advertising and the like, the other is major sponsorship. It appears that the lack of small business sponsorship comes from a lack of trust in the owner/corporate governance. I regularly heard, "I'm not giving my money to Con/Tinkler because I don't trust him." Good corporate governance will help rectify this.

The lack of major sponsorship, I believe, is due to a structural problem in our community. Our dominant industries are coal, building, health, government, education and none of these have need to advertise. So sponsorship has to either be an act of philanthropy, or we need to make the Newcastle Jets brand something that is so appealing to major consumer markets that big brands see the value of placing their brand on the Jets strip. I think the later approach is likely to be more successful, mainly because it can be sustainable, whereas philanthropy funds can just be cut.

I also believe that from both Con and Tinkler, there was a short term outlook toward major sponsorship. "Our front of shirt is worth this much per year. Take it or leave it." It was never about building branding synergy over many years. And that's the kind of thing sponsors like. Both guys would have rejected under-valued sponsorships but if they selected the right sponsor they could have taken less money now but built the value up over time through good sponsor relations.

The advantage that Newcastle has over any other A-League club is that our supporter base includes mainstream novocastrians from all walks of life. We aren't a migrant curiosity. We have a rich history from Minmi Rangers of 1886 to Reg Date to Craig Johnstone that appeals to the mainstream. And the advantage of this is that we can take ownership of all of it as part of the Novocastrian spirit. This richness is something that no other A-League team has. This all needs to be tied together so that mainstream people from all Australian cities feel something toward the Jets, and like to watch them. Because advertisers love mainstream appeal. They also like to tap into culture and history, so if Carlsberg, for example, likes us because we have our own unique version of football history, linked into Liverpool via Craig Johnstone, then this could really work.

Do you notice how Football pundits and administrators love saying that Newcastle has a strong football history from the Newcastle coalfields. It's a romantic story. I don't hear them say that when talking about any other A-League club and we should take advantage of it.

That is where the Supporters Committee can do some really valuable work. You can help create and promote this attractive myth. Work out ways that this myth is cultivated. But it also has to be kept in mind that it is something that has broad appeal, Like Més que un club has amongst Spaniards and all people generally, because it makes them feel that they can belong to that spirit. It can't be a "We're Novocastrian, you're not" kind of thing.

I know that this is nebulous stuff, but man, if we could nut this out and get in the ear of David Gallop, we could have ourselves a great and sustainable club for the first time in our history.

[GazFish35]

thanks hauss

i offered up a quick history lesson regarding e&C at the least meeting and there were many blank faces.
Im working on rectifying this.

[Jeterpool]

Just be careful you don't kill it by acting too rashly. The level of involvement you want can be built over time, with trust. IMO the primary objective of this committee at the moment should be to establish itself and ensure its continuity through all these ownership shenanigans. To me its not really that important if it mostly deals with superficial stuff now, so long as it also slowly acts as a vehicle to giving the club a deeper insight into how supporters want to engage with the club.

It seems the club under Middleby set this up only if it dealt with side issues. Tinkler is even less likely to want interference.


every concern raised here about the process is concern i share, but haus has hit the nail on the ehad about it taking time and must be based on growing trust.
i think this is why the above point may appear to be true..... theyre still testing the waters as much as we are.

lets not throw the baby out with bathwater.

Been in a meeting all day but am catching up on the discussion. Building trust is going to take time and I agree with you hauss, but as Toby says we need to be honest with ourselves and all parties retain a level of accountability.

We've had one meeting, let's see where we are by the end of the third or fourth.

[hausmann]

I think you guys should get together and discuss all these developments if you can. Shit's going down.

[Jeterpool]

I think you guys should get together and discuss all these developments if you can. Shit's going down.

I think so too. If we still exist

[hawk]

I think you guys should get together and discuss all these developments if you can. Shit's going down.

As you put it to me last time thats outside of their delegated membership agenda and they wont accept other discussion remember.

[hausmann]

As you put it to me last time thats outside of their delegated membership agenda and they wont accept other discussion remember.

Yes I know. What I mean is that the supporters should get together away from the club to discuss it. Obviously Tinkler isn't going to listen to fans about any of this. If the FFA moves and takes Tinkler's license, the supporter committee should be ready to put their hands up as spokespeople for the entire fan base, not just the Squadron. They have legitimacy.

[Blackmac79]

Q. Jeterpool and Gav do you guys have contact details for other members of the Committee.

[GazFish35]

Q. Jeterpool and Gav do you guys have contact details for other members of the Committee.

Yes.
But we've agreed as a group to not pass others details around without consent, until we have a more structured method of contact.
If there's someone on the committee in particular you would like to contact, I can contact them on your behalf, and have them get in touch.


This pathway of communication is one thing I am asking to be placed on the next agenda.
I fully respect the decision, and 100% agree with it! that members private emails are not made public, s won't be publicising the others emails addresses.

I am hoping that we can set up a method of communication that allows this direct contact to occur, perhaps through our own @newcastlejets email address.....its something I'm working on. Until then, send me an email, or PM and I can contact them on your behalf.

This issue, I don't believe, was something that the club rep organising the group is trying to control or censor, just that it's an issue we moved for further discussion beyond the already jam pack agenda from the first meeting.

[Blackmac79]

Yes.
But we've agreed as a group to not pass others details around without consent, until we have a more structured method of contact.
If there's someone on the committee in particular you would like to contact, I can contact them on your behalf, and have them get in touch.


This pathway of communication is one thing I am asking to be placed on the next agenda.
I fully respect the decision, and 100% agree with it! that members private emails are not made public, s won't be publicising the others emails addresses.

I am hoping that we can set up a method of communication that allows this direct contact to occur, perhaps through our own @newcastlejets email address.....its something I'm working on. Until then, send me an email, or PM and I can contact them on your behalf.

This issue, I don't believe, was something that the club rep organising the group is trying to control or censor, just that it's an issue we moved for further discussion beyond the already jam pack agenda from the first meeting.

Was more asking for the idea of you guys getting together.

[GazFish35]

Were are planning to.

[MFKS]

Assuming our ownership issue is resolved satisfactorily soon you blokes able to bring up the issue of our colours??

I would like to see the red and blue banished and either embrace the e&c as our colours or go back to gold. Either one I will be happy with. I do though want the colours changed from the current dictators colour choice as part of our overhaul

[Jeterpool]

Assuming our ownership issue is resolved satisfactorily soon you blokes able to bring up the issue of our colours??

I would like to see the red and blue banished and either embrace the e&c as our colours or go back to gold. Either one I will be happy with. I do though want the colours changed from the current dictators colour choice as part of our overhaul

It's a logical move. New owner wins fans by making e&c and gold home and away kits. Then makes money by selling said new merch

[Jeterpool]

Not long to get your ideas in people. What do you want us to put forward?

[MFKS]

Not long to get your ideas in people. What do you want us to put forward?

Assuming something happens with Tinkler Going New Overlord

Any chance of a public meeting for you blokes to host the rank and file plebs to garner the ideas we plebs may have for you to put forward to our new overlord??

More so to sauce the fans for ideas outside of the foz illuminati to diversify your ideas??

Might be a bit hard to sort out before your next meeting but in the future??

[Jeterpool]

Assuming something happens with Tinkler Going New Overlord

Any chance of a public meeting for you blokes to host the rank and file plebs to garner the ideas we plebs may have for you to put forward to our new overlord??

More so to sauce the fans for ideas outside of the foz illuminati to diversify your ideas??

Might be a bit hard to sort out before your next meeting but in the future??

Short answer is yes. That's part of our plan

[Premy]

Jets FB gave you a special mention Jetterpool

[Jeterpool]

Jets FB gave you a special mention Jetterpool

Yeah I saw that :blush: ha ha

[joel31]

you guys should ask Tinks to show his commitment to the club by meeting with you as representatives of the clubs fans. You can then respectfully discuss issues with him and suggest a return to the gold

[Blackmac79]

How did meeting with each other go?

[Jeterpool]

How did meeting with each other go?

It went well. We all attended and focused the discussions on the communication processes with the club. While I'd like to share what we talked about, we will be taking some things from it to the club so out of respect for them and the committee process I think it best we speak with them directly instead of sharing it through this medium. However once the meeting has been held I will certainly share.

