2015 NPL Youth

[Footyhead]

Thanks mate, good luck to next year, despite the politics and crap that goes on as with any club, there's some good kids in there throughout the teams

[Why Blue]

Thanks mate, good luck to next year, despite the politics and crap that goes on as with any club, there's some good kids in there throughout the teams

yeah agree with that, good comp, some good kids, will develop hopefully and club officials might see the benefit one day

[Footyhead]

Yes I get it, feel for those kids as well. But given only two made the NPL team did they have go elsewhere ??? could they have stayed U/14 A grade ?? I know quite a few went to Magic...who of course won the U/13A last year, so some CCB players wanted to better themselves.
Reality is that the Newcastle/Macquarie/Hunter/EJ kids all existed and vast majority had to go to club thru no choice of their own.

As for Magic U/14 NPL side doing nothing, bloody hell the teams that finished 4th to last must have been terrible, 3rd is pretty good in my eyes and yes they would play the pants of the 14A team. How many 14A making it into 15 NPL ?????

The 2 that made the NPL didn't trial anywhere else and neither did any of the other former CCB kids as CCB held their trials earlier than most other clubs. As far as I know, only 2 kids went from CCB to Magic. Dunno about how many of this year's 14A Magic pushing in to next year's 15 NPL, but expect some would... given their success.

[hamburgler]

The 2 that made the NPL didn't trial anywhere else and neither did any of the other former CCB kids as CCB held their trials earlier than most other clubs. As far as I know, only 2 kids went from CCB to Magic. Dunno about how many of this year's 14A Magic pushing in to next year's 15 NPL, but expect some would... given their success.

There is a big difference between the standard of football played in the 14 NPL this year and that played in the 14A comp.

[Footyhead]

There is a big difference between the standard of football played in the 14 NPL this year and that played in the 14A comp.

In general terms, correct... many of the A grade players from last year went in to NPL along with players from the rep teams.
This year's A grade is pretty much last year's B grade.
The rep players have increased the standard of the NPL this year (which would have been A grade if the NPL not introduced).
Having said that, Magic's A grade team I think would be better than South Cardiff's NPL.

[Why Blue]

In general terms, correct... many of the A grade players from last year went in to NPL along with players from the rep teams.
This year's A grade is pretty much last year's B grade.
The rep players have increased the standard of the NPL this year (which would have been A grade if the NPL not introduced).
Having said that, Magic's A grade team I think would be better than South Cardiff's NPL.

your a funny man FH, most any team would have beat Southy U/14's this year. But i believe big changes at southy this year, so lets hope std of all clubs is on the rise

[Bremsstrahlung]

But i believe big changes at southy this year, so lets hope std of all clubs is on the rise

That's it right? As long as clubs are actively engaging in improving themselves, we can't really cast aspersions.

[Why Blue]

Magic's A grade, probably would beat the bottom 4-5 in NPL, just looking at there website, all Magic teams in juniors dominated

agree with that

[Bremsstrahlung]

Who were the 17A minor premiers? :whistling:

[Bremsstrahlung]

I get what you are saying (i think) and agree, Magic are a strong club... But I don't particularly agree with the comparisons between the "A-Grade" competition and NPL. They are vastly different.
I would also question the point of playing in these "Junior" teams (past say U14s) if the future goal is to play NPL...

[Why Blue]

I get what you are saying (i think) and agree, Magic are a strong club... But I don't particularly agree with the comparisons between the "A-Grade" competition and NPL. They are vastly different.
I would also question the point of playing in these "Junior" teams (past say U14s) if the future goal is to play NPL...

good point, but kids cant play senior football till they turn 15. that rules out a lot of kids in U/15 but after that they should be looking at 19's

[Bremsstrahlung]

good point, but kids cant play senior football till they turn 15. that rules out a lot of kids in U/15 but after that they should be looking at 19's

I mean the ones playing "A-Grade" that aren't involved in the NPL Youth setup. Maybe that's where we will see future change. With the regulations of Coaching Certificates for NPL Coaches, players playing in the NPL Youth are playing against better opposition, training with good facilities and access to Senior Coaches/training opportunities, being coached by FFA-deemed-better coaches and have a very real pathway to move through the ranks of NPL Youth and into the senior setup. I think a great deal of development would occur in this comp compared to Interdistrict juniors. I'm not sure of Magic's Junior coaching requirements (I assume they are more structured than joe's dad) but i daresay i'd rather be involved in an NPL club's elite pathway if my future goal was to play NPL.

EDIT: MT, What was the point of posting the ID junior results, to clarify?

[Thomas477]

dont know? who were the 17A minor premiers Bremsstrahlung?

South Cardiff, but it was only a 6 team comp. The bottom 2 were out of the running for finals with 2-3 games to go.

[380]

There is a big difference between the standard of football played in the 14 NPL this year and that played in the 14A comp.


Beg to differ, having watched plenty of both , There is no shortage of kids in interdistrict who would run rings around those playing in the so called elite comp.

[Why Blue]

Beg to differ, having watched plenty of both , There is no shortage of kids in interdistrict who would run rings around those playing in the so called elite comp.

there is no point to statements like this, I'm sure there were kids in 14A who could hold their own in NPL and I agree there were some kids in 14 NPL that were out of their depth. But unless playing in NPL the kids from A's,B's wherever will not be tested against better player's better structures etc. As such claims of their ability are unfounded. This year in NPL 14 one kid came into comp claiming to have scored over 200 goals ( i know what parent counts ) which would have been an average of about 30 per season. This year the team he played for barely managed 20 goals in NPL. What does that say, great player when playing kids of lesser ability, not so great when playing kids of same or higher ability, all it says to me is he has never played in his correct grade.

NPL is the Elite competition as such if you want to test and compare yourself to the best, play in it. Simple

[Footyhead]

there is no point to statements like this, I'm sure there were kids in 14A who could hold their own in NPL and I agree there were some kids in 14 NPL that were out of their depth. But unless playing in NPL the kids from A's,B's wherever will not be tested against better player's better structures etc. As such claims of their ability are unfounded. This year in NPL 14 one kid came into comp claiming to have scored over 200 goals ( i know what parent counts ) which would have been an average of about 30 per season. This year the team he played for barely managed 20 goals in NPL. What does that say, great player when playing kids of lesser ability, not so great when playing kids of same or higher ability, all it says to me is he has never played in his correct grade.

NPL is the Elite competition as such if you want to test and compare yourself to the best, play in it. Simple

I don't think anyone can deny NPL is the elite comp and it's where all the best players SHOULD go, however just like in all sports there is always politics and other factors as to why some better players are not playing NPL whilst others who shouldn't be there are, whether it be club driven, or personal driven. There is no defined right or wrong that's going to please everybody, just aims, objectives, opinions and different situations. I think I may have kicked off this debate with the CCB trialling example which I was witness to, sad to see potential waved away by the selectors but at same time understand CCB needed to pick who they see as best.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Agree with why blue, the comparison, or even boasting of magics or anyone's junior record is irrelevant in the context of NPL.

If you are good enough, you'll be picked up somewhere along the line. I agree there are a great deal of politics, but there's politics in everything. Luckily there are clubs around that will give people a shot if they are willing to forego the egocentric clubs.

[terryk]

If you are good enough, you'll be picked up somewhere along the line. I agree there are a great deal of politics, but there's politics in everything. Luckily there are clubs around that will give people a shot if they are willing to forego the egocentric clubs.

So why should we be rewarding NPL clubs who really don't have youth development at their heart? Why not bring in a criteria for for the "elite" divisions and let clubs and teams promote and relegate to the top tier. I don't see why a good team such as magic A's below as was mentioned should have to be disbanded or kids forced to play at other NPL youth clubs away from their mates if they are good enough as a team. If this Magic team in the 14 A's is so good then why don't we let them make their way into the npl youth grade by promotion and see how foot they are. I can't see the fairness in artificially building up clubs if they really are not interested in youth development, even more i am a great believer in promotion and relegation. Our problem is coaching at all levels and until we coach the coaches it hardly seems fair to be playing politics with the kids. And in saying that i don't believe the ejs deserve special time frames and protected selection criteria. Lets face it they are turning in the politicised rep teams of yesteryear.

[Footyhead]

I don't get how whoever comes last in the NPL (this year Lake Macquarie) gets relegated and then so does all their youth teams...so the junior players wanting to stay in the NPL have to trial at other clubs ? How does this work for the loyalty and bringing kids up through the system if a club gets relegated ? Club does their best to retain as many kids as possible whilst trying to re-enter the NPL ?

[Bremsstrahlung]

So why should we be rewarding NPL clubs who really don't have youth development at their heart? Why not bring in a criteria for for the "elite" divisions and let clubs and teams promote and relegate to the top tier. I don't see why a good team such as magic A's below as was mentioned should have to be disbanded or kids forced to play at other NPL youth clubs away from their mates if they are good enough as a team. If this Magic team in the 14 A's is so good then why don't we let them make their way into the npl youth grade by promotion and see how foot they are. I can't see the fairness in artificially building up clubs if they really are not interested in youth development, even more i am a great believer in promotion and relegation. Our problem is coaching at all levels and until we coach the coaches it hardly seems fair to be playing politics with the kids. And in saying that i don't believe the ejs deserve special time frames and protected selection criteria. Lets face it they are turning in the politicised rep teams of yesteryear.

Wait what?
Promotion and relegation for 14 year olds. Seriously? Mum and dad put enough pressure on these kids now, trying to win back some trophies they missed out on, they don't need clubs worried about being promoted or relegated.
Juniors was always promotion/relegation with teams doing well in D grade being promoted to B grade the next season. But having this in elite competition would be a logistical nightmare for everyone.
As for rewarding teams that don't develop... I don't know, clubs develop players in different ways, players get different oppurtunities at various clubs.
Eg a player may play juniors for kotara, then move to magic for U12s and trial for a rep team, may play for the rep team for 2 years then go back to magic to play. At 16 johnny isn't getting a look in at Magic to play 17s or 19s so moves to southy or Adamstown or whoever.

[Bremsstrahlung]

It could however be designed to include all npl licensed clubs

[dan]

Wallsend Football Club - NewFM 2015

Wallsend Football Club will be running trials and welcomes both new and existing players to trial for our u17's, u19's & u23's teams

These sessions will be held at Federal Park (off Boscawen street), Wallsend.

The dates are:
- Friday 17th October,kick off 6pm -7:30pm

- Monday 20th October,kick off 6pm -7:30pm

- Wednesday 22nd October,kick off 6pm -7:30pm

(players to arrive at least half hr before to register details for these sessions)

Head coach contact: Josh Rufo - 0448 034 955
U23 coach contact: Mick Bell - 0417665753
U19 coach contact: Alex Caley - 0422310109

WFC
Est.1887

[380]

there is no point to statements like this, I'm sure there were kids in 14A who could hold their own in NPL and I agree there were some kids in 14 NPL that were out of their depth. But unless playing in NPL the kids from A's,B's wherever will not be tested against better player's better structures etc. As such claims of their ability are unfounded. This year in NPL 14 one kid came into comp claiming to have scored over 200 goals ( i know what parent counts ) which would have been an average of about 30 per season. This year the team he played for barely managed 20 goals in NPL. What does that say, great player when playing kids of lesser ability, not so great when playing kids of same or higher ability, all it says to me is he has never played in his correct grade.

NPL is the Elite competition as such if you want to test and compare yourself to the best, play in it. Simple

It may very well be the " elite " comp in name but it certainly does not contain all the elite talent.

There would be a multitude of kids with more ability residing in areas such as the bottom of the lake , Up the Bay or up the Hunter Valley who have parents who just can't make the sort of commitment required ie travel to training twice a week for there kids to participate.

There would also be many many more whose parents cannot afford the registration fees associated with playing in these comps. Some parents find it hard enough just to fund there kids to play interdistrict let alone the fees associated with the other comp. For those who don't know this can be and is quite often upward of $ 500.00 per season.

When the " Elite " comp is more representative of the entire region and is not a rip financially like it is perhaps then it will contain all the best talent in each age group and as such can well and truly be classed as the elite comp in every sense and meaning of the word. Simple.

[Bremsstrahlung]

There are players playing All Age that are better than some playing NPL. Does that make the NPL any less of an "Elite" competition?

[380]

There are players playing All Age that are better than some playing NPL. Does that make the NPL any less of an "Elite" competition?

Correct you are which makes the point that if you want to test yourself against the best then play in it invalid.

I can recall one club who had trials for the under 15's elite comp select every kid who showed up for the trials because after several trial days they were the only ones to show. In actual fact that same year 2 clubs in the elite comp were assembled under those circumstances.

Anyways shall agree to disagree eh ?.

[Bremsstrahlung]

I see what your saying but I'm struggling to see the relevance in the grand scheme.

If there is a way you can play, and you are choosing not to, then I don't think you can comment on whether you are better than those actually playing in the competition. They may be, but, until they trial, get a position and play, who knows.

Craig Foster babbles on like he designed the game of football, invented the Wanderers and wrote all the coaching manuals, yet will not put his money where his mouth is and coach any team to prove it.


There are players playing in the championship, that are better than some playing in the premier league, does that make the premier league any less of a league?
Sure, there are good players everywhere. There is an elite competition. If you want to play there, there is a way, if not, don't.

