2015 NPL Youth

[late_to_the_game]

Hamilton U17's 2 - Jaffas 0 Played on Wednesday night.

Sunday 2nd Lake Macquarie vs Adamstown at Adamstown.
U13 - 8:30, U14 - 9:45, U15 - 11:00, U17 - 12:15

[late_to_the_game]

U13 buds 3-2 I think.
U14 roosters 6-0
U15 3-3
U17 buds 3-2

Both clubs technical directors present and taking notes - on coaches and players!

[Drunken ranger]

Wow big score in the 14's there it's good to hear that both technical directors there

[late_to_the_game]

Adamstown U17's vs Emerging Jets - Thursday at Adamstown, 4:45 to 6pm. 1sts playing at 6 - not sure who against.

[late_to_the_game]

U17 Adamstown 2 -EJets 1
Good hit out for both teams. Both missed several scoring opportunities.

This Sunday all junior teams Adamstown v Edgeworth at Edgeworth. Starting from 8:30 (I think)

[ForeverRed]

South Cardiff v Azzurri at Azzurri, start 1 pm

[The Magician]

Magic Vs FMNC in Taree Today, U13's- 4-3 FMNC, U14's- 5-1 Magic, U15's 2-1 FMNC, U17's- 3-0 Magic

[late_to_the_game]

Adamstown v Edgeworth
13's buds - I think
14's 1 all
15's Edgeworth by a hatful
17's 3 all, two Edgeworth players sent off.

[late_to_the_game]

Hamilton v Weston today, anyone know the scores?

[Why Blue]

Lake Macquarie City 13's got up over Jaffa's......not sure of score

L M City 14's 8 v Jaffa's 14 2........good win, boys looked solid.

City Blues 13 v Cardiff South 13's 7-2 i think

City Blues 14's v Cardiff South 14's 8-0

Heavy rain at times in both these games, Under 15's & 17's called off

couple of good wins for Lake Macquarie City now.................

[TauZero]

Adamstown v Edgeworth
13's buds - I think
14's 1 all
15's Edgeworth by a hatful
17's 3 all, two Edgeworth players sent off.

13's was nil-all. Edgy better in the first half, Buds in the second.

[late_to_the_game]

13's was nil-all. Edgy better in the first half, Buds in the second.

Thanks for the correction, I wasn't sure of the score.

[late_to_the_game]

Sunday - Adamstown vs Weston at Varty Park (apparently had flowers growing out of the field for the Hamilton v Weston games...)

U13s - 9:00am
U14s - 10:15am
U15s - 11:30am
U17s - 12:45pm

[wannabe]

Sunday - Adamstown vs Weston at Varty Park (apparently had flowers growing out of the field for the Hamilton v Weston games...)

U13s - 9:00am
U14s - 10:15am
U15s - 11:30am
U17s - 12:45pm
Haha couldn't see the flowers the grass was that long. You actually couldn't see the players boots on the field,but I am sure it has been kept long thru the trials to make sure it stays it lasts the season out

[late_to_the_game]

Adamstown 17s 1-0 over Weston. Weston very good defensively.
Weston won the 15s something like 4-1
Buds won the 14's not sure of the score.
Don't know the result of the 13's.

Some of the Weston committee mowed and marked the field for the game. (thanks)
The council apparently refused to as the juniors don't start for a while yet.

[late_to_the_game]

Hamilton 17's 1-0 over Azzuri.

[Why Blue]

Lake Macquarie City continued its good pre season form last sunday against Cardiff South

U/13 won 8-0
U/14 got up 7-2

Up against Olympic this weekend, should be a good game

[Bremsstrahlung]

Can we just make this one the NPL youth thread?

[GO AWAY]

Under 17 Hamilton Olympic 12/12 36 points, daylight second, going to be a close comp, between CCB, Magic, Edgy and Lakes for the other three spots.

Stupid situation is, wash outs are not getting caught up, it is double points in that washout round, for instance, CCB had a bye in the washout round, so last week when there bye come around again, they got no points, while magic and edgy received 6 points for there win ????

Doesnt seem too fair.

[late_to_the_game]

Magic were lucky to get the 6 points against Jaffas, goal in last 5 minutes when Jaffas had been bombarding their goal. If they had converted one of the chances, Magic on 12 (6th?) and Jaffas equal second.
I know it's what if, but really apart from Hamilton, any team can beat any other. The current points don't even indicate how close it is.

[The Magician]

Under 17 Hamilton Olympic 12/12 36 points, daylight second, going to be a close comp, between CCB, Magic, Edgy and Lakes for the other three spots.

Stupid situation is, wash outs are not getting caught up, it is double points in that washout round, for instance, CCB had a bye in the washout round, so last week when there bye come around again, they got no points, while magic and edgy received 6 points for there win ????

Doesnt seem too fair.

The overwhelming majority clubs did not want to play wash outs full stop, too much work, therefore double point rounds, ask your president which way he voted.

[Thomas477]

The overwhelming majority clubs did not want to play wash outs full stop, too much work, therefore double point rounds, ask your president which way he voted.

Oh snap.

[ForeverRed]

The overwhelming majority clubs did not want to play wash outs full stop, too much work, therefore double point rounds, ask your president which way he voted.
All clubs voted for this, it makes sence regardless,

[Bremsstrahlung]

Could be worse. One year, we were 4th and our last game got washed out. If we won the washout we finished 2nd and would play 3rd (a team we'd beaten twice) but instead the clubs decided not to, draw was awkwarded and we finished 4th and played 1st a team that we hadn't beaten.

[late_to_the_game]

It does get worse. The double point game only applies to first round washouts. Second round washouts are as you described.
Only hope Edgys double point second round game gets washed out!

[late_to_the_game]

Hey mods, can we get the thread name changed to just NPL Youth?

[late_to_the_game]

Adamstown v Weston games at Adamstown tomorrow postponed until Sunday 22nd June, which is a spare weekend.

[GO AWAY]

Adamstown v Weston games at Adamstown tomorrow postponed until Sunday 22nd June, which is a spare weekend.

CCB V South Cardiff same, so does this mean these are six point games like the other games were ?

[GO AWAY]

Can give some input on U17s

Adamstown 1 Weston 1
Olympic 3 Jaffas 0
Azzuri 4 Southy 0
Magic 4 Lakes 0
MNC 2 Emerging Jets 1

Hamilton 42
Magic 25
Edgy 23
Azzuri 20
Rosebuds 17
Lakes 16
Jaffas 14
Jets 13
MNC 13
Weston 12
Southy 9

Southy 4 Azzuri 1 ( 15s )
Azzuri 11 Southy 0 ( 14s )
Azzuri 8 Southy 0 ( 13s )

[pv4]

Hey mods, can we get the thread name changed to just NPL Youth?

Phernz is a good guy.

[late_to_the_game]

Anyone got the Jets v Jaffas score in the 17s?

The race for 4th place in the 17s is going to be very tight. Could be any one of 5 teams.......

[Local Rules]

Anyone got the Jets v Jaffas score in the 17s?

The race for 4th place in the 17s is going to be very tight. Could be any one of 5 teams.......

Jets 2 - Jaffas 1

[late_to_the_game]

U17's
Now 4th is on 20 points, 10th is on 16. 5 games to go with 6 teams having a double point game, and 5 byes in the mix.

If I had to bet now my money would be on Weston who are on 18 points with a double point game against Southy who are last on 9

Magic on 29 and Edgy on 26

Going to be very interesting last few games.

[late_to_the_game]

After the weekends games, 4th is still 20 points CCB and Jaffas
Jets, Lakes 19
Buds, Weston 18
FMNC 16

Also Jets pulled back a couple of 16 year olds (who have been playing in the 19's comp) for their game against Hamilton. Did not help....

[GO AWAY]

Sickening injury to a Hamilton kid late in the U15 game v Azzuri on Saturday, what looked like a compound fracture to lower leg/ankle, hope the poor boy recovers well. BTW ......Ambos taking 30 minutes to get there ??? Ground staff and physios done an excellent job but

[Why Blue]

Some really good news re 2015 coaching staff coming out of Charlestown City last few days

Especially in junior ranks with all coaches confirmed and ready to go

all details here from their web site

1st Grade & Head Coach Shane Pryce

Assistant Graham Hills

Staff Coach Darren Fromson

Staff Coach Bobby Kemp

u/22 Coach Graham Hills

Assistant Jason Evans

u19 Coach Warwick Maher

u17 Coach Greg Smith

Assistant Richard Clement

u15 Coach Clayton McSeveney

u14 Coach Richard Clement

Assistant Craig Plain

u13 Coach Mark Wilson

Strikers Coach Chris Tanchevski

Great to see club organised and prepared to put info out before trials

[GO AWAY]

Catch up game tonight - CCB V Hamilton Olympic U17 , see if Olympic can continue their undefeated season 17/17 , just a shame they are on same night as FFA Cup but should be a good game. 6.30 at Charlestown

[Bremsstrahlung]

Under 17 Hamilton Olympic 12/12 36 points, daylight second, going to be a close comp, between CCB, Magic, Edgy and Lakes for the other three spots.

Stupid situation is, wash outs are not getting caught up, it is double points in that washout round, for instance, CCB had a bye in the washout round, so last week when there bye come around again, they got no points, while magic and edgy received 6 points for there win ????

Doesnt seem too fair.


Catch up game tonight - CCB V Hamilton Olympic U17 , see if Olympic can continue their undefeated season 17/17 , just a shame they are on same night as FFA Cup but should be a good game. 6.30 at Charlestown

Didn't think they did catch ups?
or is it because the 13,14, 15s played?

[Why Blue]

Didn't think they did catch ups?
or is it because the 13,14, 15s played?

This game was called off initially by refs because of delay in under 15's with player breaking his leg and the delay associated with that. Also I think pitch condition had a bit of influence as well

As such it has to be played

[GO AWAY]

Hamilton 1 Azzuri 0
Very contentious penalty but you get that.

Glaring ref call was hamilton keeper took out azzuri striker ( last man ) without missing him, and got yellow only, two weeks ago, azzuri keeper got straight red for taking oppositions striker ( last man ) with an ankle clip, just cant work out the difference

Well done olympic anyway 18/18

[Bremsstrahlung]

Depends on the context....

If the azzurri striker was heading TOWARDS the goal and would have scored, it should've been a red.
But, if the player had deviated his path away from goal (even in the slightest) then it would be a yellow. Hard to say based on heresay.

The "last man" is a mythical phrase that does not appear in the laws of the game.

The send off offence alluded to is:

denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick


However, its a matter of subjectivity with how you saw the incident, to what actually happened, and again to how the referee saw the incident.

Olympic 17s killing it.

[late_to_the_game]

Only three teams left in the 17's who can get last place in the finals, Jaffas, CCB and Adamstown even thought Adamstown are currently 9th and need a miracle........
An indication of the closeness of the comp, except perhaps for Hamilton who can complete a perfect season with a win over Weston in two weeks.

[GO AWAY]

Azzuri v Lambton this weekend

Azzuri win, i think they grab fourth spot.
Lambton win or draw they keep fourth spot.

[Why Blue]

Azzuri win, i think they grab fourth spot.

Correct CCB currently have 1 goal advantage in for & against so a win will see them into 4th place

[late_to_the_game]

All clubs have been reminded by NNSW that they cannot run trials or recruit players before October 1st.
If they do they will face sanctions......
They have been inundated by parents complaining about clubs requiring securing deposits for next year due in the next couple of weeks.

[late_to_the_game]

U17 s Hamilton v Weston a draw.... Two Hamilton players sent off for arguing with the ref over a supposed obvious penalty decision. So both will be missing for next week...
Other chaos with spectators apparently as well.

[FMC]

Let CCB & Lamton play last game !! Would be bad if not allowed to play game as a win to CCB would put them in finals !!

[ForeverRed]

all fixtures not played in the final round will be declared 0-0 draw, this was from an email sent by nnswf on friday

[FMC]

all fixtures not played in the final round will be declared 0-0 draw, this was from an email sent by nnswf on friday

But the Lambton & CCB Game had a finals spot pending on the result in the Northern NSW Football NPL rules it states

NNSWF reserves the right to consider and determine priority where a rescheduled fixture result has a bearing on final series positions.

[Newsfeed]

But the Lambton & CCB Game had a finals spot pending on the result in the Northern NSW Football NPL rules it states

NNSWF reserves the right to consider and determine priority where a rescheduled fixture result has a bearing on final series positions.

Essentially Northern will set mid week night games to determine finals place should it have a bearing on finishes 1st to 4th. No Top 5 in NPL Youth

[FMC]

Essentially Northern will set mid week night games to determine finals place should it have a bearing on finishes 1st to 4th. No Top 5 in NPL Youth

Yes it will if CCB wins they go 4th on goal Dif over Lambton .

[Newsfeed]

Yes it will if CCB wins they go 4th on goal Dif over Lambton .

Tks FMC - by post was in general terms relating to all youth grades.

[FMC]

Tks FMC - by post was in general terms relating to all youth grades.

No worries just hope they can play the game in U17 's that is the main one !!!

[late_to_the_game]

Just noted that the 17s CCB v Jaffas game has been put down as a draw.....
I would be pissed if I was CCB!

[FMC]

Just noted that the 17s CCB v Jaffas game has been put down as a draw.....
I would be pissed if I was CCB!

This is not fair to the Boys at CCB U17's they should be given the chance to play Lambton to ? Make 4th spot for semi final when it was only 3 points in it for 4th !!!!! Hope NNSWF have a change of mind & let the game be played this week .

[Why Blue]

This is not fair to the Boys at CCB U17's they should be given the chance to play Lambton to ? Make 4th spot for semi final when it was only 3 points in it for 4th !!!!! Hope NNSWF have a change of mind & let the game be played this week .

Probably not fair..............we all like to see games played. Just that Jaffa's played the game off the field. Clubs were asked by NNSWF on friday with pending heavy rain predicted to prioritise games that effected semi final positions. Jaffa's showed no interest in moving any games, which were eventually called off, their call.

[FMC]

Probably not fair..............we all like to see games played. Just that Jaffa's played the game off the field. Clubs were asked by NNSWF on friday with pending heavy rain predicted to prioritise games that effected semi final positions. Jaffa's showed no interest in moving any games, which were eventually called off, their call.

Lambton should have been made by NNSWF to play that game.

[Thomas477]

Shit happens, no point whinging on an unofficial forum about it.

[GO AWAY]

So lambton get a washout round 1 , get to replay it for a 6pt game , azzuri gets washed out against them and doesn't get a chance to play it only getting a draw ? One meeting they had Charlestown beat them 2-1 , maybe ccb should get the three points as they already beat them this year .... What a joke

[White line fever]

Not being able to play the final game of the season that predicts final four is a joke !! Charlestown boys deserve better !

[ForeverRed]

I don't understand, they have had all year to make the four now your upset because they need to play the last game, doesn't make sence, good luck to those that got the runs on the board when required

[MFKS]

I don't understand, they have had all year to make the four now your upset because they need to play the last game, doesn't make sence, good luck to those that got the runs on the board when required

FR the solution to these issues is for you to share your wisdom with drainage solutions at grounds. The more grounds that drain better the more games played which puts an end to the arguments.