However, I will say we sorted ourselves out within the committee and we have what we believe are solid, yet fair, proposals

[BodyNovo]

It went well. We all attended and focused the discussions on the communication processes with the club. While I'd like to share what we talked about, we will be taking some things from it to the club so out of respect for them and the committee process I think it best we speak with them directly instead of sharing it through this medium. However once the meeting has been held I will certainly share.

However, I will say we sorted ourselves out within the committee and we have what we believe are solid, yet fair, proposals

although i have spoken to fish, i would agree you keep it to yourselves until you have had direct contact with the correct parties, whatever you do don't become a closed shop, squadron is still getting abuse for being a closed shop today.

keep up the good work but, good to see you guys are pro active

[GazFish35]

although i have spoken to fish, i would agree you keep it to yourselves until you have had direct contact with the correct parties, whatever you do don't become a closed shop, squadron is still getting abuse for being a closed shop today.

keep up the good work but, good to see you guys are pro active

cheers bodi.
closed shop is the last thing we want, and its what we are working towards avoiding.

process is a bit slow as the meetings are currently so infrequent. and working trelationships are still being built. all positive so far.

still very very early days in what i hope is a structure within the club that lasts for decades.
just trying to get it all right to start with!

[Jeterpool]

although i have spoken to fish, i would agree you keep it to yourselves until you have had direct contact with the correct parties, whatever you do don't become a closed shop, squadron is still getting abuse for being a closed shop today.

keep up the good work but, good to see you guys are pro active

Thanks BodyNovo

Closed shop is not what we want, but as Gaz has said, this is early days and trust is being built. We will continue to share the outcomes from the meeting with the Jets once we have them.

[Blackmac79]

Hi blackmac,

Thank you for your email and apologies for my delayed response.

Thanks for being so transparent with your communications to some of the Members from the Members sub-committee. I do appreciate that, and I also understand all of our Members frustrations at the moment especially since what has transpired over the past few weeks.

The formation of the Members sub-committee, and I think all of the Members will agree, is a really great step in the right direction. We have only had one meeting thus far and it is going to take time for these meetings to operate as efficiently as they can.

We have made it clear from the start that the group will act in a consultative manner proving a range of views across different stakeholder groups of the Member’s base and we outlined a number of objectives that we hope to achieve as a group including to enhance the relationship between the Club and it’s Members and for our Members to play a role in achieving success.

We also made it clear that the formation of the sub-committee was not to discuss football related issues such as team performance and selection.

As I said, the sub-committee is in early stages and I am sure that it will organically form over the coming months into a really positive focus for the Club and it’s Members.

If you would like to chat further about the sub-committee, please feel free to call me at any time.

Thanks blackmac.

Brooke Cousins.

[BodyNovo]

i think you can tell brooke's hands are tied in all of this

[Blackmac79]

Oh absolutely. I have nothing against brooke at all. Every time I have talked with her it has been reasonable however reduced due to restrictions.

I only posted this email here cause my original was public.

[MFKS]

We also made it clear that the formation of the sub-committee was not to discuss football related issues such as team performance and selection.

I take it that is the clubs reply into the query about coaches being involved with player agents??

[stopper2]

I take it that is the clubs reply into the query about coaches being involved with player agents??

The lack of transparency at the Jets has got markedly worse in the last 12 months. That is another reason why we need a total clean-out and start afresh. Too much bullshit, too many lies, too many people pushing their own agendas, too many "jobs for the boys" been going on for too long and that is why the club has failed. Remember when the old NSL had the "Crawford Report" into the state of the game and recommendations on how to improve it? I think we need a similar thing done here at the Jets so we as supporters know WHY our club has continually failed to get into the top 60% of teams in a comp governed by a salary cap!!!

[hawk]

The lack of transparency at the Jets has got markedly worse in the last 12 months. That is another reason why we need a total clean-out and start afresh.
Too much bullshit, too many lies, too many people pushing their own agendas, too many "jobs for the boys" been going on for too long and that is why the club has failed.
Remember when the old NSL had the "Crawford Report" into the state of the game and recommendations on how to improve it? I think we need a similar thing done here at the Jets so we as supporters know WHY our club has continually failed to get into the top 60% of teams in a comp governed by a salary cap!!!

this x100

Plus we rarely even bother with using the marquee $ and those other player incentives that other clubs always use.

[hawk]

It went well. We all attended and focused the discussions on the communication processes with the club. While I'd like to share what we talked about, we will be taking some things from it to the club so out of respect for them and the committee process I think it best we speak with them directly instead of sharing it through this medium. However once the meeting has been held I will certainly share.

However, I will say we sorted ourselves out within the committee and we have what we believe are solid, yet fair, proposals

just keep puting those meeting minutes/summaries/actions up after each official meeting. they were good.



squadron is still getting abuse for being a closed shop today.



hold off on those comments. theres a bit more to it that.

[lquiquer]

The lack of transparency at the Jets has got markedly worse in the last 12 months. That is another reason why we need a total clean-out and start afresh. Too much bullshit, too many lies, too many people pushing their own agendas, too many "jobs for the boys" been going on for too long and that is why the club has failed. Remember when the old NSL had the "Crawford Report" into the state of the game and recommendations on how to improve it? I think we need a similar thing done here at the Jets so we as supporters know WHY our club has continually failed to get into the top 60% of teams in a comp governed by a salary cap!!!

Yep^^^^ agree

[Blackmac79]

2 things

1) stop playing Kanye after NTUA

2) stop the ground announcer with his fabricated armosphere

[BodyNovo]

2 things

1) stop playing Kanye after NTUA

2) stop the ground announcer with his fabricated armosphere

i would go so much ****ing further.

the ground announcer has 1 job imo and thats to announce the team sheet.

[plague]

i would go so much ****ing further.

the ground announcer has 1 job imo and thats to announce the team sheet.

But how will we know when to 'make sum noize'?

[sammydog]

The ground announcer reached new lows at the start of the second half. His attempts to rev up the crowd just made people cringe.

[MFKS]

The ground announcer reached new lows at the start of the second half. His attempts to rev up the crowd just made people cringe.

Second Half?? I cringe everytime he does it.

So Gypo it isn't funny.

What next some giant sauce bottles and a cannon??

[sammydog]

The key words in my post were "new lows".

There is no need for it before, after or during the game other than to announce the line ups.

This was bought before the committee last time wasn't it? How is it he is getting worse?

[GazFish35]

I think it's a new bloke.

The thing that got me was that he was telling us all to make noise because the rbb are so good at being loud etc etc.

[GazFish35]

what are peoples thoughts on colours?


is it too much chopping and changing to move away from red&blue?

id like to see e&c as home kit, and gold away.

[BodyNovo]

Gold home

E and C away

[pv4]

id like to see e&c as home kit, and gold away.

Yes

[WolfMan]

Gold home


E and C away


Gets my vote

[plague]

But how will people know we are from Newcastle if we don't wear red and blue?

[Jeterpool]

But how will people know we are from Newcastle if we don't wear red and blue?

By the shithouse "football" we play.

[Jeterpool]

Gold home

E and C away

This for me.

I think one thing we can agree on is those should be the colours for the future

[pv4]

But how will people know we are from Newcastle if we don't wear red and blue?

You're right. If only we had colours that were iconic of the city, possibly feature on our coat of arms, and were the towns sporting colours from early days..

[sammydog]

Gold for home, E & C for away for me.

But the early gold on the Reebok kits was far better then the gold material at the end.

[Jeterpool]

But the early gold on the Reebok kits was far better then the gold material at the end.

This is very true

[MFKS]

I actually wish we actually went the E&C Fulltime.

We would not need an away kit until NQF come back.



I also feel green is a massively powerful colour when done en mass.

Certain colours work well and have a power. Gold of the Socceroos Orange of the Dutch look very powerful en mass.

Be like St Patrick Day All Year Round

[plague]

You're right. If only we had colours that were iconic of the city, possibly feature on our coat of arms, and were the towns sporting colours from early days..

I know right.
We should change the cities flag and coat of arms to red and blue to avoid any confusion.

[plague]

Actually if big Tinks is actually hell bent on really getting the club going again getting rid of the red and blue should be a no brainer right?
But of a middle finger to the Knights as well as listening to the fans.