[Why Blue]

A lot of this chat seems to be based on the Magic U/14A and well they performed in this years come.....................so have any of those kids trailed at any NPL clubs........???? None at CCB, did they trial elsewhere ??? or are they happy to stay in 15A comp and win again ????

[football_macigian23]

A lot of this chat seems to be based on the Magic U/14A and well they performed in this years come.....................so have any of those kids trailed at any NPL clubs........???? None at CCB, did they trial elsewhere ??? or are they happy to stay in 15A comp and win again ????
I have seen a couple at Lambton and Edgy trialing but don't think any made it.. Most of them are happy to play with their mates in A grade

[Why Blue]

I have seen a couple at Lambton and Edgy trialing but don't think any made it.. Most of them are happy to play with their mates in A grade

look if as you say a lot of them just want to play with their mates than why did this debate even start ???? If they seriously just want to play with mates than do so no issue, but then dont try and compare them to NPL players...........if they play NPL than they can be directly compared.

Truth is, a lot of last years A's trialled at NPL clubs this year, Cardiff, Jaffa's, Edgy even Maitland to name a few..........whilst there might be a few exceptions the vast majority did not succeed with these trials.

[hamburgler]

Weston had a second trial last night and again Friday night for their 15 NPL side, after 5 accepted positions then left to join Maitland a week later!

[The Magician]

Weston had a second trial last night and again Friday night for their 15 NPL side, after 5 accepted positions then left to join Maitland a week later!

Shit Happens... I'm sure weston kept their deposits...

[tablican]

Shit Happens... I'm sure weston kept their deposits...

Unlike other clubs Weston doesn't request a deposit to secure a place, their word is good enough. While obviously other's word can't be relied upon.

[GO AWAY]

Hence why you should get a deposit, because 90% of local footballers theyre word is not enough which is a shame. Especially at that age.

Azzuri information night, looked like books were full or near full for all three grades, and yes Goody was there and looked fine.

[ForeverRed]

Wash out fixtures to remain the same for next season, no replay, 6 point games

[GO AWAY]

Terrible ^^^^^^

[hamburgler]

Makes a mockery of the "Elite" nature of NPL, when All Age Div ZZZ will get all their games played (no disrespect to any ZZZ player intended), but the so-called elite footballers could easily lose several games due to the weather. Not good enough!!! I thought the region's best footballers should get more football, not less of it.

[Why Blue]

Unlike other clubs Weston doesn't request a deposit to secure a place, their word is good enough. While obviously other's word can't be relied upon.

dammed if you do, dammed if you don't, try and get a deposit and people criticise you for trying to pay last years bills, don't get a deposit and kids accept your position but also others as well.
CCB had kid accept with no deposit, then kid went to edgy...............but hey happens for a reason, maybe replacement kid will be better option. Time will tell

Feel for Westy............but unfortunately people's word isn't what it used to be...........:sigh:

[Why Blue]

Wash out fixtures to remain the same for next season, no replay, 6 point games

another disgraceful decision. Did any club object ????

FFS let the kids play...............

[380]

look if as you say a lot of them just want to play with their mates than why did this debate even start ???? If they seriously just want to play with mates than do so no issue, but then dont try and compare them to NPL players...........if they play NPL than they can be directly compared.

Truth is, a lot of last years A's trialled at NPL clubs this year, Cardiff, Jaffa's, Edgy even Maitland to name a few..........whilst there might be a few exceptions the vast majority did not succeed with these trials.


Perhaps it means more to the parents and there ego's or maybe helps them to subconciously justify the rediculous costs.

[Why Blue]

Perhaps it means more to the parents and there ego's or maybe helps them to subconciously justify the rediculous costs.

yeah no doubt your on the money there.................how much is magic 15A this year ???

[late_to_the_game]

Wash out fixtures to remain the same for next season, no replay, 6 point games

Northern just doing what they always do - what ever they want......

[ForeverRed]

Northern just doing what they always do - what ever they want......
No, totally clubs decision this one

[MFKS]

No, totally clubs decision this one

Protecting the grass on the field more the prerogative than actually playing the game these days??

Dis graceful decision

FR maybe if the clubs had some top quality drainage at their field like is found at Southy they could actually play on the weekends hey??

[NUGUNS]

Protecting the grass on the field more the prerogative than actually playing the game these days??
FR maybe if the clubs had some top quality drainage at their field like is found at Southy they could actually play on the weekends hey??

Really no reason for you to add this.

[MFKS]

Really no reason for you to add this.

Ohh yes there is

Most of the local clubs have shit drainage and one of the exceptions to this is at Southy.

There was a bad wet spell at the start of the NPL semis yet they could get on at Southy thanks to the great work of FR

You may think I am being sarcastic but you are dead wrong.

FR is a top bloke and deserves great praise for his work at Southy and seeing as most of you ****s like putting shit on him I will be sticking up for him

FR :sup:

[ForeverRed]

settle down lads, the main reason from the clubs was time constraints, its extremely difficult to organise 4 washed out fixtures, also there is a big chance that if the youth is washed out then the 3 senior grades are too, this then becomes 7 games to organise with 3 senior grades a priority, clubs have decided to maintain the 2014 regulations with all clubs agreeing to do there best to re organise wash outs

[Bremsstrahlung]

Understand this in first round washouts. IMO teams/clubs should be able to challenge a double points game if they are willing to provide a field.

Team A's field is washed out. Team A says either yes, we can reschedule for this date or no we are unable to reschedule. Team B then either agrees to double points/or whatever they do with 2nd round washouts or proposes a date/venue where match can be played. Then it is up to Team A to give due cause for being unable to play at new venue, play the game or forfeit.

[GO AWAY]

Understand this in first round washouts. IMO teams/clubs should be able to challenge a double points game if they are willing to provide a field.

Team A's field is washed out. Team A says either yes, we can reschedule for this date or no we are unable to reschedule. Team B then either agrees to double points/or whatever they do with 2nd round washouts or proposes a date/venue where match can be played. Then it is up to Team A to give due cause for being unable to play at new venue, play the game or forfeit.

Unless you are Lambton U17 2014 who made the semis without CCB the chance to play the last round against them.

[late_to_the_game]

Protecting the grass on the field more the prerogative than actually playing the game these days??

Dis graceful decision

FR maybe if the clubs had some top quality drainage at their field like is found at Southy they could actually play on the weekends hey??

Magic, Jaffas and Adamstown all spending money over summer to improve drainage. From what I know Magic is spending the most.

[The Magician]

Magic, Jaffas and Adamstown all spending money over summer to improve drainage. From what I know Magic is spending the most.

How much is Jaffas and Adamstown contributing really? Wake up people... NCC is paying for it all and doing the work... Check section 94 (or what ever it is developer contributions) over $200K is allocated to Adamstown Oval nearly every year.... How many Jaffas and Adamstown committee members and volunteers were digging trenches or gluing pipes?...

Magic getting 50% paid from AFC Fund... Still out of pocket over $35K

[MFKS]

How much is Jaffas and Adamstown contributing really? Wake up people... NCC is paying for it all and doing the work... Check section 94 (or what ever it is developer contributions) over $200K is allocated to Adamstown Oval nearly every year.... How many Jaffas and Adamstown committee members and volunteers were digging trenches or gluing pipes?...

Magic getting 50% paid from AFC Fund... Still out of pocket over $35K
How are you out of pocket???

Magic are just investing in their facility that is their ground as they have done for the last 15 years and due to the Asian Cup are getting a government subsidy to pay for part of the costs.

If only the rest of the clubs had the drive magic does our region may be going somewhere in this game.

Who gives a shit if NCC are paying for it at Adamstown /Lambton. People pay rates and clubs pay money to NCC for use of their ovals so NCC ought to put some money back in to upgrade the facilities after all

[Thomas477]

As for the Lambton 17s, making the finals shouldn't come down to just one game. If CCM deserved to make it, they would've gone better during the other 17+ games.

[The Magician]

How are you out of pocket???

Magic are just investing in their facility that is their ground as they have done for the last 15 years and due to the Asian Cup are getting a government subsidy to pay for part of the costs.

If only the rest of the clubs had the drive magic does our region may be going somewhere in this game.

Who gives a shit if NCC are paying for it at Adamstown /Lambton. People pay rates and clubs pay money to NCC for use of their ovals so NCC ought to put some money back in to upgrade the facilities after all

Well $35K that could be spent on training gear like portable goals for each grade, upgrades to training facilities, or lighting of the outer-ground, subsidies for gym and recovery sessions for youth players, and or subsidies for preseason away camps and travel...

My point is clubs say they are putting money into their facilities... but its a lie... they don't have too coz NCC foots the bill for every new project or maintenance, but they take the credit... Magic payed 75% of the bill for their lights, and its a regional venue, home of the Jets NYL and W-league teams, AFC training venue, visiting A-League team training venue... How much did Jaffa's and Adamstown pay when their lights were fixed last year? Magic pays council rates too

[Bremsstrahlung]

Well $35K that could be spent on training gear like portable goals for each grade, upgrades to training facilities, or lighting of the outer-ground, subsidies for gym and recovery sessions for youth players, and or subsidies for preseason away camps and travel...

My point is clubs say they are putting money into their facilities... but its a lie... they don't have too coz NCC foots the bill for every new project or maintenance, but they take the credit... Magic payed 75% of the bill for their lights, and its a regional venue, home of the Jets NYL and W-league teams, AFC training venue, visiting A-League team training venue... How much did Jaffa's and Adamstown pay when their lights were fixed last year? Magic pays council rates too

Why don't you apply for the council to foot the bill then?

[prawnhead]

Why don't you apply for the council to foot the bill then?

I'm guessing if they waited for NCC to foot the bill they would be no where near where they are today. Seems to me they've worked bloody to get what they have got.

[The Magician]

Why don't you apply for the council to foot the bill then?

You think they don't... consistent reply is 'no funds available, try again next year, or write to sport and rec.'

[MFKS]

So you are basically having a bitch cause your club missed out on a free hand out and other clubs got one??

Them the breaks pal


It ain't like your club is skint either.

Suppose you are in favour of the Australian Government giving James Packer a government hand out to feed and clothe his kids??

[Bremsstrahlung]

I'm guessing if they waited for NCC to foot the bill they would be no where near where they are today. Seems to me they've worked bloody to get what they have got.

I agree. They have, i'm not doubting that. Good on them, they are the benchmark for all clubs in the region. My gripe was The Magician has come in having a dig at everyone for getting these 'council handouts', when there's nothing stopping Magic applying for these funds also.

[The Magician]

So you are basically having a bitch cause your club missed out on a free hand out and other clubs got one??

Them the breaks pal


It ain't like your club is skint either.

Suppose you are in favour of the Australian Government giving James Packer a government hand out to feed and clothe his kids??

Ok lets put this in perspective... Magic spends $50K on players and has to pay for their own upgrades... but Jaffas spent $120K and get upgrades for free... Nah... thats James Packer-esque... Suppose you are in favour of that? Skint or not, NCC if this is what they are allocating/budgeting for first division facilities, divide the budget by how many clubs represent NCC in the competition.

[Thomas477]

Ok lets put this in perspective... Magic spends $50K on players and has to pay for their own upgrades... but Jaffas spent $120K and get upgrades for free... Nah... thats James Packer-esque... Suppose you are in favour of that? Skint or not, NCC if this is what they are allocating/budgeting for first division facilities, divide the budget by how many clubs represent NCC in the competition.

Care to list your sauces for that figure for Jaffas?

And it's Magics own damn fault. They own Wanderers, NCC doesn't. NCC does own ATown and Edden, hence they get NCC money spent on them. Quite simple.

[MFKS]

So its all about a rival club getting a handout and as the club is having a bit of success you are concerned they may overtake your club in the future ??

Don't choke on your grapes as the sour taste reaches your tastebuds.

FFS I am happy when our sport gets any ****ing handout from government agencies. Better we get it than the dog molesters etc

But your only happy if it don't go to a rival team??

FFS thats small time thinking there

[The Magician]

So its all about a rival club getting a handout and as the club is having a bit of success you are concerned they may overtake your club in the future ??

Don't choke on your grapes as the sour taste reaches your tastebuds.

FFS I am happy when our sport gets any ****ing handout from government agencies. Better we get it than the dog molesters etc

But your only happy if it don't go to a rival team??

FFS thats small time thinking there

Lol... totally agree... Football is way down in the hand-out pecking order behind egg-ball 1 & 2 and rednut cricket... No sour grapes here... Magic are proud to put back into their facility... in a week or so work will start on a new $25K training facility... self-funded. So Magic before the year is out will have spent over $55K at Magic Park... HOW GOOD IS THAT!!!

if your read my original post... my issue isn't with clubs getting handouts... its clubs saying 'THEY' have spent X amount of dollars on their facility when they haven't, its been sponsored by NCC.

[late_to_the_game]

NCC don't do anything without the clubs putting up half the money.
Adamstown had a bill from NCC for use of council ovals of 30k last year.

So like most things it is a case of swings and roundabouts - council owns it, you pay to use it. Magic lease it, so don't have to pay council, but don't get anything from them either.

[terryk]

NCC don't do anything without the clubs putting up half the money.
Adamstown had a bill from NCC for use of council ovals of 30k last year.

