2015 NPL Youth

[Why Blue]

I think in reality no one wants to wait till October for position, not the player not the club or even the parent, precious or not

And with more people not seeing the EJ's as a viable alternative, if chosen then it is best to get into a good strong club and lock it in !!!!!

If clubs were serious about trials then they wouldn't have them all in the same night , they would let kids go to a few different trials and see what they thought .........

Reality all done .....I just checked my correspondence and was settled,done and dusted before semi finals !!!!
With no $$$$ changing hands !!!!

[football_macigian23]

I would suggest so !!!!!

He who hesitates is lost !!!

I believe a few magic boys going to maitland or so I heard
All will be revealed next week

I have heard a couple going to Maitland but I have heard 8+ players leaving the Magic 15s from this season!

[Why Blue]

I have heard a couple going to Maitland but I have heard 8+ players leaving the Magic 15s from this season!

Yep have heard similar, couple to Maitland and rest as a package to a new club wearing orange ????

Will all be sorted soon

[mother theresa]

Yep have heard similar, couple to Maitland and rest as a package to a new club wearing orange ????

Will all be sorted soon

Kotara?

[mother theresa]

I have heard a couple going to Maitland but I have heard 8+ players leaving the Magic 15s from this season!

really!
why are they moving on?

[hamburgler]

really!
why are they moving on?

I heard coach had 4-5 favourites who consumed most of his time, the rest made up the numbers and were treated poorly.

[Doggydingo]

The Coach, and yes he had favourites that could do no wrong regardless of how poorly they played. They got to play their preferred positions, and got full games.

[Why Blue]

Kotara?

You are a funny man
Need more from MT

[Why Blue]

really!
why are they moving on?

Yep
Parents pulled ultimation ..... coach goes or we go

Next year will be interesting !!!!!

[hamburgler]

Yep
Parents pulled ultimation ..... coach goes or we go

Next year will be interesting !!!!!

Will be a very different looking Magic side

[Doggydingo]

Why blue you got no idea on what went on

[Sacre Bleu]

Yep have heard similar, couple to Maitland and rest as a package to a new club wearing orange ????

Will all be sorted soon
Heard 3 are trialing at Olympic as well as some at Maitland and Valo.

[mother theresa]

Heard 3 are trialing at Olympic as well as some at Maitland and Valo.


Nothing to worry about!
Recruiting the big gunners ! lol:roflz::roflz:

[prawnhead]

Why blue you got no idea on what went on

That can't be true - not Why Blue. He is across most things to do with young boys football. Your mail is wrong Doggy. It has to be.

[Why Blue]

Why blue you got no idea on what went on

Mate from a couple if discussions I have had it seems that the last third of the season was pretty ordinary
But also have spoken with one that had no issues and will be staying, also I know of two that are happy to go there under the coach
So everyone is different and see different things

[Wild Brew]

So Why, would you send Baby Blue to Magic with this coach?

[GO AWAY]

I dont think there is a wrong way or a right way to go, all abit of a gamble, for example :

CCB U15 2013 Grand Final Winners

Four kids as examples :

Exhibit a/ Leaves a Grand final winning side in 2013 to go to the glitz and glamour that is magic ........ currently in 2015 still in U17 at Magic ( next year who knows )
Exhibit b/ Leaves a Grand final winning side in 2013 to go to the glitz and glamour that is magic......... currently in 2015 playing first grade Kahibah ( next year knocking back a NPL seniors gig to stay playing "first grade Newfm )
exhibit c / Stays at club he won GF with, plays U17 in 2014, then progresses to U19 this year and gets offered a NPL seniors contract with same club for 2016 knocking back first grade at three New FM clubs.
Exhibit d / Stays at club he won GF with, plays U17 in 2014 then finds women, surfing and work commitments and doesnt play ...

All kids are at the moment only 17

Point is, who knows where kids are going to go, mostly influenced by parents thinking little johnny is ronaldo, the paths will cross, some will stay loyal to their club, some will trophy hunt, some will "think " they are going because they are really that good ......

[Doggydingo]

Why where these super stars not in Emerging Jets program? Is it because they are not good enough? They are given these false pretences that they are superstars and how important it is to play under 19's at age (as young as possible) just so some parents and players (mainly parents) can boast.

[GO AWAY]

Why where these super stars not in Emerging Jets program? Is it because they are not good enough? They are given these false pretences that they are superstars and how important it is to play under 19's at age (as young as possible) just so some parents and players (mainly parents) can boast.

Newsflash, some kids in the emerging jets program are not the best in the town. Some are, some aint. Not saying any of the above four examples should be in ejets, just saying , just because they are in the jets, doesnt make them the best that should have been selected.

[ForeverRed]

I dont think there is a wrong way or a right way to go, all abit of a gamble, for example :

CCB U15 2013 Grand Final Winners

Four kids as examples :

Exhibit a/ Leaves a Grand final winning side in 2013 to go to the glitz and glamour that is magic ........ currently in 2015 still in U17 at Magic ( next year who knows )
Exhibit b/ Leaves a Grand final winning side in 2013 to go to the glitz and glamour that is magic......... currently in 2015 playing first grade Kahibah ( next year knocking back a NPL seniors gig to stay playing "first grade Newfm )
exhibit c / Stays at club he won GF with, plays U17 in 2014, then progresses to U19 this year and gets offered a NPL seniors contract with same club for 2016 knocking back first grade at three New FM clubs.
Exhibit d / Stays at club he won GF with, plays U17 in 2014 then finds women, surfing and work commitments and doesnt play ...

All kids are at the moment only 17

Point is, who knows where kids are going to go, mostly influenced by parents thinking little johnny is ronaldo, the paths will cross, some will stay loyal to their club, some will trophy hunt, some will "think " they are going because they are really that good ......
I'd sign exhibit D and if his missus is a good sort he can be captain

[380]

I dont think there is a wrong way or a right way to go, all abit of a gamble, for example :

CCB U15 2013 Grand Final Winners


All kids are at the moment only 17

Point is, who knows where kids are going to go, mostly influenced by parents thinking little johnny is ronaldo, the paths will cross, some will stay loyal to their club, some will trophy hunt, some will "think " they are going because they are really that good ......


This totally sums up for me the better part of this entire thread.

[380]

CCB U15 2013 Grand Final Winners


All kids are at the moment only 17

Point is, who knows where kids are going to go, mostly influenced by parents thinking little johnny is ronaldo, the paths will cross, some will stay loyal to their club, some will trophy hunt, some will "think " they are going because they are really that good ......


This totally sums up for me the better part of this entire thread.

[Why Blue]

So Why, would you send Baby Blue to Magic with this coach?

Short answer ....not a decision bb had to make
He did think about magic
But is happy with his decision

[early_to_the_match]

Short answer ....not a decision bb had to make
He did think about magic
But is happy with his decision
Sounds like a few people are happy they only thought about magic and didn't end up there. So where will bb be plying his trade next year? Will he be playing 17s or 19s?

[Why Blue]

Sounds like a few people are happy they only thought about magic and didn't end up there. So where will bb be plying his trade next year? Will he be playing 17s or 19s?

Don't know till after trials .........😄😄

[big jim]

Hey Why man. How come so many of this years U15's trailing at magic for 2016 17's ?

Thought winners would stay together

[big jim]

Good to see a couple of this years U15's make the Weston 2016 U19 squad
Couple if good young players and good to see the club giving them a go

[early_to_the_match]

Hey Why man. How come so many of this years U15's trailing at magic for 2016 17's ?

Thought winners would stay together
Apparently it's the only club with places available. Most of Magic 15s and 14s left.

[Why Blue]

Hey Why man. How come so many of this years U15's trailing at magic for 2016 17's ?

Thought winners would stay together

Maybe a few reasons, coach moved on, club not really performing well ????

Good to see some kids already "selected" at EJ's trialling at clubs. Hopefully patents are starting to see that a good strong club is a worthwhile option

[Why Blue]

Good to see a couple of this years U15's make the Weston 2016 U19 squad
Couple if good young players and good to see the club giving them a go

Nice to see, give them a go, was a couple of really good players in Weston 15's this year
Good luck to them

[Why Blue]

Hey Why man. How come so many of this years U15's trailing at magic for 2016 17's ?

Thought winners would stay together

Further to this it appears that none of the CCB boys were successful with many/most existing magic boys coming back ??? Confirmation anyone ???

[Wild Brew]

Further to this it appears that none of the CCB boys were successful with many/most existing magic boys coming back ??? Confirmation anyone ???
Last season Magic 14s apparently only 5 or 6 backing up for next years 15s. Next seasons 17s for Magic had 7 of this years 15s try out. Some of those trialed with other clubs as well, 9 never returned at all. Some only backing up with belief they will be playing 19s, time will tell. Others staying with hope/expectation they can get game time next year.

[Why Blue]

Last season Magic 14s apparently only 5 or 6 backing up for next years 15s. Next seasons 17s for Magic had 7 of this years 15s try out. Some of those trialed with other clubs as well, 9 never returned at all. Some only backing up with belief they will be playing 19s, time will tell. Others staying with hope/expectation they can get game time next year.

Thanks for info
Nine coming back is probs more than expected ??
One CCB that trailed for 17's was this years 15's player of the year and he missed out so some quality must have stayed
Surely none are staying on the hope of 19's ??? They would know ?? And have alternate lined up ???

[Wild Brew]

Heard not all CCB players trying out bothered to commit in the end, but selections probably not the coaches strong point. Only 2 of last years 17s stayed back, both disrupted by long term injuries.

[Why Blue]

Heard not all CCB players trying out bothered to commit in the end, but selections probably not the coaches strong point. Only 2 of last years 17s stayed back, both disrupted by long term injuries.

I know one CCB wanted to go there, schoolmates with a magic player

We're did all the 17's go ?? I thought that most of those were able to play 17's again 2016 ??? Maybe off to team orange to reform under the super coach from younger years ???

[Wild Brew]

All others didn't try out for 17s. Saw the writing.

[big jim]

So all done ?

See some clubs, Weston, Edgeworth, Maitland have posted squads on their sites, any others ?

Does any one know of any of this years 15's making the jump to 19's besides Weston boys ?
Like to see clubs giving them a go

[big jim]

Also see the EJ squads announced

Not a lot of change so either they have the best or are not looking

Disappointing that in 15's ( next years 16's) only one kid added, so no other kid is deserving a chance

Don't agree for mine there were quite a few who deserve a chance especially given, some of current squad are all out of ability

Some must agree with me as they are giving these kids a go in their 19 squads,

Can't see what you don't want too

[Local Rules]

Also see the EJ squads announced

Not a lot of change so either they have the best or are not looking

Disappointing that in 15's ( next years 16's) only one kid added, so no other kid is deserving a chance

Don't agree for mine there were quite a few who deserve a chance especially given, some of current squad are all out of ability

Some must agree with me as they are giving these kids a go in their 19 squads,

Can't see what you don't want too

It is no different in any sport. It is harder to get into the squad then out of it. You only have to see the number of times players are recycled back in when they have been rejected to see the mentality. I agree there must be kids who are of better ability across the grades and until we have a system that rewards the kids and treats the Emerging Jets as an extra to the club development then this will always be the case.