To have a comp and not have games played is a ****ing farce and Northern should be ashamed that theie elite comp for the stars of tomorrow is such a joke.

Double point round FFS How is that fair???

[GO AWAY]

FR the solution to these issues is for you to share your wisdom with drainage solutions at grounds. The more grounds that drain better the more games played which puts an end to the arguments.

To have a comp and not have games played is a ****ing farce and Northern should be ashamed that theie elite comp for the stars of tomorrow is such a joke.

Double point round FFS How is that fair???

Exactly , lambton now have received seven points for one win , this is suppose to be elite comp .

Either all washouts have to be played , or all washouts get a draw it can't differ from round to round.

Fr I'm sure you'd be blowing up if South Cardiff were the ones that copped it, these boys trained since before Xmas, to get this thrown at them is a joke

[FMC]

I think people should put letters into NNSWF about all this !! Lambton should be ashamed of what they have done !! They only did it because they knew the CCB boys would win the game & go into finals !!
& I agree with Go Away if it was your son or club you would be upset as well FR !!

[ForeverRed]

Talk to your committee, there the ones who ALL agreed, I repeat, ALL agreed not to do replays, as for me blowing up about semis, not a chance, I actually put forward that development teams shouldn't have semis, this I still believe

[Newsfeed]

Talk to your committee, there the ones who ALL agreed, I repeat, ALL agreed not to do replays, as for me blowing up about semis, not a chance, I actually put forward that development teams shouldn't have semis, this I still believe

Correct & most NPL Clubs agreed no replays due to the wear and tear already imposed on their grounds in a year across the 7 grades. It all comes down to individual clubs investing some coin into their pitches and not just their 1st Grade squad. What clubs as of today still have adequate pitches? Very few....

[MFKS]

I actually put forward that development teams shouldn't have semis, this I still believe

Just clarifying this point FR.

Up to what age do you view the no semis for kids thing as being acceptable.

ie If you were dictator on this what would you decide

[MFKS]

Talk to your committee, there the ones who ALL agreed, I repeat, ALL agreed not to do replays,

Just shows how shortsighted and how much self interest there is in the committees of clubs.

Players in this country don't play enough games for their development as footballers anyway and here you have clubs showing little interest in actually playing football which after all as a FOOTBALL CLUB is their purpose and would rather have wash outs to preserve their patch of grass which in under a month won't be used for a few months anyway

[ForeverRed]

Just clarifying this point FR.

Up to what age do you view the no semis for kids thing as being acceptable.

ie If you were dictator on this what would you decide
I see NPL youth teams as development only, no play offs at all, yes it's the Australian way to have play offs but it stops a lot of bickering about who's the best etc etc and it stops clubs from signing every tom dick and Harry for their kids teams, have games during the season and train all year round, it works in all the best academy leagues in the world , why not here

[Thomas477]

I'll agree, it's a development league for both the players, and referees. Why hasn't anyone blown up that for the elite comp, you have local referees reffing all youth NPL games and not state league refs?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Similar to how the U/17 fixture in last years NBN was refereed by non-State League referees? Non-issue really. The referees that get selected to referee these games, have generally proven themselves and their association see's potential and this is one way of testing them at a new level/setting.

[Thomas477]

Similar to how the U/17 fixture in last years NBN was refereed by non-State League referees? Non-issue really. The referees that get selected to referee these games, have generally proven themselves and their association see's potential and this is one way of testing them at a new level/setting.

That's my point, it's a development league, so that shouldn't really be worried too much about finals etc.

[plague]

Slightly off topic but can anyone tell me the name of the young fella from Jaffas (pretty sure he was playing 22's) who recently got a scholarship to a college in America (Philadelphia I think).

Ta.

[MFKS]

I see NPL youth teams as development only, no play offs at all, yes it's the Australian way to have play offs but it stops a lot of bickering about who's the best etc etc and it stops clubs from signing every tom dick and Harry for their kids teams, have games during the season and train all year round, it works in all the best academy leagues in the world , why not here

Don't disagree that they shouldn't be playing all year round.
To me it should be a goal of the code to encroach on the other codes seasons.

Do disagree on the lack of competition aspect to it. Life is a competition. The kids have to get used to it.

They are already shielded from it at in younger age groups by these ages it is high time they had to deal with it.

The left wing socialist everyone gets a prize crap for competing will be the death nell of this country and our proud sporting history. At younger ages the kids need to learn the skills of the game. At these ages they need to be introduced to being competitive.

It will come in handy as they get older or else we will have far too many of these social basketcases in society who can not handle anything not running their way in life

[GO AWAY]

I don't understand, they have had all year to make the four now your upset because they need to play the last game, doesn't make sence, good luck to those that got the runs on the board when required

Runs get put on the board over 20 games, my point is, it should be either teams get a point all year round in case of a washout, all teams get to play six point games, or semis are on hold, until all teams have played there games, especially since that last game had a bearing on the season.

Lambton were informed of impending rain by NNSW on friday, and all games with semi final aspirants were to be prioritised, they made no attempt to play or move the game, knowing NNSW would put it in too hard basket and just give each team a point, therefore getting their 17s in the semis.

Also if you took an interest in your younger teams fr, you would see that CCB were in the four all year, except some six point washouts elevated a few teams, including Lambton.

[ForeverRed]

Runs get put on the board over 20 games, my point is, it should be either teams get a point all year round in case of a washout, all teams get to play six point games, or semis are on hold, until all teams have played there games, especially since that last game had a bearing on the season.

Lambton were informed of impending rain by NNSW on friday, and all games with semi final aspirants were to be prioritised, they made no attempt to play or move the game, knowing NNSW would put it in too hard basket and just give each team a point, therefore getting their 17s in the semis.

Also if you took an interest in your younger teams fr, you would see that CCB were in the four all year, except some six point washouts elevated a few teams, including Lambton.

It's a new competition, new concept, there was always going to be teething problems, hopefully at our next club meeting things can be ironed our

[Why Blue]

It's a new competition, new concept, there was always going to be teething problems, hopefully at our next club meeting things can be ironed our

Yes, I see you guys have learned already and are holding trials at the same time as other clubs this year. Not after everyone else like last year. That will make a difference, also all the Lakes kids now looking for homes.
Things are changing slowly for you guys. Good luck

[pv4]

So lambton get a washout round 1 , get to replay it for a 6pt game , azzuri gets washed out against them and doesn't get a chance to play it only getting a draw ? One meeting they had Charlestown beat them 2-1 , maybe ccb should get the three points as they already beat them this year .... What a joke

I haven't really kept up with this comp at all but if this is the case, it is a disgrace. If the fed sets a precedent on how to handle something in one case, they have to stick to their guns for every single scenario from then on.

[MFKS]

I haven't really kept up with this comp at all but if this is the case, it is a disgrace. If the fed sets a precedent on how to handle something in one case, they have to stick to their guns for every single scenario from then on. Setting a precedent is one thing WLG how exactly are these double point games even remotely fair??

When the sides could be playing contrasting quality of opponents a positive result in the double points game can see a side shoot up above their rightful place and handicap another side who had an off day.

Absolute farcial

[Why Blue]

All clubs have been reminded by NNSW that they cannot run trials or recruit players before October 1st.
If they do they will face sanctions......
They have been inundated by parents complaining about clubs requiring securing deposits for next year due in the next couple of weeks.

Further to this, received following in an email from NNSWF yesterday afternoon, I assume this email went to all parents of current NPL Youth player ?? They must have had quite a few enquiries for them to act.

"The Parent
National Premier Leagues – Youth Players

Northern NSW Football has been advised that a number of our National Premier Leagues clubs are charging parents a non-refundable player registration / clothing deposit to confirm their child’s place in teams competing in the 2015 National Premier Leagues – Youth.

Please be advised that this practice is not permitted by Northern NSW Football and that all National Premier Leagues clubs have been advised they cannot charge a non-refundable fee for 2015 player registrations / clothing.

Parents are encouraged to contact Northern NSW Football in the event that an National Premier Leagues club is not adhering to this directive."

I know I received a letter asking my son to stay at his club and he was happy to stay there.

Its a tough one, clubs want to secure players they want to keep and then you have parents that want to shop kids around, I presume for bigger $$$$, sorry thats my cynical side.
I dont have an issue approaching current players and wanting to secure them, but what about the poaching ??? not sure how to handle that.

[GO AWAY]

Bit ironic if this weeks games in NBN get called off, as looking likely, poor Lambton would lose without getting to play, and Azzuri go through to play them next week ... hhhhm interesting

[MFKS]

Bit ironic if this weeks games in NBN get called off, as looking likely, poor Lambton would lose without getting to play, and Azzuri go through to play them next week ... hhhhm interesting

I see the irony but it is more distressing that a city our size struggles to have one ground capable of being played this weekend after a few days of rain.

Lets face it the rain hasn't reached any epic levels the last few days and despite having over 100 years to get suitable facilities to cope with wet weather we are praying it fines up to get some games played. Not really good enough

[ForeverRed]

I see the irony but it is more distressing that a city our size struggles to have one ground capable of being played this weekend after a few days of rain.

Lets face it the rain hasn't reached any epic levels the last few days and despite having over 100 years to get suitable facilities to cope with wet weather we are praying it fines up to get some games played. Not really good enough

the chicken sheds available

[Bremsstrahlung]

:popcorn:

[Beast]

Have to agree to some degree as a few years ago when my son went through the rep program the coach told him who he should play for and even introduced him to the club, along with a few other players.

[Bremsstrahlung]

sorry 1 last thing, as for poaching players again the light blue team and the red/black stripes team , also now to the game the green and red team- i am sure you get the message.
hovering around the SAP 12's games, like pedo's promising coaching roles for Macquarie coaches, on the condition they bring there best whole teams over- didnt Chocky do that this year at Edgy in the 13's, after he was rejected at 5 clubs 1st, it was a great success, now we hear the green and red team, promising coaching roles, and player positions , so are the blue grekos team, as well as Foley FC.
There is massive fundamental issues here with football in Newcastle, and untill the Zone muppetts are removed, we develop shit

I'll bite.

What's the problem?


Should they be distributed evenly to all the NPL teams?
Everyone has a choice. Just because Jack Black's coach is coaching at Red/black, doesn't mean jack black HAS to go there, but if he wants to he can.

Foley is a great youth coach. Why wouldn't you want to play for him if he is going to develop your game the best?

[MFKS]

Clubs need to start developing there own kids, clubs also need to create a culture, for them not to want and leave and go elsewhere.. as for the EJets needing untill 1st October, what a load of crap.....if they cant identify kids throughout the year, how can non paid people be able to identify.. and they need more time to view..personally every club should be able to prepare and select players for preseason,as soon as the finals are over. NNSW F sending out warning letters and emails to all clubs and players is comical.. all NPL clubs, players and parents should now send back to NNSW F a warning letter to them, of how incompetent they are, and the tick a box approach to the NPL Youth format this year

Think that has more to do with them scheduling trials after the NPL season has finished for possible prospects for the EJ.

If they scheduled them during the season everyone would be up in arms about that

[Thomas477]

the chicken sheds available

Unless it's improved since 3-4 week ago when we had that other bout of rain, it shouldn't be played on, was all mud and wasn't up to amateur all age standard, let alone NPL. Not your guys fault, but the games should have been called off.

Also, FFS, the kids are 12-13 years old.

[MFKS]

MFKS- agree
but if paid persons, cant get off there asses and watch talent that exists everywhere week in week out, but then want the monopoly at the end of the season to suit there incompetent methods of selection, last year they trialed for 6+ weeks, blind freddy can determine if a kid has it or not, unless your related, then you get in anyways.

Beats me why they need trials also.

End of the day they should have all the best kids already in their system.

As you say maybe they need to actually get off their arses and get to the NPL Youth games to actually identify them early.

What exactly does the Head of the Emerging Jets actually do??

[Bremsstrahlung]

I feel like we just went around in one big circle.


In my opinion, while it is a bit dodgy, I don't see a problem with an NPL Club, scouting out a U/12 Development team coach and giving him the U/13s coach position, and that said coach bringing in majority of his U/12s development team. This looks like a natural progression for both coach and players. This is not sustainable though. These development teams are supposedly the best ~15 players in the area, so it appears to me to be a big coup to whoever can ascertain the services of these players. The problem would occur if these players were blackmailed there by coach.

I'll use Foley at Charlestown --> Edgy as an example. Not privy to all the details, not pretending I am. But on face value, Foley, had a falling out at Charlestown and was offered a position at Edgeworth. Accepted said position as Edgeworth coach. Now I've heard the majority of his Charlestown team, followed him to Edgy. Can I ask in all seriousness what about this scenario, do you not agree with?

Interchangeably, a U/12 development team coach is offered a U/13s coaching gig at an NPL club. U/12 players enjoyed playing with said coach and see this as a good opportunity to join a NPL club. So they join him. For me, this is a clever way to get a group of promising young footballers into your NPL club. I'm sure all clubs would appreciate that this is not sustainable in the long term but in a competition where you are competing with other clubs, it will be seen as justified. There's nothing stopping other clubs from trying to do this?

[ForeverRed]

This years selections a being run and controlled by NNSWF because they believe the process was floored last year, please give be strength, pot kettle black glass houses

[Bremsstrahlung]

With that, these development teams could well be obsolete soon as the NPL Youth starts to effect.

[MFKS]

This years selections a being run and controlled by NNSWF because they believe the process was floored last year, please give be strength, pot kettle black glass houses

I take it you are talking about the Emerging Jets???

[ForeverRed]

Yep

[sancho_theswan]

the clubs who have been requesting deposits, and full payments are the same as last year...the funny thing with these non educated persons is..they are asking for money not because they want your son to only to play, the real reason is, they have no money and need to pay the current 1st grade players,coaches and poorly managed debts etc


thoughts on this issue??????

[namwob99]

plenty of thoughts
Charlestown- last year asked in full the $750 from each NPL youth player, before the end of the year, 60 players lets say, approx $43+ k in revenue- they have never had the pleasure to exploit in the past.
now we hear, they are $30k in debt, with outstanding registration fees, and again, asking for non refundable deposits, band aid football and politically bullshit, from these blue forumists- is that a word? personally this isnt the only club, but the #1 in setting this benchmark> go the blues!
Fark!! $750. That's farken ridiculous!!

[Bremsstrahlung]

$750 :|
That's robbery.
I was playing seniors and never paid more than $400. All the training kits, rego, warm up, match stuff, dress stuff, everything included.

[MFKS]

plenty of thoughts
Charlestown- last year asked in full the $750 from each NPL youth player, before the end of the year, 60 players lets say, approx $43+ k in revenue- they have never had the pleasure to exploit in the past.
now we hear, they are $30k in debt, with outstanding registration fees, and again, asking for non refundable deposits, band aid football and politically bullshit, from these blue forumists- is that a word? personally this isnt the only club, but the #1 in setting this benchmark> go the blues!