[joel31]

Gold home

E and C away
My preference

[Jeterpool]

Does anyone have any contributions about the contents of the membership pack. I've got lanyard design, magnet draw quality and key ring quality.

Anyone want to see anything else instead of a hat or scarf? Agenda submissions close on Friday

[q-money]

card thickness is an issue

also make the hat something someone would want to wear...say the peak should be in the shape of a jet

[sammydog]

Does anyone have any contributions about the contents of the membership pack. I've got lanyard design, magnet draw quality and key ring quality.

Anyone want to see anything else instead of a hat or scarf? Agenda submissions close on Friday

My wife will disagree, but I'd prefer a scarf to a hat if there had to be a choice.

Lanyard is bit of a non event to me, but the one a few years back where you could detach the ticket part with a clip, that was a good one.

The ultimate though, a Jets keyring/bottle opener.

[Blackmac79]

The ultimate though, a Jets keyring/bottle opener.

You ask too much.

[380]

Season supply of NoDoz should Stubbins remain in charge.

[sammydog]

You ask too much.

But I am happy with the thin membership cards, surely thats a fair compromise?

Tell them to sell one, then take my money.

[Grimario]

Does anyone have any contributions about the contents of the membership pack. I've got lanyard design, magnet draw quality and key ring quality.

Anyone want to see anything else instead of a hat or scarf? Agenda submissions close on Friday

Assume pricing of the non ticketed ones is on the agenda? The fact that it was $80 or whatever stupid cost it was for no ticket was ludicrous. Had no drama paying the $40 extra when I got to sit through our shit football and hurl abuse at coasties (and others) as they walked below me into the tunnel but without the games, pricing was extortion.

Should have the club contact Innova or Discraft and get club stamped discs. :gent:

[BodyNovo]

The ****ing draw we have got the last year has gotten smaller and this year it moved to paper and double sided

Get the whole fixtures on one side and don't make me put blue tack behind it and have to look at it every second week one side or the other


Priority is on q mans hat but

[Blackmac79]

Assume pricing of the non ticketed ones is on the agenda? The fact that it was $80 or whatever stupid cost it was for no ticket was ludicrous. Had no drama paying the $40 extra when I got to sit through our shit football and hurl abuse at coasties (and others) as they walked below me into the tunnel but without the games, pricing was extortion.

Should have the club contact Innova or Discraft and get club stamped discs. :gent:

There has to be a tax on those too stupid not to live in Newy.

[Grimario]

There has to be a tax on those too stupid not to live in Newy.

More like a bonus they should be paying me for supporting this lot instead of jumping ship to Elrich FC.

[GazFish35]

Cost of non-ticketed membership has been submitted.

[MFKS]

More like a bonus they should be paying me for supporting this lot instead of jumping ship to Elrich FC.

The bonus you get is you get to watch it on Tv and not live it first hand.

You get the shits with how we are going you can turn the idiot box off and go play Disc Golf.


You should be thankful for your blessing

[belchardo]

The bonus you get is you get to watch it on Tv and not live it first hand.

You get the shits with how we are going you can turn the idiot box off and go play Disc Golf.


You should be thankful for your blessing

WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO ANDY HARPER!!!!! it ain't no bloody cake walk at home member.

[MFKS]

WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO ANDY HARPER!!!!! it ain't no bloody cake walk at home member.

Hit the ****ing mute button :sigh: :thumbsup:

[hawk]

My wife will disagree, but I'd prefer a scarf to a hat if there had to be a choice.

Lanyard is bit of a non event to me, but the one a few years back where you could detach the ticket part with a clip, that was a good one.

The ultimate though, a Jets keyring/bottle opener.

coffee cup, no celebrations with beer anytime soon.

[plague]

Jets bong.


(asking for a friend).

[MFKS]

Jets bong.


(asking for a friend).
Yeah Yeah Nudge Nudge Wink Wink

[joel31]

Can you get the club to stop using #nibjetsfans

[GazFish35]

We could ask, but seeing as the club needs cash from sponsors I doubt you'll get a positive response.

[sammydog]

Might just want to point out to them, that their current promotion for "Best Members and Fans Ever" giving a reward of discounted tickets to all home games, is more of a slap in the face to the 10,000+ who stumped up the cash for a season pass.

Not really good marketing to reward the faithful, by giving everyone else a discount.

[Jeterpool]

This sort of thing came up at the first meeting and I think we'll be raising it again

[GazFish35]

Might just want to point out to them, that their current promotion for "Best Members and Fans Ever" giving a reward of discounted tickets to all home games, is more of a slap in the face to the 10,000+ who stumped up the cash for a season pass.

Not really good marketing to reward the faithful, by giving everyone else a discount.


You're right, they should be saying, get you ticket scanned this weekend and get $20 off your membership next season.

Or free beers until we score .

[MFKS]

Or free beers until we score .

Tinks is broke enough already

[belchardo]

Tinks is broke enough already

nah, it'll be "free beers until we score^"

^ 1 beer per person per game, must be collected at the bar at the far end of the ground where there is only 1 person serving using a tap with a flow rate of 1mL/hour. Beer will also be flat, warm and light.

[Blackmac79]

Report Please.

[GazFish35]

In short.

Murphy appears to be the business.

[380]

In short.

Murphy appears to be the business.


Not til he can defy his boss and punt Mr 1 from 19.

[lquiquer]

:thumbsup:
Not til he can defy his boss and punt Mr 1 from 19.

[GazFish35]

The meeting was good, and the issues we raised from our own meeting held outside this one were all accepted, but out of respect for the process we are starting I think we should wait till the minutes have been published to expand on things.

[MFKS]

The meeting was good, and the issues we raised from our own meeting held outside this one were all accepted, but out of respect for the process we are starting I think we should wait till the minutes have been published to expand on things.

??

So you had one meeting with Murphy and the head honchos at the club and then a separate one amongst yourselves I take it???

[plague]

In short.

Murphy appears to be the business.

any punches thrown?

I'd be disappointed if Jeterpool didnt throw hands with someone.

[GazFish35]

Duffield Thomas and Andy are man city folk and they nearly came to blows with Furns and Jeterpool when Murphy mentioned ballotelli was being sounded out as marquee.


but I don't want to talk out of turn. :)

[MFKS]

Duffield Thomas and Andy are man city folk and they nearly came to blows with Furns and Jeterpool when Murphy mentioned ballotelli was being sounded out as marquee.


but I don't want to talk out of turn. :)

This serious??:wtf:

**** How good would it be if true. :thumbsup:

Imagine Ballotelli up front. Be the crowning achievement on our circus of a club.

LULZ GALORE

[GazFish35]

Not serious.

Sorry member

[lquiquer]

Not serious.

Sorry member

Ballotelli would have never heard of (And Nothing wrong with that, after all he is a nobody) who we refer to as 1 in 19 //// 1 in 25ish..... I never heard heard of him bfore 5 may 2014 !! :blush:.....Not even sure he (Mario) heard of Australia before anyway????!!!

[lquiquer]

Ballotelli would have never heard of (And Nothing wrong with that, after all he is a nobody) who we refer to as 1 in 19 //// 1 in 25ish..... I never heard heard of him bfore 5 may 2014 !! :blush:.....Not even sure he (Mario) heard of Australia before anyway????!!!

And to clarify things : he was Number 2 (Hummm!! Number 2 !! ) at Grimario's current home town

[MFKS]

Not serious.

Sorry member
What a shame.
I would happily put up with Stubbins for 10 years with no complaints if we got 1 year of Ballotellis antics

[lquiquer]

What a shame.
I would happily put up with Stubbins for 10 years with no complaints if we got 1 year of Ballotellis antics

No chance Argyle not big enough :lol:

[MFKS]

No chance Argyle not big enough :lol:

He will just bring some fireworks and make it big enough

[pv4]

Are you guys able to give us a sneaky update on the pool situation or best left for the official report?

[Blackmac79]

The meeting was good, and the issues we raised from our own meeting held outside this one were all accepted, but out of respect for the process we are starting I think we should wait till the minutes have been published to expand on things.

I think that the club should accept your independence from them and allow you to publish your own views on what was discussed. Would love to read an individual report from each of the committee members. Also **** MDT, only good for talking shit, pretending to know what supporting football is all about, and telling us what he thinks we want.