[Why Blue]

Also see the EJ squads announced

Not a lot of change so either they have the best or are not looking

Disappointing that in 15's ( next years 16's) only one kid added, so no other kid is deserving a chance

Don't agree for mine there were quite a few who deserve a chance especially given, some of current squad are all out of ability

Some must agree with me as they are giving these kids a go in their 19 squads,

Can't see what you don't want too

Mate don't knock yourself out.......
Probably lots of kids that deserve a chance, might not be better now but would or could they be if given a chance ????

Obviously EJ's have little respect for what comes out of NPL youth ?? If the quality of kids coming out of NPL Yourh isn't up to std then NNSWF should do something to improve it, not persist with this elite program

Or as you say they are just blindsided??? Remember to bring kids from outside the program is admitting they may have got it wrong ........to keep all kids means they got it right !!!!!

[Why Blue]

until we have a system that rewards the kids and treats the Emerging Jets as an extra to the club development then this will always be the case.

Here here !!!!!!!!

[Goatscheese]

It is no different in any sport. It is harder to get into the squad then out of it. You only have to see the number of times players are recycled back in when they have been rejected to see the mentality. I agree there must be kids who are of better ability across the grades and until we have a system that rewards the kids and treats the Emerging Jets as an extra to the club development then this will always be the case.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these better kids aren't interested in putting in all that extra commitment into training and/or the parents don't want to pay the larger fees. Even trailing costs a lot of money.

[Why Blue]

Did anyone else get their NNSWF NPL survey this afternoon ?????

Not really asking the hard questions, mainly on coaching

[Wild Brew]

Did anyone else get their NNSWF NPL survey this afternoon ?????

Not really asking the hard questions, mainly on coaching
At least they recognize the biggest problem.

[GO AWAY]

Also see the EJ squads announced

Not a lot of change so either they have the best or are not looking

Disappointing that in 15's ( next years 16's) only one kid added, so no other kid is deserving a chance

Don't agree for mine there were quite a few who deserve a chance especially given, some of current squad are all out of ability

Some must agree with me as they are giving these kids a go in their 19 squads,

Can't see what you don't want too

They dont look, they know the kids in the squads already, means the parents will fork out the silly amounts of money year in year out.

Coaching is just as good around the NPL clubs if not better on some terms.

EJ selectors dont like admitting they are wrong, hence, the loads of existing EJ players already picked.

You still have the problem of coaches sons, coaches mates sons getting picked over more talented kids, how this can happen in elite programs is beyond me.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, out of all the kids, and out of all the parents that think Little Johnny is the next ronaldo, when they get to old for EJ there is nowhere to go because the jets will be buying the Birrighittis, Leonardos, Carneys, Trifunovics and so on

[big jim]

Why do we believe the EJ program to be elite anyway, just heard of one kid dropped ? From 2015 U/16 squad who couldn't get a start in 2016 U/19 NPL
Ending up at an endangered NPL clubs U/17 squad
Given that EJ under 16 play NPL U19 that is effectivly a step backwards for this kid who had been in the program for a number of years
Wouldn't most of us thought any kid coming out of EJ would be higher level ?
Would like to see a few more of these kids leave the "elite" and come and test themselves in the real world, might open a few eyes


Also as we know some of this years U15 kids have been promoted to U19 so are they higher std than EJ kids ?

[late_to_the_game]

Ending up at an endangered NPL clubs U/17 squad
Love to know which club you think is "endangered"!

[mother theresa]

Why do we believe the EJ program to be elite anyway, just heard of one kid dropped ? From 2015 U/16 squad who couldn't get a start in 2016 U/19 NPL
Ending up at an endangered NPL clubs U/17 squad
Given that EJ under 16 play NPL U19 that is effectivly a step backwards for this kid who had been in the program for a number of years
Wouldn't most of us thought any kid coming out of EJ would be higher level ?
Would like to see a few more of these kids leave the "elite" and come and test themselves in the real world, might open a few eyes


Also as we know some of this years U15 kids have been promoted to U19 so are they higher std than EJ kids ?

thats gold Big Jim and so true!
maybe requesting refunds for all the broken dreams and promises.:sparring:

[big jim]

Mother man, just passing on the facts
And this fact shows that maybe not all the "elite" are deserving of the title, bet there are others as well

No refunds though, NNSWF don't refund for stupidity

[Wild Brew]

Ending up at an endangered NPL clubs U/17 squad
Love to know which club you think is "endangered"!
Best ask Why Blue. Probably why BB left.

[GO AWAY]

Best ask Why Blue. Probably why BB left.

Far from endangered

[Why Blue]

Best ask Why Blue. Probably why BB left.

Spot on the 💰💰 best to establish yourself in a strong club

On the EJ discussion, 17's & 19's is were it all starts, what happens prior is a almost irrelevant. Kids change, their expectations change, their abilities change their bodies and mentalities change.
After watching U19 trialist's last week I think our local game is in good shape, some pretty good kids running around and if these kids continue to develop I think 1st grade will be ok for a while. NPL youth starting to show dividends

[ForeverRed]

Those dividends are not apparent in the national title results, nnswf always finished in the top 4 if not higher until all this elite stuff started happening.

[Why Blue]

Dividends I talk about are in NPL

Wrong kids in elite, results reflect that

[MFKS]

Those dividends are not apparent in the national title results, nnswf always finished in the top 4 if not higher until all this elite stuff started happening.
I think we are all in agreement the elite stuff is just glorified bullshit to drag money out of parents.

There are plenty of kids at other NPL clubs who should be getting a look into the EJ but aren't

Whilst people are charged for the EJ we are going nowhere. It needs to be free and a position earned on merit. Not a case of whether mum and dad can afford or not.

I know of one parent who had to say no to his son doing something as the cost was large and parent couldn't afford it.

[Why Blue]

I think we are all in agreement the elite stuff is just glorified bullshit to drag money out of parents.

There are plenty of kids at other NPL clubs who should be getting a look into the EJ but aren't

Whilst people are charged for the EJ we are going nowhere. It needs to be free and a position earned on merit. Not a case of whether mum and dad can afford or not.

I know of one parent who had to say no to his son doing something as the cost was large and parent couldn't afford it.

100%
Hence lack of change to squads, keep the existing patents who pay and don't question

As I have said before, if your child has not been identified within EJ's and put forward to higher program's ie AIS or jets youth then you are just making up numbers !!!!!!

[hamburgler]

Ending up at an endangered NPL clubs U/17 squad
Love to know which club you think is "endangered"!

Agreed - very early days to be making relegation predictions!

[Bremsstrahlung]

EJ is virtually another NPL club as it is.
The difference is that they have "better" (on paper) coaches, access to better facilities than most, they play against older opposition (one could argue that this aids their development) and when they appear on future reality TV shows can say they played for the Newcastle Jets in the A-League.
It is the same in the fact that decision re: playing personnel are not strictly based on skill/ability/prospect.
NPL clubs pick and choose, and bring in John Smith because his dad is mates with the coach, or Johnny has 4 mates at Magic who are pretty good and wanna play together.
The EJ program is not the best/elite players.
I think the Program has merit (playing in the NPL Youth) up until about 15-16 (Similar to the old Macquarie, Newcastle Port Stevens and Hunter Valley teams did. The program should aim to increase technical ability and knowledge of tactics, formations and fitness components.

After this, i think they should either go to NPL clubs (U/18s imo, 22s, 1sts) or back into the NPL Youth system to other clubs.

It would then be nice to have the best performing u21 (or whatever the age limit is now) players in the NPL, be selected into the Newcastle Jets NYL team and train with the first team/play in the new competition over the summer.

[big jim]

Agreed - very early days to be making relegation predictions!

Relegation, your trying to make me laugh aren't ya

[hamburgler]

Relegation, your trying to make me laugh aren't ya

I'm not a comedian jim, just wondering who was being touted as relegation likely so early on!

[late_to_the_game]

I think 1st grade will be ok for a while. NPL youth starting to show dividends

Agree with you WB. The technical standard of players is improving without a doubt. Next years crop of U17s are perhaps the leading edge, having been in the NPL system for 2 years. The following year will see the initial U14's moving into 17s (and possibly 19s) after 3 years, they will really push things along.

[seldom]

The difference is that they have "better" (on paper) coaches.

"on paper"....good reference....see these blokes get out coached on a weekly basis....but I suppose they can flog on about the curriculum like no other.

[big jim]

I'm not a comedian jim, just wondering who was being touted as relegation likely so early on!

Sorry hamburger man not looking to offend CCB people but logically with Southey gone CCB are now bottom, so logically that puts them in dangerous territory
I have nothing against CCB, just the way I see it
Personally I think relegation of youth is just plain stupid

[hamburgler]

Sorry hamburger man not looking to offend CCB people but logically with Southey gone CCB are now bottom, so logically that puts them in dangerous territory
I have nothing against CCB, just the way I see it
Personally I think relegation of youth is just plain stupid

Not offended, with squads not finalised and the season months away, I think predicting relegation favourites is risky. Yes they are some more likely than others, but we have all seen Magic just escape relegation in the last couple of rounds of 2014, no-one would have tipped that at the start of the year.

And agreed on the youth relegation comment - it is stupid.

And BTW I have nothing to do with any club, and have no connection to CCB, I don't care if they get relegated or not!

[football_macigian23]

Has anyone else heard for rumours that there was only 6 or 7 players trial at Magic 15's on the weekend?? Apparently players don't want to play under Jimmy Cresna?

[hamburgler]

Has anyone else heard for rumours that there was only 6 or 7 players trial at Magic 15's on the weekend?? Apparently players don't want to play under Jimmy Cresna?

I had heard that, not sure if true though.

[football_macigian23]

I was told 7 players for Magic 15's were at Valo tonight trialing so could be true

[Goatscheese]

"on paper"....good reference....see these blokes get out coached on a weekly basis....but I suppose they can flog on about the curriculum like no other.

Following the curriculum and teaching their players that and only that is what they are told to do or face reprimand.

[hamburgler]

Following the curriculum and teaching their players that and only that is what they are told to do or face reprimand.

E.Jets do not always get coached to play the curriculum. I personally witnessed two coaches this year instruct the keeper to go route 1 with a ball kicked over half way for the speedy 9 to run onto. Happened several times in both games. Not saying I mind that, but pretty sure that's not part of the curriculum

[Why Blue]

Following the curriculum and teaching their players that and only that is what they are told to do or face reprimand.

awwww that's so sweet GC.........did you find those pixie's at the end of the garden ????

Hamburger is living closer to the real world !!!!

[Why Blue]

Has anyone else heard for rumours that there was only 6 or 7 players trial at Magic 15's on the weekend?? Apparently players don't want to play under Jimmy Cresna?

Pretty smart them young one's hey

I mean seriously who would !!!!!!

[Why Blue]

Didn't know Cresner had moved on.....knew he had a massive blow up with one EJ coach over a non selection issue with this years U14 NNSWF national champs team

Maybe EJ coaching is improving !!!!!!!