You get shit like this happening and it it hard to justify any reason to pay players in first grade

[MFKS]

the best kids at the EJets are the ones, who don't have relatives, as coaches, managers, canteen ladies, or ryan Campbell's whole family. which would only be probably 6 players in each team........if they did there job right they would, now we hear, as the Mariners Youth are gone, they are targeting all the Mariners kids for the EJets program, now we ask why Newcastle football and the talent is shit.they are never given the chance to develop.
the difference is, in Sydney it would be nearly impossible to get into there programs, unless you are from there and a registered Football NSW player, possibly Brandon Lundy the only exception?

Give some benefit of the doubt as teething problems for the time being.

Be ridiculous though if the same thing happens this year and they ain't getting closer to getting the best kids available in the system.

[wannabe]

plenty of thoughts
Charlestown- last year asked in full the $750 from each NPL youth player, before the end of the year, 60 players lets say, approx $43+ k in revenue- they have never had the pleasure to exploit in the past.
now we hear, they are $30k in debt, with outstanding registration fees, and again, asking for non refundable deposits, band aid football and politically bullshit, from these blue forumists- is that a word? personally this isnt the only club, but the #1 in setting this benchmark> go the blues!
Pretty sure if you check your history you will find that azzurri were stripped of their nyl teams years ago for doing the same shit back then.Getting the kids regos a year in advance to pay out the first grade squad from the season just played

[The Magician]

$750 For what players get now... bargain... Accredited Coaches... Winter Training facilities... special training nights... Ref fees per week... player equipment: polos, tracksuits, warm up gear, winter training gear, summer training gear, match day kit... club functions... Nothing is for free these days, if you want a value for money pastime go to the beach and swim in and out of rips... Sydney regos for U13-U17 NPL ranges from $2000-$2700... Talking at a Jaffas NPL youth fixture to a Magic manager they did a budget check before the implementation of the NPL and found that players from U19's to First grade alone cost the club just over $1300 per player in "football related" expenses, excluding senior match payments... That is only considering the expenses listed above... Clubs reply on sponsors and match takings to cover the shortfall and senior player payments... most clubs dont have a licensed club to give them a fat check from pokie revenue each year to top up the kitty like most eggball clubs do, its very hard for most...

Clubs desperate for that extra income stream will inevitably call on contributions from its members... some clubs may include youth players as those members of the club as well... in the end... most in newcastle football determine a clubs credibility as it revolves around the success of their first grade team anyways... what about all the effort to put NPL programs in place for Lakes to have first grade fail and the whole club suffer, programs down the drain, all that gear, strips etc purchased for 7 grades? what happens to it? but i agree either directly or indirectly rego payments must be budgeted within clubs to provide football services for players not pay exorbitant first grade fees.

[MFKS]

$750 For what players get now... bargain... Accredited Coaches... Winter Training facilities... special training nights... Ref fees per week... player equipment: polos, tracksuits, warm up gear, winter training gear, summer training gear, match day kit... club functions... Nothing is for free these days, if you want a value for money pastime go to the beach and swim in and out of rips... Sydney regos for U13-U17 NPL ranges from $2000-$2700... Talking at a Jaffas NPL youth fixture to a Magic manager they did a budget check before the implementation of the NPL and found that players from U19's to First grade alone cost the club just over $1300 per player in "football related" expenses, excluding senior match payments... That is only considering the expenses listed above... Clubs reply on sponsors and match takings to cover the shortfall and senior player payments... most clubs dont have a licensed club to give them a fat check from pokie revenue each year to top up the kitty like most eggball clubs do, its very hard for most...

Clubs desperate for that extra income stream will inevitably call on contributions from its members... some clubs may include youth players as those members of the club as well... in the end... most in newcastle football determine a clubs credibility as it revolves around the success of their first grade team anyways... what about all the effort to put NPL programs in place for Lakes to have first grade fail and the whole club suffer, programs down the drain, all that gear, strips etc purchased for 7 grades? what happens to it? but i agree either directly or indirectly rego payments must be budgeted within clubs to provide football services for players not pay exorbitant first grade fees.

This $1300 per player in expenses where is this money going?? This seems a little excessive

The club unable to negotiate a good deal on polos and tracksuits in bulk??

[The Magician]

This $1300 per player in expenses where is this money going?? This seems a little excessive

The club unable to negotiate a good deal on polos and tracksuits in bulk??

I think u'll find most regos will just cover the cost of their gear and the NNSWF rego with $100-150 left over for the rest of the expenses... half of all gear costing is the printing and embroidery. NNSWF should start open up a printing and logo service aligned to their First Touch supplies... they got cheap gear on their webpage... Nike shirts $20... but add logo... $8... player intial... $5... thats 33 for a training shirt... players might get 2 or 3 over the course of the year. hard to wash a shirt 3 times in the week for 3 sessions of training, plus maybe a weekend warm up. Couple of hundred grand is peanuts for NNSWF to get set up... no one would looks for strips anywhere else

[FMC]

Yes in sydney you can pay up to $3000 in some clubs , $750 for CCB is cheap when you inc match fees etc some clubs you had to pay more then $750 in Newcastle.

So when you look at what sydney pay we have got it good dont you think !! A lot of people would not be able to pay $3000 for one child let alone if they have two or more playing NPL .

[MFKS]

we are missing the point! $750 or $3750, as long as kids are being developed, have a look at some of the muppets coaching, at NPL youth clubs, have a look at how many teams have juniors from the club in there youth teams, have a look at where they are on the table as well. clubs reaping the youth regos, to now pay for senior players, or senior club debt.... this wasn't available in previous years, now its real...
for the likes of clubs being cash cowed from sneddo and millsy at lambton and edgy, what happens when they come to there senses, and realise there $100 's and $1000's invested, to win a $10000 prize money, and realising it costs $9000 to enter a club in the comp to pay out $80k per year on superstars, for weston to finish in front of them on $10 budget. this now becomes clear, why youth regos are so important to sustain 1st graders and club debt.

Are you implying the reason the NPL Yoof comp is here is just to give clubs an avenue to subsidize trying to buy first grade premierships??

[Bremsstrahlung]

:fright:

[The Magician]

Even if you develop the players... congratulations!!! doesn't mean the player is going to play for free because you so called "developed" them, if they think they are first grade materials they will chase the guaranteed start and the cash... Soccer costs thats what you can guarentee... no if or buts about it... garnish... $20 per player for the first team... 64 NPL YTH players thats $1280... @ $50 $3200.... @$100 thats $6400... on a $60-$80K player and coaching bonus budget over all 7 squads its not really impacting... Add them totals up and it probably doesn't even equal what Jobe has been paid to play at Jaffas over the past 2 years and you get perspective... i dont think clubs can be garnishing more than $100 per NPL SNR player rego... lets be serious...

Clubs don't develop players overnight... club honestly wont be able to see fruits of their NPL programs for years to come yet... Youth development isnt something new because we have branded it NPL... clubs have been doing it since year dot... most players when they get to 19-22 just dont cut it at a first grade level, and players that do make the cut you want to keep at all costs and experience in a squad can be like an extra player on the field in itself... players and parents have to understand that, but if a club is forced to play yth.. and get relegated after the fact, thats a sad state.. sure the E Jets will corner the market on the best of the regions talent... but what is left over? are they upto scratch... How would the yth right now (19-22) cut it against 19-20 year old, Cresnars? Halpins? Burts? Wilsons? Coopers? Austins? Haynes?

But i also agree... clubs in debt? that have not been developing a facility or some type of asset needs to be addressed

[MFKS]

Even if you develop the players... congratulations!!! doesn't mean the player is going to play for free because you so called "developed" them, if they think they are first grade materials they will chase the guaranteed start and the cash... Soccer costs thats what you can guarentee... no if or buts about it... garnish... $20 per player for the first team... 64 NPL YTH players thats $1280... @ $50 $3200.... @$100 thats $6400... on a $60-$80K player and coaching bonus budget over all 7 squads its not really impacting... Add them totals up and it probably doesn't even equal what Jobe has been paid to play at Jaffas over the past 2 years and you get perspective... i dont think clubs can be garnishing more than $100 per NPL SNR player rego... lets be serious...

Clubs don't develop players overnight... club honestly wont be able to see fruits of their NPL programs for years to come yet... Youth development isnt something new because we have branded it NPL... clubs have been doing it since year dot... most players when they get to 19-22 just dont cut it at a first grade level, and players that do make the cut you want to keep at all costs and experience in a squad can be like an extra player on the field in itself... players and parents have to understand that, but if a club is forced to play yth.. and get relegated after the fact, thats a sad state.. sure the E Jets will corner the market on the best of the regions talent... but what is left over? are they upto scratch... How would the yth right now (19-22) cut it against 19-20 year old, Cresnars? Halpins? Burts? Wilsons? Coopers? Austins? Haynes?

But i also agree... clubs in debt? that have not been developing a facility or some type of asset needs to be addressed

To say Football costs is an absolute farce. The only reason it costs is the over the top spending by players on things like wages to players and excessive levels of uniform provided.

Seriously does it really require clubs to supply players with all these items of clothing??
Does it really matter if Magic u23's are training in 3 x personalised Magic shirts with the players initials on them 3 nights a week when no one is actually watching?? Surely the players can wear their own shirts like 95% of the other clubs in this country do at training. They ain't a professional club who can justify the expense

It to me is an unneeded luxury that is being funded by imposing EXCESSIVE fees on juniors to pay for it.

As for wages being pissed away to fund players it is a joke. It is an amateur competition and to pay players is farcical when it can not be afforded or sustained. To then have to fleece kids playing the game to fund this is almost a crime. Maybe if less money was being frittered away we may have a couple of clubs with a venue with suitable drainage that this weekends semis are not a concern with the weather


People say there isn't enough money in the game in this country to be a real football nation. The reality is there is plenty of money floating about and it just ends up in the wrong areas.


Any justification on the fees being acceptable cause they are less than Sydney is complete crap. What goes on there is just a bigger disgrace.
The game should be kept as cheap as possible FOR ALL to enjoy and should not be the domain of those that can afford to have their parents find large sums of money just so some first grade player can get a couple of grand to play a game 18 weeks a year

[namwob99]

To say Football costs is an absolute farce. The only reason it costs is the over the top spending by players on things like wages to players and excessive levels of uniform provided.

Seriously does it really require clubs to supply players with all these items of clothing??
Does it really matter if Magic u23's are training in 3 x personalised Magic shirts with the players initials on them 3 nights a week when no one is actually watching?? Surely the players can wear their own shirts like 95% of the other clubs in this country do at training. They ain't a professional club who can justify the expense

It to me is an unneeded luxury that is being funded by imposing EXCESSIVE fees on juniors to pay for it.

As for wages being pissed away to fund players it is a joke. It is an amateur competition and to pay players is farcical when it can not be afforded or sustained. To then have to fleece kids playing the game to fund this is almost a crime. Maybe if less money was being frittered away we may have a couple of clubs with a venue with suitable drainage that this weekends semis are not a concern with the weather


People say there isn't enough money in the game in this country to be a real football nation. The reality is there is plenty of money floating about and it just ends up in the wrong areas.


Any justification on the fees being acceptable cause they are less than Sydney is complete crap. What goes on there is just a bigger disgrace.
The game should be kept as cheap as possible FOR ALL to enjoy and should not be the domain of those that can afford to have their parents find large sums of money just so some first grade player can get a couple of grand to play a game 18 weeks a year

Totally agree with this. The whole 'it's more expensive in Sydney' argument is wearing thin. There's no way that what these parents pay for is worth $700-800. That's ridiculous.

But as stated earlier the parents are backed into a corner and have to pay it or else risk missing out on a spot at a big club.

I'd love to see nnswf put a cap on the prices of junior football rego, force clubs to chase more sponsorship dollars or don't have the luxuries of three personalised training shirts, track suits etc because quite frankly $700 is too much when the aim of the game at the moment is to be getting as many people as possible to play our game.

[Thomas477]

I don't see why the Sydney argument holds any weight at all. Just because somewhere does it this way, does that mean it automatically becomes a role model for us to base our relevant thing on? It's ridiculous. But to be fair, if parents are that gullible to pay said costs when there's a good chance the kids won't make NBN first grade, let alone professionally, then I suppose it's good business for the clubs.

That being said, in my opinion, NNSWF should impose a cap for NPL youth fees.

[Why Blue]

seriously- are people just stupid or watch too much SBS and are football legends?
the clubs who have been requesting deposits, and full payments are the same as last year...the funny thing with these non educated persons is..they are asking for money not because they want your son to only to play, the real reason is, they have no money and need to pay the current 1st grade players,coaches and poorly managed debts etc
smell the roses- y blue, as the 2 major NPL culprits have an active opinion in the forum- 1 is blue, and the 1 is red/black stripe
please dont dragg other clubs to the same level

Sorry no SBS being watched in my house, not even fox.

And were did I say I had paid the money ????

I am well aware of the rumours going around about monies owed. As I am aware of some of the origins of said rumours

As for dragging other clubs into it, I am lucky enough to be able to talk with a lot of parents from a lot of different clubs and guess what ?? every one I spoke with has been asked to put $$$ down to secure position next year.So not just blue and red/black sorry.

As for smelling roses........well my son signed and returned his letter because he is happy in his team, they play well, they are coached well and they get on well as a team. If other crap is going on with in the club it certainly isn't filtering down to my sons team.

[ForeverRed]

So many hidden costs not being mentioned here, referees come to approximately $1000 when both senior and youth play at home, times that by ten, medical / first aid, strapping tape, qualified physio on the side lines, coaching courses time seven, affiliation fees around $7000 etc etc, south Cardiff charge every player $600 , that's every player senior and youth and out of that there's not much change, try joining a committee and help out if you have all the answers, it ain't easy but it is enjoyable

[pv4]

if foley is a great coach, then rolf harris is a excellent physio

Please never speak poorly of Foley in a public way again.

[pv4]

south Cardiff charge every player $600 , that's every player senior and youth and out of that there's not much change

This may be a silly question, or it may be one you prefer not to answer, but that $600 - do players who get paid to play in first grade have to pay that (either upfront or it gets taken out of their final wage)? Or do they get free rego?

[Drunken ranger]

22's and 1st free
19's down to 13's pay
pay day in its 1st year of NPL

Which mol club are you referring to ??

[Why Blue]

plenty of thoughts
Charlestown- last year asked in full the $750 from each NPL youth player, before the end of the year, 60 players lets say, approx $43+ k in revenue- they have never had the pleasure to exploit in the past.
now we hear, they are $30k in debt, with outstanding registration fees, and again, asking for non refundable deposits, band aid football and politically bullshit, from these blue forumists- is that a word? personally this isnt the only club, but the #1 in setting this benchmark> go the blues!

Shite.......dont tell CCB but I only paid $650.

I know it is a lot but to be honest I thought it was fair, certainly when compared to other local NPL clubs ( with out dragging Sydney into it )
Now at season end I can sit back and say it was more that fair, our $650 got us, Accredited coach, who is undertaking further accreditation, the coach is well organised and plans every session, as such every time my son got in the car after training he would say "great sesh", he never said that once after training last year with EJ's. Technical director who was at every game taking notes and would talk with team & coach at 1/2 time and game end. Great training facilities with the use of the cage at club azzurie and charlestown oval. I can only recall two sessions being missed due to rain. He also got the obligatory Training shirt ( only one ) training shorts, socks, game shorts & training jacket.