[hawk]

The meeting was good, and the issues we raised from our own meeting held outside this one were all accepted, but out of respect for the process we are starting I think we should wait till the minutes have been published to expand on things.

don't go all self important on us.

You cant report a meeting from a 2 minute group to a bunch of losers who have been dragging on for 10 years. dam the pissant process

[GazFish35]

Trying to build some trust. Can't do that by talking out of turn!

Meeting was positive.

We are moving forward :)

[plague]

Can you at least tell us if there was cake?

[lquiquer]

Are you guys able to give us a sneaky update on the pool situation or best left for the official report?

are u PV4 able to give us a sneaky update on the Sheep situation or best left for the official answers?

[MFKS]

Trying to build some trust. Can't do that by talking out of turn!

Meeting was positive.

We are moving forward :)

You ****s have been brainwashed:rof:

[lquiquer]

We are moving forward :)

Watch out for the chicane ...., :angry:

[GazFish35]

??

So you had one meeting with Murphy and the head honchos at the club and then a separate one amongst yourselves I take it???
Sorry , missed this.

We met as a group independent from the club before the Brisbane game.

[GazFish35]

No cake.
But there was a pool.

Very small ones that we filled from a central storage device.

Many drank their pools during the meeting.


Mine was schooner shaped.

[Jeterpool]

I can confirm the thickness of cards was brought up at the meeting.

I'd also like to echo what Gaz has said about Mitchell Murphy. I was also impressed with what he had to say and the vision he has for the club. He appears to have a fair amount of autonomy in his role.

He's also not sitting back and waiting for people to come to him either. He's taking the initiative to develop relationships in both the football and business community which can only be a good thing.

Also, re meeting content, we spoke about the items which were raised from the meeting back in February that the committee members organized between themselves, reviewed the last meeting minutes actions/progress and discussed membership packages issues for next season.

[MFKS]

I can confirm the thickness of cards was brought up at the meeting.

I'd also like to echo what Gaz has said about Mitchell Murphy. I was also impressed with what he had to say and the vision he has for the club. He appears to have a fair amount of autonomy in his role.

He's also not sitting back and waiting for people to come to him either. He's taking the initiative to develop relationships in both the football and business community which can only be a good thing.

Also, re meeting content, we spoke about the items which were raised from the meeting back in February that the committee members organized between themselves, reviewed the last meeting minutes actions/progress and discussed membership packages issues for next season.

Re Membership Did you raise the subject that Murphy will have an infinitely easier time selling Membership packages if he gets rid of 1&20

[Grimario]

And to clarify things : he was Number 2 (Hummm!! Number 2 !! ) at Grimario's current home town

The amusing thing is he is still a Number 2.

[Jeterpool]

Re Membership Did you raise the subject that Murphy will have an infinitely easier time selling Membership packages if he gets rid of 1&20

We said the club face a challenge to sell memberships next year given what we've heard from fellow fans because of the lack of on-field success and the goings-on of the last 6 weeks.

[stopper2]

We said the club face a challenge to sell memberships next year given what we've heard from fellow fans because of the lack of on-field success and the goings-on of the last 6 weeks.

That's good that this was raised because that is the reality facing the club. Just talking to people in general and seeing on social media, the fact is that if Tinkler and Stubbins remain many many current members will not be renewing for next season. FFA and Gallop probably more so than Murphy need to realise that this is the current situation; Novocastrians are just not buying into the "moving forward" and "rebuilding" crap coming from the mouths of Tinkler and Stubbins

[Jeterpool]

That's good that this was raised because that is the reality facing the club. Just talking to people in general and seeing on social media, the fact is that if Tinkler and Stubbins remain many many current members will not be renewing for next season. FFA and Gallop probably more so than Murphy need to realise that this is the current situation; Novocastrians are just not buying into the "moving forward" and "rebuilding" crap coming from the mouths of Tinkler and Stubbins

Agree with what you say. However, having met Mitchell Murphy I genuinely think we've appointed someone who really can turn this around.

[380]

That's good that this was raised because that is the reality facing the club. Just talking to people in general and seeing on social media, the fact is that if Tinkler and Stubbins remain many many current members will not be renewing for next season. FFA and Gallop probably more so than Murphy need to realise that this is the current situation; Novocastrians are just not buying into the "moving forward" and "rebuilding" crap coming from the mouths of Tinkler and Stubbins

All too true.

At my young blokes training yesterday afternoon i spoke with three fathers who were most adament they would not be buying family membership next season if Stubbins remained at the club.

[BodyNovo]

i think you will find stubbins will not get a second chance next season if the results remain the same

the current period till the end of the season is a "show cause" for next season.

[MFKS]

i think you will find stubbins will not get a second chance next season if the results remain the same

the current period till the end of the season is a "show cause" for next season.
The big problem is under no circumstances should he get an opportunity next season.

He stays membership plummets unless we are top of the League people are on his case. We struggle next year and then have to sack him then another year of rebuilding to endure.

Lets cut our losses now and give the new bloke time to sign players NOW for next year

[BodyNovo]

remember member

the bloke is 2 weeks in the door.

he needs to see the big picture for himself.

while it might be obvious for us, it might take a bloke who has 1000 issues take a while to see the light.

give the bloke some time

he has the hardest job in the a league IMO, your best mate middleby had it as well.

[lquiquer]

remember member

the bloke is 2 weeks in the door.

he needs to see the big picture for himself.

while it might be obvious for us, it might take a bloke who has 1000 issues take a while to see the light.

give the bloke some time

he has the hardest job in the a league IMO, your best mate middleby had it as well.

If he starts reading the Foz, it would only take him 1 hour to see the light...........

[Jeterpool]

If he starts reading the Foz, it would only take him 1 hour to see the light...........

And think "who is this bunch of jabbering idiots" :lulz:

[Jeterpool]

remember member

the bloke is 2 weeks in the door.

he needs to see the big picture for himself.

while it might be obvious for us, it might take a bloke who has 1000 issues take a while to see the light.

give the bloke some time

he has the hardest job in the a league IMO, your best mate middleby had it as well.

I agree Body.

[la bazzle]

The big problem is under no circumstances should he get an opportunity next season.

He stays membership plummets unless we are top of the League people are on his case. We struggle next year and then have to sack him then another year of rebuilding to endure.

Lets cut our losses now and give the new bloke time to sign players NOW for next year

Me agree. Best thing you've ever said.

[MFKS]

remember member

the bloke is 2 weeks in the door.

he needs to see the big picture for himself.

while it might be obvious for us, it might take a bloke who has 1000 issues take a while to see the light.

give the bloke some time

he has the hardest job in the a league IMO, your best mate middleby had it as well.

So your saying we should cover the stadium in Anti Stubbins banners and chants saying how much we despise him??

Help him get the message

Also does he have a Twitter Account??

I would like to follow him.

On a serious note I will actually express that at this stage the Member is highly impressed and thinks he does appear to be doing a pretty damn good job.

Just wish he would hurry up and see the light and sack Stubbins. I am getting sick of wasting my day's off painting banners

[380]

So your saying we should cover the stadium in Anti Stubbins banners and chants saying how much we despise him??

Help him get the message

Also does he have a Twitter Account??

I would like to follow him.

On a serious note I will actually express that at this stage the Member is highly impressed and thinks he does appear to be doing a pretty damn good job.

Just wish he would hurry up and see the light and sack Stubbins. I am getting sick of wasting my day's off painting banners

Just keep up the complaining and good work.

[Tommyjet]

So your saying we should cover the stadium in Anti Stubbins banners and chants saying how much we despise him??

Help him get the message

Also does he have a Twitter Account??

I would like to follow him.

On a serious note I will actually express that at this stage the Member is highly impressed and thinks he does appear to be doing a pretty damn good job.

Just wish he would hurry up and see the light and sack Stubbins. I am getting sick of wasting my day's off painting banners

Who's to say he hasn't seen the light? Probably has but knows that is one area he can't touch just yet because of fat man

[lquiquer]

Who's to say he hasn't seen the light? Probably has but knows that is one area he can't touch just yet because of fat man

Shame he can't sack fatboy!!!..... But surely he can sack Mr 1 in 20... ?? :brrr:

[sammydog]

Shame he can't sack fatboy!!!..... But surely he can sack Mr 1 in 20... ?? :brrr:

Not if the owner wants to keep him.