So like most things it is a case of swings and roundabouts - council owns it, you pay to use it. Magic lease it, so don't have to pay council, but don't get anything from them either.

I'd be interested to know where you get a 30k figure from for Adamstown? To the best of my knowkledge you could book Adamstown for every single minute of the day and week and year and not come anywhere near that figure of usage rates.

As for leasing any gov facility or ground the gov still own it including any improvements made to the facility, and which from my understanding ncc have contributed nothing to that swamp ground that is now magic park. So even though the ground is leased there is no reason ncc cannot also make improvements to magic park.

I understand what the magician is trying to say when he says that other clubs claim they have spent money on facilities when it is clearly council spending the money. Probably a matter of being honest about what you actually contribute to your respective facilities. It can also be seen to be unfair that some clubs continually have their improvements made for them and others have to spend there hard earned cash on the same thing. It is a good thing that magic don't wait for a hand out as it seems they are few and far between.

I thing Olympic had water tanks put only a couple months ago fully funded by ncc. Edgeworth paid for the new grandstand out of there own pockets and most improvements there are not funded by lmcc so good on them. I have spoken to numerous Jaffas people and can confirm that contrary to the propaganda they put out all the time the vast majority of improvements on that facility have been paid for and done by council. There are very few club members who get dirt under there nails to improve facilities for their clubs.

[MFKS]

Where exactly are other clubs claiming they spent money on facilities when the council paid for it??

Also the Magicians gripe started firstly as a whinge cause 2 other NPL clubs were getting council money to improve their ground and Magic were having to cough up 35k or something for work done in time for the Asian Cup.


There are very few club members who get dirt under there nails to improve facilities for their clubs.
Times like this you should give blokes like FR credit for their stellar work instead of keeping the anonymity thing going
FR >> Well Done :sup:

[terryk]

Where exactly are other clubs claiming they spent money on facilities when the council paid for it??

Also the Magicians gripe started firstly as a whinge cause 2 other NPL clubs were getting council money to improve their ground and Magic were having to cough up 35k or something for work done in time for the Asian Cup.


Times like this you should give blokes like FR credit for their stellar work instead of keeping the anonymity thing going
FR >> Well Done :sup:

Do you not think the gripe is warranted? He is not saying other clubs should not get funding, he is saying that it appears that some clubs seem to get a lot for putting very little in. I think his point is right.

Well magic park is still a ncc ground and no matter what magic do they will have no ownership over it. All the lease allows them to do is lock in their tenancy of the venue for an extended period of time. Ncc still have the ability to schedule games and events at the ground. Council have keys to the facility and can enter and leave and conduct works as they please. It's not real to say magic own the ground. Let's compare this to Arthur Eden, where the Jaffas have primary occupancy of the facility and do as they please. So what's the difference? Council don't go booking other games or events at Arthur Eden. No difference. YET magic obviously work hard to raise funds to be a viable club yet their burden is so much greater than other clubs. This is not the fault of other clubs and we should be grateful for every single dolled our code gets considering the millions ncc spent on other codes venues like say number 2.

While some would consider magic a glamour club and they have been successful and they obviously have worked extremely hard to get where they are, this should not stop us rallying behind them as they too deserve council and government funds to further improve their venue. Let's not forget that every dollar they or any other club spends on their facility is a dollar that can't be spent on development or coaching or gear... And yes it does seem to be inherently unfair that they need to raise their own funds to put in lights and drainage and basically build their whole facility out of a swamp and yet other clubs wait on hand outs. Only my point of view. Not knocking other clubs but it does seem that when you spend a couple grand on soil for drainage or training facility some immediately think they have made a major contribution yet think about the hundreds of thousands if not more this club has put in from their own pockets and that of the magic community.

I dont agree with fr on a lot of issues but he is committed to his club and therefore that's a great thing. More passionate people will make our game better. So for every club that makes the effort great.

[Zico]

I'd be interested to know where you get a 30k figure from for Adamstown? To the best of my knowkledge you could book Adamstown for every single minute of the day and week and year and not come anywhere near that figure of usage rates.

As for leasing any gov facility or ground the gov still own it including any improvements made to the facility, and which from my understanding ncc have contributed nothing to that swamp ground that is now magic park. So even though the ground is leased there is no reason ncc cannot also make improvements to magic park.

I understand what the magician is trying to say when he says that other clubs claim they have spent money on facilities when it is clearly council spending the money. Probably a matter of being honest about what you actually contribute to your respective facilities. It can also be seen to be unfair that some clubs continually have their improvements made for them and others have to spend there hard earned cash on the same thing. It is a good thing that magic don't wait for a hand out as it seems they are few and far between.

I thing Olympic had water tanks put only a couple months ago fully funded by ncc. Edgeworth paid for the new grandstand out of there own pockets and most improvements there are not funded by lmcc so good on them. I have spoken to numerous Jaffas people and can confirm that contrary to the propaganda they put out all the time the vast majority of improvements on that facility have been paid for and done by council. There are very few club members who get dirt under there nails to improve facilities for their clubs.

Edgy received a substantial grant from the government that helped them.

[MFKS]

Do you not think the gripe is warranted? He is not saying other clubs should not get funding, he is saying that it appears that some clubs seem to get a lot for putting very little in. I think his point is right.

Well magic park is still a ncc ground and no matter what magic do they will have no ownership over it. All the lease allows them to do is lock in their tenancy of the venue for an extended period of time. Ncc still have the ability to schedule games and events at the ground. Council have keys to the facility and can enter and leave and conduct works as they please. It's not real to say magic own the ground. Let's compare this to Arthur Eden, where the Jaffas have primary occupancy of the facility and do as they please. So what's the difference? Council don't go booking other games or events at Arthur Eden. No difference. YET magic obviously work hard to raise funds to be a viable club yet their burden is so much greater than other clubs. This is not the fault of other clubs and we should be grateful for every single dolled our code gets considering the millions ncc spent on other codes venues like say number 2.

While some would consider magic a glamour club and they have been successful and they obviously have worked extremely hard to get where they are, this should not stop us rallying behind them as they too deserve council and government funds to further improve their venue. Let's not forget that every dollar they or any other club spends on their facility is a dollar that can't be spent on development or coaching or gear... And yes it does seem to be inherently unfair that they need to raise their own funds to put in lights and drainage and basically build their whole facility out of a swamp and yet other clubs wait on hand outs. Only my point of view. Not knocking other clubs but it does seem that when you spend a couple grand on soil for drainage or training facility some immediately think they have made a major contribution yet think about the hundreds of thousands if not more this club has put in from their own pockets and that of the magic community.

I dont agree with fr on a lot of issues but he is committed to his club and therefore that's a great thing. More passionate people will make our game better. So for every club that makes the effort great.

So you are claiming government funding should be in accordance now with how much effort is actually put in???

To me this little issue is very akin to the actual game of football. Sometimes you bust your arse and get nothing to show for it at Fulltime despite deserving more. Other times you get 3 points completely against the run of play.

It also ain't like Magic are not in a GOOD position to apply for government funding. Playing NYL/W League Jets pre season and FFA Cup games there assist there cause for receiving handouts. Maybe the issue lies in Magic's inability to convince the powers of the needs for funding???

We all are aware how much shit Magic cop for the money made on GF day and lets not forget if the shoe was on the other foot and they got a handout and no one else did everyone would be blowing up deluxe.

The petty gripes though from Magician though seem a case of sour grapes that Jaffas/Rosebuds got money and his club got nothing and no more

[Why Blue]

All this talk of funds/not enough funds just makes me wonder about the use of $11 million to build NNSWF facility at Speers Point..........given that only a handful of "elite" players are going to be able to use the majority of the facility we need to ask what if some of that money was distributed amongst the clubs. Imagine if each NPL club was given say $500k ( still only $6mil to all NPL licence clubs ) to spend on upgrade to their facility, drainage, sheds etc. Then it is possible that NNSWF might have say 10 excellent facilities available for them. Then many players could benefit.

I know...............stupid thinkin................best NNSWF keep it all for them............they do such a good job..........................

[late_to_the_game]

Have council ever booked a game or team onto Magic park?

The Emerging Jets, Adamstown Juniors (WPL) and school teams certainly get access to Adamstown, often without the club knowing.

Adamstown has to book and pay for #1 Monday -Thursday even though they don't use it, otherwise council have threatened to let others book it.
So in winter that also means paying $ 2.50 per light per hour, wether they are on or not and there are a lot of lights....

I am not knocking Magic, I really admire what they have done/ are doing but to assume everyone else is getting stuff for free is just plain wrong.

As I said previously pros and cons for either model.

P.s. I would be very supprised if council put up the 40k for Hamiltons irrigation system which was installed by contractors, not council. Also Jim (persident) was down there every day during the install getting dirt under his fingernails. He even repaired one of the contractors machines for them.

[MFKS]

All this talk of funds/not enough funds just makes me wonder about the use of $11 million to build NNSWF facility at Speers Point..........given that only a handful of "elite" players are going to be able to use the majority of the facility we need to ask what if some of that money was distributed amongst the clubs. Imagine if each NPL club was given say $500k ( still only $6mil to all NPL licence clubs ) to spend on upgrade to their facility, drainage, sheds etc. Then it is possible that NNSWF might have say 10 excellent facilities available for them. Then many players could benefit.

I know...............stupid thinkin................best NNSWF keep it all for them............they do such a good job..........................

Elite players??

Make no mistake about it Speers Point will be the new training facility for the Jets paid for by NNSW and NSW State Governments.

Now that is great work by the club to get that to happen

[Why Blue]

Elite players??

Make no mistake about it Speers Point will be the new training facility for the Jets paid for by NNSW and NSW State Governments.

Now that is great work by the club to get that to happen

My understanding is that the new facility will be used for W League Jets, Emerging Jets and Macquarie Football only. Not Jets ...........and nor it should.
I also understand that schools that have previously used grounds at Macquarie have been told to look elsewhere............which is wrong, I thought NNSWF were administering the development of football for ALL in their area.

There will be of course the commercial entity Football 5's that will be running a business out of the govt funded complex..............let me check who owns that ?????

[MFKS]

My understanding is that the new facility will be used for W League Jets, Emerging Jets and Macquarie Football only. Not Jets ...........and nor it should.
I also understand that schools that have previously used grounds at Macquarie have been told to look elsewhere............which is wrong, I thought NNSWF were administering the development of football for ALL in their area.
WE WILL SEE ABOUT THAT

There will be of course the commercial entity Football 5's that will be running a business out of the govt funded complex..............let me check who owns that ?????

:whistling:

[Footyhead]

who gives a crap- if you get monies or not, this forum is about NPL Youth.
all facilities are shit, and always will be, untill we improve the structure and running of the sport in NNSW F, untill then, shit facilities, double points- instead of playing the game , player point systems, minimal funding from councils, increased player regos, and shit results from the jets and there poor ownership whoas...
Lastly the Elite EJETS pathway, becoming a comical tragety, every year good players out, shit players in, and lastly consecutive poor results at Nationals...
Surely we see a bigger problem here????? or do we??????

Aye MT, agree

[Why Blue]

who gives a crap- if you get monies or not, this forum is about NPL Youth.
all facilities are shit, and always will be, untill we improve the structure and running of the sport in NNSW F, untill then, shit facilities, double points- instead of playing the game , player point systems, minimal funding from councils, increased player regos, and shit results from the jets and there poor ownership whoas...
Lastly the Elite EJETS pathway, becoming a comical tragety, every year good players out, shit players in, and lastly consecutive poor results at Nationals...
Surely we see a bigger problem here????? or do we??????

You know MT.................you are correct...............100%
Facilities are for the most part crap.............clubs with good facilities call off youth to save for seniors
Double Points...well that is just a farce.
Funding..........well you saw my idea..........maybe NNSWF should actually be assisting clubs................

But biggest problem is EJ program...............comical tragedy is probably best description I have heard.............
Results at Nationals for both 13 & 14's this year were terrible. Some with in the 14's actually believed they had a chance at winning.............but could not win a game, scoring 2 goals in 6 games. Thank god their late call up keeper got keeper of the tournament, results might have been worse.

Squads named for 2015 are very average at best. I think most people who spend time around NPL comp know that stronger players exist outside the EJ program

I believe that EJ squads have all now resumed training on a 4 night/ 3 night a week roster, 7 sessions a fortnight in oct .............but the stupid side to this is no GVE, no Taylor Reagan, U/15 squad had to be coached by a dad...........ffs, but who is to blame, NNSWF or the parents who keep lining up and paying big $$$ for what ????? but they do it no questions asked. U/14 squad might be exception.......with Craig Deans coaching them they will progress.

But why ever no one questions or is game to speak up for fear of hurting their childs chances nothing will change...............

[hamburgler]

who gives a crap- if you get monies or not, this forum is about NPL Youth.
all facilities are shit, and always will be, untill we improve the structure and running of the sport in NNSW F, untill then, shit facilities, double points- instead of playing the game , player point systems, minimal funding from councils, increased player regos, and shit results from the jets and there poor ownership whoas...
Lastly the Elite EJETS pathway, becoming a comical tragety, every year good players out, shit players in, and lastly consecutive poor results at Nationals...
Surely we see a bigger problem here????? or do we??????