Maybe we are getting ripped blind, but and I can only talk for my son's team, when compared to others and what they paid at other clubs I am more than happy with my spend.

[The Magician]

I don't see why the Sydney argument holds any weight at all. Just because somewhere does it this way, does that mean it automatically becomes a role model for us to base our relevant thing on? It's ridiculous. But to be fair, if parents are that gullible to pay said costs when there's a good chance the kids won't make NBN first grade, let alone professionally, then I suppose it's good business for the clubs.

That being said, in my opinion, NNSWF should impose a cap for NPL youth fees.

Indirectly they do... Ejets charge $900 plus camp costs and they travel all over newcastle looking for training ground... clubs shouldn't be charging more than the Ejets... And if these are our elite kids the best of the best and NNSWF can justify charging this much all other arguments about excessive rego in the NPL are rendered null and void.


If Barcelona can't not afford to not charge what chance does Levante and Getaffe have in not having too?

[Bremsstrahlung]

This may be a silly question, or it may be one you prefer not to answer, but that $600 - do players who get paid to play in first grade have to pay that (either upfront or it gets taken out of their final wage)? Or do they get free rego?

I believe they pay (either up front or out of payments) if you are talking about Southy. Other clubs are different though, each club has a particular negotiating/payment philosophy.


I think there will be some interesting times ahead. All these additional expenses to meet the NPL standard many of which the lay person may not appreciate. As FR says, referees come to $1000, so thats essentially gate takings to pay referees.
Sure, NNSW subsidise some of the coaching programs occasionally, but thats an added expense.
Unless the sponsorship value increases (clubs should be flogging the FFA Cup to sponsors, national exposure) some clubs may find themselves in a bit of trouble.

[Why Blue]

maybe speak to parents outside your club- only 4 clubs i know off that have requested monies not all?
:

I actually said i speak with a lot of parents from a lot of clubs..........never claimed all

Also great points ForeverRed, forgot about ref's and linesmen at all games even trials, physio available for strapping and then on sideline for every game.

[late_to_the_game]

Fark!! $750. That's farken ridiculous!!

Rumor had it that the fee at Lakes was 950. Adamstown was 690.

[MFKS]

I believe they pay (either up front or out of payments) if you are talking about Southy. Other clubs are different though, each club has a particular negotiating/payment philosophy.


I think there will be some interesting times ahead. All these additional expenses to meet the NPL standard many of which the lay person may not appreciate. As FR says, referees come to $1000, so thats essentially gate takings to pay referees.
Sure, NNSW subsidise some of the coaching programs occasionally, but thats an added expense.
Unless the sponsorship value increases (clubs should be flogging the FFA Cup to sponsors, national exposure) some clubs may find themselves in a bit of trouble.

Well cut your cloth accordingly.

Get rid of the free 3x training shirts etc. get rid of the payments to players or start by severely reducing them with the intent to eradicate them.


With all these hidden expenses how can you justify paying players at all when it requires charging large sums to juniors to balance the books??

[Bremsstrahlung]

Well cut your cloth accordingly.

Get rid of the free 3x training shirts etc. get rid of the payments to players or start by severely reducing them with the intent to eradicate them.


With all these hidden expenses how can you justify paying players at all when it requires charging large sums to juniors to balance the books??

I would love to see the state of the competition if players were not paid. Look at West Wallsend (no disrespect to those playing, as they essentially saved the club).

[The Magician]

I would love to see the state of the competition if players were not paid. Look at West Wallsend (no disrespect to those playing, as they essentially saved the club).

Not going to happen... Time is money.. players playing in first grade deservingly think their time needs to be remunerated... the only such case ive heard of players not paying for money in first grade was Jimi Cresnar who used to donate his first grade payments back to the club at the end of the season.

As for reducing rego payments... as the NPL gets into full swing expect to see rego fees exceed $1000- $1200 in the next 3 years... clubs will be expected to have a proper physio not just a prac student from the uni for all fixtures youth and senior... who is going to pay for that... Senior clubs are expected to have a doctor on hand at first grade fixtures... who is going to pay for that? Clubs are expected to have externally audited finances... who is going to pay for that? clubs are expected to have qualified coaches in all grades, minimum c-license... who is going to pay for that... and these coaches are going to expect a handsome payment in return... who is going to pay for that?

As this discussion progresses its becoming more obvious that all players of a club have a responsibility to help cover the costs of running the club to meet minimum standards... you cant simply segregate running costs for seniors vs running costs for the juniors... to think that if the juniors (13's-17's) had a little left over income that it wouldn't be used to support the senior side (19-first) of the npl if they were in need is totally naive.

Speak to some of the ID and over 35 clubs around the place... they are paying over $400-$500 per year plus chipping in to pay the refs each week... and you barely get shorts, socks, and a polo shirt. Speak to the Jets players that have represented Australia overseas in junior tournaments... they have to fund raise to get themselves over there? and they are representing Australia... how much do the jets players pay to go to the NTC and Japan trips etc... after they have paid their rego?.

[MFKS]

I would love to see the state of the competition if players were not paid. Look at West Wallsend (no disrespect to those playing, as they essentially saved the club).

It would be an amateur comp with no players being paid.

As opposed to what it is now an amateur comp with players being paid.

If blokes wouldn't play because they ain't being paid then why have pay them now. They ain't good enough to justify it.

After all the NNSW NPL is the what 7th strongest comp in the land behind (HAL NNSWPL VPL QPL WA and SA Leagues etc )


Also I highly doubt the game would come to a standstill as blokes aren't being paid. Thousands of amateur comps in the world are testament to that

[Why Blue]

. Speak to the Jets players that have represented Australia overseas in junior tournaments... they have to fund raise to get themselves over there? and they are representing Australia... how much do the jets players pay to go to the NTC and Japan trips etc... after they have paid their rego?.


National title this year $1300 per player, its a "championship participation fee" x 32 kids going from NNSWF $41600.00 for what a bus, 4/5 to a room and a tracksuit. BUT parents are lining up to throw their money at NNSWF

Japan, that's a different story, was worth every cent for the experience. Not just the football but the culture, the home stays, competing in the tournament, eating Japanese food, going to a Reds game. That was a life experience that my son will have forever

[The Magician]

national title this year $1300 per player, its a "championship participation fee" x 32 kids going from nnswf $41600.00 for what a bus, 4/5 to a room and a tracksuit. But parents are lining up to throw their money at nnswf

japan, that's a different story, was worth every cent for the experience. Not just the football but the culture, the home stays, competing in the tournament, eating japanese food, going to a reds game. That was a life experience that my son will have forever


$900 + $1300... Cha ching!!!

[Why Blue]

$900 + $1300... Cha ching!!!

for sure....................plus endless travel to "test the kids"

There's gold in them there kids you know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just how can we exploit it

[sancho_theswan]

Ok well what about this……. those players who are making a bit of pocket money thru player payments seem to be looked upon as mercenaries (not all are), many use payments to assist whilst undertaking training e.g. Uni after to "football dream" has past, which I think is unfair . Most would have gone thru a similar development system like the now defunct "FYL" competition, which I didn't think wasn't a bad concept (at least some 1 div. clubs were trying to develop youth) until the Associations got their hands on it. These players paid well above what was considered "normal" registration fees at the time (around $350 - 400 from memory). It's just their turn to get a little something back for the efforts and I guess sacrifices they made growing up thru youth development programs. I don't begrudge these guys being paid at all, remember in 5-10 years down the track it will be the current youth players in the same situation. But player payments shouldn't be funded by junior development programs FFS. Welcome to the Newcastle Football round-a-bout!

[late_to_the_game]

Good mix of clubs, only Lakes and Southy missing....
Some good games in there too.

[The Magician]

Should be a good weekend... looking at the prospective rain gauge mm's predicted each day over the weekend its less than 5mm... Speaking to a referee today he said that the Ref's were told by the Fed's to play all games at all costs and for them to make the calls on ground playability not the clubs... interesting...

[GO AWAY]

Should be a good weekend... looking at the prospective rain gauge mm's predicted each day over the weekend its less than 5mm... Speaking to a referee today he said that the Ref's were told by the Fed's to play all games at all costs and for them to make the calls on ground playability not the clubs... interesting...

shouldve done that last week, wonder if top team go through if washed out.

[ForeverRed]

Should be a good weekend... looking at the prospective rain gauge mm's predicted each day over the weekend its less than 5mm... Speaking to a referee today he said that the Ref's were told by the Fed's to play all games at all costs and for them to make the calls on ground playability not the clubs... interesting...

Silly statement, refs have no control over grounds, if the club says it's out, it's out

[MFKS]

Silly statement, refs have no control over grounds, if the club says it's out, it's out

So VOLUNTEERS are somehow NOW EXPERTS and qualified to make these types of decisions without any self interest coming into the equation???


OK

[outsider]

Silly statement, refs have no control over grounds, if the club says it's out, it's out

Shouldn't worry South too much-how many teams did you say were in the play offs?

[ForeverRed]

One more then magic,

[late_to_the_game]

So VOLUNTEERS are somehow NOW EXPERTS and qualified to make these types of decisions without any self interest coming into the equation???


OK

Usually the same guy(s) who mows, feeds, waters, rolls, top dresses the field during the year......

[Bremsstrahlung]

Shouldn't worry South too much-how many teams did you say were in the play offs?

1 more than some...

[The Magician]

One more then magic,

Last time I looked at the finals fixtures Magic were represented in 3 of the 7 NPL grades... South Cardiff the solitary 1...

[MFKS]

Last time I looked at the finals fixtures Magic were represented in 3 of the 7 NPL grades... South Cardiff the solitary 1...

FR Not letting the facts get in the way of big noting Southy :rof:

[terryk]

FR Not letting the facts get in the way of big noting Southy :rof:

FR too busy working on Northerns, sorry i mean the Jets EJets WJets new $11M facility. Maybe he can advise them how to build a chicken coup so there are fresh eggs for the break rolls that will be sold at the new Northern NSW Cafe, and seeing though South Cardiff did such a fantastic job on their drainage and ground maintenance he could also help them out with that.

[late_to_the_game]

FR Not letting the facts get in the way of big noting Southy :rof:

Or does it just mean that the 4 youth grades don't come into consideration at Southy?

[ForeverRed]

4 teams? Southy? what the- i am sure all i saw from Southy was 80+ goals being pumped in there goal in each Youth team, and the busiest keepers in oz
im glad the Southy centre of excellence, will become a art museum, as nothing excellent happening- except for 60 kids now in therapy
Hope you having fun having a go at kids football hero, Local kids learning mate, how far do you travel to get to training, rep teams joining certain clubs , **** me what a disgrace some parents are, enjoy paying your senior clubs way buddy, and when your kid turns 17 and can't make the cut, who you going to blame, haha, what a joke , enjoy living your kids life for him, bahahahaha 😃😃😃

[ForeverRed]

You obviously have no idea, no more comment

[EH9]

It is stupid statements like some of the above that perfectly illustrate why youth competitions should not have finals or if we want to go a step further even play for points. Too many parents and coaches at these levels worry about winning trophies when the real focus needs to be on making the kids the best possible player they can be.

Keep working hard up there, Forever Red.

[The General]

EH9 or dali lama? if you read my previous posts- thats exactly my view, regarding the emphasis on youth player development being the focus?????? pffft
Now as for my mate, apparently Forever red, stupid statements come from him, if i recall, he was boasting about Southys achievements with 1 team more then Magic, then the Magician commented 3 out of 7 are in, compared to your 1. so who has the problem? according to the finals draw above. he cant count for starters.
my post of results was an update not focusing on trophies?-this is what happens on the forum, doesn't it?
Lastly EH9, at your next Southy committee meeting, bring up the comment made from FR, (rep teams joining certain clubs), as i hear the International School's 12's team, which is the 13 NPL team in 2015, has been considered or accepted by the SCOE- hypocritical don't you think when the centre of excellence, is jumping on this? so tell me football experts, how is this developing your beloved Southy juniors you keep crapping on about!- (pfft very funny):slap:

Gee, you are certainly on a mission! Is there anyone in Newcastle Football you like? Clearly just on here to insult people!

[Thomas477]

:trolls:

[MFKS]

nope not true General.
just the facts, i like many, who contribute to football in Newy,its the ignorant tossers i don't :violin:

Keep fighting the good fight Mother Theresa.

There is a lot wrong in this neck of the woods with the game that needs improving dramatically

[Why Blue]

4 teams? Southy? what the- i am sure all i saw from Southy was 80+ goals being pumped in there goal in each Youth team, and the busiest keepers in oz
im glad the Southy centre of excellence, will become a art museum, as nothing excellent happening- except for 60 kids now in therapy

Geez your hard to follow MT. here you are into Southy for poor performance in 2014 season. Really Southy buggered up by trialling late, many kids were already gone to other clubs. This year they have rectified that and are trialling at same time as other clubs. Lesson learnt.

But only a few days ago you were critical of clubs for being on the front foot and approaching/been approached by development coaches/parents and bringing whole teams
"hovering around the SAP 12's games, like pedo's promising coaching roles for Macquarie coaches, on the condition they bring there best whole teams over- didnt Chocky do that this year at Edgy in the 13's, after he was rejected at 5 clubs 1st, it was a great success, now we hear the green and red team, promising coaching roles, and player positions , so are the blue grekos team, as well as Foley FC."

So what are clubs to do ??? accept talent early and continue development of kids/team or trial and accept kids left, get hammered all season, either way they get bagged by you.

[traffic light]

But only a few days ago you were critical of clubs for being on the front foot and approaching/been approached by development coaches/parents and bringing whole teams "hovering around the SAP 12's games, like pedo's promising coaching roles for Macquarie coaches, on the condition they bring there best whole teams over- didnt Chocky do that this year at Edgy in the 13's, after he was rejected at 5 clubs 1st, it was a great success, now we hear the green and red team, promising coaching roles, and player positions , so are the blue grekos team, as well as Foley FC."

So what are clubs to do ??? accept talent early and continue development of kids/team or trial and accept kids left, get hammered all season, either way they get bagged by you.

Brilliant. Broadmeadow are just best at it.

Youth teams gloating over big wins having a wack. Lets just just see where they end up when they mature. Havent seem too many make it to the big leagues

[Newsfeed]

1 v 4 washed out 1 goes to GF now

[GO AWAY]

1 v 4 washed out 1 goes to GF now

Ohhhhhhhh so Lambton miss out on there chance of making the 17s GF because of rain, thats no good.

[White line fever]

Disapointing mother theresa !! for Charlestown City Blues Under 17s who never got to play their final game to make the semis because of Jaffas incompetence in not rescheduling the fixture. Karma's a bitch

[FMC]

Disapointing mother theresa !! for Charlestown City Blues Under 17s who never got to play their final game to make the semis because of Jaffas incompetence in not rescheduling the fixture. Karma's a bitch

I argee !!! Karma is a B**** now Lambton 17's know how the CCB 17's boys felt the other today !!!!!