[Blackmac79]

How long do we wait before we get to see this go public?

Or is it usual to keep your fans waiting in the dark. Is this not supposed to open lines of communication? Only works if we know what is going on.

MDT out. Pv4 in. (But seriously)

[terry]

How long do we wait before we get to see this go public?

Or is it usual to keep your fans waiting for ages.

MDT out. Pv4 in.

there's heaps of important business to do man

[Blackmac79]

there's heaps of important business to do man

- sell corporate boxes
- sell fence advertising
- bullshit, bullshit, bullshit
- stop squadron banners as it covers advertising
- stop squadron singing as corporates can focus on cash changing hands

[Rocknerd]

The meeting was good, and the issues we raised from our own meeting held outside this one were all accepted, but out of respect for the process we are starting I think we should wait till the minutes have been published to expand on things.

Okay so I'm not sure if I've missed the release of the minutes but since the club seems to be taking the piss can we start talking about tur meeting now?
3 weeks is long enough

[GazFish35]

You've not missed them.


Without offering excuses, this clearly demonstrates the fact the club are understaffed.

[lquiquer]

You've not missed them.


Without offering excuses, this clearly demonstrates the fact the club are understaffed.

Understaffed or just don't care much about fans. 2 IN 22 in the Herald yesterday said after his second win that he was happy for the players, the owner and the staff...... You think he could have been happy for the Fans

[Jeterpool]

Understaffed or just don't care much about fans. 2 IN 22 in the Herald yesterday said after his second win that he was happy for the players, the owner and the staff...... You think he could have been happy for the Fans

I'm going to defend Brooke and the team here. That's certainly something I'd never say about them. In just a short while I've seen these people working very hard to put on a game day for the fans and perhaps in doing so, the minutes haven't been at the top of their list.

Let's not forget, as we understand it, these people didn't get paid on time either last month and they are still owed Superannuation. I know this would impact me.

[BodyNovo]

this is actually pretty disappointing. 3 weeks is way to long IMO, regardless of the staffing levels.

you guys should be from the next meeting begin to start putting in plans for you to distribute the minutes when you see fit or be allowed to hold them accountable publicly when they do not meet a deadline.

I would love to know the outcomes of the minutes as well as many other fans.

Also now that you have your own communication network it is hard for people to provide you with ideas, questions if no one knows what you have discussed.

There are some massive issues currently with the Fans, and the membership deadline for material i know is very close as they have to submit it prior to the season ending.

i understand that it is only the 2nd meeting and there is going to be difficulties on both fronts, but this is a pretty key period at the moment in our existence and this stuff is important.

[GazFish35]

furns, jeterpool, check your emails

[Jeterpool]

furns, jeterpool, check your emails

done

[militiamon]

this is actually pretty disappointing. 3 weeks is way to long IMO, regardless of the staffing levels.

you guys should be from the next meeting begin to start putting in plans for you to distribute the minutes when you see fit or be allowed to hold them accountable publicly when they do not meet a deadline.

I would love to know the outcomes of the minutes as well as many other fans.

Also now that you have your own communication network it is hard for people to provide you with ideas, questions if no one knows what you have discussed.

There are some massive issues currently with the Fans, and the membership deadline for material i know is very close as they have to submit it prior to the season ending.

i understand that it is only the 2nd meeting and there is going to be difficulties on both fronts, but this is a pretty key period at the moment in our existence and this stuff is important.

+1

[GazFish35]

I'm expecting they are published very shortly.


I'm going to raise this timeframe with relevant staff and while it's clearly a long turn around time and we can all jump on club about it being a demonstration of a lack of respect or lack of importance placed on the fans opinions.....

it's more importantly and more relevantly a clear demonstration of the lack of off field investment from the current owner. I've no doubt the people in the office are doing their best and that they are good people who are good at what they do, there's just not enough of them.

[hawk]

so precious aren't we. turned into a joke

[MFKS]

I'm expecting they are published very shortly.


I'm going to raise this timeframe with relevant staff and while it's clearly a long turn around time and we can all jump on club about it being a demonstration of a lack of respect or lack of importance placed on the fans opinions.....

it's more importantly and more relevantly a clear demonstration of the lack of off field investment from the current owner. I've no doubt the people in the office are doing their best and that they are good people who are good at what they do, there's just not enough of them.

Lack of investment may be one thing. It also just shows the clubs issues in all their light.

A competent organisation would find the time to get this sorted in 3 weeks and would not keep shuffling it to the bottom of the to do list and paying lip service to their fans.

I find it offensive that you guys give up your time and effort for the cause as you feel passionately about the club and wish to see us succeed yet the club can't be arsed getting the minutes done. Just so disrespectful to you and the rest of the supporters.

Not surprised in the least but just not good enough

Get the little things right and the big things take care of themselves

[ToddG NBUnited]

the club may be short of numbers for paid staff, have they considered getting in interns to assist, get a journalist student or something similar for a few months at a time to get the experience in the industry and do jobs that don't require any actual qualifications, ie. typing up minutes.

[goaliepersempre]

why do they even need 3 weeks? minutes dont take that long to get out :P

or do they have the attitude to minutes that they produce them so can be read just before the next meeting attitude.

[sammydog]

why do they even need 3 weeks? minutes dont take that long to get out :P

or do they have the attitude to minutes that they produce them so can be read just before the next meeting attitude.

The biggest issue with waiting so long to put minutes out is that they become less likely as time progresses to be an accurate representation of what was actually discussed.

As time goes on, details will get lost.

[goaliepersempre]

The biggest issue with waiting so long to put minutes out is that they become less likely as time progresses to be an accurate representation of what was actually discussed.

As time goes on, details will get lost.

exactly

[GazFish35]

the club may be short of numbers for paid staff, have they considered getting in interns to assist, get a journalist student or something similar for a few months at a time to get the experience in the industry and do jobs that don't require any actual qualifications, ie. typing up minutes.

This was raised in the first meeting and the answer was yes.
Perhaps those not getting paid, stopped volunteering when everyone else stopped getting paid. ;)

[Blackmac79]

I know you don't want to see it as a slight at the fans Gav, but in my opinion, and this is after last Friday I spoke to Brooke at length when picking stuff up from the club (I forgot about this issue, otherwise I would have raised it personally), it isn't the "easy" option to jump on the club for this.

Communication with your fans should be number 1
Working out how many boxes you sell for the next home game should come second, or if there is another issue that relates to the fans, third, or fourth or fifth..

It's ok we are understaffed so let us do the corporate shit first, mixed with a little PR bullshit, instead of ensuring the one line of meaningful communication between club and fans on a range of issues remains meaningful!

If it is an easy option to bag the club for this, it's only cause they make it so easy.

[GazFish35]

I agree with everyones sentiments, I'm as annoyed at this as anyone.
We do however now have, in its infancy, a formal pathway of communicatation, one I dont belive we should take lightly, or erode by jumping up and down about this issue.
I'll raise it, lodge our concerns and suggest a much tighter timeframe needs to occur.

But lets not make mountains out of mole hills.
Some genuine good was achieved last meeting.

[BodyNovo]

I agree with everyones sentiments, I'm as annoyed at this as anyone.
We do however now have, in its infancy, a formal pathway of communicatation, one I dont belive we should take lightly, or erode by jumping up and down about this issue.
I'll raise it, lodge our concerns and suggest a much tighter timeframe needs to occur.

But lets not make mountains out of mole hills.
Some genuine good was achieved last meeting.

these points wrap it up for me, in regards to the whole situation

we 'the fans' take this committee very seriously, the main question is how serious are the club going to take it.

this is not a good start, hopefully its just teething issues.

[plague]

the club may be short of numbers for paid staff, have they considered getting in interns to assist, get a journalist student or something similar for a few months at a time to get the experience in the industry and do jobs that don't require any actual qualifications, ie. typing up minutes.

457 visas?
Or straight into the slave labour market?

[GazFish35]

these points wrap it up for me, in regards to the whole situation

we 'the fans' take this committee very seriously, the main question is how serious are the club going to take it.

this is not a good start, hopefully its just teething issues.

Some of what was acheived at the last meeting has empowered the fans further IMO
Some frank views were exchanged, some of which I've no doubt the club are now mulling over.