[big jim]

Pretty smart them young one's hey

I mean seriously who would !!!!!!

Not a fan blue man ?

[big jim]

Following the curriculum and teaching their players that and only that is what they are told to do or face reprimand.

Sorry goat man but they are pretty happy to throw the curriculum aside when it suits.
Just had to watch this years NPL youth final series.
What ever it took

[Why Blue]

Not a fan blue man ?

Not at all !!!!!
Probably the worst I have seen since U/7

[mother theresa]

Not at all !!!!!
Probably the worst I have seen since U/7

Hmmmm!
Does anyone know if Southy's -Centre of Excellence is still in operation?:popcorn:

[Beast]

beleive not

[Bremsstrahlung]

Hmmmm!
Does anyone know if Southy's -Centre of Excellence is still in operation?:popcorn:

Why bring Southy into it? :banghead:

[mother theresa]

Why bring Southy into it? :banghead:

change of pace i guess!

[football_macigian23]

Magic 15s holding trials on Thursday night according to their Facebook. Have heard they've only got 6 players selected. 2 gone to Olympic.

[Why Blue]

Magic 15s holding trials on Thursday night according to their Facebook. Have heard they've only got 6 players selected. 2 gone to Olympic.
Have heard Cresner gone ??? If so they need to tell everyone, sell your strengths !!!!!!

[football_macigian23]

Cresner 100% gone!! Have lost their keeper and a defender to the Jets plus their main striker to Olympic

[terry]

Hmmmm!
Does anyone know if Southy's -Centre of Excellence is still in operation?:popcorn:

ya mum

[Why Blue]

Hmmmm!
Does anyone know if Southy's -Centre of Excellence is still in operation?:popcorn:

MT of course it is
Now developing outstanding young footballers for NewFM and thru to NPL as always

[Quare Caeruleum]

I've heard reports that NNSWF/EJ'S not happy with some of their selected players trialing at other clubs and academies.

[GO AWAY]

I've heard reports that NNSWF/EJ'S not happy with some of their selected players trialing at other clubs and academies.

Paper on weekend named two that have gone to Valentine and signed apparently.

[hamburgler]

Paper on weekend named two that have gone to Valentine and signed apparently.

Names?

[big jim]

I've heard reports that NNSWF/EJ'S not happy with some of their selected players trialing at other clubs and academies.

Bugger

Does this means some of the toff's are infiltrating our clubs ??

Please no

[GO AWAY]

Bugger

Does this means some of the toff's are infiltrating our clubs ??

Please no

.......and expect to play first grade / 22s

[Why Blue]

Names?

Saturdays herald....Valo have signed Reece Pettit & Jez Murray after they missed Jets Youth
Both quality players who have come thru the "elite" system but after all the $$$$ and commitment, apparently not good enought now ?????
Big slap in face for Jez Murray as they bought in two keepers from out of the area, great use of junior rego fee's

[Why Blue]

I've heard reports that NNSWF/EJ'S not happy with some of their selected players trialing at other clubs and academies.

QC EJ players have been trialling at clubs since "trials" began, most were as a back up, surely has stopped now they are all safe !!!!
BJ no need to fear, thier parents won't have the elite catching club germs

[hamburgler]

Saturdays herald....Valo have signed Reece Pettit & Jez Murray after they missed Jets Youth
Both quality players who have come thru the "elite" system but after all the $$$$ and commitment, apparently not good enought now ?????
Big slap in face for Jez Murray as they bought in two keepers from out of the area, great use of junior rego fee's

Both quality players. Reece picked as a 12yo and trained/played in Sydney with northern pre e jets. Just reinforces the point that out of the 100+ players in the e jets, very, very few make it to the top level.

[Quare Caeruleum]

Seems there's more to it than that. About a dozen kids from 13 to 15 age groups that have already been selected in EJ program still looking elsewhere including Mariners. Enough to warrant warning to all that they put their place in jeopardy.

Ab alio expectes alteri quod feceris
Expect to receive such treatment as you have given. (Syrus)

[Why Blue]

Seems there's more to it than that. About a dozen kids from 13 to 15 age groups that have already been selected in EJ program still looking elsewhere including Mariners. Enough to warrant warning to all that they put their place in jeopardy.

Ab alio expectes alteri quod feceris
Expect to receive such treatment as you have given. (Syrus)

Maybe......just maybe the alternates might be better ????

Clubs are becoming more compeditive and providing real options, look at edgy 13 & 14's quality coaching

[Why Blue]

Both quality players. Reece picked as a 12yo and trained/played in Sydney with northern pre e jets. Just reinforces the point that out of the 100+ players in the e jets, very, very few make it to the top level.

What is top level ???

First grade NPL is a massive achievement, something that most of these kids won't make, but unfortunately it gets overlooked in the search for greatness

Maybe people need to be a little more realistic ????

[Why Blue]

Enough to warrant warning to all that they put their place in jeopardy.

Ab alio expectes alteri quod feceris
Expect to receive such treatment as you have given. (Syrus)

A warning............back to school you naughty parents !!!!!!!

[Why Blue]

Article in this mornings Herald....David Eland calling for FFA to establish guidelines for ALeage academies after three kids selected in EJ squads have switched to the Mariners ........free country David......parents $$$$ so I believe parents can spend thier $$$ were they choose

Must be more to this, a lot of carry on for three kids ???

Be careful what you start David, FFA might very well question why EJ squads don't represent the 16 most talented in each age group

Less concern with losing three and more concern about getting the right sixteen

[big jim]

Was just reading that myself blue man
Yep agree a whole lot of carry on for three players out of hundreds selected
Biggest thing I got from it was that EJ's will be playing in Sydney NPL as soon as NNSWF can get them in
Now that will be a commitment both time and financial

[Why Blue]

I think the carry on is purposeful from Eland

Pushing NNSWF case to include EJ's in Sydney NPL

"Look now it's costing us players"

Forget about the three lost David, be more concerned with the large numbers of kids that don't even bother with EJ's and develop, quite nicely, thru the club system

[GO AWAY]

Both quality players. Reece picked as a 12yo and trained/played in Sydney with northern pre e jets. Just reinforces the point that out of the 100+ players in the e jets, very, very few make it to the top level.

Think they made the U18 E-Jets, but after seeing some kids picked for the Youth team who probably shouldnt be and these kids only got in as a train on, it was time to get out.

Train on wasnt good enough by the sound of it.

Both good players, but no better then alot of other 17yo playing NPL for the last three years and costing the players/parents less money.

[hamburgler]

What is top level ???

First grade NPL is a massive achievement, something that most of these kids won't make, but unfortunately it gets overlooked in the search for greatness

Maybe people need to be a little more realistic ????

Top level in this country is clearly A-League. My point - I am tired of hearing how good E Jets kids are from their parents, thinking they are going to make it big because they have been identified early and consider themselves "elite"!

I agree with you WB, it is a major achievement to make first grade NPL, if my boy can make it that far, he will have achieved big time.

[hamburgler]

Think they made the U18 E-Jets, but after seeing some kids picked for the Youth team who probably shouldnt be and these kids only got in as a train on, it was time to get out.

Train on wasnt good enough by the sound of it.

Both good players, but no better then alot of other 17yo playing NPL for the last three years and costing the players/parents less money.

Totally agree, there are plenty of 17yo playing NPL who are as good playing for a club.

[Why Blue]

Top level in this country is clearly A-League. My point - I am tired of hearing how good E Jets kids are from their parents, thinking they are going to make it big because they have been identified early and consider themselves "elite"!

I agree with you WB, it is a major achievement to make first grade NPL, if my boy can make it that far, he will have achieved big time.

Case in hand with two boys who have been identified early, developed by the system/program and at the critical time get cut ???
But that's my point, do the math's all you parents.......most will get cut and fed back into clubs

Agee, my son has always ( well since he has grown up a little ) set NPL as his goal, recently had the opportunity to train with a first grade squad and wow, opened his eyes, of course the quality, pace & intensity was much higher than anything he had ever encounted, including EJ. Gave him great opportunity to see were his game needs to be developed and has increased his desire to make that squad

[Goatscheese]

Article in this mornings Herald....David Eland calling for FFA to establish guidelines for ALeage academies after three kids selected in EJ squads have switched to the Mariners ........free country David......parents $$$$ so I believe parents can spend thier $$$ were they choose

Had to laugh at Eland having a cry because some of the players left for someone else, welcome to football. I doubt the Emerging Jets have never poached or signed on players from other clubs and Aleague academies.


Must be more to this, a lot of carry on for three kids ???

Might be afraid of the knock-on effect this could cause, wants to try and prevent it getting worse or he knows more kids are looking elsewhere. Or as someone said earlier a political move to allow Football NSW to let them into their competition.

[Why Blue]

Quick check of EJ squads on NNSWF own website shows 5 kids from Central Coast added to EJ squads for 2016 on top of already existing numbers from CC

Typical Eland & NNSWF being political ......trying to push thier barrow for EJ inclusion into Sydney NPL

Face facts Sydney NPL don't see a need to include EJ's as they don't see how thier inclusion will enhance the comp, based on EJ performance at organised competitions

So back to the same.......get the right kids......get the right coaches and perhaps the teams will perform better and justify inclusion as they will enhance the comp

Simple !!!!!!

[GO AWAY]

Quick check of EJ squads on NNSWF own website shows 5 kids from Central Coast added to EJ squads for 2016 on top of already existing numbers from CC

Typical Eland & NNSWF being political ......trying to push thier barrow for EJ inclusion into Sydney NPL

Face facts Sydney NPL don't see a need to include EJ's as they don't see how thier inclusion will enhance the comp, based on EJ performance at organised competitions

So back to the same.......get the right kids......get the right coaches and perhaps the teams will perform better and justify inclusion as they will enhance the comp

Simple !!!!!!

I remember years ago, about 5, Macquarie U12 won the state championship in Coffs Harbour beating Newcastle in the pointscore, come selections for NNSW ( at the time ) to play in Sydney every Wednesday night, i think there was 4 macquarie kids got in and 12 newcastle kids........ point is, its who you know at rep football unfortunately and it shouldnt be.

[hawk]

I remember years ago, about 5, Macquarie U12 won the state championship in Coffs Harbour beating Newcastle in the pointscore, come selections for NNSW ( at the time ) to play in Sydney every Wednesday night, i think there was 4 macquarie kids got in and 12 newcastle kids........ point is, its who you know at rep football unfortunately and it shouldnt be.

been happening for 40 yrs or more

[big jim]

been happening for 40 yrs or more

Probably has but does that mean we just keep accepting it

I've always had a laugh at how come so many of our elite players have parents who are, coaches, club committee members etc

And also how if one child is gifted then the whole family seems to be as well

[Why Blue]

Probably has but does that mean we just keep accepting it

I've always had a laugh at how come so many of our elite players have parents who are, coaches, club committee members etc

And also how if one child is gifted then the whole family seems to be as well

Laughing along with you BJ
Coaches and managers sons !!!!!!! wtf

[Barry Dawson]

Maybe......just maybe the alternates might be better ????