Could not agree more MT, you are 100% spot-on!

[Footyhead]

$1030 I heard for EJ girls fees, not sure if this includes travell to Sydney, probably not. Ayyone know what the EJ boys fees are ?

[Why Blue]

look out MT.............done got everyone agreeing with ya.......................must be talkin sense

[Why Blue]

who gives a crap- if you get monies or not, this forum is about NPL Youth.
all facilities are shit, and always will be, untill we improve the structure and running of the sport in NNSW F, untill then, shit facilities, double points- instead of playing the game , player point systems, minimal funding from councils, increased player regos, and shit results from the jets and there poor ownership whoas...
Lastly the Elite EJETS pathway, becoming a comical tragety, every year good players out, shit players in, and lastly consecutive poor results at Nationals...
Surely we see a bigger problem here????? or do we??????


Just curious MT................. what would be your answer to rectifying some of the issues you raise.......

Not having a go............just curious, you seem to be there or there abouts with what is happening, you must have some thoughtsa on how to improve ???

[GO AWAY]

Just curious MT................. what would be your answer to rectifying some of the issues you raise.......

Not having a go............just curious, you seem to be there or there abouts with what is happening, you must have some thoughtsa on how to improve ???

Dont pick kids that shouldnt be there in the first place, look at U16 from last year, alot of them got in because of who they knew, now theyve been dropped, it was almost as if to get them in for a year to fill a void. One year in the NNSW/Jets system doesnt make them Jets, when theres a wealth of kids who have played NNSW from U11 up but now dont get picked or would rather play NPL.

[380]

Dont pick kids that shouldnt be there in the first place, look at U16 from last year, alot of them got in because of who they knew, now theyve been dropped, it was almost as if to get them in for a year to fill a void. One year in the NNSW/Jets system doesnt make them Jets, when theres a wealth of kids who have played NNSW from U11 up but now dont get picked or would rather play NPL.

Seriously how many are going to be Jets LOL ?. But hey its a wonderful title and it is right up there with Elite, Development and Academy as a license to print money.

It really is becoming a rort, when it is the best players up against the best players and not the best payers up against the best payers then i will come around to the concept.

[Footyhead]

apparently EJets boys up to $1800, to slush fund the Macquaire Football Empire- not the quality of coaching??

Macquarie development squads had around 80 kids in the 10s & 11s couple years ago each paying $500 and on top that buy yr own jacket, shorts, socks. Only thing got given is screen printed T-shirt. Coaching was one guy per 11 kids, no bang for buck at all. Dunno if if it's changed now.

I wouldn't group Newcastle Football with Macquarie or the Jets, my experience with NF has been good, professional, caring, good coaching. NF won State titles in boys both age groups and girls 12, came second in girls 14s. Kids are coached to play football move forward, not pass back n forth to keeper and play out from goalkicks EVERY SINGLE TIME.

[Why Blue]

apparently EJets boys up to $1800, to slush fund the Macquaire Football Empire- not the quality of coaching??

cant seem to get a match on this $1800 MT. Parents have been told min $1050. but have been warned about the need for a sink fund to cover costs of maintaining Speers Point Supa Facility. So possible bigger $$$$$

[Why Blue]

Now that some clubs are posting teams on thier web sites and most of us have an idea of how trials etc went. What are your thoughts on 2015 NPL Youth season.

Can comment on U/15's and it seems that clubs tried harder this year. In general it seems clubs will be stronger, Lakes getting distributed and Maitland coming in helped here.
Any thoughts or comments out there ???

[late_to_the_game]

as for the NNSWF sink fund, its been there for over 20 years, watch the space though it will increase.
As for NPL Youth in 2015, looking good for some, and the same for others- it will be a 5 team race in each age group.
Charlestown
Magic
Edgeworth
Olympic
EJETS
Weston will be in some age groups, the rest?

Love these grand statements, will pull this up next year and see how your predictions went!

I will take the bait and bite - put Adamstown down for top 4 in 13s and 14s. 17s will be close again. The 15s will be a big improvement over last year. :woo:

[late_to_the_game]

Well the Buds 17s finished equal on points with the CCB's and both games between them were draws. Didn't CCB finish 5th ?

[Why Blue]

Love these grand statements, will pull this up next year and see how your predictions went!

I will take the bait and bite - put Adamstown down for top 4 in 13s and 14s. 17s will be close again. The 15s will be a big improvement over last year. :woo:

I hope so, in fact I hope all teams improve, isn't that the aim.

but lets see, 13's well should go ok, took a whole team from Macquarie Development and a coach, but did you take the right ones ?????? me thinks not
14's did well as 13's so should continue
15's poor performance in 14's, but have added 2x ex Emerging Jets and few other changes, should be better
17's, well 15's were terrible this year so dont know what they can add to an average 17's squad, hopefully they recruited well and will be stronger.

so crystal balling semi's for 14's only......rest mid packs

[JCBT]

Weston looking strong in most grades.

[Why Blue]

Weston looking strong in most grades.

good............

what happened in 15's..........lost kids to Maitland after being picked.............shame

[Why Blue]

Top 4 predictions
13's- Magic, Edgy, CCB and FMNC
14's- EJets, Magic, Edgy, Buds
15's- CCB, Magic, Olympic, Edgy,
17's- Magic, Edgy, Jaffas, CCB

jeeeezzzzeeeee its happened again..........................think i have to agree with you MT

13's will be hard, I know Magic, CCB, Buds worked hard to get strong teams.........FMNC will be strong yes

14's ok but watch FMNC again

15's yep but EJ's will edge out Edgy..........haha

17's again close...maybe FMNC what about Weston............had strong 15's

bit of crystal balling

[prawnhead]

I hope so, in fact I hope all teams improve, isn't that the aim.

but lets see, 13's well should go ok, took a whole team from Macquarie Development and a coach, but did you take the right ones ?????? me thinks not
14's did well as 13's so should continue
15's poor performance in 14's, but have added 2x ex Emerging Jets and few other changes, should be better
17's, well 15's were terrible this year so dont know what they can add to an average 17's squad, hopefully they recruited well and will be stronger.

so crystal balling semi's for 14's only......rest mid packs

I can't believe all this banter on NPL junior squads about where sides will finish and who will be strong etc etc. FFS they're only kids - let them just play and develop. Leave all your predictions for the senior NPL threads.

[Why Blue]

I can't believe all this banter on NPL junior squads about where sides will finish and who will be strong etc etc. FFS they're only kids - let them just play and develop. Leave all your predictions for the senior NPL threads.

FFS yourself..............why cant Youth have same banter as senior ??????

its just a bit of fun.................FFS

[Footyhead]

I can't believe all this banter on NPL junior squads about where sides will finish and who will be strong etc etc. FFS they're only kids - let them just play and develop. Leave all your predictions for the senior NPL threads.

I think if you talk to any of the kids at these age levels, they're not just playing and developing, it is very competitive. We're not talking about ID B grade or U6 small sided.
If you don't like this banter, then don't read this thread. I myself quite enjoy it.

[late_to_the_game]

r u kidding?
i dont give a crap about the seniors.
ok heres a prediction, stay on the senior site

My god I am agreeing with Mother T......

[Why Blue]

My god I am agreeing with Mother T......

I know................its catching.......................better find drs no...............quick

[Why Blue]

Hi everybody-
Dr Nick Riveria is the man

your a funny man MT...............bloody hell...........world spinning

[Footyhead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlmECL2ED2I
yup

[FMC]

Well the Buds 17s finished equal on points with the CCB's and both games between them were draws. Didn't CCB finish 5th ?

CCB 17's finished in 5th but ?? Should have come 4th or higher !!!! Adamstown did not come equal points with CCB

[Bremsstrahlung]

Any player movements?
Gains and Losses for each team?

[late_to_the_game]

CCB 17's finished in 5th but ?? Should have come 4th or higher !!!! Adamstown did not come equal points with CCB

Sorry, could not help myself.....

1 Hamilton Olympic FC 20 19 1 0 53 8 45 58
2 Broadmeadow Magic FC 20 11 3 6 43 34 9 36
3 Edgeworth FC 20 9 4 7 40 35 5 31
4 Lambton Jaffas FC 20 8 4 8 30 28 2 28
5 Charlestown City Blues FC 20 6 7 7 28 25 3 25
6 Adamstown Rosebud FC 20 6 7 7 33 32 1 25
7 Football Mid North Coast 20 8 1 11 32 44 -12 25
8 Weston Workers FC 20 6 6 8 21 21 0 24
9 Lake Macquarie City FC 20 6 4 10 25 49 -24 22
10 Emerging Jets 20 6 2 12 27 35 -8 20
11 South Cardiff FC 20 3 5 12 22 43 -21 14

[hamburgler]

CCB 17's finished in 5th but ?? Should have come 4th or higher !!!! Adamstown did not come equal points with CCB

They would have finished higher had they won more than 6 games from 20. In fact, they lost more games than they won!

[Bremsstrahlung]

If they won more, they would've ended up with more points.





Where's captain obvious when you need him/her?

[Footyhead]

If they won more, they would've ended up with more points.





Where's captain obvious when you need him/her?

888

here he is

[hamburgler]

You missed my point - most teams can say they should have finished higher, with a game or two that got away from them for whatever reason.

FMC seemed to be claiming Charlestown should have finished higher. My point was at the end of the day winning 6 from 20 is not a great result!

[GO AWAY]

You missed my point - most teams can say they should have finished higher, with a game or two that got away from them for whatever reason.

FMC seemed to be claiming Charlestown should have finished higher. My point was at the end of the day winning 6 from 20 is not a great result!

What about only losing seven from twenty ?

[Why Blue]

r we for real?
who gives a shit- they didnt make it, neither did FMNC
lets see next year, stop paying for the therapy sessions, because they missed out.
unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!: deadhorse:

yep.........agree......................move on...............2015 season is upon us....................draw is out................

[Why Blue]

News in Newcastle Herald today that Jets are withdrawing funding for Emerging Jets Program for 2015 season. Thoughts ???

I think its the perfect opportunity for NNSWF to overhaul their "elite" programs and look at getting back to providing development for juniors thru the NPL comp that is in place and is where the elite play and should play. Imagine if they contributed some funds to clubs to assist clubs in developing youth ??? we would have a development program for approx 180 players in every age group 13'3 thru to 17's WOW.............


But problem is they are now bogged down with the new Football Facility and it needs to be funded..............so some sort of program will need to be implemented...........Eland admits that parents of elite players will need to contribute to ongoing maintenance etc of new facility..........so NNSWF need a "program" in which they sucker parents that thier elite kids needs to be part of and pay us big $$$$ so we can maintain our elite facility...........

And yes I know girls are effected by this but they have a WPL thread to post in

[Why Blue]

Interesting that Middleby is quoted as saying "I have made it clear to potential owners that the emerging jets has to be a priority going forward"

But for some reason they cant commit to funding themselves ??

Maybe a potential owner want to run their own professional youth program, with the real talented kids and the correct program's and coaching ??????

[GO AWAY]

News in Newcastle Herald today that Jets are withdrawing funding for Emerging Jets Program for 2015 season. Thoughts ???

I think its the perfect opportunity for NNSWF to overhaul their "elite" programs and look at getting back to providing development for juniors thru the NPL comp that is in place and is where the elite play and should play. Imagine if they contributed some funds to clubs to assist clubs in developing youth ??? we would have a development program for approx 180 players in every age group 13'3 thru to 17's WOW.............


But problem is they are now bogged down with the new Football Facility and it needs to be funded..............so some sort of program will need to be implemented...........Eland admits that parents of elite players will need to contribute to ongoing maintenance etc of new facility..........so NNSWF need a "program" in which they sucker parents that thier elite kids needs to be part of and pay us big $$$$ so we can maintain our elite facility...........

And yes I know girls are effected by this but they have a WPL thread to post in

Lets just hope if they are all filtered out in to the club system, they dont get prioritised over kids already selected for club sides, because, newsflash, half the kids in the club system are alot better then EJ kids. Some clubs have already put EJ kids that missed out straight in to teams, jumping above other kids, unfortunately they may have a shock coming.

[hamburgler]

Lets just hope if they are all filtered out in to the club system, they dont get prioritised over kids already selected for club sides, because, newsflash, half the kids in the club system are alot better then EJ kids. Some clubs have already put EJ kids that missed out straight in to teams, jumping above other kids, unfortunately they may have a shock coming.

Could not agree more Go Away.

It would be very poor form for any NPL club to expect loyalty to them and frown upon any player who trials elsewhere, then ditch those who have stayed loyal, accepted a spot for 2015, only to then be ditched for an EJ player, who is probably not a lot better than the player being displaced.

DISGRACEFUL if that were to happen!

[Bremsstrahlung]

agree
go away
i believe the EJets, NNSW F now have to explain to all the parents, and players- what a waste of time, and money it was, and unfortunately you were not better off, didnt develop, and thanks for providing a cushy job for us, over the years.
These players, now should go to A grade, and bring back the parents to reality, that there shit does stink like everyone else.