[GazFish35]

Kids on the field post game this Sunday.

A direct outcome of this idea being raised at the First meeting.

[Jeterpool]

Kids on the field post game this Sunday.

A direct outcome of this idea being raised at the First meeting.

Also players outside the ground a few weeks back. The continued focus on attractions out the front, the sorting out of NTUA, half time shoot out competitions.

[hawk]

So where did this 100 free active fans tix come from?

I haven't heard a word before.

[furns]

Something the squadron committee had requested. Not fan committee related

[GazFish35]

http://membership.newcastlejets.com.au/members-sub-committee

Finally published.
Meetings now happening bi-monthly instead of quarterly.
Fans can now set three agenda items outside of the scope of the meeting to be addressed.

[hawk]

Working with schools and teachers and getting players into schools more
to get the younger generation interested in football and starting to attend
games from an early age.

Most important. Get the players to the schools and set up that gala day tourney. It will be a generational winner. spesh after all this current crap has subsided.

kids on field is good.


Club to publish bios and photos of sub-committee Members.
Why?

[Grimario]

Most important. Get the players to the schools and set up that gala day tourney. It will be a generational winner. spesh after all this current crap has subsided.

kids on field is good.

.
Why?

At a guess so if someone sees a member, they can approach them and discuss something? Remember that not everyone is on the foz.

[GazFish35]

And so people know who the members are that are trying to represent their views to the club.

the eight of us are a pretty good cross section of the supporter base, and other than us saying that we figured a short bio on us all and group photo might help fans/members see more value in this process.

[hawk]

And so people know who the members are that are trying to represent their views to the club.

the eight of us are a pretty good cross section of the supporter base, and other than us saying that we figured a short bio on us all and group photo might help fans/members see more value in this process.

Is there a FB page for fans (who are not on ere) to communicate? cbf looking

[GazFish35]

The club has set up the committee meetings as an "event" so fans can post concerns.

Jeterpool, Maria, Liam and I often approach people on Facebook to give them the chance to expand on their concerns.

https://www.facebook.com/events/1504495659828328/

We are hoping to have a greater presence out the front of the stadium on match days in some form.

[MFKS]

The kick around thing went off. Was about 2000 out there having the time of their lives.

Good work getting it done.
Even strolled across the hallowed turf to take a short cut to the Tenzo

[Jeterpool]

The kick around thing went off. Was about 2000 out there having the time of their lives.

Good work getting it done.
Even strolled across the hallowed turf to take a short cut to the Tenzo

Cheers mate. Glad it was a success

[militiamon]

I get the feeling that the meeting without the club had a lot less BS than the meetings run by the club (just based on the minutes at least).

Any ideas on when the committee will become more independent? I noted that the attempt for the committee to become an actual 'committee' (rather than 'sub-committee' as the club likes to call you now) was shut down by the club, seemingly on the grounds that they want ultimate control of what is discussed, actions that are taken etc.
Maybe it needs to gain a bit more legitimacy through exposure to the broader members, but I envisage that at some point the whole club control thing is going to wear thin as the committee will want to discuss a wider range of issues than scarves and hats.

[GazFish35]

The kick around thing went off. Was about 2000 out there having the time of their lives.

Good work getting it done.
Even strolled across the hallowed turf to take a short cut to the Tenzo

Wicked. Hope all the kids out there enjoyed it too.

[MFKS]

Cheers mate. Glad it was a success
Saved me about 100m walk

Best thing ever

[GazFish35]

I get the feeling that the meeting without the club had a lot less BS than the meetings run by the club (just based on the minutes at least).

Any ideas on when the committee will become more independent? I noted that the attempt for the committee to become an actual 'committee' (rather than 'sub-committee' as the club likes to call you now) was shut down by the club, seemingly on the grounds that they want ultimate control of what is discussed, actions that are taken etc.
Maybe it needs to gain a bit more legitimacy through exposure to the broader members, but I envisage that at some point the whole club control thing is going to wear thin as the committee will want to discuss a wider range of issues than scarves and hats.

Agreed. But we are taking small sustainable steps, and the formal relationship is still young.

There was discussion about the structure of the committee, and frank views exchanged about being more than a focus group whose purpose has to become far more than a market research exercise.

[militiamon]

Good to hear.

Definitely thinking longer term here. I think it will take some more time until the broader membership base acknowledges it as their legitimate representative. Obviously if you were take those steps now you'd run the risk of being too obscure to do any good.

Way about it is definitely to get the name of the committee out there more, and it looks like you're taking the right steps in that direction with the bios + presence on match day. kutgw.

[Blackmac79]

Are the minutes a true representation.

[Jeterpool]

Are the minutes a true representation.

Yes. I believe they are. We didn't get through the entirety of the topics which were planned for discussion, hence some answers have been added post meeting.

[Jeterpool]

Good to hear.

Definitely thinking longer term here. I think it will take some more time until the broader membership base acknowledges it as their legitimate representative. Obviously if you were take those steps now you'd run the risk of being too obscure to do any good.

Way about it is definitely to get the name of the committee out there more, and it looks like you're taking the right steps in that direction with the bios + presence on match day. kutgw.

The presence on match days is something I really believe strongly in. I'm certainly willing to get there early and speak to people because at the moment all engagement is on line.

[GazFish35]

Are the minutes a true representation.

They're an accurate summary.
As Jeterpool said, there was a lot we didn't get to.
Having the agreement now that the mebers on the committe can stipulate three items for discussion is a step to having fans issues answered and not carried over.


much of the time spent in early part of the meeting on March2 was Murphy introdcuing himself and answering questions, prior to the meeting commencing

[GazFish35]

Next meeting coming soon.
Much of next meeting will focus on issues not discussed at the last due to time constraints.


Importantly the club have also allowed us to determine 3 agenda items.... That we need to submit prior to the meeting so that they can address them properly.

So, essentially the next meeting is 100% about fans issues.


If you'd like to flesh out some ideas not discussed on last agenda, or propose an issue for the inclusion as one of the three "new" issues sing out.


I'll summarise the issues not addressed..... Shortly.

[BodyNovo]

For God sakes get rid of the ****ing PA

His job is to announce the squad and subs and that's it

And no more pre game music

Thanks guys

[MFKS]

For God sakes get rid of the ****ing PA

His job is to announce the squad and subs and that's it

And no more pre game music

Thanks guys

Can you also point out to them that the bloke on the mic was encouraging people to bring banners to the game pre game at the Pissant match.

I take what he said on board bring one to the game and for some reason were asking us to take it down??

WTF Can we get an explanation at this glaring inconsistency??

[lquiquer]

Can you also point out to them that the bloke on the mic was encouraging people to bring banners to the game pre game at the Pissant match.

I take what he said on board bring one to the game and for some reason were asking us to take it down??

WTF Can we get an explanation at this glaring inconsistency??

Sounds like Twitter: You Twit how much you love them and how great they are and you get 50 Re-twit, you get on the big screen, FB........etc......... you name it. But you ask something they don't want to hear and they send you to Siberia.............

[lquiquer]

For God sakes get rid of the ****ing PA

His job is to announce the squad and subs and that's it

And no more pre game music

Thanks guys

F&^%$#g get rid of the PA all together ......put the team on the screen, and pretty sure we can all read.......

[hawk]

Next meeting coming soon.
Much of next meeting will focus on issues not discussed at the last due to time constraints.


Importantly the club have also allowed us to determine 3 agenda items.... That we need to submit prior to the meeting so that they can address them properly.

So, essentially the next meeting is 100% about fans issues.


If you'd like to flesh out some ideas not discussed on last agenda, or propose an issue for the inclusion as one of the three "new" issues sing out.


I'll summarise the issues not addressed..... Shortly.

So will the fan issues not discussed last time be on the agenda first? if so when do new fan issues get discussed?
Who decides which fan issues continually miss out on being discussed. is there a precedence of importance.
How long till after the meeting can issues be discussed? or are there security checks on what info can be discussed?
What happens to the issues that are never discussed but are still considered important?
The issues that are fobbed off by management do these become unimportant?