[late_to_the_game]

The ones to feel sorry for are the Weston 15s, finished 3rd, beat FMC on Saturday, but will now miss GF as it reverts to 1v2....

Or does it????

[FMC]

The ones to feel sorry for are the Weston 15s, finished 3rd, beat FMC on Saturday, but will now miss GF as it reverts to 1v2....

Or does it????

Weston 15's in GF

[Newsfeed]

The ones to feel sorry for are the Weston 15s, finished 3rd, beat FMC on Saturday, but will now miss GF as it reverts to 1v2....

Or does it????

No. Weston (3rd) beat FMNC (2nd), which left Edgeworth (1st) & Emerging Jets (4th) to play midweek. The wash out means 1st goes through and 4th misses out. Your statement would be correct in the event 2nd v 3rd was washed out also. Regulation 28.

[Newsfeed]

agree
however how and why- does this happen? its suppose to be National Premier League, not treated like a Gala day.
All games should be played irrespective,no double points, or :bs: rules created by NNSW F.
Either way , a let down for such a long season of football. If they treat final series as they have, then just have 1st to the post as winner????:deadhorse:

Fair point - what is your solution though? Can you think of a ground or two capable of staging the mid week matches given the rain?

[Bremsstrahlung]

:woo::banghead::deadhorse:

[Thomas477]

I argee !!! Karma is a B**** now Lambton 17's know how the CCB 17's boys felt the other today !!!!!

Right, because all the 17s are groundskeepers at Edden oval and it was their fault that the game didn't get played? FFS.

[wannabe]

Results of todays grand finals anyone ?

[Beast]

13's Jets 4-1 Magic
14's Charlestown 2-1 Olympic
15's Weston 1-0 Edgeworth
17's Olympic 4-3 Magic penalties (1-1 full time)

[late_to_the_game]

17's game really entertaining game to watch for the non aligned spectator. Crowd got into the game as well, especially in the shoot out.
Olympic missed their captain and Centreback Joe Dean, (serving a suspension from the last game of the season) looked vulnerable at times, especially in the second half.
Magic were playing a more technical game, Olympic more direct.

Well done Olympic boys for an amazing year.

[Bremsstrahlung]

pfft amazing season- however what i saw was shit!!!! from Olympic playing every ball long, didn't string 1 pass all game.
On a positive note:
well done olympic, for excellent season, but the coaching is atrocious- all year every game, play it long- was yelled out by coach. the 12 year old EJets technically played better?:wtf:


Different ways to play the game.
I'd rather have an undefeated (i think) season playing long balls, than lose games playing "technically".

[death_sphere]

mother theresa, you obviously have zero intelligence regarding football. What coaching qualifications do you have to judge the coaching of the Olympic team? Have you attended any of their training sessions? Have you listened to any of their team talks? Get real. They're a great team and coached really well and greatly deserved their achievements for this season. Give credit where credit is due.

[death_sphere]

A Long ball UEFA Pro license
As for zero intelligence, maybe you are right! however the coach got sacked from coaching the under 11's Newcastle Football side?
do i need to say anymore?:arse:
As for them being undefeated and winning well done- good achievement YES... will they be able to step up in the future with senior sides, playing like that NO, we will see-


The coach you are referring to left the role of coaching Newcastle Football under 11's due to personal reasons so I suggest you get your facts right before you make assumptions and comments.

As for the long ball comment, I don't recall them playing many long balls to a central target man which is the general basis of a long ball game. I did see them play efficient direct balls to their wide players who constantly tormented the opposition in one on one situations. While Magic perhaps did hold the ball for longer periods of time, it was rarely in dangerous areas. I recall them having maybe 3-4 decent chances (most of which were in the last 2 minutes of the game) but throughout the game Olympic created more chances. Everyone has their opinions but in a grand final it is less tactical and more about motivating the players to perform with a high intensity, as strategy should have been worked on throughout the season. I think to say the coaching throughout the season has been "atrocious" is very harsh.

Also, the majority of that squad have stepped up on a regular basis into the 19's squad and performed exceptionally well so your theory about them not being able to perform at a higher level has no validity. I do value everyone's opinion on football, particularly NPL as I am a keen follower, however to make such comments about the coaching and players' ability is unnecessarily detrimental based on your assumption alone, and possible bias towards Hamilton and its coaching staff.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Did you read it before or after "Trolling for Dummies 101"?

[MFKS]

Did you read it before or after "Trolling for Dummies 101"?

How is the bloke trolling??

The bloke is expressing an opinion. Not everything that happens in local football needs praising cause there is a hell of a lot of mediocrity and incompetence

Kicking the ball long maybe an effective strategy but I think we as a football nation need to actually learn to ****ing play the game in other ways that focus on skill and technique or we will always be an inept player in the grand scheme of things in this game when others have these skills.

Coaching a team to play successfully this way isn't that big of an achievement if you have the right calibre of players with the right physical traits. It ain't getting you anywhere though long term

[Bremsstrahlung]

How is the bloke trolling??

The bloke is expressing an opinion. Not everything that happens in local football needs praising cause there is a hell of a lot of mediocrity and incompetence

Kicking the ball long maybe an effective strategy but I think we as a football nation need to actually learn to ****ing play the game in other ways that focus on skill and technique or we will always be an inept player in the grand scheme of things in this game when others have these skills.

Coaching a team to play successfully this way isn't that big of an achievement if you have the right calibre of players with the right physical traits. It ain't getting you anywhere though long term

It's trolling when you dismiss everybody else's opinion. As was said in another thread, just because you say things a lot doesn't make them any more true.

Also, GVE was criticised for trying to make his players play a certain way when they obviously were best suited to other tactics/formations/strategies.

If the Olympic 17s were best suited to long balls, so be it. It worked for them. Their Grand Finalist medals, Minor premiership and Almost perfect season are the facts that support whatever coaching method was used.

[death_sphere]

if you say so death_sphere, great short story, i am sure i have read this very informative article in the long ball curriculum 101.
As for not many long balls, and play to central target man, is there a difference- pfft :banghead:

Mother theresa, if you are unable to have a sensible discussion on the matter I don't know why you have joined this forum. As for the 'great short story', at least I have given evidence to my opinion where as you have just continually stated Olympic play long balls as well as your constant reference to the 'long ball curriculum' without any concrete debate. I'm sure most people would agree that the purpose of the long ball is to play high balls for a player to flick onto others. That didn't once occur in the game once. They were balls played either to the 7 or 11's feet or the space in behind Magic's defense (who play with an extremely high line, hence the space in behind for pacy wingers to exploit).

You may disagree, however I believe the purpose of coaching youth is to expose them to efficient and various ways to break down opposition defenses. At the end of the day, the aim of the game is to score goals. Lets face it, no team in Australia is going to play tika taka football like Barcelona and even if they did it has proven to not always be the most efficient way to win games... Note: Barcelona and Bayern Munich's failure in European competitions as an example.

I believe another example would be the Socceroos under Postecoglou at the World Cup. They played quick transition counter attacks, either playing Leckie or Oar early on once having broken down opposition play and attacked with speed, as opposed to the quick, short passing he opted for with Brisbane Roar and Melbourne Victory. I am happy to continue the discussion, however without the immature and ignorant retort.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Meh, doesn't say much for the "technical" skills of the players or the "tactical" minds of opposition coaches if they can't coach their teams to defend a long ball. Quite easy really. If they do it as frequently as you say they do, why don't coaches (the non atrocious ones) adapt to the tactic?

The opposition coaches must be more atrocious, to lose every game against such a tactic.

[seldom]

Meh, doesn't say much for the "technical" skills of the players or the "tactical" minds of opposition coaches if they can't coach their teams to defend a long ball. Quite easy really. If they do it as frequently as you say they do, why don't coaches (the non atrocious ones) adapt to the tactic?

The opposition coaches must be more atrocious, to lose every game against such a tactic.

This is actually a great point...peeps havin a shot at olympic coach re tactics but not for the opposition countering. But hey lets all hail the curriculum...sad really

[Bremsstrahlung]

yes you are right Confucius-
football in australia lies in the hands of your online football curriculum

No, I never said there was a football curriculum.

I'm just curious though. You say the Olympic coach is "Atrocious" for playing a long ball tactic every week. My retort is that any decent coach, should realise (if these long balls are as prevalent as you suggest) that the opposition is playing a lot of long balls through and he would then either a) play offside trap or b) drop back in anticipation and defend the long ball or c) do nothing, and whinge that they only won because they played long balls.


There's no right or wrong way to play the game. Liverpool play on the counter and sacrifice their defence, Chelsea frustrate teams with possession, Man City play the ball to their mids to pull the strings - Each team plays to their strengths.



Personally, I do not really care about NPL Youth in the slightest. I do take exception to publicly defaming a coach as being "atrocious" despite him and his team achieving such success.

[MFKS]

It's trolling when you dismiss everybody else's opinion. As was said in another thread, just because you say things a lot doesn't make them any more true.

Also, GVE was criticised for trying to make his players play a certain way when they obviously were best suited to other tactics/formations/strategies.

If the Olympic 17s were best suited to long balls, so be it. It worked for them. Their Grand Finalist medals, Minor premiership and Almost perfect season are the facts that support whatever coaching method was used.
How is it trolling when you have an opinion that is contrary to others?? How is it trolling when you are passionately expressing what you believe in??

Maybe the issue lies with the closed minded people who dismiss others opinions like you are currently doing cause MT comes from a different angle.

I may not agree with everything MT has to say but I fully appreciate the blokes honesty and forth rightness to express an opinion and call for more than we are getting.

NNSW Fed has nearly as many registered players as the Victorian Fed. We can't name a bloke since Middleby to come out of the region to play for the NT. We struggle to get quality locals into the HAL who actually make an impact. Our NPL clubs were dumped out of the FFA Cup at first time of asking one by a Victorian 3rd division pub side FFS.

MT is right in my opinion to be expecting more from the regions football activities instead of blindly accepting the same inept efforts when we can and SHOULD be punching better than we currently are.

As for Olympic and long balls. Watched their U22's side today. They hoofed it all day and seemed the only tactic they had to move it forward at rapid pace usually by a long ball aimed in the general direction of a teammate. They won their league. Still doesn't make the coach a quality coach to teach and play that stuff.

[Bremsstrahlung]

How is it trolling when you have an opinion that is contrary to others?? How is it trolling when you are passionately expressing what you believe in??

Maybe the issue lies with the closed minded people who dismiss others opinions like you are currently doing cause MT comes from a different angle.

I may not agree with everything MT has to say but I fully appreciate the blokes honesty and forth rightness to express an opinion and call for more than we are getting.

NNSW Fed has nearly as many registered players as the Victorian Fed. We can't name a bloke since Middleby to come out of the region to play for the NT. We struggle to get quality locals into the HAL who actually make an impact. Our NPL clubs were dumped out of the FFA Cup at first time of asking one by a Victorian 3rd division pub side FFS.

MT is right in my opinion to be expecting more from the regions football activities instead of blindly accepting the same inept efforts when we can and SHOULD be punching better than we currently are.

As for Olympic and long balls. Watched their U22's side today. They hoofed it all day and seemed the only tactic they had to move it forward at rapid pace usually by a long ball aimed in the general direction of a teammate. They won their league. Still doesn't make the coach a quality coach to teach and play that stuff.

You should run for CEO.

[seldom]

And yet your attacking Bremsstrahlung's opinion

[Bremsstrahlung]

You should run for CEO.

I consider this to be trolling. You've put forward valid points for discussion, and I've completely disregarded them because your opinion is different to mine. I've had to resort to sarcastic comments.

It's not so much the opinion, i agree with the underlying message in the posts, it is the manner in which they are expressed and inability to have a coherent discussion about those opinions without resorting to immature and demeaning retorts.

While you're point about lack of quality in the region is true, we should be doing better, there are a huge range of contributing problems, many of which are dependent upon one another. With the implementation of Emerging Jets, the NPL Youth, the all weather football headquarters at Speers Point, there are positive signs, but the effect of these measures will take some time to eventuate.

[MFKS]

And yet your attacking Bremsstrahlung's opinion

This is a forum for debate. It goes with the territory.

I actually at least read everyone's opinions and don't just dismiss them based on who they come from unlike many of the closed minded people on here do

[MFKS]

I consider this to be trolling. You've put forward valid points for discussion, and I've completely disregarded them because your opinion is different to mine. I've had to resort to sarcastic comments.

It's not so much the opinion, i agree with the underlying message in the posts, it is the manner in which they are expressed and inability to have a coherent discussion about those opinions without resorting to immature and demeaning retorts.



mother theresa, you obviously have zero intelligence regarding football. What coaching qualifications do you have to judge the coaching of the Olympic team? Have you attended any of their training sessions? Have you listened to any of their team talks? Get real. They're a great team and coached really well and greatly deserved their achievements for this season. Give credit where credit is due.

Think we will find that is where this debate started to go personal instead of sticking to subject.

I think though your and my opinion on the definition of what actually is trolling though are a bit far away anyway so we will leave it at that and get back on course

[stopper2]

How is it trolling when you have an opinion that is contrary to others?? How is it trolling when you are passionately expressing what you believe in??

Maybe the issue lies with the closed minded people who dismiss others opinions like you are currently doing cause MT comes from a different angle.

I may not agree with everything MT has to say but I fully appreciate the blokes honesty and forth rightness to express an opinion and call for more than we are getting.

NNSW Fed has nearly as many registered players as the Victorian Fed. We can't name a bloke since Middleby to come out of the region to play for the NT. We struggle to get quality locals into the HAL who actually make an impact. Our NPL clubs were dumped out of the FFA Cup at first time of asking one by a Victorian 3rd division pub side FFS.

MT is right in my opinion to be expecting more from the regions football activities instead of blindly accepting the same inept efforts when we can and SHOULD be punching better than we currently are.

As for Olympic and long balls. Watched their U22's side today. They hoofed it all day and seemed the only tactic they had to move it forward at rapid pace usually by a long ball aimed in the general direction of a teammate. They won their league. Still doesn't make the coach a quality coach to teach and play that stuff.

Isn't Neil Owens the Olympic 22's coach? From what I've seen of his teams over the years they play decent football.
Anyway from what i'm seeing and hearing the general consensus is that people are generally disappointed with the level of coaching at U/19's level. Would love to know what coaching certificates/qualifications some of these guys hold.

[GazFish35]

Those who can, do.
Those who can't, coach.
Those who can't coach, commentate.

[Why Blue]

Meh, doesn't say much for the "technical" skills of the players or the "tactical" minds of opposition coaches if they can't coach their teams to defend a long ball. Quite easy really. If they do it as frequently as you say they do, why don't coaches (the non atrocious ones) adapt to the tactic?

The opposition coaches must be more atrocious, to lose every game against such a tactic.

As witnessed in U/14 with CCB & Olympic

Round 1 Olympic won 5-0,

Round 2 Olympic won 1-0 but CCB coach tried a few different things, some worked some didnt

Grand Final CCB won 2-1, perfect example of coach adapting his game to counter that of the opposition and then being able to express that plan in a manner that 14yo boys could understand

Well Done

[death_sphere]

google IS A WONDERFUL THING
Did you get permission to plagiarise that.
credit goes to Olympic for there consistent season, as previously stated, however you know its true, and it is obviously bothering you, hence the 5 paragraph football mantra- watching someone punt a ball from one end to the other every play,every week, every game and call it football.
Like you said its a opinion-
personally i dont care much of either team in GF, i was there to watch and expect the next generation footballers- NPL17's attempt to play, 1 did.