Why punish an obviously talented footballer. it's not their fault their elite program collapsed, all they were doing was playing football. These kids were probably ecstatic, they were playing for their local a league team. We should be praising these kids for aiming high (questionable, but in theory playing for an a league clubs junior team should be an honour) as there are many who can't be bothered or weren't selected (some right or wrongly). Sending them to an A-grade competition simply to "teach their parents a lesson" is absolutely ridiculous, and your intentions are hypocritical. Regardless of your views of the emerging jets program, punishing the emerging jets players by holding back their development just to teach their mum or dad a lesson is frankly appalling. Yes, there were questionable methods in selective teams, and a range of negatives surrounding the process and bang-for-buck value of the program, but all these kids want to do I play football and succeed. That's why they turn up to train 3-4 times a week and games all throughout their summer and onto season proper, they are committed to being the best they can be. You have a few players quitting the Jets youth program because
they can't commit to the schedule.

Ethically and morally, yes, the clubs should be honouring their commitment to the players they have selected. Replacing them, would be wrong I agree. Unethically, the clubs are simply trying to get the best 14 or so players into their team/club.

What should happen? NNSW and Jets and other stakeholders, should commit to the 2015 season as they are well and truly underway. Anything else and these players are disadvantaged and they shouldn't be punished for believing in themselves and the promises of EJ.

[Footyhead]

hot of the press
talk is EJets are gone this morning, and folded the program up?
any news from anyone, confirming this.
If true- plenty of counselling sessions will be booked today!!!!!!, with the die hard parents- damage control has started...

Where did u hear this MT ? As useless as Jets & NNSW are, surely they should be coming up with some contingency plan or delay the decision, the writing's been on the wall for a long while. Draws are already out, teams are already filled.
If your sauce is correct and they're scrambling, this will be the penultimate gibberers mess.

[The Magician]

Could not agree more Go Away.

It would be very poor form for any NPL club to expect loyalty to them and frown upon any player who trials elsewhere, then ditch those who have stayed loyal, accepted a spot for 2015, only to then be ditched for an EJ player, who is probably not a lot better than the player being displaced.

DISGRACEFUL if that were to happen!

Emerging Jets Program or NNSWF High Performance NNSWIS XYZ program or what ever it will be called will be around for a while to come yet, status quo will remain until at least 2016 when the next NPL licences are applied for and dished out (for NPL season 2017) and we either adhere to fully the FFA recommendations on clubs having SAP>>> First Grade (12,14,16,18,20, First), as done by all the other states or we continue on with our current model. But, Its within the NNSW strategic plan to have teams competing against the other member federations through the NTC so they will be representing for a while to come yet irrespective of how they form a representation for NNSWF or what they are called. Northern wouldn't be undertaking such a program without the financial contingencies in place or at least the methodology to break even... user pays is the first avenue for such contingencies, as explained in the article... the name will carry for a while as i don't think NNSWF are too concerned about the expensive task of rebranding or re-kitting. Players shouldn't be worried about losing their places to Jets players for season 2015...

On another note... with Northern raising their rego fees to factor in things like 'future facility upgrades and maintenance' it now allows clubs to do the same... 'whats good for the goose'... For those clubs who actually invest in maintenance of their grounds that is... but club's now know they cant charge more than $1350 per year for rego as occurred in 2014 when Ejects charged 850 and clubs charges 750.00 no complaints.

[The Magician]

GVE was on KOFM this afternoon talking about the Ejets program... did anyone catch it?

[italian stallion]

gve said all gooood

[Why Blue]

GVE................big part of the problem, thanks to the con from the Jets that dumped GVE into role at EJ's, remember the one were the Jets wanted to sack him but couldn't afford to pay out his contract, so came up with this wonderful plan to place him in the role at EJ's, great deal for GVE and the Jets, now the Jets walk away.

NNSWF should take this opportunity to overhaul the whole program, including coaches

They have a guy in Craig Deans currently coaching U/14 EJ's that would be perfect for the top job, knows his football, in 2014 not 1900"s, he is an excellent communicator with the kids, earns their respect and in turn gives the kids respect back.

Coach Deans is the sort of person NNSWF should be looking to lead their program, he is the future of football development, not the past. The biggest worry is that NNSWF will continue to allow GVE to continue in the role with his 1900's mentality and we as a football community will lose talented people that have the ability to take the game forward

[Thomas477]

Paging the Member.

Deans the future of NNSWF, **** me.

[prawnhead]

GVE................big part of the problem, thanks to the con from the Jets that dumped GVE into role at EJ's, remember the one were the Jets wanted to sack him but couldn't afford to pay out his contract, so came up with this wonderful plan to place him in the role at EJ's, great deal for GVE and the Jets, now the Jets walk away.

NNSWF should take this opportunity to overhaul the whole program, including coaches

They have a guy in Craig Deans currently coaching U/14 EJ's that would be perfect for the top job, knows his football, in 2014 not 1900"s, he is an excellent communicator with the kids, earns their respect and in turn gives the kids respect back.

Coach Deans is the sort of person NNSWF should be looking to lead their program, he is the future of football development, not the past. The biggest worry is that NNSWF will continue to allow GVE to continue in the role with his 1900's mentality and we as a football community will lose talented people that have the ability to take the game forward

Surely your taking the piss mate. Craig Deans as the future of football development in NNSW? He is a nice bloke but geez....

[ForeverRed]

Van egmond was appointed by the FFA in conjunction with NNSWF

[Why Blue]

jeez........Craig Deans 0-2 in a KO.........

I am simply commenting on my observations, dont even know the guy. Deans has been involved coaching my son over the last 6 mths and I my son rates him very highly, not only his knowledge but his ability to portray that across to the kids and as I said he treats the kids with respect as such he gets it back. Also very positive comments from recent attendee's at coaching course's that Deans assisted with and finally again very positive comments coming out of U/14 EJ's that he is coaching. So I stand by my comments, all I know is that recent years with NNSWF & EJ's have been a joke.

And yes ForeverRed I know the official line as well, but you need to open those eyes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GVE appointment was a means to an end

[MFKS]

GVE................big part of the problem, thanks to the con from the Jets that dumped GVE into role at EJ's, remember the one were the Jets wanted to sack him but couldn't afford to pay out his contract, so came up with this wonderful plan to place him in the role at EJ's, great deal for GVE and the Jets, now the Jets walk away.

NNSWF should take this opportunity to overhaul the whole program, including coaches

They have a guy in Craig Deans currently coaching U/14 EJ's that would be perfect for the top job, knows his football, in 2014 not 1900"s, he is an excellent communicator with the kids, earns their respect and in turn gives the kids respect back.

Coach Deans is the sort of person NNSWF should be looking to lead their program, he is the future of football development, not the past. The biggest worry is that NNSWF will continue to allow GVE to continue in the role with his 1900's mentality and we as a football community will lose talented people that have the ability to take the game forward

Seriously you are either Craig Deans blowing your own horn or dead set taking the piss with one of the worst trolls of all time

[italian stallion]

MFKS have you had anything to do with deans?

[Why Blue]

Seriously you are either Craig Deans blowing your own horn or dead set taking the piss with one of the worst trolls of all time

No neither........................

However MFKS, this is just another example of your 5000+ posts. None of which have ever, in my opinion contained anything other than smart arse comments that contribute very little.

Very easy to bag people.................much harder to contribute !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zico]

No neither........................

However MFKS, this is just another example of your 5000+ posts. None of which have ever, in my opinion anything other than smart arse comments that contribute very little.

Very easy to bag people.................much harder to contribute !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:thumbsup:

[Why Blue]

"It isn't all tecnical/tactical ability that defines the coach. A lot of it has to do with the culture of the club, the quality of the players he has and the chemistry of the relationship he has with them."

Agree 100% with this comment, best coach cant turn pig poo into jam, eg Deans with 14 EJ's wont matter if he is good coach or not, kids are not up to being coached.

The relationship is a very important thing at NPL Youth level, coach must be able to get his thoughts across to teen age boys, in a manner that they can put into practice. CCB 14's this year, may not have been the best team all year, clearly Olyimpic were, but come semi final time the team knew their jobs and what was expected of them, the coach had been working towards this all year and every boy understood.

And club culture is important, I believe EJ coaches are up against it from the start, there is no culture at EJ's, only to be better than your team mate at all cost. How can a coach turn that into a team ?? A good strong club culture that emphasises team and team work is a great starting point for a coach to build the team culture on.

[Why Blue]

why blue- you should be mother theresa with your thoughts of the day,
Please let go of Deans, EJets , CCB 14NPL , seriously, they are becomiong confused kids- wind blown up there asses, on how good they are, then get dropped, Whyblue soon enough we will see who will grace our televisions in the coming years, NEWS FLASH-no one from any program in Newcastle, NNSW or EJets.

Example: NTC challenge, again EJets shit house, if we accept mediocre then thats what we get
as for culture, and environment, CCB strong club culture????? please Tully, and Tully only- no club culture there, just pay up now we need monies!
Total overhaul is required, starting from the Top.
We in NNSW, are now the laughing stock in the Australian Football world, we win nothing, do nothing, promote nothing, and continually have a bankrupt A League club.

Ok MT........we both agree EJ's program or should it now just be the "Emerging" program is crap...............with a dog eat dog culture.

and if you notice I spoke of one team culture at CCB not the CCB club culture......................

and yes have seen NTC early results on NNSWF site..............but they stopped after tuesday so i assumed it was not good...........do you know latest results ??

[Footyhead]

CCB strong club culture????? please Tully, and Tully only- no club culture there, just pay up now we need monies!



This +1000. Whilst Mr Tull is at the helm there can be no good culture. Good luck whyblue, hope yr U14s can stick together, but as they get older will be very hard.

[Imyourhero]

Name 3 skills involved in football that you believe all Australian kids should know (or at least be aware of the need to work on) by the time they're 16, be it physical/mental etc
I would go:
1. Body positioning
2. Movement off the ball
3. Spacial awareness

[prawnhead]

good luck
when you find them, let everyone know.
whilst the curriculum exists, and promotes stripping natural ability, the football brain and technique- we will create zero players.

Some of what you post Old Girl is Gospel but some is absolute shite. In this occasion Old Girl Hail Mary to you.

[Why Blue]

good luck
when you find them, let everyone know.
whilst the curriculum exists, and promotes stripping natural ability, the football brain and technique- we will create zero players.

Yep absolute gospel MT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have always argued that they supposedly pick the talented kids.....................and then spend the thier time at NNSWF - EJ's etc turning them into robots...........taking any natural ability out of the kid.................just repetitive coaching .......we all taught our kids how to talk !!!!!!!!!

[Why Blue]

Name 3 skills involved in football that you believe all Australian kids should know (or at least be aware of the need to work on) by the time they're 16, be it physical/mental etc
I would go:
1. Body positioning
2. Movement off the ball
3. Spacial awareness

Ok three skills ?? not sure I can limit it to skills but here goes

1. Fitness...........number of kids that cant play 70 mins is unbelievable, let alone with some sort of intensity.
2. Body Positioning, agree, but goes a long way to fitness and core strength, but this is one area where you can tell players who have/have not had good training.
3. Movement of the ball, creating options, too many young players think that because they don't have the ball that don't have to do anything......wrong, they need to create option's, create space..............even if it is for nothing, don't expect the ball every time.
4. Perception/Knowledge.......the ability to read play, reading your opponents body shape etc to know what way they can or cant play.......this goes with fitness as well, because you have to be able to make those decisions in the first and last minute of the game.

sorry that's four but really there are many and in reality most under 15's do not have the opportunity to be exposed to a coach who understands this

[hamburgler]

apparently Jim Foley- sacked from all positions at Edgeworth
surprise surprise- where will he end up next?

Interesting, must be Magic or Olympic's turn???

[The Magician]

Interesting, must be Magic or Olympic's turn???

Nah... Magic Juniors made that mistake a few years back, i think he only lasted 2 months...


Congratulations Olympic!!! You have won yourself a Jim Foley.

[hawk]

Name 3 skills involved in football that you believe all Australian kids should know (or at least be aware of the need to work on) by the time they're 16, be it physical/mental etc
I would go:
1. Body positioning
2. Movement off the ball
3. Spacial awareness
cant do 3
1. using both feet. Amazing so many cant.
2. 1st & 2nd ball touch/hit
3. body position both on & off ball
4. Awarness. should have 2 or 3 options in mind before you recieve ball & have flair if nothing on.
5. Team movement
6. tackle technique & avoiding injury doing so. also applies to forwards, lol.

[Why Blue]

Disappointed to read in Herald that Jets have not paid for 2014 EJ program..........still owing $100k to NNSWF.
Also disappointed that NNSWF had not disclosed this..............not their job to protect Tinkler or the Jets, they should have used all avenues to chase this monies owing, not just increase fee's to sucker parents.................

[Why Blue]

3rd last on 8 points, in front of Tas, and NT- last game against QLD or SA-
maybe they may get a chance on the bonus play points- please, cant win but want points on FFA curriculam, and amount or passes- if they want scores like that, go on dancing with the stars.
Unfortunately in tournaments people remember who wins, not who strings 10 passes.

As for the culture point you made, it should be the whole club, not a team. this is exactly the problem with the EJets but its not club, team or player, but rather the parent dreaming of stardom for there child- or better still the poor quality coaching staff, keeping a job... do we know what they pay these guys?
I heard Keelan- Sth Cardiffs TD, has left and taken a coaching role with 16's EJets- is this true????