Clubs are becoming more compeditive and providing real options, look at edgy 13 & 14's quality coaching

Have anyone actually spoken with players and their parents who have left / been dropped from the EJ program?

We were speaking with a few this season and they could not believe the gap / step down between EJ and what would be known as "premier clubs" in the area. By the end of the season - these kids now back in clubs - performance has droppped considerably as has their desire to play. Disillusioned.

[Barry Dawson]

Totally agree, there are plenty of 17yo playing NPL who are as good playing for a club.

Did anyone watch the NPL 17 Grandfinal?

The 15's EJ's (with 3 x 14 year olds in the team) made Magics 17yo's look lost and well short

[Quare Caeruleum]

Did anyone watch the NPL 17 Grandfinal?

The 15's EJ's (with 3 x 14 year olds in the team) made Magics 17yo's look lost and well short
Certainly the EJ's u15s did well in the end and showed the value of quality and a hugely greater volume of coaching/training. And with the EJ players among the better, as well as often bigger and older taken from the clubs to join their program they should have an advantage and rightly should play up a year.
As for the difference in age you mentioned that is somewhat misleading. I believe only 1 player was an under 14 player (1 day off being u15) and perhaps the other 2 hadn't had their birthday prior to GF. But of course many if not the majority of u17 players in most NPL clubs are only in the u16 age group and still eligible for u17 next year. You would therefore assume that on average there would probably be more than 3 players in u17 teams that were still only 15 come date of GF. 12 to 18 months might be average age differential at this particular age group.
As for other EJ age groups, some are better than others but this tends to relate very much to selections and coaching. The selection process is always debatable but getting quality coaching, at the EJ's or clubs, is like trying to win the lottery. Anyone can have a certificate, but to be able to relate to the kids, analyse and develop skills and positional play, recognise weaknesses (and correct) and structure game tactics, is a rarity. Getting a coach/manager who is only there because of a connection to certain team members, or one who allows "positioning" of some parents is not so rare.

[Goatscheese]

Probably has but does that mean we just keep accepting it

I've always had a laugh at how come so many of our elite players have parents who are, coaches, club committee members etc

And also how if one child is gifted then the whole family seems to be as well

Not to mention when a talented player is not reselected when their parents or the player has had a falling out with someone on the committee.

[Why Blue]

Have anyone actually spoken with players and their parents who have left / been dropped from the EJ program?

We were speaking with a few this season and they could not believe the gap / step down between EJ and what would be known as "premier clubs" in the area. By the end of the season - these kids now back in clubs - performance has droppped considerably as has their desire to play. Disillusioned.


Welcome Barry
Yep speak every day with a player/parent who left the EJ's !!!!

Our own experience is quite different to what you have described, but yes in general there is a gap in intensity but don't confuse intensity with ability, for intensity you need all the squad to be committed and that is the difference you probably don't get that at all clubs so the kid had to be disciplined

My sons ability nor his intensity has dropped nor has he become dillisional, but then again he didn't go to magic !!!!

[Why Blue]

Did anyone watch the NPL 17 Grandfinal?

The 15's EJ's (with 3 x 14 year olds in the team) made Magics 17yo's look lost and well short

Sorry Barry didn't watch too much, celebrating CCB 15's gf win !!!!!!

But I think you have missed the point
Any good 16 or 17 year old is goining to be playing 19's ......so 17 NPL is probably not the strongest. I know this year my son playing U19's and I think 13 of squad could play 17's but club is building youth

Also yes this years EJ 15's defiantly improved under CZ no doubt but again don't confuse improvement with thier ability or them being the best
My bet is that every kid would improve under CZ

And yep only 1x 14yo but same kid us training now with Jets Youth and is pretty handy
Also look at Magic 17's .... Most gone now...... Team was done by years end

[Ker-Plunk]

you guys making me giggle , I hope you have future socceroos . but reality is your stars discover girls and beer before they get signed to stardom

[Why Blue]

you guys making me giggle , I hope you have future socceroos . but reality is your stars discover girls and beer before they get signed to stardom

Cars mate.....you forgot cars
What you say is precisely why my son plays club, so he can have a girlfriend and a surf and a life.......and I can have $2000 more beer......or Canadian Clubs

[Ker-Plunk]

you got ya head screwed on the right way . just let em play

[Ker-Plunk]

don't know if this should start another thread , but im with you with the Canadian clubs !!

[Why Blue]

Yeah a new thread......
EJ's or Canadian Clubs......were is a parents money better spent ??????

Clubies X 1 here

[big jim]

There is a clear winner in this debate

$2000 equals about 25 cartons of CC so 600 cans @ say 15 min a can. Equals about 150 hours

Now that is only one months training for EJ's add in their first class training venue, quality coaches, multiple training strips

It's a no brainer

600 cans

Vote 1 clubbies

[hamburgler]

Did anyone watch the NPL 17 Grandfinal?

The 15's EJ's (with 3 x 14 year olds in the team) made Magics 17yo's look lost and well short

I understand Magic 19s had 3 x 16s & 6 x 17s playing in their side, winning gf 4-0. No disrespect to the magic 17s but clearly they would have been much stronger if all available players played 17s.

You are comparing an apple to an orange Barry!

[mother theresa]

Did anyone watch the NPL 17 Grandfinal?

The 15's EJ's (with 3 x 14 year olds in the team) made Magics 17yo's look lost and well short

Great point charlotte!

Interesting after just looking at the table, you didn't mention Magic, beat the 15 EJets with there 3x 14 year olds twice!!!!! and finished 1st, after 20 rounds.
In world football- finishing 1st in a season, is regarded as the best and most consistent.
iN oz grand finals, are a second chance to win a trophy.On the day well deserved to the 15's EJets and there 3 x14 year olds.
as for 17 NPL, you will find that majority of the clubs 17NPL teams are younger players as well. The likes of Weston, Olympic and Magic were very strong.
Keep in mind these teams dont train 4-5 times a week, on a perfectly flat surface, with all the resources paid by registered community players. The other thing, regarding step down, is exactly what the other states comment on the EJets when they come 3rd last every year at Nationals.
The only gap i see is the arrogance from the EJets parents and players, good luck and we will see you in a club soon enough, when they drop your son or daughter for a better player from Central Coast, Sydney etc.

[ForeverRed]

You people really need to have a hard look at yourselves, sorry but all I see is parents banging on here, get a grip, it's kids sport ffs,

[hawk]

Great point charlotte!

Interesting after just looking at the table, you didn't mention Magic, beat the 15 EJets with there 3x 14 year olds twice!!!!! and finished 1st, after 20 rounds.
In world football- finishing 1st in a season, is regarded as the best and most consistent.
iN oz grand finals, are a second chance to win a trophy.On the day well deserved to the 15's EJets and there 3 x14 year olds.
as for 17 NPL, you will find that majority of the clubs 17NPL teams are younger players as well. The likes of Weston, Olympic and Magic were very strong.
Keep in mind these teams dont train 4-5 times a week, on a perfectly flat surface, with all the resources paid by registered community players. The other thing, regarding step down, is exactly what the other states comment on the EJets when they come 3rd last every year at Nationals.
The only gap i see is the arrogance from the EJets parents and players, good luck and we will see you in a club soon enough, when they drop your son or daughter for a better player from Central Coast, Sydney etc.

What FR said. Is this what junior reps are all about? Arrogance and and jealousy?

Cant understand the jealous jets attitude once again. You'll have to face it that the ladder is good but GF is champ, training is hardly an excuse. Might have to accept that the Ej 's deserved a win that day and that they can outplay a more fancied opposition at times.

The biggest test for anyone's boy is to see how far they make it on the big stage. nbn, nsw premier, socceroos

[380]

Perhaps we should have an elite comp for the parents.

[prawnhead]

You people really need to have a hard look at yourselves, sorry but all I see is parents banging on here, get a grip, it's kids sport ffs,

Couldn't agree more.

[Why Blue]

You people really need to have a hard look at yourselves, sorry but all I see is parents banging on here, get a grip, it's kids sport ffs,

Ppl here just expressing thier opinions

When they differ from you the old wanker parents line gets rolled out

FFS yourself & PH

I can only aspire to have your wisdom
💤💤💤💤

F#*cing boring !!!!!!

[Bremsstrahlung]

I think the EJ's should be just viewed as a program that is somewhat invitational somewhat pay money to be a part of and runs paralell to NPL clubs.
As you're all aware it's not necessarily the best in the region, the kids with the most ability, the most consistent performers or the best athletes. The selections are the same as any other NPL team. The star player from team a May go and trial and stink up a storm, not get a position, and got back to be being brilliant. The coach may want a box to box midfielder instead of a winger in his team. All subjective stuff. That's the great thing. You hear about players of all calibre that have missed out on selection and then work their way to be better than those who were selected above them. It's the game.

The team that plays in the nationals should be a Northern NSW team, selected after picking the best of the NPL whether you play for Jaffas, CCB, EJ or Magic, pick a team Based on merit. Similar to the old NBN select team. Pick the group, then give them EJ esque training for a few weeks leading up to the Nationals and see how they go.

Imo, the point of this thread should be more about development and how to improve things opposed to a dick waving thread. Or just rename it EJ versus the world or something.

[Ker-Plunk]

sorry , but when did this npl 17 comp start ? aint we talkin 17 a .

[Goatscheese]

Keep in mind these teams dont train 4-5 times a week, on a perfectly flat surface, with all the resources paid by registered community players..

Sorry what team are we talking about that doesn't have their players (parents) pay for anything?

[seldom]

I'm not sure but if I was an EJ coach I'd probably pick the best players available so I didn't look like a twat as a coach. Why would I pick average players if I knew there were better players in NPL. Honestly little Johnny isn't up to it. There's always the overseas scouts looking for parents coin with a paid spot in an academy lol. FFS.:wanker:

[early_to_the_match]

Sorry what team are we talking about that doesn't have their players (parents) pay for anything?

Goat, I think you'll find that the comment was suggesting that all players from every NNSWF club have paid fees to build the Speers Point facilities. But only the EJs get to benefit from them. Other clubs and players that have helped pay for them and wish to use them are charged an absolute fortune.

[early_to_the_match]

I'm not sure but if I was an EJ coach I'd probably pick the best players available so I didn't look like a twat as a coach. Why would I pick average players if I knew there were better players in NPL. Honestly little Johnny isn't up to it. There's always the overseas scouts looking for parents coin with a paid spot in an academy lol. FFS.:wanker:
Looking like a twat as a coach is quite common in EJ program as well as NPL. Often their coaching ability corresponds with their ability as selectors. All very subjective of course, but apart from a few exceptions the overall standard of coaching in this region is ordinary at best. And as others have indicated in this blog there is too much influence from self serving individuals.