I don't need Google to construct a few sentences and arguments (again highlighting your lack of sensible argument on matter as well as your inability to count - 3 paragraphs, not 5), not to mention I am a university academic. I believe your football knowledge may unfortunately be lacking if you can only see the game as being either a long ball game or not. You are missing the point I am making in acknowledging the finer details of tactical game plans, and that is what bothers me. You'd think someone with a UEFA Pro License would have a broader understanding of game strategy.

I am curious to know your coaching/football history over the past few years if you are willing to share? I understand if you prefer not to disclose such information.

[death_sphere]

Isn't Neil Owens the Olympic 22's coach? From what I've seen of his teams over the years they play decent football.
Anyway from what i'm seeing and hearing the general consensus is that people are generally disappointed with the level of coaching at U/19's level. Would love to know what coaching certificates/qualifications some of these guys hold.

If I read correctly, all NPL coaches require a basic youth NPL coaching certificate. As of next season, from under 19s onwards all must have C license (first grade must need B)

[hamburgler]

As an independent observer, I have seen a few games played by Olympic 17's, 19's and 22's this year. All 3 sides tend to play long balls. I'm not disputing the worth of the long ball, IMO though, you need to have more than one string to your bow. Yes that tactic gets results, and clearly Olympic have had success in those 3 grades this year. There certainly are more than one way to play football.

What is interesting though, is that the younger Olympic NPL teams, especially the 14s, do not play the long ball game all the time.

[Bremsstrahlung]

The long ball is a useful tactic if the opposition is attempting to press or have a high line of defence. The tactic should be used to try and push the defense back and have a deeper line as they try to adapt to the long ball employed.
If the defence sits deeper, the long ball is seemingly ineffective or less effective. This creates space in the midfield to play. If the team continues to play long ball, potentially as that's the only skills they have, then they will be caught out and left impotent in attack. Then, commment a regarding the excessive use of long ball can be validated.
Should the defense choose to remain high, I'd have no problem with a team continually exploiting this and utilising fast attackers down the flanks or central.

The game is a head to head game of tactics and skill. As Why Blue says in his example, they were beaten and caught off guard. One could assume the Olympic coach had better tactics. The next time the charlestown? Coach would've changed and adapted his team's tactics to best counter Olympics and it was much more evenly matched. Without seeing the games, you could assume(and agree with why blue) that Olympic stuck to their original Gameplan. So the 3rd time, Ccb knew what extra tactics were needed and devised a plan to beat them. So while Olympic have kept their tactics/Gameplan the same (assumption) Ccb have adapted. In this situation you would say the Ccb coach is better, in this instance as he was able to adapt and counter opposition tactics while the other coach stuck to his original plan and was seemingly unwilling to adapt.

**this may not be the actual case but the analogy still stands**

On the other hand, if team A use the "long ball" tactic against team B. Team B did not react and continued to play the same way, then it could be said that although coach A is using the same tactic, it is effective and winning, while team B is not changing and losing out. This infers coach/team A > coach/team B.

I agree with an earlier point made that teams should learn a variety of different styles and tactics and then use whichever to be successful. But I disagree with the notion that Coach A is not a good Coach because he uses the same effective tactic each week. I think it says more about coaches b,c,d etc that can't organise their team to counter the tactic.



EDIT: this is just a general statement.
In Essence, this does highlight the lack of tactical abilities of our region if this tactic is getting the results it is. Maybe Olympic is doing the region a favour by forcing teams to actually adapt.

[late_to_the_game]

Fun discussion!

One of the interesting things about the FFA curriculum is that if you base your training sessions only on what is suggested, you will tend to be more vulnerable to balls over the top of your defense, be they long or short.
This is mainly because you will NOT be doing this in training sessions (everything on the ground) and your players will not get the experience they need. This matches previous comments about a lack of heading skills.

The Jaffas in 17s this year tended to use that route, so before we played them we had part of session where our attack tried to play like (we thought) the Jaffas would against our backs.

[hamburgler]

here we go again
YES, long ball works, YES it can win games, YES if teams push up it exploits defenders
stop stealing coaching extracts from wikipedia, we understand the game
the point is for the last time. every week mate, every game mate, every time mate- thats not coaching, F grade 17's do that, go and watch this saturday and compare the meerkats.

that isnt tactic that is shit fullstop. if teams out there take pride in only doing this every time they play- well done
future players dont come from neanderthal ways, this has been the downfall for English teams for years- dont you get it. so we continue to follow that path and accept it.
NEWS FLASH Australia is now ranked approx 76 in the world and falling

my observation was they were lucky that Magic cant shoot penalties, coach screaming to there keeper to pump throughout the game was ingenious, tactics are tactics, it will catch up sooner or later, when you cant play any other way.
lets move on to arguing about something else thoughts anyone!


Agreed MT on all fronts.

The point is - Magic defence dealt with the long balls all game. Yes both sides had chances. Olympic's goal came from a set piece not a through ball in any case. Olympic could not match Magic's possession play and to me, as an independent observer, Magic were unlucky not to win the game. There certainly weren't too many times when Olympic played the ball out.

[Why Blue]

The long ball is a useful tactic if the opposition is attempting to press or have a high line of defence. The tactic should be used to try and push the defense back and have a deeper line as they try to adapt to the long ball employed.
If the defence sits deeper, the long ball is seemingly ineffective or less effective. This creates space in the midfield to play. If the team continues to play long ball, potentially as that's the only skills they have, then they will be caught out and left impotent in attack. Then, commment a regarding the excessive use of long ball can be validated.
Should the defense choose to remain high, I'd have no problem with a team continually exploiting this and utilising fast attackers down the flanks or central.

The game is a head to head game of tactics and skill. As Why Blue says in his example, they were beaten and caught off guard. One could assume the Olympic coach had better tactics. The next time the charlestown? Coach would've changed and adapted his team's tactics to best counter Olympics and it was much more evenly matched. Without seeing the games, you could assume(and agree with why blue) that Olympic stuck to their original Gameplan. So the 3rd time, Ccb knew what extra tactics were needed and devised a plan to beat them. So while Olympic have kept their tactics/Gameplan the same (assumption) Ccb have adapted. In this situation you would say the Ccb coach is better, in this instance as he was able to adapt and counter opposition tactics while the other coach stuck to his original plan and was seemingly unwilling to adapt.

**this may not be the actual case but the analogy still stands**

On the other hand, if team A use the "long ball" tactic against team B. Team B did not react and continued to play the same way, then it could be said that although coach A is using the same tactic, it is effective and winning, while team B is not changing and losing out. This infers coach/team A > coach/team B.

I agree with an earlier point made that teams should learn a variety of different styles and tactics and then use whichever to be successful. But I disagree with the notion that Coach A is not a good Coach because he uses the same effective tactic each week. I think it says more about coaches b,c,d etc that can't organise their team to counter the tactic.



EDIT: this is just a general statement.
In Essence, this does highlight the lack of tactical abilities of our region if this tactic is getting the results it is. Maybe Olympic is doing the region a favour by forcing teams to actually adapt.

I know that NNSWF expect clubs to follow the FFA criteria, in fact they pay someone to attend NPL Youth training sessions & games to ensure this.

From my experience in U/14 mainly this was followed by most clubs/coaches. Some might have done it better than others but probably gets down to coach and or kids available.

But kids also have to learn how to make decisions and take best option, this is the debatable part. EJ's for example must play out, watched it for years, kids are certainly coached how to cope and react under pressure , FFA follows this believe as well, but player needs to have knowledge to make decision. With correct coaching i have seen this year that both can happen. You reset and play out or if necessary keeper/defence can play long ball, I have actually enjoyed the decision making from the kids. Not always perfect but better than trained robots.

[hamburgler]

I know that NNSWF expect clubs to follow the FFA criteria, in fact they pay someone to attend NPL Youth training sessions & games to ensure this.

From my experience in U/14 mainly this was followed by most clubs/coaches. Some might have done it better than others but probably gets down to coach and or kids available.

But kids also have to learn how to make decisions and take best option, this is the debatable part. EJ's for example must play out, watched it for years, kids are certainly coached how to cope and react under pressure , FFA follows this believe as well, but player needs to have knowledge to make decision. With correct coaching i have seen this year that both can happen. You reset and play out or if necessary keeper/defence can play long ball, I have actually enjoyed the decision making from the kids. Not always perfect but better than trained robots.


Couldn't agree more Why Blue. My point with the older Olympic teams, is it seems, by virtue of the fact the long ball is played the majority, if not all of the time, that the coaching instruction to play the long ball takes the player's decision making ability away from them. They have to follow the coaches instruction, and as Mother Theresa said in an earlier post, on Saturday, the instruction to hoof it was easily able to be heard time and again from the Olympic bench. Makes it difficult for a player who likes to play the ball to be confident enough to do just that.

[Bremsstrahlung]

stop stealing coaching extracts from wikipedia, we understand the game
the point is for the last time. every week mate, every game mate, every time mate- thats not coaching, F grade 17's do that, go and watch this saturday and compare the meerkats.



I don't think you do, and it was not stolen from anywhere.
So, although the long ball tactic is winning them games, they should stop doing it because it doesn't meet the new age philosophy of Tikka Takka. IMO, Tikka Takka is now being replaced with Counter Attacking with speed.
If they played Tikka Takka, and were undefeated and had the success they did, played the same way every time, every game, every week, we wouldn't be having this debate. There are many ways to play the game, you play the way that wins you games.
If the focus is development, no points, just games, week in week out. While there are points, the objective will be to win. Hell, the objective to playing any game is to win. If the objective is to win the game, why would you change the way you play if it has been successful?



that isnt tactic that is shit fullstop. if teams out there take pride in only doing this every time they play- well done
future players dont come from neanderthal ways, this has been the downfall for English teams for years- dont you get it. so we continue to follow that path and accept it.
NEWS FLASH Australia is now ranked approx 76 in the world and falling


It is not shit. It is a tactic, for the reasons discussed earlier. It is no more "shit" than playing Tikka Takka. It is a style of play. There are many styles. These styles polarise people. Look at Chelsea vs Liverpool last year, Chelsea decided to Park the bus, time waste and keep possession while rarely even trying to score. Some people see this as a shit tactic (myself included), but it won them the game, so does it make that particular tactic worse or better than Liverpool's?
Lets face it, the team in question that has sparked the debate, will more than likely be split up next season as some may change clubs etc, or Olympic may get a new 18s coach (with the current coaching merry-go-round), who will bring new ideas, new tactics and develop new skills. They will learn a different way of playing, the new coach may prefer Tikka Takka, so they can play that way, but if they notice a high defence that is pressing them, they can resort to a long ball and catch the defence out.

The issues regarding Australia's world ranking are mainly due to the refusal to introduce new players and give new talented players international experience, in favour of playing the Germany 2006 squad who were gradually becoming too old, too slow and not able to compete. There are glaring issues, but to blame the Ranking on "Long Ball" philosophy is a bit of a stretch. Also, if Olympic are the only team playing long ball, there's still 7/8/9 other teams NOT playing this style. So there are players learning the "new age style".




my observation was they were lucky that Magic cant shoot penalties, coach screaming to there keeper to pump throughout the game was ingenious, tactics are tactics, it will catch up sooner or later, when you cant play any other way.
lets move on to arguing about something else thoughts anyone!

In the defence, it was a grand final, i wouldn't be playing out from the back in a drawn grand final, when i could gain some field position and exploit other strengths.
I agree, it will catch up with them if they do not learn any other ways of playing. Assuming they play for Olympic, they must have a fairly decent pedigree. So chances are they have previously been taught the passing, and other tactics. This year would account for 10% of their football coaching/development.

I understand, and agree to an extent that the Long Ball, is not a technically skilful tactic and relies on athletic attributes of players up front.

The issue I am proposing is that if this team/coach/tactic is so neanderthal and amateur. Why did it bring them so much success? Is this not more of an indication of poor coaching from the other clubs or poorly skilled players at other clubs that they were unable to recognise the tactic, defend the tactic and counter in their own way?

[Bremsstrahlung]

i bet you like test cricket too?




Maybe the issue lies with the closed minded people who dismiss others opinions like you are currently doing cause MT comes from a different angle.




:whistling:

[death_sphere]

As expected from Professor mourinho
My knowledge of the game, as you have crapped on about numerous times, explains exactly the mentally of a academic- they know best! and eveyone else is wrong or uneducated.
What i know is what i know, as well it is my opinion. get over it
Also watching EPL last night not much long ball there, Hotspurs last week completed 48 passes to score a great goal, you would have struggled to complete 48 all year.
Tactically as you refer- i dont think so, its clearly you cant play any other way- it shows in all grades!
Employ a football coach not a AFL coach.
its obviously a sore point though- because you know its true.
move on the season is over, hoping for a improvement next year from all teams.

Again you keep making assumptions and personal jabs with no factual analysis or examples. As for your apparent bitterness toward Hamilton, think what you want but this isn't the EPL. I do agree with your arguments regarding the first grade team as I believe they have the talent in their squad to play more possession based football which will hopefully be rectified in the future, but 17 year olds aren't going to string 48 5 yard passes together every week to score goals, particularly in a grand final with the pressures of an undefeated season on the line. Seeing as you continue to assume things and respond in an insulting manner, I will assume that you have struggled to find any kind of coaching/footballing role in Newcastle due (possibly a sore point for yourself) to your inability to consider efficient methods in football and lack of diverse tactical awareness of different on-field situations . At the end of the day it is a results based game and an undefeated season speaks for itself. I am in no way criticising Magic, as they did perform well and I thought the game had a great intensity to it, however the plausibility for every argument you have made is poor and your naive retort highlights your social inadequacy to take part in any kind of discussion. Therefore I will choose to no longer respond to you as you have polluted this forum enough and I prefer to have sensible discussions with reasonable football fans. Kindest regards Mother Theresa, and I hope future NPL seasons prove more satisfying to your needs.

[Thomas477]

What's wrong with test match cricket? Richie is the best bit of the summer.

[death_sphere]

wrong again- are you a coach DS?

no bitterness to Hamilton at all, some great kids in that team .just a fact, as for personal or apparent insults?, so its ok for your swipe at my apparent lack of football knowledge, and again your assumptions i have no knowledge in the game, or education- because you apparently have.
DS good luck in your quest- anal ise away professor

MT, I do have coaching qualifications and am in the process for applying to do the C license.

I insult came in response to your labeling of Hamilton's coaching as "atrocious" as having seen the team play from the previous season (same squad bar a couple of new additions) to now and the range of tactical adaptions I have seen them make at various points, I believe their footballing education is of a fairly high quality. My comment regarding my own education was in response to you claiming that I plagiarized my words from Google, which I did not, and I did not criticize your lack of education, just your lack of consideration for different in-game strategies and tactical alterations. I will admit my initial comment that you have zero football knowledge was inappropriate and I apologise for that, however I am a massive advocate of teams/coaches who can play expansive football, expose opposition weaknesses and alter/adapt their game-plan to obtain results, not merely being stubborn to playing the 'Barcelona' possession game.