Looks like Keelan is gone from Southy...............he is removed from TD on their web site.................

[Why Blue]

agree y blue
however are you 1 of the sucker parents?
if so make a choice, and leave, the joke continues there, and will continue, however the special parents who want to wear the EJets polo and tracksuit, in hope there child plays for Barcelona is also the problem, if everyone boycotted the program, they would then be finally forced to take action, untill then, there will be a z blue ready to pay up and take your spot.


Not me MT.............have been there..............happy clubbie here........................but sure plenty will line up and pay $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Why Blue]

Hence the continued problem.
Like any business, if it loses market share, or sales due to poor product or service, they either go bust, or overhaul the business, because the consumer boycotts them.
anyway good luck to them, thoughts on NPL Youth in season 2015.
predictions in age groups?

Each to their own................there will always be plenty of parental support for elite programs in all sports............will never change.....
From my limited observations............i do think the program is improving............which is a good thing.......it had to, end of my thoughts !!!

[Why Blue]

Hence the continued problem.
Like any business, if it loses market share, or sales due to poor product or service, they either go bust, or overhaul the business, because the consumer boycotts them.
anyway good luck to them, thoughts on NPL Youth in season 2015.
predictions in age groups?

2015 predictions ??????

Well 13's who knows..............I know 12 Macquarie boys and coaches split between Buds and CCB........

Under 14's.....Rosebuds would have to be strong again

Under 15's....CCB & Olympic...............Magic picked up all the discard jets and came 3rd last year so should improve

Under 17's.......Olympic...........

From what i have heard all clubs are happy with their teams....................all believe they are stronger than last year.............which is a good thing.

I know some new players have come into the comp and some from 2014 have gone...................

so bring it on................a stronger comp cant be a bad thing.

[Why Blue]

In order i believe
13NPL- Magic,Mid North Coast Football, Edgeworth, Charlestown, EJets
14NPL- EJets, Magic, Buds, Edgeworth, Mid North Coast
15NPL- Magic, CCB, Olympic, Edgeworth, EJets
17NPL- Olympic, Magic, Edgeworth,CCB, Jaffas

I left EJ's out.................given they play for development............not points...........

rest i cant really argue with...........except 15's of course.........but as I said magic got all three EJ discards on top of a strong quad that finished 3rd in 2014 so yes they should finish higher.

and yes with all clubs looking to strengthen their NPL upsets could be on the cards

[hamburgler]

Sth Cardiff v Maitland youth trials today

17s Sthy 2-0 over Maitland
15s Sthy 3-2 over Maitland

[late_to_the_game]

Sth Cardiff v Maitland youth trials today

17s Sthy 2-0 over Maitland
15s Sthy 3-2 over Maitland

Bit worrying for Maitland given the Southy 14's and 15's got 110 and 77 goals scored against them last year.....

[Bremsstrahlung]

Bit worrying for Maitland given the Southy 14's and 15's got 110 and 77 goals scored against them last year.....

Probably the exact same team.

[Why Blue]

Probably the exact same team.

2015 U/15 team from Southy will be a lot stronger than 2014 U/14. 2014 Southy buggered up, held trials after every other club and were left with players as such.

This year they seem to have been more pro active, trialled at same time as others and got a few better quality players as a result.

I hope southy and all the teams are stronger this year..................will be a better comp for all to play in.

Remember also these are trials, who knows what has been going on at clubs ??? some clubs have been training some haven't. Some teams have positions settled other dont........

I know at CCB training returns tonight, first since before xmas, trial games scheduled for sunday, so wouldn't be expecting great thing's. Also 6 new players to look at and see how they fit in comparison to existing. So trials are just that.

[late_to_the_game]

Heard that Adamstown 15s beat Magic in a trial last week, by more than 5. But only a trial.

[Why Blue]

15A's late to the game- definitely not 15NPL, dont get too excited.

phew !!!!!.......with all magic's new players would have had to have held an enquiry as to where Gordo found all that talent for buds......................

[The Magician]

phew !!!!!.......with all magic's new players would have had to have held an enquiry as to where Gordo found all that talent for buds......................

Don't know what you mean by 'All' new players... Magic have added only 2-4 players per squad of 16 from U14's and up... hardly raping the competition as so many people put out there...

[late_to_the_game]

15A's late to the game- definitely not 15NPL, dont get too excited.

Thought it sounded a little odd.
Good information for that discussion about A grade sides vs NPL though.

[Why Blue]

Don't know what you mean by 'All' new players... Magic have added only 2-4 players per squad of 16 from U14's and up... hardly raping the competition as so many people put out there...

yes but !!!!...........in U/15 NPL magic did secure all 3 players that were discarded from the jets............

[Why Blue]

Thought it sounded a little odd.
Good information for that discussion about A grade sides vs NPL though.

yes.....it proves that A grade is no match for NPL.............simple

[Why Blue]

Why Blue- not sure where you are going with that statement?
they signed 3 players - f$%k big deal- you apparently signed 6??? Talking to relevant coaches, Magic is the only team along with Olympic, that maintained majority of there squad from last year.

As for A grade not being a match for NPL i disagree, as i heard this game was on, and went to watch. Basically Rosebuds were poor, and so was the A grade team on the night, i think there was luck for 1 team, and keeper errors, which cost 3 or 4 goals, that played in this game, if played again, i think a draw would be more accurate.
Just like the Sthy result, dont read into it-

MT.........keep your shirt on...............not going anywhere with any statement. Good on Magic & Olympic for keeping stable squad and yes there are 6 new players to CCB 15 squad..............but as I have said before, 2 went to jets, 2 didn't come back from last year and 1 was added as squad only had 15 last year. So really only 1 players from last year that wanted to play with CCB didn't get a spot.
Anyway all teams should be chasing the best possible squad.............so no drama's from me. My comment was simply along the lines that Magic, by adding 3 quality players, should be a better squad this year than last.

As for NPL v A grade.............do not even want to start this again. NPL is highest level, if you want to play highest level play NPL................simple. Not a question about players and their ability, just a fact. That said, why would a good player want to play in the 2nd comp ????

[Y Bloo?]

Also many NPL players not interested in playing for Emerging Jets.

[I changed my user name]

Also many NPL players not interested in playing for Emerging Jets.

For sure , Emerging Jets does not automatically mean best kids are in those teams.

[Wire Blew]

Apparently most NPL teams from BM Magic are playing Emerging Jets this weekend at the new Speers Point facility. Should be interesting.
Anyway, here's wishing all teams a great 2015.

[Why Blue]

Also many NPL players not interested in playing for Emerging Jets.

valid point & welcome Y Bloo.............nice name

Kids should not have to play for EJ's to be identified as talented, NNSWF own website shows a talented player pathway that has scouting/ID from Zone SAP U/10 all the way thru to NPL U/17. In reality if the kid is playing with a good strong team with capable players around him/her and a coach who has some ability to develop the kids and bring them forward, than that is all you can ask for, if this is in NPL or EJ's doesn't matter as long as kid is progressing.

[Why Blue]

For sure , Emerging Jets does not automatically mean best kids are in those teams.

Agreed, but to be fair most deserve their spot, but yes in most age groups there are some players in NPL that could if given the opportunity fit into these squads with no problems at all. But they have to want to ...........

[Why Blue]

Apparently most NPL teams from BM Magic are playing Emerging Jets this weekend at the new Speers Point facility. Should be interesting.
Anyway, here's wishing all teams a great 2015.

Wire Blew............another great name.

any idea of times for these games, might drop by, check out new facility and what should be some cracker games.

[Wire Blew]

Wire Blew............another great name.

any idea of times for these games, might drop by, check out new facility and what should be some cracker games.
13s at 9, 14s at 10.30, 15s at 12, 17s at 1.30, 19s at 3.30, 22s at 5.30.
Games on Sunday at Speers Point and I believe the times refer to Magic teams who will be playing EJs teams from age below.

[Why Blue]

13s at 9, 14s at 10.30, 15s at 12, 17s at 1.30, 19s at 3.30, 22s at 5.30.
Games on Sunday at Speers Point and I believe the times refer to Magic teams who will be playing EJs teams from age below.

Thanks
Shame I will be at Weston for our trial games.

Magic V Jets should be great games from two teams that will be strong in all ages...........

[433]

Also does not mean best kids in NPL either.
Take my hat off to clubs supporting playeers through development but some clubs politics play a role here.
Ie witnessed Sth Cardiff v maitland 17s last Sunday...amazed to see what looked like a 12 or 13 year old on the field for Southy....he's not able to compete due to size etc and does not have the talent to make up the difference so why is the club persisting with his selection at the expense of a player who can compete? There will be many many players in New FM comp
With higher abilities.
Seems a common scenario in Newy football.

[Why Blue]

Also does not mean best kids in NPL either.
Take my hat off to clubs supporting playeers through development but some clubs politics play a role here.
Ie witnessed Sth Cardiff v maitland 17s last Sunday...amazed to see what looked like a 12 or 13 year old on the field for Southy....he's not able to compete due to size etc and does not have the talent to make up the difference so why is the club persisting with his selection at the expense of a player who can compete? There will be many many players in New FM comp
With higher abilities.
Seems a common scenario in Newy football.

Not sure about kid you are talking about but maybe there are a few scenarios, maybe no better kids turned up to trial ?? or maybe it is political as you seem to suggest. If its political than the club will suffer, simple and short sighted. If its because no one better trialled, then how do we get these kids that are in NEW FM, A Grade etc to come and play NPL ???

I have no doubt that there are some players in A grade comp that would get a start in a few NPL teams. But are they trialling ??? do they want to play NPL ???

Its only 2nd year of NPL and I am sure as time goes by most players that want to test themselves and play against the better teams/players will find themselves a home in NPL.

[Jardelsimage]

Also does not mean best kids in NPL either.
Take my hat off to clubs supporting playeers through development but some clubs politics play a role here.
Ie witnessed Sth Cardiff v maitland 17s last Sunday...amazed to see what looked like a 12 or 13 year old on the field for Southy....he's not able to compete due to size etc and does not have the talent to make up the difference so why is the club persisting with his selection at the expense of a player who can compete? There will be many many players in New FM comp
With higher abilities.
Seems a common scenario in Newy football.
Speculation about his age unless you actually know him, so how can you question what the club is doing? ?????? and I think size doesn't matter it is age that determines where you play.....some of the best footballers over the years have been the size of hobbits........

[namwob99]

Speculation about his age unless you actually know him, so how can you question what the club is doing? ?????? and I think size doesn't matter it is age that determines where you play.....some of the best footballers over the years have been the size of hobbits........

I bet messi was a giant when he was 12-13, he's turned out to be alright.

[Bremsstrahlung]

So how old was he when you asked? Or are we just assuming he's actually 12-13 because he is smaller? Maybe he had a bad game? Maybe the club see that he has potential? Maybe they gave a game to one of their younger team players as they were short(pun not intended). Without knowing the full story, or seeing him play more than once, it's a bit tough to make a legitimate comment on. Who really cares? Young bloke having a go, good on him. Obviously can't be too bad if Southy ended up winning, against Maitland who are well known for their junior base up that way.

[MFKS]

I bet messi was a giant when he was 12-13, he's turned out to be alright.

He always had the talent but they were worried he would never be big enough physically to showcase it


All the Human Growth meds he got helped him out.

[433]

Player is 16.
However my comments are not aimed at the player personally, yes it's Great he's having a go.
And Yes he does have potential...as do all young players.
No, they were not short of players on the day,he's a regular player.
I couldn't agree more regarding short satire players in the game, there have been too many to list.
Look around many youth games at NPL around the country and youth leagues around the world they are there, sure,
But the difference is these players make up for the size disadvantage with above average skill sets and football brains,
If your short you have to have something else..something special.
Been around the game playing and coaching so long and caring, yes I care, about these age groups that it concerns me when I see a player like this who would develop far better in a lower grade like NEWFM or A grade.
He will have more time to develop the obvious skills he will need as his age peers develop even more physically over the next year or so, which begs the question... Where does a player like this go after 17s.?
So, my point is he would be better off in lower grade an give another player in lower grade who is capable of stepping up the chance to develop also.Theres plenty of em.
So, politics? Maybe but not to his benefit.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Where does a player like this go after 17s.?
So, my point is he would be better off in lower grade an give another player in lower grade who is capable of stepping up the chance to develop also.Theres plenty of em.
So, politics? Maybe but not to his benefit.

I don't really understand what the big deal is?
He's 16 playing in U/17s. So the initial controversy of them playing a 12-13 year old is out the window.
Yes, I agree, there probably are better players playing in A-Grade, or NewFM, or wherever. This is the case with every football team everywhere. There are better players playing NEWFM than in some NPL squads. There are better players playing 12G than in some 12A. All for varying reasons. We've had this discussion before, saying that Emerging Jets are not the best 11 in NPL. There's always somebody who could be given a shot over somebody else.
And I disagree that he would be better off in a lower grade and develop more. Any high/elite level exposure you can get is more beneficial. He will be better off with a year in NPL Youth, than a year in NEWFM. I daresay any player would (if they are getting same amount of game time).

The point re: where to after 17s is a good point. I guess these players that play through the junior ranks of the NPL set up, only a few are going to make it into seniors. Those that don't generally filter down the various competitions.