[Saint James]

Lots of talk about jets program with good points by many and no secret to many it is what it is, positive step with Clayton Zane involvement here's hoping but with some lads choosing to play for u19 and u22 with clubs I hope their not missed for involvement in youth squads . u17 npl youth gf I'm neutral magic worst game of year jets best game that's sport , magic a lot going on off the field plus striker taking injury into game last 15 mins , watching both teams in the year 2 players that impressed me were Williams magic striker and blond hair jets centre back both play on natural instinct this can not to coached? Also believe 2016 nlp youth comp gap is closing between top to bottom teams with maitland , jaffas improving all squads not sure about buds and Charlestown , magic seems to have lost some players and valo are a bit unknown in strength , spoke to parents at different clubs all said quiet few central coast boys looking for a club this May result in a few surprises

[GO AWAY]

Lots of talk about jets program with good points by many and no secret to many it is what it is, positive step with Clayton Zane involvement here's hoping but with some lads choosing to play for u19 and u22 with clubs I hope their not missed for involvement in youth squads . u17 npl youth gf I'm neutral magic worst game of year jets best game that's sport , magic a lot going on off the field plus striker taking injury into game last 15 mins , watching both teams in the year 2 players that impressed me were Williams magic striker and blond hair jets centre back both play on natural instinct this can not to coached? Also believe 2016 nlp youth comp gap is closing between top to bottom teams with maitland , jaffas improving all squads not sure about buds and Charlestown , magic seems to have lost some players and valo are a bit unknown in strength , spoke to parents at different clubs all said quiet few central coast boys looking for a club this May result in a few surprises

williams was always a fullback somehow found his way up there in Azzuri u15 GF winning side i think, went to magic to play U19/U22, but only made U17

[big jim]

Blue man I'm sure you remember U15 grand final this year were CCB striker, big blonde hair kid, climbed all over Weston CDM and fell heavily to the ground, seemed to hurt himself and left the field and I believe went to hospital.
Have just heard that CCB coach is saying that Weston kid was cause and even believes he should have got a red !!

Is he kidding, poor Weston kid was just standing there when this clutz jumped him !!

Blue man you have spoken highly about this coach in the past
Is he fair dinkum ?? Cause if this is true I think he knows nothing !!

[Why Blue]

Blue man I'm sure you remember U15 grand final this year were CCB striker, big blonde hair kid, climbed all over Weston CDM and fell heavily to the ground, seemed to hurt himself and left the field and I believe went to hospital.
Have just heard that CCB coach is saying that Weston kid was cause and even believes he should have got a red !!

Is he kidding, poor Weston kid was just standing there when this clutz jumped him !!

Blue man you have spoken highly about this coach in the past
Is he fair dinkum ?? Cause if this is true I think he knows nothing !!


BJ yes I have praised this coach previously, because he was a good coach to the boys.
Without knowing his personal views in this I can guess what you said could be true ............
I do know that he portioned some blame on the CCB player who headed the ball back into the striker and supposedly put him into a dangerous position ??????? Were I think the striker did it all on his own..........puts himself in dangerous position all by himself !!!!!!!

I also know he held a high opinion of the striker and could see little wrong in anything he did

So yes can believe what you have heard, but certainly not my thoughts
If I was giving a red it would have gone to CCB striker !!!!!

[big jim]

BJ yes I have praised this coach previously, because he was a good coach to the boys.
Without knowing his personal views in this I can guess what you said could be true ............
I do know that he portioned some blame on the CCB player who headed the ball back into the striker and supposedly put him into a dangerous position ??????? Were I think the striker did it all on his own..........puts himself in dangerous position all by himself !!!!!!!

I also know he held a high opinion of the striker and could see little wrong in anything he did

So yes can believe what you have heard, but certainly not my thoughts
If I was giving a red it would have gone to CCB striker !!!!!

That's how I saw it blue man

Can't see how any blame can be apportioned to any one but the striker he is a clutz and a danger on the field thank god as it turns out mainly to himself

[Why Blue]

Interesting article in this mornings herald
NNSWF to revise NPL, possible 12 teams, looking to change relegation to club championship based, great idea
Changing age groups to 13,14,15,16 18 & 22 ?? Not sure
Including north coast & northern inland in NPL youth, glad my youth days are over!!! But good for the zones, just what do they do after turning 16 ?????

Any thoughts ???

[ForeverRed]

There goes development, it's win at all costs now

[GO AWAY]

Interesting article in this mornings herald
NNSWF to revise NPL, possible 12 teams, looking to change relegation to club championship based, great idea
Changing age groups to 13,14,15,16 18 & 22 ?? Not sure
Including north coast & northern inland in NPL youth, glad my youth days are over!!! But good for the zones, just what do they do after turning 16 ?????

Any thoughts ???

Based on last years relegated team South Cardiff, would they still have been relegated if it worked on club championship points ???
Would it be 4pts first grade, 3pts U22 and 2pts U19 to get a total score, i think thats how it used to work.
Would be interested if someone had the time to go over the last five years.
Who would be promoted ? Lakes and Wallsend im thinking

[The Magician]

Based on last years relegated team South Cardiff, would they still have been relegated if it worked on club championship points ???
Would it be 4pts first grade, 3pts U22 and 2pts U19 to get a total score, i think thats how it used to work.
Would be interested if someone had the time to go over the last five years.
Who would be promoted ? Lakes and Wallsend im thinking

first grade was 8 pts win, u22's 4pts win... u19's 2 pts win... no points for youth grades... half points for draw

[GO AWAY]

Edgy 550
Olympic 494
Magic 462
Jaffas 462
Weston 366
Adamstown 322
Jets 322
Blues 220
Maitland 192
Southy 179

[The Northern Defender]

Interesting article in this mornings herald
NNSWF to revise NPL, possible 12 teams, looking to change relegation to club championship based, great idea
Changing age groups to 13,14,15,16 18 & 22 ?? Not sure
Including north coast & northern inland in NPL youth, glad my youth days are over!!! But good for the zones, just what do they do after turning 16 ?????

Any thoughts ???

Many move away for uni or work in the following few years but until then normally play in the local mens premier leagues.
Any that come to Newie for uni may be a good pick up for local npl/newfm sides? This is possibly something that some Newie clubs should be looking at when they play the regional zone older teams.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Based on last years relegated team South Cardiff, would they still have been relegated if it worked on club championship points ???
Would it be 4pts first grade, 3pts U22 and 2pts U19 to get a total score, i think thats how it used to work.
Would be interested if someone had the time to go over the last five years.
Who would be promoted ? Lakes and Wallsend im thinking
I did up a table of this season. Can't remember if I posted it a little while or not.
I think there was 1-2 rounds left, and Maitland was last. But I think they overtook Southy with their results in the last round. Still, it was very tight.
I'd like to see this tbh.
I've spoken before about what I believe to be benefits of this system.
I don't know what happens of the bottom team isn't bottom of the club championship though. They could play off? Loser is relegated. Can't really complain about it if they know before the season starts, kind of a second chance saloon for whoever finishes last.
Only challenge is, the fate of an entire club could be relying on the shoulders of an under 19s team. (Yeh it's the seniors fault for being in that position), but some clubs could out quite a bit of pressure on their lower grades.
And do some clubs hold back some of their players to get some easy wins? This would be the negative, when the aim is to have a competitive Comp and develop younger players.

[Bremsstrahlung]

South Cardiff:
First Grade (10th) -.....2 Wins, 3 draws ---> 28 Points
22s.............(6th) -.....5 Wins, 2 Draws ---> 24 Points
19s.............(9th) -.....4 Wins, 3 Draws ---> 11 Points
Total: 63 Points

Maitland FC:
First Grade (9th) -.......3 Wins, 3 draws ---> 36 Points
22s (10th)-...... 2 Wins, 4 Draws ---> 16 Points
19s (10th)-.......4 Wins, 2 Draws ---> 10 Points
Total: 62 Points.

This is what I had, I think this was before the last 2 rounds. Maitland got a few results in last 2 rounds to take then above.

Overseas atm so don't have access to computer to check-do new things.
Interesting debate though.

[big jim]

With NTC team games now finished and EJ's finishing with 2 wins and 4 losses, wins over NT & SA but losses to Vic, Tassi, Perth & Qld

Question Is that a reasonable performance from EJ's

[hamburgler]

With NTC team games now finished and EJ's finishing with 2 wins and 4 losses, wins over NT & SA but losses to Vic, Tassi, Perth & Qld

Question Is that a reasonable performance from EJ's

Of course it's not a reasonable performance. Every state will always beat NT. To be beaten by tassie would not have been expected by ej officials u wouldn't think. So all in all, a disappointing result for mine, although in line with recent years ntc and nationals I guess.

[Why Blue]

With NTC team games now finished and EJ's finishing with 2 wins and 4 losses, wins over NT & SA but losses to Vic, Tassi, Perth & Qld

Question Is that a reasonable performance from EJ's

Probably not, but if that's the best we have and they performed at thier best and received best coaching available, than that is ok

The question is are they the best ???
Have heard that one striker who has been missing goals up front for 4 years now in this program missed some pretty simple 1 v 1's
New recruit being asked to play completely different to how he has been playing for the last ten years, I know it's the ciriculum but hey this kid has never played as per the ciriculum

And let's face it this squad is not really defensively sound, thank god they have a great keeper

Coaching had to be inconsistent with NTC coach thrown in at last minute

So as hamburgler said ......in line with recent performances

But no better for all this extra training, new facilities , more $$$$$$

[Ker-Plunk]

classic results from a cash driven system . northern need to kick the can and make these squads and programs more affordable for average joes . we all know there are so many talented kids running around whos parents simply cant pay the fees asked . for the sake of true development give these kids a chance . one less fleet car should cover it .

[late_to_the_game]

Have just found out the NNSW have employed some one to coordinate the refs for the premier competitions.

Each team in every comp will be paying $100 for the year to support this. So NPL x 7 teams, NewFM x 4 teams and WPL x 4 teams.

[EH9]

If they put $1 on top of every registration in the NNSW area they would have more than enough money to make the program free for all 'elite' players of the area. It is a must if we want to provide our best kids with the opportunity to have exposure to the best our area has to offer. PLEASE NOTE: common sense will not prevail

[Goatscheese]

Have just found out the NNSW have employed some one to coordinate the refs for the premier competitions.

Money would be better spent employing someone to improve the quality of the refereeing

[big jim]

New recruit being asked to play completely different to how he has been playing for the last ten years, I know it's the ciriculum but hey this kid has never played as per the ciriculum
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And Blue man it would be of great surprise to every one that this one and only new addition to this years U/15 EJ squad is the son of a long standing committee worker at the club from which he came

Very hard not to be cynical

Thanks for your efforts over the years

[Thomas477]

If they put $1 on top of every registration in the NNSW area they would have more than enough money to make the program free for all 'elite' players of the area. It is a must if we want to provide our best kids with the opportunity to have exposure to the best our area has to offer. PLEASE NOTE: common sense will not prevail

Okay, explain why little Johnny who is playing u/12 J grade for Dungog should have to pay for a kid playing NPL to be able to play for free?

[The Postman]

Any extra Rego that is tacked on should be going into coaching and facilities.