[monz6]

Criticising undefeated teams based on the way they play... Blaming it as a partial on Australia being so low ranked... how does it compare

[Bearlover]

Only saw the Under 17's game and I agree it was entertaining. Olympic had the majority of chances in the 1st half and I thought Magic's goal was against the run of play. Olympic's equaliser came from a quality set piece and hung on for the draw despite Magic having some chances in the closing minutes. If it wasn't for quality goal keeping from the Olympic No. 1, Magic would have one it. 58 points out of a possible 60, I don't think anyone should criticise the coaching, playing talent or style of play.

[death_sphere]

I thought the word atrocious is a greek word of complement. my bad

so grassroots coaching ticket hey hmmmm
apology accepted,
its all opinions, move on, its been long ball enough discussion
new topic and argument required:pissup:

MT, glad we could kiss and makeup. The two points I wanted to make was that there is a difference between aimlessly pumping the ball into the box or towards a number 9 to try win an aerial battle and releasing wide players early in space to exploit teams with a high line.
The other is that I have seen plenty of games where Hamilton under 17s have comfortably kept possession for long periods of time.

[outsider]

MT, glad we could kiss and makeup. The two points I wanted to make was that there is a difference between aimlessly pumping the ball into the box or towards a number 9 to try win an aerial battle and releasing wide players early in space to exploit teams with a high line.
The other is that I have seen plenty of games where Hamilton under 17s have comfortably kept possession for long periods of time.

They need to know how to pump the ball aimlessly up field to the No 9 otherwise they wont know how to play NPL or New FM football

[terryk]

I don't need Google to construct a few sentences and arguments (again highlighting your lack of sensible argument on matter as well as your inability to count - 3 paragraphs, not 5), not to mention I am a university academic. I believe your football knowledge may unfortunately be lacking if you can only see the game as being either a long ball game or not. You are missing the point I am making in acknowledging the finer details of tactical game plans, and that is what bothers me. You'd think someone with a UEFA Pro License would have a broader understanding of game strategy.

I am curious to know your coaching/football history over the past few years if you are willing to share? I understand if you prefer not to disclose such information.

Not that it matters but whats coaching/football history over the past few years if you are willing to share?

[terryk]

MT, glad we could kiss and makeup. The two points I wanted to make was that there is a difference between aimlessly pumping the ball into the box or towards a number 9 to try win an aerial battle and releasing wide players early in space to exploit teams with a high line.
The other is that I have seen plenty of games where Hamilton under 17s have comfortably kept possession for long periods of time.

I thought you two weren't talking...

[Long ball advocate]

Totally agree with death_sphere on his point. I was at the 17s game, big crowd, big atmosphere. I thought Olympic were on top in the first half and the start of the 2nd, magic had a few chances towards the end with the Olympic keeper keeping them in the game. What Olympic were doing was not "long balls" as you say. They were trying to exploit magic through their pacy wingers who were causing trouble to magics backs. It was a great game. I've only see a few games of Olympic but I've seen every other team and Olympic have been the best team from what I have seen. In mother Theresa's case, I do respect everybody's opinion, but I do not like his use of the words "long balls" to dampen Olympics fantastic season, they deserve every accolade they got.

[Beast]

Question, so what constitutes a long ball?
1. a ball played from a midfielder over the top of the forward for him to run onto. Do you classify this as a long ball?

2. a ball player from a defender over the top of the midfield to a forward. Do you classify this as a long ball?

3. a ball played from a left midfielder on the sideline across to a right midfielder on the other sideline for a quick counter attack. Ball covers same distance as 2. Do you classify this as a long ball?

All depends on your personal interpretation or do people see it as the distance the ball travels.

[GazFish35]

The ball is round not long.

[death_sphere]

Question, so what constitutes a long ball?
1. a ball played from a midfielder over the top of the forward for him to run onto. Do you classify this as a long ball?

2. a ball player from a defender over the top of the midfield to a forward. Do you classify this as a long ball?

3. a ball played from a left midfielder on the sideline across to a right midfielder on the other sideline for a quick counter attack. Ball covers same distance as 2. Do you classify this as a long ball?

All depends on your personal interpretation or do people see it as the distance the ball travels.

I think this is a very valid point/question. When someone refers to a team as a 'long ball' team, I interpret it as a team who aimless loft the ball forward in the hope that their target man will win an aerial duel. Often I have seen the emrging jets and youth teams central defeders playing direct balls to the feet or their front 3. I suppose it's up to interpretation as to whether that is considered a long ball.

Also, saying a team is a long ball team because their goalkeeper is kicking it forward to halfway seems a little harsh. If a team squeezes up high enough on their opposition the goalkeeper often has no other option. Furthermore, a team who opt not to play out as often as they usually do due to weather/ground conditions can't be consitituted as a long ball team. Another example would be the Netherlands at the World Cup. Van Persie's headed goal from a long, measured diagonal ball was exellent. However, would a coach that advocates tika taka football rather he didn't play that ball between the centre backs and rather turn out and play his central defender again?

Whichever way you intepret it, it isn't black and white at all. Different game situations and strategies I suppose determine what a long ball is.

[death_sphere]

what defines a long ball?
very simple- now listen
the coach from HOFC calling out the whole game to the HOFC goalkeeper to kick the shit out of the round Nike ball to the striker or anyone in blue in the other half of the field.
wholly shit - how did i go with that explanation, extremely technical, was a whiteboard needed for this.
F$#K i am a football genius.
new topic, and stop telling your HOFC parents to google football explanations of the long ball

Come on now MT. Just when I thought we were making progress with you. Simmer down the comments and profanities. Beast brought up an interesting point. Also, the jibes/comments at HOFC parents and coaches and Greeks are getting old. Don't tell me you are the Magic 17's coach? Or better still, maybe you're Big Rob Virgili or Glen Chapman and are upset that none of your top 3 grades made the finals :P

[death_sphere]

The ball is round not long.

The pitch is fairly long, not round too gazza!

[death_sphere]

Not that it matters but whats coaching/football history over the past few years if you are willing to share?

I'm assuming you mean to ask my football/coaching history is, in which case I have a 71% win ratio on Football Manager with Leeds United over the past 3 seasons. Even snaked an FA Cup win! ;)

[death_sphere]

No Magic here, just love the rivalry between the 2.
And a football fan thats it, DS always happy
Just a reminder though, didn't Magic win the last 3 years, State Cup etc.
I cant recall HOFC- remind me?? thats right best schnitzel in town.
Seriously, as you said i thought we could move on to another topic, but the long ball debate is obviously a burning issue.
Lastly, watching the game- full-time score was 1-1, no extra time, and if i recall you were chasing the game 1-0 down for approx 60 minutes, then to be down 3-1 in penalties. was that the tactic?
The only team that beat Magic was themselves, missing 2 chances to beat the unbeatable s, yes the end result was 4-3 to Olympic well done

At least we can agree on something.. it is a great rivalry. Your facts are spot on MT. Magic had the opportunity to equall the Northern NSW state record for 4 grand final wins in a row this season but neither 1st's, 22s or 19s could back up finals appearances this year. Magic's unusual capitulation this season is another great debate I'd love to hear everyone's opinions on, however this is only the NPL youth forum.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the long ball debate. It was interesting hearing others' opinions though as opposed to us two going back and forth!

And yes, you are correct in that Olympic were trailing for much of the game. I also recall Olympic squandering three opportunites before the goal was scored which all came from wide attacks. Magic's goal came from their first attack. To their credit they didn't sit back and soak up pressure after going 1-0 ahead either. Tactics go out the window during shootouts obviously and Magic were extremely unlucky being 3-1 up. But at that point in the season it is all about mental preparation for such situations and Magic didn't take their 2 chances to win the game. Who knows, perhaps Mother Teresa herself spiritually guided Hamilton to victory!! ;)

[GO AWAY]

Long ball, tika taka whatever ... lets move on

Hamilton were the best team in the comp 58 points out of 60 says it all.

Magic were lucky to get there if anyone, to tell you the truth, to many individuals and constant arguing, if i was from either of these sides, id be looking for a coach at another team who can teach you to play long ( when its required ), so you can start playing possession, playing possession ( when its required ) to start playing long and getting in behind the defence, CCB and Weston spring to mind.

As a side note, Azzuri defeated magic both times this season, and were only done by long ball olympic both times by innocuous penalty decisions. Its the stupis decisions by NNSW to give some teams six points ( MAGIC / EDGEWORTH ) while making azzuri play one game less.

IMO it would have been a OLYMPIC/AZZURI GF but lets move on.

[FMC]

If you take a look magic was not in the top 2 all year they only got in top 4 like edgeworth with the double point rounds !!!

[FMC]

sorry CCB was round 10 and 11
well done

MT do you have a son in the 17's NPL comp ??

[italian stallion]

mt not many people in newcastle has a uefa pro license.you wouldnt happen to be a former a league coach that was sacked are you"?

[italian stallion]

or could you just be full of poo.which team are you currently coaching or have recently coached

[italian stallion]

mt it explains why you said the coaching was atrocious because you would be an expert on that subject.also i do recall you saying at one of your so called master classes that there wasnt no right or wrong way to coach

[380]

mt not many people in newcastle has a uefa pro license.you wouldnt happen to be a former a league coach that was sacked are you"?

Sacked , if it is then he wasn't sacked soon enough FFS.

[italian stallion]

im sorry everyone mt is full of poo nobody in newcastle has a uefa pro license. gve doesnt he only has his A license

[italian stallion]

mt your full of crap.its not hard to find out who has a uefa pro license.why lie?

[Bremsstrahlung]

:hijack:

There was at least a little constructive debating earlier, now it has just descended into a dick-waving thread.

[Why Blue]

:hijack:

There was at least a little constructive debating earlier, now it has just descended into a dick-waving thread.

Agreed.................can you blokes take your crap elsewhere so this thread can be used to talk about its intended purpose.
NOT how big a wanker each of you are !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Why Blue]

[QUOTE=mother theresa;91339]Hey Whyblue
you go on about personal attacks and then call people wankers?
Its obvious it takes one to know one.

Rumour Mill YBLUE- can u confirm?
CCB have trialled 19's this week, and requested a shy under $800 in full payment by next week? The source was on the religous thread, under Lamington Drive, and then CCB 2014 player payments needed.

OK you got me....................and I apologise, but my point was/still is lets cut the personal crap and talk about Youth football.

As for CCB 19's no clue, just hope all seniors are paid in full before my young bloke trials next month :grin:

Back to Youth football, did anyone get to see Bill Turner Cup Final on wed night, Hunter Sports V Cavendish Road. Cav Rd won 4-0 but what a cracker game, two great teams Hunter Sports just outplayed on the night but great effort to make final. Cav Rd are a credit to both their school and Brisbane Roar Youth Academy and shows what can be done when people work together, not like here where EJ program seems to work against Hunter Sports program. the First thing GVE should do if he is serious about youth development is travel to Brisbane and ask if they could show him how a real youth development program is run.

[Why Blue]

[QUOTE=Why Blue;91340]

now for once you are right
every other state can get there shit in order, and align except NNSWF

does that mean I was wrong every other time ????

But seriously when I say GVE should ask................i mean he should beg.........if that is what Brisbane are offering their youth than hats off to them they will be eventual winner as youth filters thru. Jets have it right with Jets Youth...................just really need to rethink current EJ program...........IMHO

[Bremsstrahlung]

What can be done differently?
What would you like to see happen?

[Why Blue]

What can be done differently?
What would you like to see happen?

Good Questions and I dont claim to have all the answers but..........................

1. Do we need the EJ Program ?? now with NPL Youth in place we have a top level competition that players can compete in. Distribute existing EJ kids thru NPL clubs to strengthen clubs, then NNSWF could do what it is supposed to do..................develop football for ALL players. Help clubs with coaching etc. It is all working towards this now with club accreditation, coach accreditation etc lets concentrate efforts towards this.

2. If we must have an EJ program make it FREE yes no $$$$$ ( sorry to all at Northern who have just spurted coffee everywhere ) If program is free than kids can be removed/replaced, currently you pay your money you are in, all year no matter what. Imagine spotting a kid 1/2 way thru season and being able to give him/her a chance..............wow novel concept. Imagine a kid gets injury for say 6-8 weeks, bring in a new kid, give him/her some development, who knows what might happen. But currently kid gets hurt, kid has bad attitude, kid form drops or just not handling program no worries kid stays in program, potential places for development taken by kids unable or unwilling to participate. If program is truly about development than kids should be able to be replaced.

In my "perfect" world if we really need an EJ program than run it separate to NPL, ie a training squad, one for each age group that is picked from players with in the NPL comp. They can train once a week, play scheduled games against appropriate competition ( sydney etc ) every month or so. The squad IS interchangeable so if a kid has been in good form in NPL they can move into squad as such if a child is not performing for what ever reason they can be removed from the squad. This squad would also be basis for National and State titles that NNSW compete in.

Just a start................discuss

[Why Blue]

Rumour Mill YBLUE- can u confirm?
CCB have trialled 19's this week, and requested a shy under $800 in full payment by next week? The source was on the religous thread, under Lamington Drive, and then CCB 2014 player payments needed.

Just a question, if you have been selected and want to play for club ie in this case U/19 CCB what is problem with paying ??? My belief is that all clubs seek payment once selected, it commits you, nothing worse than picking A over B only for A to go elsewhere so you go back to B but he has committed to another club etc etc ..............

[hamburgler]

Good Questions and I dont claim to have all the answers but..........................

1. Do we need the EJ Program ?? now with NPL Youth in place we have a top level competition that players can compete in. Distribute existing EJ kids thru NPL clubs to strengthen clubs, then NNSWF could do what it is supposed to do..................develop football for ALL players. Help clubs with coaching etc. It is all working towards this now with club accreditation, coach accreditation etc lets concentrate efforts towards this.

2. If we must have an EJ program make it FREE yes no $$$$$ ( sorry to all at Northern who have just spurted coffee everywhere ) If program is free than kids can be removed/replaced, currently you pay your money you are in, all year no matter what. Imagine spotting a kid 1/2 way thru season and being able to give him/her a chance..............wow novel concept. Imagine a kid gets injury for say 6-8 weeks, bring in a new kid, give him/her some development, who knows what might happen. But currently kid gets hurt, kid has bad attitude, kid form drops or just not handling program no worries kid stays in program, potential places for development taken by kids unable or unwilling to participate. If program is truly about development than kids should be able to be replaced.

In my "perfect" world if we really need an EJ program than run it separate to NPL, ie a training squad, one for each age group that is picked from players with in the NPL comp. They can train once a week, play scheduled games against appropriate competition ( sydney etc ) every month or so. The squad IS interchangeable so if a kid has been in good form in NPL they can move into squad as such if a child is not performing for what ever reason they can be removed from the squad. This squad would also be basis for National and State titles that NNSW compete in.