[late_to_the_game]

Trial game scores today that I know the score of

Hamilton 15s 2-1 over Adamstown.
Hamilton 17s 1-1 Adamstown

Adamstown led both games.

Jets 2-0 over Magic 17s. Apparently the timekeeping by the refs was interesting.

The other two Hamilton- Adamstown games were close. But don't know the scores.

[Wire Blew]

Jets v Magic
13s 14s & 15s all ended in close wins to Magic.
14s lucky to get result. 15s very dominant by Magic until late in the game when players rested to back up for 17s who were short on numbers.

[Wild Brew]

New facilities at Speers Point made it hard on all players yesterday. The surface doesn't have a sprinkler system and the boys struggled in the heat and with blisters. The pitches are also smaller than most they would play on. Apart from that it was impressive.

[The Northern Defender]

Magic vs FMNC in Taree on Sunday. Should be another early guide for those looking to assess team form and recruitment.

[ForeverRed]

Recruitment, what a laugh, it's kids football, who cares who wins, it's development, some parents shouldn't be anywhere near kids sport

[namwob99]

Recruitment, what a laugh, it's kids football, who cares who wins, it's development, some parents shouldn't be anywhere near kids sport

Why this forum is a joke.

[q-money]

yet you're all still on here, banging out the posts eh

[namwob99]

yet you're all still on here, banging out the posts eh
That's it. Just checking that NPL is better than A-div and who's recruited best in NPL u/13's!!

[Why Blue]

Recruitment, what a laugh, it's kids football, who cares who wins, it's development, some parents shouldn't be anywhere near kids sport

Whilst I suspect the word recruitment was a bit tongue in cheek. It is naive to think that it does not go on. Both years of NPL Youth 2014 & 2015 I received calls from clubs wanting to know what my son was doing, would he consider, etc etc.

I have no issues really, clubs should be about trying to get talented kids to their clubs and then providing a pathway of development that could see the kid progress to 1st grade or further.

Just need to get those club coach's/officials away from the gates at Macquarie/Newcastle & Hunter at the end of U/12

[Why Blue]

That's it. Just checking that NPL is better than A-div and who's recruited best in NPL u/13's!!

Yep just checked, NPL Youth is a much stronger comp that A grade, nothing has changed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want any indication..............Rosebuds U/15 NPL 7 v Magic U/15A 1......................so last years Grandfinal winning team in 14A's get thrashed by a team that did not make semi finals.............proof enough for me

[MFKS]

Recruitment, what a laugh, it's kids football, who cares who wins, it's development, some parents shouldn't be anywhere near kids sport

FR Delivering the Haymakers as per usual:thumbsup:

[Why Blue]

FR Delivering the Haymakers as per usual:thumbsup:

:yeahright:

[The Northern Defender]

FR Delivering the Haymakers as per usual:thumbsup:

Beautiful stuff FR- I like you already. It was a tongue in cheek comment but unfortunately it does go on (even though they are kids and not playing A-League)

[Zico]

Beautiful stuff FR- I like you already. It was a tongue in cheek comment but unfortunately it does go on (even though they are kids and not playing A-League)
It's called scouting and goes on all around the world.

[Why Blue]

Recruitment, what a laugh, it's kids football, who cares who wins, it's development, some parents shouldn't be anywhere near kids sport

this is a bit of a cop out really, its easy to blame parents for everything !!!!! and yes some parents are golden...............no doubt
But the fact is whether we like it or not clubs chase kids. I'm not talking about one parent ringing another asking how johnny is enjoying xyz.......I'm talking about club officials, coaches etc making direct contact with me as a parent asking whether my son would be interested in playing for xyz......

It happens and to continue to look at parents as the issue is just stupid......................not landing hay-makers as some would like to see it.

It all goes hand in hand.................clubs stroke parental ego's along by calling and offering positions. Clubs approach under 12 development coaches to bring whole teams to their club, the crap that parents went on with last year when trials were being held for U/13's ...........my god, at U/12 those parents thought they were negotiating A League contracts ...............but all stroked along by clubs wanting coaches to bring whole teams.

As I have previously said, I don't really have an issue, clubs should want to have the strongest and best players in all grades/age divisions. Then a strong club naturally attracts stronger players so the club should stay strong.

But please don't just keep blaming parents....................ffs

[Bremsstrahlung]

Until you referee a junior game. Whether it be the old Rooball, 11G, 15A, or NPL Youth, you truly don't understand how ridiculous and over the top SOME parents go.

[The Northern Defender]

Well said Why Blue I agree with all your comments.
It is just a shame that some parents (and players) do get too caught up in believing that they are making it in the "big time" and it sometimes ends up in football becoming something that is no longer enjoyable for both.
NPL is primarily a development comp but obviously clubs want the players who develop the best wearing their shirt. Looking forward to the season ahead anyway.

[The Northern Defender]

Until you referee a junior game. Whether it be the old Rooball, 11G, 15A, or NPL Youth, you truly don't understand how ridiculous and over the top SOME parents go.

100% this is becoming a problem as referee numbers drop partially for this reason. Some people do need some perspective and to realise that it is kids sport and not a life or death battle!

[Why Blue]

Until you referee a junior game. Whether it be the old Rooball, 11G, 15A, or NPL Youth, you truly don't understand how ridiculous and over the top SOME parents go.

yep agree 100%.........i have witnessed some terrible parental behaviour, usually worse the lower the grades go and yes SOME parents are way over the top.............like the 15/A coach that blew up at club official because another 15/A team trains at grounds the same time as his team...........to quote " they could steal our tactics "........................seriously

[Why Blue]

NPL is primarily a development comp but obviously clubs want the players who develop the best wearing their shirt. Looking forward to the season ahead anyway.

Yes NPL Youth is a development comp, aimed at developing youth with a view to NPL senior comps, there is a coaching curriculum set down by FFA, this is supposed to be enforced by NNSWF.

Where it gets let down is by some clubs or coaches who adopt a win at all cost mentality. Last week in a trail game one team played 4-5-1 formation........obviously knowing they could not match the opposition so just trying to defend ( ala Stubbins )
Also in same game, same coach send out big 9 to match up against a much smaller 4............thats ok............but the 4 was playing his first game in nearly 12 months, returning from serious injury. The coach sent the 9 out to "hassle the little fella, run over him". He did, the 9 monstered the 4, caused him all sorts of problems, gave up a goal. The coach of the 4 left him out there.................why..............because " it's a trial game"
Thats right its a trial game, time to sort out positions, new players and even players returning from injury............now imagine if the coach hooked the 4 after the goal...............confidence gone.......shattered. But by leaving him out there the kid lifted, he built confidence, he worked out how to handle it.

NPL needs more coaching for development, not coaching to win !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Problem is................coaching to win keeps parents happy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ForeverRed]

Yes NPL Youth is a development comp, aimed at developing youth with a view to NPL senior comps, there is a coaching curriculum set down by FFA, this is supposed to be enforced by NNSWF.

Where it gets let down is by some clubs or coaches who adopt a win at all cost mentality. Last week in a trail game one team played 4-5-1 formation........obviously knowing they could not match the opposition so just trying to defend ( ala Stubbins )
Also in same game, same coach send out big 9 to match up against a much smaller 4............thats ok............but the 4 was playing his first game in nearly 12 months, returning from serious injury. The coach sent the 9 out to "hassle the little fella, run over him". He did, the 9 monstered the 4, caused him all sorts of problems, gave up a goal. The coach of the 4 left him out there.................why..............because " it's a trial game"
Thats right its a trial game, time to sort out positions, new players and even players returning from injury............now imagine if the coach hooked the 4 after the goal...............confidence gone.......shattered. But by leaving him out there the kid lifted, he built confidence, he worked out how to handle it.

NPL needs more coaching for development, not coaching to win !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Problem is................coaching to win keeps parents happy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spot on

[Footyhead]

Anyone know what Jim Foley's up to these days ?
Posting here as I expect he'd be with juniors somewhere, and apologies if has already been mentioned elsewhere.

[late_to_the_game]

Adamstown vs Southy on Sunday normal NPL youth game times. Not at normal Southy field, I think at Evans Park.

[ForeverRed]

Yes, Evans park

[The Magician]

Yes, Evans park

Newcastle Suns play Cardiff at Evans Park this Sunday (15th Feb) too... their first game is at 1:30pm. Has Evans got 2 fields?

[football_macigian23]

Newcastle Suns play Cardiff at Evans Park this Sunday (15th Feb) too... their first game is at 1:30pm. Has Evans got 2 fields?

Yep it surely does!

[prawnhead]

Adamstown vs Southy on Sunday normal NPL youth game times. Not at normal Southy field, I think at Evans Park.

What time are normal NPL kick off times?

[MFKS]

What time are normal NPL kick off times?

U13s - 9:00am
U14s - 10:15am
U15s - 11:30am
U17s - 12:45pm

That If I am not mistaken

[hamburgler]

U13s - 9:00am
U14s - 10:15am
U15s - 11:30am
U17s - 12:45pm

That If I am not mistaken

13s - 10.00
14s - 11.30
15s - 1.00
17s - 2.30

[sancho_theswan]

Well if that's true.... just wondering if anyone is waiting for MFKS to acknowledge a mistake.

[late_to_the_game]

Hamburgler is indeed correct. Sorry for the assumed knowledge.

[late_to_the_game]

Adamstown 15s 3-0 over Southy.
17s 1-1 draw, not a great game, but learned a lot...

[Wire Blew]

Any other results from weekend trials? I heard Magic lost 13s and 14s 3-0 to Mid North Coast but 15s reversed that score for a win all up at Taree. 17s I think had a draw. Also believe Emerging Jets 14s beat Edgeworth 14s 4-2, while Jets 15s went down to Sydney only to lose 6 - 0 to NSWF. Any updates would be appreciated.

[hamburgler]

Any other results from weekend trials? I heard Magic lost 13s and 14s 3-0 to Mid North Coast but 15s reversed that score for a win all up at Taree. 17s I think had a draw. Also believe Emerging Jets 14s beat Edgeworth 14s 4-2, while Jets 15s went down to Sydney only to lose 6 - 0 to NSWF. Any updates would be appreciated.

Not sure of exact scores, but Maitland v Edgeworth I was told

14s Edgie won 7-0
15s Edgie won 3-1
17s Maitland won 1-0

[Why Blue]

15 NPL
Rosebuds 3 vs Sth Cardiff 0
Weston 1 vs Olympic 1
Edgeworth 3 vs Maitland 1

Magic 5 vs Mid North Coast 0

CCB 5 vs Wallsend 17's 1

looks interesting so far

Weston two draws against last years 1+2 finishers...........

Magic will be tough

[The Northern Defender]

Any other results from weekend trials? I heard Magic lost 13s and 14s 3-0 to Mid North Coast but 15s reversed that score for a win all up at Taree. 17s I think had a draw. Also believe Emerging Jets 14s beat Edgeworth 14s 4-2, while Jets 15s went down to Sydney only to lose 6 - 0 to NSWF. Any updates would be appreciated.

Can confirm that Magic v FMNC 17's had a 2 all draw.

[late_to_the_game]

Adamstown vs Weston
Adamstown won 13's and 14's not sure of the score.
15's Adamstown led 2-0, lost 3-2
17's Adamstown led 2-0, lost 4-2.
I can feel some fitness work coming on for the Adamstown older teams.....

[italian stallion]

Olympic 17s 3 (with some 17s that are in the 19s squad) cooks hill 19s 1

[ForeverRed]

Gunners v Azzurri
13s 1 all
14s 4.1
15s 1.4
17s 1.3

[Why Blue]

Gunners v Azzurri
13s 1 all
14s 4.1
15s 1.4
17s 1.3

Sorry FR not sure were you get your info but U/15's was 5-0

that said, your U/15's were a big improvement over last year. Were much better in defence, put some nice passes together in the mid
and new keeper was outstanding. I know you have some new troops and they have made a difference but team looked more organised and better structured than last year. So good work and hope you guys continue to improve

[Why Blue]

Any other NPL Youth results?
I heard Maitland vs Magic games off, only 12A and 13NPL played.
Magic 12A 5-0 win
Magic 13NPL 10-0 win

can you confirm MT that Maitland had to withdraw from older age group trials, 14's, 15's & 17's due to lack of numbers, I was told high number of injuries ????

[Beast]

didn't Maitland play Valo on the weekend? I know 17s and 19s did, not sure about the younger age groups.

[Beast]

2nd hand results
Maitland 4-0 Valo
Maitland 1-0 Valo.

[Wild Brew]

Sth Cardiff looked good against Charlestown 15s on the weekend,especially early in the match. Should be a threat this season.

[hamburgler]

Sth Cardiff looked good against Charlestown 15s on the weekend,especially early in the match. Should be a threat this season.

Seems like most clubs have strengthened in most age groups, as would be expected.

I expect a closer comp in all grades, perhaps with the exception of Maitland, who look to be a little light on in 13s and 14s

[Why Blue]

Sth Cardiff looked good against Charlestown 15s on the weekend,especially early in the match. Should be a threat this season.

gone off early.............a threat........well its good to be confident. As I said southy were a lot better than last year..............a LOT better. Keeper makes a big difference. But it was only a trial and lots of things will change throughout the season.

Im still thinking Southy 15's wont be in semi final contention.