[EH9]

Okay, explain why little Johnny who is playing u/12 J grade for Dungog should have to pay for a kid playing NPL to be able to play for free?

Cause we keep hearing the issue of the best kids missing out on opportunities and I made a suggestion to fix the problem. Who knows, even little Johnny might benefit from the suggestion.

Happy to hear your suggestion.

[Why Blue]

I strongly believe that NNSWF should not spend one dollar on the EJ's program, if it can support itself through it's own rego fees and sponsorship than ok, but it doesn't, let alone the money NNSWF spends on WLeague

We all know ( well most) that a portion of every man, women & child's rego goes to NNSWF what we need is better transparency of were that money goes
It should be spent on improving facilities, helping club administrators and providing better coaching for ALL not just select few what about those EJ coaches went to clubs and spread the gospel ??
Just imagine if the $11 mill spent at RFF Speers point had been spent throughout the community
OR if all clubs had access to this facility to train on instead of weeks of training being lost due to wet weather etc, but no every night 2-3 elite teams train and that's it, I know clubs can but at a substancial cost to them or the parents

And why are they still called emerging jets when the jets haven't kicked the tin for two years ??? Or more ???

[Barry Dawson]

Probably not, but if that's the best we have and they performed at thier best and received best coaching available, than that is ok

The question is are they the best ???
Have heard that one striker who has been missing goals up front for 4 years now in this program missed some pretty simple 1 v 1's
New recruit being asked to play completely different to how he has been playing for the last ten years, I know it's the ciriculum but hey this kid has never played as per the ciriculum

And let's face it this squad is not really defensively sound, thank god they have a great keeper

Coaching had to be inconsistent with NTC coach thrown in at last minute

So as hamburgler said ......in line with recent performances

But no better for all this extra training, new facilities , more $$$$$$

Was it an acceptable performance? Not sure.

From what I heard, NT (9) and Tas (6) both had a number of overage players in their squads to help bolster their teams.

I have not heard that that the EJ 15's were thoroughly beaten in any game - 1 goal difference in every loss? My mail suggested that games were lost on one or two simple mistakes that were capitalised on by the opposition. Illustrates the need for these kids should be playing in a higher level of competition week in - week out.

When considering the population that each of the other states pull from and the competitions they play in - maybe the performance is not so bad. E.g. NSW Metro and Vic have 4-5 kids of equal strength to pull from in each position - which drives a really healthy level of competition for places in these squads. Do we have this level of depth in Newcastle? Not sure.

Interesting you have targeted an individual in the team for criticism...at the end of the day, these are kids, who are selected by others and are out there doing their best. I think you should remember that. (Regardless of whether you think they should have or not) that team I thought won the NPL 17's GF last year - so they cannot be all bad.

[Why Blue]

Was it an acceptable performance? Not sure.


From what I heard, NT (9) and Tas (6) both had a number of overage players in their squads to help bolster their teams.

I have not heard that that the EJ 15's were thoroughly beaten in any game - 1 goal difference in every loss? My mail suggested that games were lost on one or two simple mistakes that were capitalised on by the opposition. Illustrates the need for these kids should be playing in a higher level of competition week in - week out.

When considering the population that each of the other states pull from and the competitions they play in - maybe the performance is not so bad. E.g. NSW Metro and Vic have 4-5 kids of equal strength to pull from in each position - which drives a really healthy level of competition for places in these squads. Do we have this level of depth in Newcastle? Not sure.

Interesting you have targeted an individual in the team for criticism...at the end of the day, these are kids, who are selected by others and are out there doing their best. I think you should remember that. (Regardless of whether you think they should have or not) that team I thought won the NPL 17's GF last year - so they cannot be all bad.

Barry

Couple of things

You cry fowl that NT &Tas have 16yo's yet praise this squad for winning U17 comp ????
Population ..... Serious I think this is most people's complaint......from the whole NNSWF drawing area, which is enormous, not one child could make the squad ???? The fact that other area's have in your words 4-5 kids of equal strength for each position simply highlights what a joke the EJ program is !!!!! Why don't we ??

Targeting a couple of individual's ok
But it was more about questioning the program .......why is a kid still there that has been striking the ball over goals for over 4yrs ?? And why bring in a kid and try to get him to play contrie to how he has played for the last 5-6 years ???
And Barry let the GF go we are talking now , have they developed further since the GF ???

[big jim]

Barry boy I think you are a little narrow minded

I think Northern could come up with a least a couple of equal strength players IF they looked
I really only know this years U/15's but I have often thought that it would be possible to name a squad from this years semi finalist that could challenge the EJ squad
Then you have the rest of the comp, then you have mid coast, far coast and Northern inland

Real question is if these kids were given same opportunity as EJ kids would they perform better

At least give them a chance

[Bremsstrahlung]

Pick the best players, then we can truly assess our ability as a region.

[Barry Dawson]

Barry boy I think you are a little narrow minded

I think Northern could come up with a least a couple of equal strength players IF they looked
I really only know this years U/15's but I have often thought that it would be possible to name a squad from this years semi finalist that could challenge the EJ squad
Then you have the rest of the comp, then you have mid coast, far coast and Northern inland

Real question is if these kids were given same opportunity as EJ kids would they perform better

At least give them a chance

I don't think I am narrow minded.

Agree with all you guys are saying - but NNSW is challenged by distance. While it's ok to think we have a big drawing pool and there are parents prepared to move to Newcastle to let their kids follow their dreams - but most won't - thus reducing the pool.

Even if they come up with a couple of players - we don't have the 4-5 other jurisdictions have - and the program does not play in the Sydney NPL - so their development will not be at same pace as the Sydney kids etc.

Full disclosure - I have a child in the program - yes I pay for it - yes it has room for improvement - yes I have a pretty good handle on NPL club operations - yes the coaches the EJ kids huger access to are generally better quality.

If that makes me narrow minded.....

[mother theresa]

I don't think I am narrow minded.

Agree with all you guys are saying - but NNSW is challenged by distance. While it's ok to think we have a big drawing pool and there are parents prepared to move to Newcastle to let their kids follow their dreams - but most won't - thus reducing the pool.

Even if they come up with a couple of players - we don't have the 4-5 other jurisdictions have - and the program does not play in the Sydney NPL - so their development will not be at same pace as the Sydney kids etc.

Full disclosure - I have a child in the program - yes I pay for it - yes it has room for improvement - yes I have a pretty good handle on NPL club operations - yes the coaches the EJ kids huger access to are generally better quality.

If that makes me narrow minded.....

excuses excuses excuses
Older kids were playing, when you lose, but you rub it in when you win! ie GF we bring up always.

positioned 3rd last in every National Tournament for the last 5+ years. In business the CEO and its staff would be terminated and replaced with new, after continual poor performances.
Big Baz, your 2nd last sentence proves to me, exactly what we create in this region, poor egotistical and damaged kids who did have potential before entering the community development pathway, Big Baz i hope your son doesn't end up in New FM league or community football like many next year, as the writing on the wall shows, they continue to select kids from central coast, Sydney etc, and sack our own when it really counts.

[Why Blue]

I don't think I am narrow minded.

Agree with all you guys are saying - but NNSW is challenged by distance. While it's ok to think we have a big drawing pool and there are parents prepared to move to Newcastle to let their kids follow their dreams - but most won't - thus reducing the pool.

Even if they come up with a couple of players - we don't have the 4-5 other jurisdictions have - and the program does not play in the Sydney NPL - so their development will not be at same pace as the Sydney kids etc.

Full disclosure - I have a child in the program - yes I pay for it - yes it has room for improvement - yes I have a pretty good handle on NPL club operations - yes the coaches the EJ kids huger access to are generally better quality.

If that makes me narrow minded.....

Barry answer me this, given that we all play in the NNSWF comp area and yes it is a large area why should a kid with any abity have to move to Newcastle ??? Why can't NNSWF provide for all kids under thier control ????

Answer .........because they have this incessant need to continue funding elite program to 16 kids in each age group
And that is wrong

Oh and here was no need for your disclosure
You were well and truly marked as an EJ parent

[Why Blue]

excuses excuses excuses
Older kids were playing, when you lose, but you rub it in when you win! ie GF we bring up always.

positioned 3rd last in every National Tournament for the last 5+ years. In business the CEO and its staff would be terminated and replaced with new, after continual poor performances.
Big Baz, your 2nd last sentence proves to me, exactly what we create in this region, poor egotistical and damaged kids who did have potential before entering the community development pathway, Big Baz i hope your son doesn't end up in New FM league or community football like many next year, as the writing on the wall shows, they continue to select kids from central coast, Sydney etc, and sack our own when it really counts.

MT you have nailed it
This is a commercially funded programme, funded by the registration of every person who plays the game in NNSWF, it is under performing and as such needs to be looked into

What big baz is saying is that these are our best,they just can't compete against the better teams !!!! Not good enough. Change the program, change the squads,the coaching............if it's not working look at what might

[mother theresa]

MT you have nailed it
This is a commercially funded programme, funded by the registration of every person who plays the game in NNSWF, it is under performing and as such needs to be looked into

What big baz is saying is that these are our best,they just can't compete against the better teams !!!! Not good enough. Change the program, change the squads,the coaching............if it's not working look at what might

WB
simple- hit delete on the EJets,then there is no bye!!!!!
invest the time,the resources( not coaches),the community facilities and the monies in the 3 premier competitions, help all clubs develop more players....
But hey! they say consistency is a good thing, and they are consistently shit. but they did win the GF:deadhorse::brrr::wtf::blah::violin::banghead:

[big jim]

So Barry boy you have a child in the program and given you have only ever spoken about one team can we assume the U/15 team this year

Tell me Barry, what is the end result. Where is your son going ?

Jets youth ? Then onto A Leage ?

Let's start at jets youth, let's hope that powers that be don't continue bringing in players from Central Coast & Sydney as had been a trend, then of course you have the dozen or so 15 & 16 yo kids that are already playing senior football in the NPL then maybe one day NNSWF might even start bringing far coast and Northern inland kids down.
Interested in how you see it ?

[MFKS]

BArry NNSW has more kids to pick from than any other fed besides NSW

We have more than Victoria. Why can they have 4-5 kids for each position and we can't???

Stop making excuses

NNSW is not pulling its weight

[ForeverRed]

We pulled our weight in the 70s and 80s, nnswf actually won a title in that era, what's different now, kids can't be themselves on the park, if you show any flare you get put back to fullback,

[early_to_the_match]

We pulled our weight in the 70s and 80s, nnswf actually won a title in that era, what's different now, kids can't be themselves on the park, if you show any flare you get put back to fullback,
And yet they keep allowing some kids to take up to 20 shots a game from outside the box without a single one on target, while ignoring better positioned players who could have taken the shot. The inconsistency some coaches show when dealing with certain kids can be baffling!!

[Barry Dawson]

So Barry boy you have a child in the program and given you have only ever spoken about one team can we assume the U/15 team this year

Tell me Barry, what is the end result. Where is your son going ?

Jets youth ? Then onto A Leage ?