[GazFish35]

So will the fan issues not discussed last time be on the agenda first? if so when do new fan issues get discussed?
Who decides which fan issues continually miss out on being discussed. is there a precedence of importance.
How long till after the meeting can issues be discussed? or are there security checks on what info can be discussed?
What happens to the issues that are never discussed but are still considered important?
The issues that are fobbed off by management do these become unimportant?

1. Not sure. As a committee we are planning to put to them the priority order of us discussed matters. The next meeting will be the first in which new issues from the fans have been guaranteed a spot on the agenda, (an important development) so where they fit on the agenda has yet to be seen.
2. At this stage the chairperson. The last meeting was 2 and bit hours with MM understandably taking some time to introduce himself and answer questions. If not for this, all issues would have had time.
3. Issues relating to the scope of the meeting were discussed first, after matters arising.
4. No time limits have ever been set, no bag checks at the door. Both meetings have been open and we've never had "we can't/won't tell you", we have been asked to understand that at some point confidential matters may be discussed, and they are to remain confidential..... This hasn't happened yet...... Most likely in regards to sponsorship negotiations (I'm assuming)
5. We keep raising them.
6. No. See above.




Anything you'd like raised or fleshed out?

[hawk]

Anything you'd like raised or fleshed out?

just a few.

Discussion of meeting takes place next day.

Trying to get the Jets in schools is my big one. Needs to be school visits, free tix & possibly gala days etc.

improving membership numbers is a retarded waste of time due to those two massive assholes in charge.

good luck.

[GazFish35]

Trying to get the Jets in schools is my big one. Needs to be school visits, free tix & possibly gala days etc.
.

I'm compiling a list of contacts to hand to the club, it's coming together .... Slowly.

[plague]

Make players more accessible to media. In turn DEMAND players be more accessible to media, so that media WANTS to talk to them.

We always seem to accept that players from our major football codes seem to be given a pass for being condescending, belligerent and damn near uncooperative when dealing with the medium that connects them to the stakeholders (fans). Why accept that players are like that?

Club needs to look away from the footy codes and look more to sports like the V8 Supercars and pro surfing (esp the female surfers). Those 2 sports have by far the most engaging athletes in our country.

Media from all angles on the spectrum are always looking for more access to players. Take advantage of the demand, don't see a 3minute conversation with a radio guy as a chore, see it as a chance to sell yourself and your sport.

Players are getting bad advice cause for some reason when my kid talks to them at Dineaway ('sup Q-man) they are always cool and happy to chat yet act like mongs when talking to adults.

Get in their ear Benny Boy.

[plague]

Oh, and legit **** that PA guy right off.

[MFKS]

I am dead serious here.

For the last few years we have enjoyed cut price Membership.
As a result we have had large Membership Numbers

In the meantime we have had to endure cut price playing squads and cut price coaching and cut price administration

Can we pay a decent amount so we get
Quality Players
Quality Coaching
Quality Administration


The status quo isn't working

[WolfMan]

I tend to agree. I'd pay more if it was going to help the club run more professionally.

But with those still in charge of the shower of shite, they would only waste any surplus

[BodyNovo]

You up the membership by anything more than 10$ and we will only have 2,000 members next year

If we'd just won the comp you could but when we have had the season from hell, the price is something you can't touch imo

[MFKS]

You up the membership by anything more than 10$ and we will only have 2,000 members next year

If we'd just won the comp you could but when we have had the season from hell, the price is something you can't touch imo

I don't think the club give too much of a **** at what the members think/feel anyway

They are Moving Forward into next season with the Muppet at the helm regardless despite the reality it will cost them 5-6k of Members and in spite the howls of derision at the Muppet.

[Pico]

The entire salary cap is covered by the TV grant, no club has any excuse for not delivering a half decent squad. You could argue the extra revenue could be used for marquee players but it would need to be a hell of an increase. The only other area that could help the first team would be to get a good manager but hey Tinks has his man so it's not needed.

Perhaps management could focus on getting a legitimate major sponsor instead.

[BodyNovo]

I can't stress this enough for your guys next meeting but can we please scrap the PA

his job is to announce the squads and that's it.

Friday night was painful

it is not a knights game.

[the blue manc]

Amen to this. Sick of hearing him screeching on the mic.

[pv4]

I can't stress this enough for your guys next meeting but can we please scrap the PA

his job is to announce the squads and that's it.

And he is seemingly too ignorant to learn opposition players names when he does his one job. Can't even begin to figure out how to type the sounds he made whilst attempting to say Milos Dimitrijevic on Friday night. To his credit though, he nailed Vedran Janjetovic.

[WolfMan]

I will say I enjoyed when announcing "Goal, to Sydney FC" x4 he sounded as though someone had had eaten the last malteaser

[furns]

I will say I enjoyed when announcing "Goal, to Sydney FC" x4 he sounded as though someone had had eaten the last malteaser

Probably a wanderers fan. He apparently does the announcing at their games too

[lquiquer]

Probably a wanderers fan. He apparently does the announcing at their games too

:lulzturtle:

[northern_swan]

Probably a wanderers fan. He apparently does the announcing at their games too

Think he's a professional ground announcer. Was in Melbourne on the weekend and he was on the pa at the mcg. Was also on the online newy sports show the other week

[lquiquer]

Think he's a professional ground announcer. Was in Melbourne on the weekend and he was on the pa at the mcg. Was also on the online newy sports show the other week

Can anyone shoot him?...

[GazFish35]

Next meeting coming soon.
Much of next meeting will focus on issues not discussed at the last due to time constraints.


Importantly the club have also allowed us to determine 3 agenda items.... That we need to submit prior to the meeting so that they can address them properly.

So, essentially the next meeting is 100% about fans issues.


If you'd like to flesh out some ideas not discussed on last agenda, or propose an issue for the inclusion as one of the three "new" issues sing out.


I'll summarise the issues not addressed..... Shortly.


here are the five topics from last meeting marked in the publicly available minutes as to be carried over.
https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/memberhq/uploads/a-league-jets/Membersubcommitteeminutes2.03.15.pdf

1. Members of the sub-committee sit in a stand out the front of the stadium pre-game to become accessible to gain Members feedback
2. Building on success of the Asian Cup, migrant population that exist in Newcastle for growing the Supporter base
3. Grow an identity for Jet Man – Benny
4. Competition through local junior leagues voted best and fairest
5. Ground announcer fabricates atmosphere, crowd should grow organically


not sure what 4. is about - was submitted directly to the club by a fan.


Importantly we now get to set 3 agenda items from within the parameters of the sub-committee
• Active Support & Match Day Atmosphere
• Membership packages and entitlements
• Member communications
• Match Day experience and facilities
• Merchandise



committee members are currently discussing what three issues we'd like added to the agenda.

Clearly the PA situation is already on the agenda as items carried over.

I'm hoping to ask for some improvements in the communication of Tinkler and Stubbin's "vision" and their plan to see it be realised - so that we might be able to see it and believe it, rather than "vision" simply becoming the new "moving forward"


anything else?

MFKS - cost of memberships to support strengthening the club has been noted.
Plague - media training slash talking to adults training and access to media, also noted.

[Blackmac79]

Weekly designated Fan open training.

I know folk can just rock up and watch training as it is, however it isn't well advertised where, when, what etc.

If once a week, preferably on a day like a wednesday/thursday prior to the weekend game, and perferably at a set time, the club encourage fans to come down to whatever session falls on that day, sends out an email to members, encourages fans to show up.

Play off whatever the game is, if its a F3 derby make a deal of it through this as part of the lead up etc.

Let the fans know that a) They are welcome, and b) wanted

[Jeterpool]

Weekly designated Fan open training.

I know folk can just rock up and watch training as it is, however it isn't well advertised where, when, what etc.

If once a week, preferably on a day like a wednesday/thursday prior to the weekend game, and perferably at a set time, the club encourage fans to come down to whatever session falls on that day, sends out an email to members, encourages fans to show up.

Play off whatever the game is, if its a F3 derby make a deal of it through this as part of the lead up etc.

Let the fans know that a) They are welcome, and b) wanted

I really like that idea Blackmac. There were times last year is have enjoyed going to watch nobody knew when it was on.

[Pico]

I really like that idea Blackmac. There were times last year is have enjoyed going to watch nobody knew when it was on.

That never happened on Nev's watch!