[Y Bloo?]

Might be a bit early to expect much from Sth Cardiff 15s or any other grade. Charlestown, however, look like they might be below the form they showed at the end of last year. But obviously still early.
Tips for this season!
Emerging Jets to be in the mix in younger ages but really struggle in 15s and 17s. Magic and Olympic to battle out the 15s. Sth Cardiff and Jaffas to be big improvers across the board. Maitland to struggle.

[Why Blue]

Might be a bit early to expect much from Sth Cardiff 15s or any other grade. Charlestown, however, look like they might be below the form they showed at the end of last year. But obviously still early.
Tips for this season!
Emerging Jets to be in the mix in younger ages but really struggle in 15s and 17s. Magic and Olympic to battle out the 15s. Sth Cardiff and Jaffas to be big improvers across the board. Maitland to struggle.

its a bit early to read to much into any thing, I know at CCB 15's 6 new players and trials are very much about working out where those 6 new players best fit into team dynamics. From what I have seen, which is limited Weston seem to be big improver's. As always Olympic and Magic will be strong.
EJ's in lowers ages are certainly more technically advanced so look forward to that transposing into game play ( although it is about development)

Interested in how Jaffa's are progressing, why do you see them as big improvers ???

[Why Blue]

Maitland last, Jaffas 2nd last, Sthy 3rd last- in all grades except Sthy in 17's
Why Blue- hasnt CCB 15's got the super coach? if so , even with 14 new players and it wouldnt be a concern! or is it?


No need for concern MT, just saying that trials have been used as that............trial to see where and how new players fit. Dont worry CCB 15 will be ok.

That said I am expecting teams like magic and weston to be big improver's, Southy have already shown they have improved, word from Buds is that they expect semi finals no less, I'm sure Olympic still believe they will dominate again

So great .........should be a great comp

[ForeverRed]

So wrong, no one priority is development, progressing kids into top 3 senior grades is the achievement, keep your trophies to yourself

[Footyhead]

So wrong, no one priority is development, progressing kids into top 3 senior grades is the achievement, keep your trophies to yourself

You make absolutely no sense FR. Tell the kids, coaches, club it's just for development and top 4 is not a priority. Winning mentality is development. Results is development. Top 4 is development. Allow the kids to strive for success and enjoy the rewards. If you don't think the trophy's important, don't play. Success sets up well for progressing to the senior grades. Anything less and you're kidding yourself.

[Why Blue]

I kinda agree with both of you.

FR 100% development is No1 priority. Good coaching, playing with players that push your own ability, as i said earlier I can see significant improvement in Southy 15s already and coach's instruction from bench was clear and precise with direction,was impressed. I would expect continued improvement thru the year.

And MT i agree a club should be looking to secure talented youth and competitive teams in every age group with a view to these kids developing into senior players. Provide excellent coaching, strong players that push each other to be better, strong club culture with a view to moving into seniors.

It is all about developing players for senior grades, hopefully at youth club...............

[monz6]

The belief that youth is not about winning, but all about development is strange. Obviously the main focus is on development, but winning needs to be a close 2nd goal... Surely we don't want our Newcastle youth progressing into sides that only win 1 from 18 but think its ok cause the coach tells them they played well? cough cough

[Sacre Bleu]

Play well, develop skills, the winning is a natural progression. Respect for the game and opposition, as MT mentioned, is also very important. I believe the quality of the NPL youth teams is improving and will only get better over the coming years, however they do need to get even better competition by playing some of the Sydney sides whenever possible.
As for this season, I expect some surprises but also strong showings from the likes of E Jets, Olympic Magic. The 6 new recruits for Charlestown 15s should give them more depth but Magic, having picked up 2 quality players from last years Emerging Jets program will be the biggest improver and Olympics biggest threat.

[Why Blue]

Magic, having picked up 2 quality players from last years Emerging Jets program will be the biggest improver .

why only 2 quality players ??? i count 3 ............who are you leaving out ???

[Sacre Bleu]

I heard only 2 were in last years program? A midfielder and a back. Both apparently very strong players from all accounts.

[Why Blue]

I heard only 2 were in last years program? A midfielder and a back. Both apparently very strong players from all accounts.

and a third that went to nationals and has been in the program for a number of years but missed last year whilst playing in the UK, pretty handy pick up

All three are great players, this is why i have been saying for a while now that magic will be the yard stick this year..........three strong adds to last years 3rd place finishers.

[Wire Blew]

I heard Joel Griffiths as well but he only made the 15As not NPL side.

[Wild Brew]

Keep it serious guys. Kids want to have fun but in the NPL teams both winning and developing as players is the only objective.

[hamburgler]

Keep it serious guys. Kids want to have fun but in the NPL teams both winning and developing as players is the only objective.

Saw many NPL Youth games last year where coaches took a win at all costs approach. Some players getting full games, other regularly getting less than half a game. Development is very much secondary to results!

[Why Blue]

Saw many NPL Youth games last year where coaches took a win at all costs approach. Some players getting full games, other regularly getting less than half a game. Development is very much secondary to results!

Interesting comments, expand further on the full game half game theory ???? might there be a reason ???

Is the player injured, did he miss training, did he not put in at training, perhaps other issues,

Also yes some coaches throw out curriculum to win....................but many players/parents are happy with this

If they are not there are still coaches who follow curriculum and can still win.................may be these teams are better options

[Doggydingo]

Saw many NPL Youth games last year where coaches took a win at all costs approach. Some players getting full games, other regularly getting less than half a game. Development is very much secondary to results!

The EJ are real good at that!

[hamburgler]

Doggydingo;The EJ are real good at that!
Double D
EJ good at what?

I can't speak for Double D, but I have heard from EJ parents and seen games where the 'favoured' players get every minute, and the not so favoured players get very small minutes. Maybe that's one of the reasons EJ has such a high turnover of players annually

[Footyhead]

I can't speak for Double D, but I have heard from EJ parents and seen games where the 'favoured' players get every minute, and the not so favoured players get very small minutes. Maybe that's one of the reasons EJ has such a high turnover of players annually

Also cos the EJ management treat the kids like shit and think of themselves as King Shit despite their poor results... this NOT from a jealous parent with Little Johnny in the EJ or formerly in the EJ.

[Quare Caeruleum]

The concept of the Emerging Jets is sound, however, many factors have led to it falling short of it's goals. Firstly the quality of coaching, apart from a few exceptions, is poor. This along with some constant changing of coaches for some teams has hampered their development.
Added to this is some questionable player selections, although that will always be a debatable and hard to get right.
Another problem is parental involment. The competition to promote one child ahead of their teammates is far worse with the EJ's.
Perhaps some of the money used to pay salaries of administrators, starting from the top, could be better used on quality coaching.

[seldom]

The concept of the Emerging Jets is sound, however, many factors have led to it falling short of it's goals. Firstly the quality of coaching, apart from a few exceptions, is poor. This along with some constant changing of coaches for some teams has hampered their development.
Added to this is some questionable player selections, although that will always be a debatable and hard to get right.
Another problem is parental involment. The competition to promote one child ahead of their teammates is far worse with the EJ's.
Perhaps some of the money used to pay salaries of administrators, starting from the top, could be better used on quality coaching.

Nah they don't want quality coaches...they want "YES men" who can recite the curriculum. You call your LB a LB instead of your number 5, shows you can't coach apparently. There's a couple there who can coach but how about recruiting some coaches who've proven themselves results wise and player management wise and who have an idea what to do in situations not covered in the "curriculum"............End rant..............

[LongSufferingFan]

So are the Olympic Youth awesome or did Jaffas recruit their Youth from last years Southy's teams?

[Why Blue]

So are the Olympic Youth awesome or did Jaffas recruit their Youth from last years Southy's teams?

I suppose we will find out the answer to that in the upcoming weeks !!!!!

One things seems certain, Olympic 15's despite having lost last seasons striker to EJ's seem to have plenty of gaol scoring ability !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ForeverRed]

So are the Olympic Youth awesome or did Jaffas recruit their Youth from last years Southy's teams?
This sort of comment on a kids forum is childish to say the least, besides, gunners were quite happy to hang on to there kids and develope them over time, unlike some

[late_to_the_game]

Rumors are that the Youth NPL is a very low club priority at Jaffas.

[Quare Caeruleum]

Jaffas and Southy to surprise us all and be competitive despite the weekends results. You heard it here first.

[LongSufferingFan]

Rumors are that the Youth NPL is a very low club priority at Jaffas.

This is exactly my point.

No disrespect meant to Southy FR but their lower age NPL teams were not up to sufficient standard last year which was no good for the NPL, Southy or the players involved.
If the club is developing these players then that is fantastic and I hope to see better results this year - from all reports the trials to date have been positive.
I am aware that Southy have also recruited some Youth players this year from other clubs which will help them be competitive.
This is what the Youth NPL should be about - player development. Go Southy!

My issue is with Jaffas.
If they can spend a fortune recruiting big name players such as Bridges then surely their Youth Development should be easy to promote.
What Junior wouldn't want to play at a club with such big names?
If Jaffas have invested just a little into their Youth coaching and development then they should have the best Youth teams running around.
For such a successful and cashed up senior club their Youth NPL results last year were underwhelming and the trial results seem to indicate nothing has changed.

Hope I am wrong - these are just trials after all - but the Jaffas Youth should be targeting top 4 in each age group if they are serious about player development.

[Why Blue]

This is exactly my point.

No disrespect meant to Southy FR but their lower age NPL teams were not up to sufficient standard last year which was no good for the NPL, Southy or the players involved.
If the club is developing these players then that is fantastic and I hope to see better results this year - from all reports the trials to date have been positive.
I am aware that Southy have also recruited some Youth players this year from other clubs which will help them be competitive.
This is what the Youth NPL should be about - player development. Go Southy!

My issue is with Jaffas.
If they can spend a fortune recruiting big name players such as Bridges then surely their Youth Development should be easy to promote.
What Junior wouldn't want to play at a club with such big names?
If Jaffas have invested just a little into their Youth coaching and development then they should have the best Youth teams running around.
For such a successful and cashed up senior club their Youth NPL results last year were underwhelming and the trial results seem to indicate nothing has changed.

Hope I am wrong - these are just trials after all - but the Jaffas Youth should be targeting top 4 in each age group if they are serious about player development.

from the outside it appears that Jaffa's pay NPL Youth lip service.
It seems as though their strategy is win 1st grade and the youth will be lining up to play here.................well they won 1st grade 2014 and it appears that not many kids lined up to play

Maybe a rethink is required if they really want to develop youth.................or just keep paying big bucks for 1st graders and keep winning.............seems to work

[GO AWAY]

This sort of comment on a kids forum is childish to say the least, besides, gunners were quite happy to hang on to there kids and develope them over time, unlike some

Did i notice a fair few of these kids you were / are developing playing for Mr Baker at Valo 19s fr ???

[ForeverRed]

Did i notice a fair few of these kids you were / are developing playing for Mr Baker at Valo 19s fr ???
Only the ring ins from scum coasties

[Tonester]

Only the ring ins from scum coasties

Bit harsh,Coasties will do!

[late_to_the_game]

Only the ring ins from scum coasties

Didn't know the three Valo boys who returned to their previous club (may be more) were coastie scum....

[Tonester]

I coached Rep football for 10 years on the Coast & in that time we had many Newcastle boys & girls play for us.They saw it as an opportunity to play at a higher level than was available to them at home.They were always made welcome & they always fitted in,never did I hear a complaint about them taking a local players spot.I had a son play under Jim Foley when he brought 8 boys to our side,not a problem.Please don't criticise people looking for opportunity in Newy,they won't get it with the Mariners,that's a given!

[ForeverRed]

Settle down it was only a joke

[GO AWAY]

Seems to be the go now, i know years ago Lake Macquarie and Azzuri took on the two Macquarie rep sides, while Olympic and Magic took on the two Newcastle rep sides, shock horror it was them four in the semis, with Lakes eventually winning it. If you dont look outside your junior square and get the rep players early its hard to compete. Iknow Kahibah has done it this year, where they have taken on the whole of the open team from Central Coast ISF links with Andre Gumprecht obviously involved to play U19 Newfm.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Coasties get called scum in every other thread on this forum ffs.
You lot wanna talk about NPL Youth tactics, and club transfers, player movements and top 4 like they are adults, they can cop the banter as well.

[ForeverRed]

Seems to be the go now, i know years ago Lake Macquarie and Azzuri took on the two Macquarie rep sides, while Olympic and Magic took on the two Newcastle rep sides, shock horror it was them four in the semis, with Lakes eventually winning it. If you dont look outside your junior square and get the rep players early its hard to compete. Iknow Kahibah has done it this year, where they have taken on the whole of the open team from Central Coast ISF links with Andre Gumprecht obviously involved to play U19 Newfm.
And these kids were told to play for kahibah or they will be refused game time at the school, gunners had 3 kids who left because of this threat

[Why Blue]

And these kids were told to play for kahibah or they will be refused game time at the school, gunners had 3 kids who left because of this threat

yep, I too know of kids who go to the IFS school that were told to play at kahibah and subsequently with drew from NPL youth comp. But i do know of one who didn't and stayed at his NPL club, nice to see some parents standing up for their kids, but time will tell how it effects his time at the school.