Let's start at jets youth, let's hope that powers that be don't continue bringing in players from Central Coast & Sydney as had been a trend, then of course you have the dozen or so 15 & 16 yo kids that are already playing senior football in the NPL then maybe one day NNSWF might even start bringing far coast and Northern inland kids down.
Interested in how you see it ?

Actually not in 15s but close - so I get to see the games and the kids around that age group both from EJ and NPL Clubs.
I played my chosen sport at national level (not football) as a late teen/20's - so under no illusion about where things can go - both up and down. I have boys in NPL, Newcastle and EJ programs - And I keep them grounded in this respect. But looking back, if my parents did not give me the opportunities to be the best I could be - my life would have been very different.
Whether the EJ program you are all so keen to bash is the best program? But it's the best avenue we have currently.
The dropping of players will only get worse as the EJs get closes to youth - no different in NPL - at least 6 were dropped from Lambton in the move from 15 to 17. It hurts to have your kids dropped from a team - no doubt. But be real in your expectations - the chance of any of the current batch of 13-18yo's in any club or program in Newcastle making a league or higher is low.

[big jim]

Actually not in 15s but close - so I get to see the games and the kids around that age group both from EJ and NPL Clubs.
I played my chosen sport at national level (not football) as a late teen/20's - so under no illusion about where things can go - both up and down. I have boys in NPL, Newcastle and EJ programs - And I keep them grounded in this respect. But looking back, if my parents did not give me the opportunities to be the best I could be - my life would have been very different.
Whether the EJ program you are all so keen to bash is the best program? But it's the best avenue we have currently.
The dropping of players will only get worse as the EJs get closes to youth - no different in NPL - at least 6 were dropped from Lambton in the move from 15 to 17. It hurts to have your kids dropped from a team - no doubt. But be real in your expectations - the chance of any of the current batch of 13-18yo's in any club or program in Newcastle making a league or higher is low.

Firstly Barry boy thanks for the bio on your sporting achievements gives a valuable insight

2nd not bashing the EJ program, just think most here see it for what it is, glad you are happy, hope it is all you expect

You didn't answer my question directly about your expectations of your sons future but indirectly you have in your last sentence

Why won't kids from club program make A League or higher ??? Is it because these will be full of kids from the Emerging Jets program ?

Stay with the emerging jets Barry boy they need parents like you,keep paying I'm sure your son will be able to pay you back when he gets all these contracts thrown at him

[Bremsstrahlung]

Development and selection discrepancies occur all the time.
Kale Bradberry scored more goals than Andrew Hoole in their Youth at Magic. Kale was such an attacking weapon , much more so than Andrew Hoole. Hoole was selected into Jets Youth before Kale. Kale was eventually included. Look where they are now.

[hawk]

Can we respond to Barry without being immature fw's.

Everyone has put up good points on what I think is the most important area of nnsw football but also seem to add the boot in

[The Dunster]

If you are good enough your parents financial situation has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you can make it.
The kids who don't have the financial backing that are good enough will be picked up and offered positions gratis - be that in elite programs or with elite clubs.
The kids riding on their parents money are well and truly sorted out before they turn 20 years old in most cases regardless of the sport.

[Local Rules]

If you are good enough your parents financial situation has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you can make it.
The kids who don't have the financial backing that are good enough will be picked up and offered positions gratis - be that in elite programs or with elite clubs.
The kids riding on their parents money are well and truly sorted out before they turn 20 years old in most cases regardless of the sport.

Unfortunately in NNSWFF area this is not the case at present. This is the argument for having every player in NPL/NewFM clubs in the juniors and having an additional training squad with the EJ's or whatever they want to call it. Each Zone pulls together a training squad from those within their competition area that are selected by a panel of coaches/selectors and then combined to bring in as a single squad after the TD of Northern and a couple of others have viewed them. Get rid of the top heavy structure at present and allow it to be run from grass roots with talent identification rather than the constant cronyism that seems to exist at present.

[big jim]

Can we respond to Barry without being immature fw's.

Everyone has put up good points on what I think is the most important area of nnsw football but also seem to add the boot in

All due respect Hawk but Barry is pretty vocal with his comments we have right of reply

I'll cop sarcastic but immature fw ? Bit rich
Public forum were discuss opinions

[Why Blue]

To be honest I find Barry's comments more immature and totally disrespctful of all the kids playing in NPL Youth

Couple of things to consider Barry
EJ's have hardly dominated NPL Youth last two seasons
Kids returning from EJ's to NPL Youth have hardly been stand out's, quality yes but not dominant
One example end of this year an EJ who played U16 this year in U19 comp was only considered at club for U17.........even though he played 19's this year

Point is yes some good players in EJ program but also some really good players in NPL as well

Also don't dismiss the work some clubs are doing with thier youth
Some quality program's in place, quality TD's, quality coaching, building synthetic training pitches, useing GPS data to help develop players

Yep all at club land

My thoughts.......if my son plays first grade NPL it will be a massive achievement from him, any further will depend totally in him and how he commits to opportunities as they present
Barry, don't be so dismissive of kids in NPL, they just might take your sons place

[Why Blue]

Unfortunately in NNSWFF area this is not the case at present. This is the argument for having every player in NPL/NewFM clubs in the juniors and having an additional training squad with the EJ's or whatever they want to call it. Each Zone pulls together a training squad from those within their competition area that are selected by a panel of coaches/selectors and then combined to bring in as a single squad after the TD of Northern and a couple of others have viewed them. Get rid of the top heavy structure at present and allow it to be run from grass roots with talent identification rather than the constant cronyism that seems to exist at present.

Your post is 100% spot on, all kids in NPL Youth, with a training squad that is free so can be changed
Squad can train and come together for championships/nationals etc

Put the extra coaches into NPlL as well to give greater depth there

The whole game benefits !!!!!

But common sense will never prevail

To many ivory castles hey Mr Eland

Surly a conflict there ????

CEO of both organisations, one of which has naming rights but no financial input ????

[Barry Dawson]

To be honest I find Barry's comments more immature and totally disrespctful of all the kids playing in NPL Youth

Couple of things to consider Barry
EJ's have hardly dominated NPL Youth last two seasons
Kids returning from EJ's to NPL Youth have hardly been stand out's, quality yes but not dominant
One example end of this year an EJ who played U16 this year in U19 comp was only considered at club for U17.........even though he played 19's this year

Point is yes some good players in EJ program but also some really good players in NPL as well

Also don't dismiss the work some clubs are doing with thier youth
Some quality program's in place, quality TD's, quality coaching, building synthetic training pitches, useing GPS data to help develop players

Yep all at club land

My thoughts.......if my son plays first grade NPL it will be a massive achievement from him, any further will depend totally in him and how he commits to opportunities as they present
Barry, don't be so dismissive of kids in NPL, they just might take your sons place

WB - I am not (or at least meaning it to sound like it) disagreeing with you - everyone seems to be saying that the EJ program is taking kids nowhere. What I have said and standby, is that without quality competition week in or week out for kids in NPL - the chances are low that anyone in NpL or EJ will develop into ale agile or beyond standard.
Just by pure numbers - the chances of anyone making a real living out of football is slim.
As for me dissing on clubs - no way - I am part of one and know how hard it is to make it all happen - $$ are hard to come by - without $$ cannot attract good coaches etc.
We need quality programs across all levels - even at u6 grass roots football if our game is going to thrive.
Over and out.
Barry

[Bremsstrahlung]

I think the Emerging Jets program has merit up to a certain point. From the age of 15/16, i think an NPL set up would provide the best development, especially with the proposed changes. Playing with older people can sometimes be a lot more beneficial than playing against these older guys.

There's obviously a lot of positives about the EJ program, and just as many negatives or things they could do better/differently.

Does anyone know if Sydney/Central Coast/Wanderers have a similar "academy esque" system in place?
My theory is that as NPL system gets more developed the EJ setup as it exists at the moment will be redundant with coaching certificate requirements set to increase and the professionalism of the 13-17 or whatever setups grow and clubs are more familiar with how to Best run it and greater priority forced upon them.
I'd like to see the EJ seen as a reward/select team from the NPL Season. Have the best kids in the competition or a larger squad of players selected and train them over the off season, and play some games parallel with other A league clubs when our NYL plays.
I don't like that EJ is essentially another NPL club. To me this negates it's relevence and intended "prestige".

[GO AWAY]

Development and selection discrepancies occur all the time.
Kale Bradberry scored more goals than Andrew Hoole in their Youth at Magic. Kale was such an attacking weapon , much more so than Andrew Hoole. Hoole was selected into Jets Youth before Kale. Kale was eventually included. Look where they are now.

Right place at the right time, i remember three strikers coming through the reps ranks not that long ago in the Macquarie/Newcastle/Hunter Valley days.

One was leading striker out of the three, now playing NPL U22 at 17 the other two, well one plays for the Joeys U17 in the word cup ( without scoring, just quietly ) the other one is in the Jets youth, without scoring many BTW.

Point is coaches have the biggest say in where kids end up at the 13-16yo age bracket, and while they have kids fathers coaching elite youth, and picking mates sons because he owes him a favour, we will always end up in the lower tier of competitions.

As i have stated before, when Macquarie won the U12 state final in Coffs Harbour in 2009?? Macquarie got four reps in NNSW while Newcastle got 12, the second tier team they picked ( mainly macquarie kids ) went to tasmania and went through undefeated beating Tas/Vic teams in a tournament. While the ' first ' team went to coffs harbour nationals and got smashed......

Politics can ruin football ......

[Why Blue]

Barry, do you know results of recent EJ's v Wandeters and Sydney FC academies ???

[early_to_the_match]

Barry, do you know results of recent EJ's v Wandeters and Sydney FC academies ???

I heard that Wanderers beat EJs 15s (14s this season gone) 8 nil. They are apparently playing Sydney FC this weekend but only going to be playing their younger age group. 16s didn't play Wanderers because they were playing NTC.
I also heard only 3 players from Northern NTC squad were recommended to be looked at further. 1 from younger age group and 2 newish to EJ program. (1 and 2 years in program).

[The Dunster]

Unfortunately in NNSWFF area this is not the case at present. This is the argument for having every player in NPL/NewFM clubs in the juniors and having an additional training squad with the EJ's or whatever they want to call it. Each Zone pulls together a training squad from those within their competition area that are selected by a panel of coaches/selectors and then combined to bring in as a single squad after the TD of Northern and a couple of others have viewed them. Get rid of the top heavy structure at present and allow it to be run from grass roots with talent identification rather than the constant cronyism that seems to exist at present.

Are we talking about a kid who is the very best player , [and by a considerable margin] in the NNSWF system being left out because of their parents financial situation ?
Or are we talking about a kid or kids that are better than some or most of the kids in the current elite programs ? Because it makes a hell of a difference.

If it is the former then that's a problem. If it's the latter then their is no problem at all.

The reason it makes a difference is that it would be very unlikely one of these kids makes it to A-League level anyway and the notion of making it at the highest level overseas or even for their country even less likely.

If the next Viduka is out there no way is his parents financial situation going to mean jack shit. If it does then we should all look for another sport.