[GazFish35]

Plague - check your PM's

[Blackmac79]

I would like to propose that every member of the backroom stuff be made to read fever pitch over and over until they ****ing get it.

[GazFish35]

I would like to propose that every member of the backroom stuff be made to read fever pitch over and over until they ****ing get it.

Ill raise. I sent a copy to Jeff Corbett and Robert Dillon once!

[tha_hauss]

Hi Guys,

Is the sub-committee making yourselves know to David Gallop yet? You are best placed to represent fans in this early stage.

He needs to know that supporters should be included in every decision they make. He needs to know that he need not be afraid of Jets supporters, like we are some group of thugs that need decisions made on our behalf.

In my experience, when there is a power vacuum like this, people love to rush in to push their own agendas. People who have never stood up to take responsibility before. People who represent the "business community" and the "football community" will be rushing in to give their two cents.

What the FFA need is to have a clear line of communication to Jets supporters so that they aren't blindsided by personal interest.

[hawk]

Weekly designated Fan open training.

I know folk can just rock up and watch training as it is, however it isn't well advertised where, when, what etc.

If once a week, preferably on a day like a wednesday/thursday prior to the weekend game, and perferably at a set time, the club encourage fans to come down to whatever session falls on that day, sends out an email to members, encourages fans to show up.

Play off whatever the game is, if its a F3 derby make a deal of it through this as part of the lead up etc.

Let the fans know that a) They are welcome, and b) wanted

should still do this. bring 6 pack of course

[GazFish35]

Hi Guys,

Is the sub-committee making yourselves know to David Gallop yet? You are best placed to represent fans in this early stage.

He needs to know that supporters should be included in every decision they make. He needs to know that he need not be afraid of Jets supporters, like we are some group of thugs that need decisions made on our behalf.

In my experience, when there is a power vacuum like this, people love to rush in to push their own agendas. People who have never stood up to take responsibility before. People who represent the "business community" and the "football community" will be rushing in to give their two cents.

What the FFA need is to have a clear line of communication to Jets supporters so that they aren't blindsided by personal interest.

yes.
de Bohun too.

[tha_hauss]

yes.
de Bohun too.

awesome. You are obviously a good "sub"-committee then.

[Pico]

Good to see they are actively engaging with the members as they said they would do, after all in the FFA's words they are the "core", just not important enough to include in decisions like club name, colours etc, FFA's PR department has got that covered, now just sit down pay your cash and remember we engaged with you in these decisions.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[GazFish35]

have been in contact with Murphy and spoken to Brooke Cousins - all positive

[tha_hauss]

Having said that, there is one thing that I'd like to raise with the committee because if Tinkler is stripped of the license, I think you should be prepared to play a role in communicating with David Gallop for the transition to new ownership. You are a formal structure that he should respect.

It needs to be understood why the Newcastle flagship team keeps having financial and management problems. If Gallop can't verbalise what the issue is, then history will just repeat, and repeat. We have to get it right this time. And I think Gallop is the type of guy who would be willing to listen and cooperate.

IMO, the financial side is due to:
1. Lack of an innovative approach to ownership. We have tried community ownership and failed because its undercapitalised and unprofessional, we have tried rich tycoon ownership and failed because its too susceptible to whimsical decision making. We need a model that incorporates both. A rich owner or ownership group to ensure decisive action and supporter ownership so that the main owners (and CEO and management) take supporters seriously so they don't get all arrogant and think they can ignore the community. A broad ownership base (as opposed to membership base) encourages good corporate governance.
2. Lack of sponsorship.

There are two facets to this - one is small business sponsorship - corporate boxes, advertising and the like, the other is major sponsorship. It appears that the lack of small business sponsorship comes from a lack of trust in the owner/corporate governance. I regularly heard, "I'm not giving my money to Con/Tinkler because I don't trust him." Good corporate governance will help rectify this.

The lack of major sponsorship, I believe, is due to a structural problem in our community. Our dominant industries are coal, building, health, government, education and none of these have need to advertise. So sponsorship has to either be an act of philanthropy, or we need to make the Newcastle Jets brand something that is so appealing to major consumer markets that big brands see the value of placing their brand on the Jets strip. I think the later approach is likely to be more successful, mainly because it can be sustainable, whereas philanthropy funds can just be cut.

I also believe that from both Con and Tinkler, there was a short term outlook toward major sponsorship. "Our front of shirt is worth this much per year. Take it or leave it." It was never about building branding synergy over many years. And that's the kind of thing sponsors like. Both guys would have rejected under-valued sponsorships but if they selected the right sponsor they could have taken less money now but built the value up over time through good sponsor relations.

The advantage that Newcastle has over any other A-League club is that our supporter base includes mainstream novocastrians from all walks of life. We aren't a migrant curiosity. We have a rich history from Minmi Rangers of 1886 to Reg Date to Craig Johnstone that appeals to the mainstream. And the advantage of this is that we can take ownership of all of it as part of the Novocastrian spirit. This richness is something that no other A-League team has. This all needs to be tied together so that mainstream people from all Australian cities feel something toward the Jets, and like to watch them. Because advertisers love mainstream appeal. They also like to tap into culture and history, so if Carlsberg, for example, likes us because we have our own unique version of football history, linked into Liverpool via Craig Johnstone, then this could really work.

Do you notice how Football pundits and administrators love saying that Newcastle has a strong football history from the Newcastle coalfields. It's a romantic story. I don't hear them say that when talking about any other A-League club and we should take advantage of it.

That is where the Supporters Committee can do some really valuable work. You can help create and promote this attractive myth. Work out ways that this myth is cultivated. But it also has to be kept in mind that it is something that has broad appeal, Like Més que un club has amongst Spaniards and all people generally, because it makes them feel that they can belong to that spirit. It can't be a "We're Novocastrian, you're not" kind of thing.

I know that this is nebulous stuff, but man, if we could nut this out and get in the ear of David Gallop, we could have ourselves a great and sustainable club for the first time in our history.


This guy knew what he was talking about. Now that Tinkler has gone, it is maybe even more important that we hear from David Gallop on how to specifically tackle the Major Sponsorship problem, once and for all.

[GazFish35]

We are meeting with club and FFA tonight - about prepping for forums.

One question I'd like people's thoughts on..... And I know what I think already......


Is one forum for members, and one for fans enough?

And where should they be held?


I'm thinking - and have raised this at the previous meeting - that there needs to be one in port Stephens, lake Macquarie, maitland, and newcastle.

Thoughts?


Also, griff should be there.

[belchardo]

We are meeting with club and FFA tonight - about prepping for forums.

One question I'd like people's thoughts on..... And I know what I think already......


Is one forum for members, and one for fans enough?

And where should they be held?


I'm thinking - and have raised this at the previous meeting - that there needs to be one in port Stephens, lake Macquarie, maitland, and newcastle.

Thoughts?


Also, griff should be there.

agreed. if they are serious about connecting with the region as a whole, they need to host a few sessions in different places. if they can't do a full session, have a few representatives sit out the front of a few supermarkets on a weekend and get some feedback.

[BodyNovo]

We are meeting with club and FFA tonight - about prepping for forums.

One question I'd like people's thoughts on..... And I know what I think already......


Is one forum for members, and one for fans enough?

And where should they be held?


I'm thinking - and have raised this at the previous meeting - that there needs to be one in port Stephens, lake Macquarie, maitland, and newcastle.

Thoughts?


Also, griff should be there.

no one is not enough and i don't think there should be a split of members and fans. it should be an open forum of the 2. most fans are either previous members or can't afford membership

they should be held at known football supporting venues i.e. weston workers club, The Duke, etc.

griff, local players and the new coach should be present.

they should get Aaron Kearney to chair and monitor the meetings as well, he is perfect for the job and did fantastic work when we had the active supporters forum a couple of years ago

[furns]

I would just like to point out that there is only one supporters forum - the members one.
The first forum is for business people, that list forum is for NNSWFF people (club officials, ref's, etc)

There most definately should be an open supporters forum, something I will be mentioning in the squadron & sub committee meetings with the club this afternoon.

[WolfMan]

Kearney may not be available as he is between here and PNG (I think) setting up an ABC affiliate station

[GazFish35]

We have another committee meeting on july13

Anything people would like raised?

As a committee we are able to put three times on the agenda.

[Blackmac79]

Community Ownership.