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[EH9]

One was leading striker out of the three, now playing NPL U22 at 17 the other two, well one plays for the Joeys U17 in the word cup ( without scoring, just quietly ) the other one is in the Jets youth, without scoring many BTW.

Are you suggesting that the kid in the Joey's is no good? Would he be playing 22's in NPL?

[early_to_the_match]

Are we talking about a kid who is the very best player , [and by a considerable margin] in the NNSWF system being left out because of their parents financial situation ?
Or are we talking about a kid or kids that are better than some or most of the kids in the current elite programs ? Because it makes a hell of a difference.

If it is the former then that's a problem. If it's the latter then their is no problem at all.

The reason it makes a difference is that it would be very unlikely one of these kids makes it to A-League level anyway and the notion of making it at the highest level overseas or even for their country even less likely.

If the next Viduka is out there no way is his parents financial situation going to mean jack shit. If it does then we should all look for another sport.
I
Unfortunately without elite level coaching in an elite competition and playing with top quality players, very few players will develop to a level where they can become truly professional. A good young athlete with the right attitude may make it if in the right environment. But the level of coaching and competition in NNSWF is way below the standard required to get to that level. Everything in the meantime is merely a stepping stone to get to the next level.
I have no doubt that there is up to a dozen kids in each age group in NNSWF with the capability of playing at professional/international level if they spent a minimum 4 or 5 years playing in elite academies in Europe. The opportunity to get that level of development is the hardest thing to achieve and the reason why parents want to promote their kids whenever possible. This is not saying that that many players could make those academies, but if given the opportunity, everyone of them would end up reaching that level the rest of the region's players could only dream of. Money will play a part, but a players determination along with parental support is just the beginning of massive sacrifices needed to get to the truly elite academies overseas. It's a dogfight getting there, but a very different environment if you manage to reach the summit.

[Why Blue]

I heard that Wanderers beat EJs 15s (14s this season gone) 8 nil. They are apparently playing Sydney FC this weekend but only going to be playing their younger age group. 16s didn't play Wanderers because they were playing NTC.
I also heard only 3 players from Northern NTC squad were recommended to be looked at further. 1 from younger age group and 2 newish to EJ program. (1 and 2 years in program).

Yeah heard same re NTC, same kids that are playing 18's next year and training with Youth League

That's my point, some kids have been in that program a long time now, some over 4 yrs
If in that time they haven't been identified externally and defiantly not been progressed internally than why are they still there ?????? Surely it is time to try new blood. There is a midfielder who has been there 5yrs, yet in my opinion there is a midfielder from Weston that would play him off the park every day if the week, give him a go !!!!!

[big jim]

Yeah heard same re NTC, same kids that are playing 18's next year and training with Youth League

That's my point, some kids have been in that program a long time now, some over 4 yrs
If in that time they haven't been identified externally and defiantly not been progressed internally than why are they still there ?????? Surely it is time to try new blood. There is a midfielder who has been there 5yrs, yet in my opinion there is a midfielder from Weston that would play him off the park every day if the week, give him a go !!!!!

Hey there blue man eaze it up.
Young fella you talk about is playing 19's at Weston, why would he want to go anywhere

You had a couple of pretty handy mid's at CCB this year
Give them a go. lol

[Why Blue]

Hey there blue man eaze it up.
Young fella you talk about is playing 19's at Weston, why would he want to go anywhere

You had a couple of pretty handy mid's at CCB this year
Give them a go. lol

Yes two midfielders from this years CCB 15's playing 19's next year 4 in total going up to 19's ........I think they will all be happy were they are as well

[Why Blue]

I think the Emerging Jets program has merit up to a certain point. From the age of 15/16, i think an NPL set up would provide the best development, especially with the proposed changes. Playing with older people can sometimes be a lot more beneficial than playing against these older guys.



Agree

[big jim]

Yes two midfielders from this years CCB 15's playing 19's next year 4 in total going up to 19's ........I think they will all be happy were they are as well


Glad to hear that young ones are getting a go
I think all three if those players ( midfielders ) will do very well in 2016
Young guys like these are the talent of the future and not only is good that the clubs give them a go but it is great to see the kids step up and take the challenge
As said elsewhere these kids will develop very quickly playing and training with older players, much better than just playing with your own age

Great to these 15yo's having a go

[hawk]

EJ's have hardly dominated NPL Youth last two seasons
Kids returning from EJ's to NPL Youth have hardly been stand out's, quality yes but not dominant
One example end of this year an EJ who played U16 this year in U19 comp was only considered at club for U17.........even though he played 19's this year

Point is yes some good players in EJ program but also some really good players in NPL as well

My thoughts.......if my son plays first grade NPL it will be a massive achievement from him, any further will depend totally in him and how he commits to opportunities as they present
Barry, don't be so dismissive of kids in NPL, they just might take your sons place

interesting observation

What did you guys think of the CoE team on the w/e? Superior/similar/average. They would have the best facilities? They seemed a little more sure with the ball

[Why Blue]

interesting observation

What did you guys think of the CoE team on the w/e? Superior/similar/average. They would have the best facilities? They seemed a little more sure with the ball

Didn't get to see the game
Would have liked to but busy time

[Why Blue]

Some good news out of EJ program
Players from NTC squad in Canberra trialling for AIS CoE positions

One in particular, first year in program now trialling for CoE
Well done, just shows what can happen when you give kids a go
I could give them ten more like this one if they are seriously looking for talented kids to develop !!!

Oh and he is ex CCB as well..............nice

[MFKS]

interesting observation

What did you guys think of the CoE team on the w/e? Superior/similar/average. They would have the best facilities? They seemed a little more sure with the ball

Superior in skill sets to us by a long way.

Problem is they are poorly coached

Game is about putting the ball in the net not having four million needless passes and no shots on goal because you want to walk it into the net

They have basically been brainwashed with this dutch mango sucking crap this country is inflicted by.

[mother theresa]

Some good news out of EJ program
Players from NTC squad in Canberra trialling for AIS CoE positions

One in particular, first year in program now trialling for CoE
Well done, just shows what can happen when you give kids a go
I could give them ten more like this one if they are seriously looking for talented kids to develop !!!

Oh and he is ex CCB as well..............nice

WHAT!!!!!
Barry's kid didn't make it again?
Baz, maybe taking up a coaching/ manager or barista role at the community centre may help
or better still take him to the mariners

[big jim]

Some good news out of EJ program
Players from NTC squad in Canberra trialling for AIS CoE positions

One in particular, first year in program now trialling for CoE
Well done, just shows what can happen when you give kids a go
I could give them ten more like this one if they are seriously looking for talented kids to develop !!!

Oh and he is ex CCB as well..............nice

Blue man you love those CCB boys

Just glad to see it was the left footer, not the other CCB son of a manager taking up a development place with not much to offer

[Why Blue]

Blue man you love those CCB boys

Just glad to see it was the left footer, not the other CCB son of a manager taking up a development place with not much to offer

BJ .........say what you think, probably what most thought at the time!!!!

[GO AWAY]

Some good news out of EJ program
Players from NTC squad in Canberra trialling for AIS CoE positions

One in particular, first year in program now trialling for CoE
Well done, just shows what can happen when you give kids a go
I could give them ten more like this one if they are seriously looking for talented kids to develop !!!

Oh and he is ex CCB as well..............nice

Also he was another ex Toronto Awaba junior before CCB whyblue ;)

[Why Blue]

Also he was another ex Toronto Awaba junior before CCB whyblue ;)

Yes he was and a good kid as well

[Goatscheese]

Blue man you love those CCB boys

I'm shocked that a person affiliated with CCB would love CCB boys.

[big jim]

Barry, do you know results of recent EJ's v Wandeters and Sydney FC academies ???

Did we hear anything from Barry ?

I also heard 9-0 for 15's against WWS so that must be close to true

Also what about last weekends games against Sydney FC academy ?

Anything from that

[big jim]

Also have heard that a new coach to EJ program works for prominent sponsor at the regional football facility, having personally organised a lot of that sponsorship
And has a son in the program

The more you hear from Speers Point the more you wonder

Or is that just how it works ?

[RAM]

Also have heard that a new coach to EJ program works for prominent sponsor at the regional football facility, having personally organised a lot of that sponsorship
And has a son in the program

The more you hear from Speers Point the more you wonder

Or is that just how it works ?

fmd

[Why Blue]

Also have heard that a new coach to EJ program works for prominent sponsor at the regional football facility, having personally organised a lot of that sponsorship
And has a son in the program

The more you hear from Speers Point the more you wonder

Or is that just how it works ?

BJ. Think it's just the way it works, repay for all that help NNSWF

Time to move on, It is what it is, can't see much changing

[Goatscheese]

Or is that just how it works ?

Of course that's how it works, I was speaking to someone whose relative is a coach at EJ and they do work for Newcastle and asked them about how do people get into various roles including coaching and they said you just need to know the right people. Buying your way in and becoming chummy with the right people because of it only helps to get yourself on the NNNSWF payroll and affiliates.

[Why Blue]

Also he was another ex Toronto Awaba junior before CCB whyblue ;)

And now been offered a two year scholarship at AIS CoE
Well done, great reward for his efforts
Hope he goes on to make the most of this opportunity

Now it's time for EJ directors & coaches to open their eyes and minds to change
This proves it, first year in the program and look what happens, it could happen again !!!!!!!!

Start with 2016 U15 squad..........lot of kids in that squad that have been there a long time, the squad has never really shown any great promise failing to make semi finals in U15 comp this year and getting drubbed 9-0 by WSW youth shows how far behind they are

So come on............don't be afraid, make dome changes .........good things might happen !!!!

[mother theresa]

And now been offered a two year scholarship at AIS CoE
Well done, great reward for his efforts
Hope he goes on to make the most of this opportunity

Now it's time for EJ directors & coaches to open their eyes and minds to change
This proves it, first year in the program and look what happens, it could happen again !!!!!!!!

Start with 2016 U15 squad..........lot of kids in that squad that have been there a long time, the squad has never really shown any great promise failing to make semi finals in U15 comp this year and getting drubbed 9-0 by WSW youth shows how far behind they are

So come on............don't be afraid, make dome changes .........good things might happen !!!!

WOW!
so a new player, not from the existing :deadhorse:????
I am sure the last player was Cameron Joice, who came through clubland lol
system works a treat

[early_to_the_match]

Lucky he wasn't there longer, might have had any ability coached out of him.

[Why Blue]

Lucky he wasn't there longer, might have had any ability coached out of him.

Or maybe there is some merit in the program ??? Maybe if they get the right kids than development can happen ???? There are a few cases that show this but .................even the best can't turn pig poo into jam !!!!!!!

[early_to_the_match]

More pig poo in the coaching ranks than among the players. Some players lucky to be there, but some coaches need to change careers.

[GO AWAY]

WOW!
so a new player, not from the existing :deadhorse:????
I am sure the last player was Cameron Joice, who came through clubland lol
system works a treat

Think Cameron Joice even though was a Olympic Junior did play in the "Newcastle " rep teams