Just a start................discuss

Why Blue, I couldn't agree more - if the clubs are fair dinkum and the NPL is successful in developing youth players, according to the FFA curriculum, then why not have the EJ players play for a club with quality coaching? As you said, the best of the best could then be called into an elite squad. And those players who step up and develop throughout the season could then be called in mid-year.

You would still find the political enviornment and the club and/or parents connections will be a big factor in selection to the higher level.

[Why Blue]

You would still find the political enviornment and the club and/or parents connections will be a big factor in selection to the higher level.

So true, would love stats on kids in EJ, Macquarie, Hunter, Newcastle whose parents have been involved with club or higher, ie committee, coaching etc

from what i saw most every child involved had an "active" parent.

[MFKS]

Good Questions and I dont claim to have all the answers but..........................

1. Do we need the EJ Program ?? now with NPL Youth in place we have a top level competition that players can compete in. Distribute existing EJ kids thru NPL clubs to strengthen clubs, then NNSWF could do what it is supposed to do..................develop football for ALL players. Help clubs with coaching etc. It is all working towards this now with club accreditation, coach accreditation etc lets concentrate efforts towards this.

2. If we must have an EJ program make it FREE yes no $$$$$ ( sorry to all at Northern who have just spurted coffee everywhere ) If program is free than kids can be removed/replaced, currently you pay your money you are in, all year no matter what. Imagine spotting a kid 1/2 way thru season and being able to give him/her a chance..............wow novel concept. Imagine a kid gets injury for say 6-8 weeks, bring in a new kid, give him/her some development, who knows what might happen. But currently kid gets hurt, kid has bad attitude, kid form drops or just not handling program no worries kid stays in program, potential places for development taken by kids unable or unwilling to participate. If program is truly about development than kids should be able to be replaced.

In my "perfect" world if we really need an EJ program than run it separate to NPL, ie a training squad, one for each age group that is picked from players with in the NPL comp. They can train once a week, play scheduled games against appropriate competition ( sydney etc ) every month or so. The squad IS interchangeable so if a kid has been in good form in NPL they can move into squad as such if a child is not performing for what ever reason they can be removed from the squad. This squad would also be basis for National and State titles that NNSW compete in.

Just a start................discuss

Considering the current clubs can't develop quality players who make an impact on the HAL and can't produce Socceroos they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near them.

The EJ can change and improve some aspects of their set up but to claim the NPL clubs are the answer when they have done **** all in the last 40 years is ****ing laughable

[Why Blue]

Considering the current clubs can't develop quality players who make an impact on the HAL and can't produce Socceroos they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near them.

The EJ can change and improve some aspects of their set up but to claim the NPL clubs are the answer when they have done **** all in the last 40 years is ****ing laughable

You seem to be constantly complaining about the poor level of quality available in the NPL, NEW FM, Zone etc correct ???

NPL Youth is in its first year, lets give it a chance, from what I have seen clubs are getting behind it as they realize it could provide some kids in the years to come.

Maybe what we need to do is stop trying to develop socceroo's and maybe concentrate more on developing kids thru club environment give them a path that they can see, rather than leading down a road that will probably, for most, crash head on with some sort of failure.

[MFKS]

You seem to be constantly complaining about the poor level of quality available in the NPL, NEW FM, Zone etc correct ???

NPL Youth is in its first year, lets give it a chance, from what I have seen clubs are getting behind it as they realize it could provide some kids in the years to come.

Maybe what we need to do is stop trying to develop socceroo's and maybe concentrate more on developing kids thru club environment give them a path that they can see, rather than leading down a road that will probably, for most, crash head on with some sort of failure.

I think we stopped worrying about developing Socceroos players a long time ago.

Whilst ever our aim is to not be producing the best in the country we are selling ourselves short. It should be our goal to be looking at our NT and being able to see quite a few from the NNSW region in the squads that go to WC and not be cheering on one bloke the Jets poached from elsewhere who is just passing through our club on his career journey.

As for the EJ program yes it should be free but serious question is where is the money coming from?? Tinks already pumps his coin in and to fully fund the EJ program is looking at more of a loss to his hip pocket and considering he wants out of the Jets as if he is gonna commit to more loss??

The selection process needs to be looked at big time cause they are not getting it right. By and large the better kids are ending up there but there are quite a few slipping through the cracks that needs to stop. Hopefully in time this is rectified.

As for giving the NPL clubs a chance Yoof development has been there domain for a couple of hundred years. Results are in and they ain't pretty.

To rely solely on them when the joints are run by volunteers with varying levels of abilities and then add in the fact that NPL clubs are more focused on winning a trophy by buying a side to win the comp then you could argue yoof development is not at the fore front of their goals

[Why Blue]

I think we stopped worrying about developing Socceroos players a long time ago.

Whilst ever our aim is to not be producing the best in the country we are selling ourselves short. It should be our goal to be looking at our NT and being able to see quite a few from the NNSW region in the squads that go to WC and not be cheering on one bloke the Jets poached from elsewhere who is just passing through our club on his career journey.

As for the EJ program yes it should be free but serious question is where is the money coming from?? Tinks already pumps his coin in and to fully fund the EJ program is looking at more of a loss to his hip pocket and considering he wants out of the Jets as if he is gonna commit to more loss??

The selection process needs to be looked at big time cause they are not getting it right. By and large the better kids are ending up there but there are quite a few slipping through the cracks that needs to stop. Hopefully in time this is rectified.

As for giving the NPL clubs a chance Yoof development has been there domain for a couple of hundred years. Results are in and they ain't pretty.

To rely solely on them when the joints are run by volunteers with varying levels of abilities and then add in the fact that NPL clubs are more focused on winning a trophy by buying a side to win the comp then you could argue yoof development is not at the fore front of their goals

fundamentally I can agree with a lot of what you say.

We need to give a pathway for talented youth and we should be striving for best practice and yes wouldn't it be great to see a local lad in next world cup and again in 2022 etc

As for cost, well tinks doesn't fully fund EJ program,it is a joint venture between FFA, NNSWF & Jets equally funded and I'm sure with approx 150 kids kicking $850 each that goes a long way towards program. If it was only training squads the program would be cheaper to run, less of everything including coaches which would have to be a good thing. Maybe a $100 fee if in squad, refundable if replaced and new kid in pays $100 to cover insurance etc and if only a training squad they only need a training strip, not several and jackets and hoodies and, and........

Selection process is biggest single issue but is so subjective. Again if you didn't pay $850 and your place wasn't secure it might be different. Then the believe that once in the "system" child progresses at a superior rate so really cant ever be taken out........................crap. But also EJ personal need to watch NPL youth games, week in week out, they cant because they have their own team participating. If they watch they can invite new players in, not just rely on poaching kids from Mariners Academy ( which is defunct now ) that is just lazy and frankly an insult to kids playing NPL in local area.

But i still think we need to give clubs a chance, yes some do better jobs than others but now with NPL requirements I think all clubs are getting behind Youth and i think time will show results.

[death_sphere]

I think the NPL deserves a bit more of a chance. The restructure provides that coaches need certain qualifications rather than Billy Blogg's dad taking over last minute. It might not have an immediate impact but I believe the idea is to creating a larger pool regarding better learning environments. I believe there are discussions being undertaken by Northern to eventually reduce the available points for each club's first grade squad, placing more emphasis on youth development. Obviously they are allowing time to filter out the current generation of first grader players who club hop like they're changing their undies. I think it will prove to be successful in the future.

As for kids slipping through the cracks, it's a hard one. Players develop at a different rate. One kid might reach his potential at 17, another at 20. It may also depend on their learning environment. One kid might thrive in the EJ program whereas another might struggle but have a field day playing for an NPL side.

Either way you look at it, the restructure has shown that the federation are trying to create a better overall environment for youth development. I think what hurts the process is the constant changing. They need to settle on a structure and allow it to run its course. And in Newcastle's case, better facilities would not go astray!

[italian stallion]

billy bloggs dad has his uefa pro license.he got it with mother theresa

[MFKS]

fundamentally I can agree with a lot of what you say.

We need to give a pathway for talented youth and we should be striving for best practice and yes wouldn't it be great to see a local lad in next world cup and again in 2022 etc

As for cost, well tinks doesn't fully fund EJ program,it is a joint venture between FFA, NNSWF & Jets equally funded and I'm sure with approx 150 kids kicking $850 each that goes a long way towards program. If it was only training squads the program would be cheaper to run, less of everything including coaches which would have to be a good thing. Maybe a $100 fee if in squad, refundable if replaced and new kid in pays $100 to cover insurance etc and if only a training squad they only need a training strip, not several and jackets and hoodies and, and........

Selection process is biggest single issue but is so subjective. Again if you didn't pay $850 and your place wasn't secure it might be different. Then the believe that once in the "system" child progresses at a superior rate so really cant ever be taken out........................crap. But also EJ personal need to watch NPL youth games, week in week out, they cant because they have their own team participating. If they watch they can invite new players in, not just rely on poaching kids from Mariners Academy ( which is defunct now ) that is just lazy and frankly an insult to kids playing NPL in local area.

But i still think we need to give clubs a chance, yes some do better jobs than others but now with NPL requirements I think all clubs are getting behind Youth and i think time will show results.


In an ideal world the Jets should be fully funding the EJ program but hey we don't live in an ideal world. I can fully understand Tinks not wearing the full cost but this is issue relates squarely on the shoulders of the FFA. The professional game currently runs at a loss as we are paying players far too much in wages in the HAL so clubs are not putting in place expensive junior programs cause they can not afford to do so.

Thing is in time the kids will be stronger as the years of development in the EJ system take hold and the recruitment aspect will be better by the Jets that locals will not be getting a look in at later ages and the only time they will be bringing kids in from outside will be when they find a young gun from outside the system which is fair enough if they can pick up the next Rogic Taggart Viduka Kewell etc

As for the now yes they should be out scouting the NPL Yoof right now every week regardless of them playing. What does the blokes in charge of the EJ do?? The EJ play 1 day a week and the other day of the weekend they ain't playing the lot of them should be off viewing the NPL Yoof games across the Hunter to identify future talent so they are inviting the right kids to trial and get in the system


As for the NPL I see its role as being slightly different. The NPL is to increase the mean standard of play across the game so the better kids are exposed to higher standards and are thus more talented by the time they rise to the top

Just like the coaching curriculum isn't the bee all and end all of things. It is just increasing the knowledge and football IQ we have which is sadly drastically behind the rest of the world. The more Football IQ we have the smarter we become and new ideas can flourish.

[Why Blue]

I think the NPL deserves a bit more of a chance. The restructure provides that coaches need certain qualifications rather than Billy Blogg's dad taking over last minute. It might not have an immediate impact but I believe the idea is to creating a larger pool regarding better learning environments. I believe there are discussions being undertaken by Northern to eventually reduce the available points for each club's first grade squad, placing more emphasis on youth development. Obviously they are allowing time to filter out the current generation of first grader players who club hop like they're changing their undies. I think it will prove to be successful in the future.

As for kids slipping through the cracks, it's a hard one. Players develop at a different rate. One kid might reach his potential at 17, another at 20. It may also depend on their learning environment. One kid might thrive in the EJ program whereas another might struggle but have a field day playing for an NPL side.

Either way you look at it, the restructure has shown that the federation are trying to create a better overall environment for youth development. I think what hurts the process is the constant changing. They need to settle on a structure and allow it to run its course. And in Newcastle's case, better facilities would not go astray!

I agree, NPL Youth comp has had 1 year. Lets give it some time.

I am lucky enough to have been involved with both EJ & NPL Youth and in my opinion with in age group I watch there are at least 10 kids that could go from NPL to EJ with out any problems. Probably more if they had some exposure to better coaching.
On the flip side i have seen kids go from EJ to NPL and they dont look to have lost anything.

Clubs know they have to develop youth and most are taking it fairly seriously, those clubs will benefit Im sure, time will tell

[Footyhead]

NNSW were supposed to announce EJ squads on 30th Sept or at least invited kids by this date, but have heard they're delaying til 7th Oct which comes after some clubs trialling for their NPL teams? Can anyone offer any light on this ?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Are the kids not allowed to trial at other clubs?

If they are, what's the problem?

[Thomas477]

Does it matter? They're kids ffs.

[Why Blue]

Are the kids not allowed to trial at other clubs?

If they are, what's the problem?

The problem is that in previous years clubs have held trials only for NNSWF/Emerging Jets to come along afterwards and offer kids positions with in their programs.
Kids take these positions and leave holes in club team, previously these holes were difficult to fill as clubs had trialled, positions filled etc.
So this year at the request of NNSWF all clubs were to hold trials after 1st Oct. this was to allow EJ trials etc to take place and positions offered/accepted. Clubs could then go about holding trails and offering positions, knowing that they should not lose to EJ program.
Just would be nice for NNSWF to stick to something, they requested Oct 1st, they should have there selection done ready to move forward

[GO AWAY]

The whole program has been a schmozzle from the start, when coaches sons/coaches mates sons etc etc start getting picked it shows what a farce it is. Spread the talent through the NBN elite, let them learn a club culture and pick triallists for the jets youth team once they reach the required age from watching the NBN, theres enough coaching certificates needed at NPL Youth now to know they will be coached to a good level. Only got to look at Azzuri with Mark Wilson doing 13s through to Greg Smith doing 17s.

[Why Blue]

Gonna be fun down at Magic Park tonite.............NPL trials, existing kids threatened not to trial elsewhere whilst club keeps offering positions to EJ kids who have left the EJ program.................gonna be a full bus.

Maybe they forgot you can only have 16

[ForeverRed]

cant believe the rubbish some clubs go on with in regards to NPL Youth, its developement, not trophy hunting for mum and dad

[Footyhead]

cant believe the rubbish some clubs go on with in regards to NPL Youth, its developement, not trophy hunting for mum and dad

Well unfortunately that's the way it is. Case in point... this year's CCB U14s that won the GF are primarily from Macquarie Football. When they conducted trials around this time last year, the (then) current players trailed against the Macquarie players plus a few others. All but 2 of the current players were selected with the rest Macquarie except for one kid who was selected even though he didn't trial because he was injured... he was an Emerging Jet. The former CCB team made the grand final in 2012, narrowly missed the finals in 2013. They were a decent bunch of players and with DEVELOPMENT would have progressed well. Now those players are everywhere with some not even playing.
Also, the new coach was from Macquarie, coached the team that came over to replace the former team, dunno why they even held trials... may as well have told the former kids to piss off, they have a newer, better team to replace them.

[Why Blue]

Well unfortunately that's the way it is. Case in point... this year's CCB U14s that won the GF are primarily from Macquarie Football. When they conducted trials around this time last year, the (then) current players trailed against the Macquarie players plus a few others. All but 2 of the current players were selected with the rest Macquarie except for one kid who was selected even though he didn't trial because he was injured... he was an Emerging Jet. The former CCB team made the grand final in 2012, narrowly missed the finals in 2013. They were a decent bunch of players and with DEVELOPMENT would have progressed well. Now those players are everywhere with some not even playing.
Also, the new coach was from Macquarie, coached the team that came over to replace the former team, dunno why they even held trials... may as well have told the former kids to piss off, they have a newer, better team to replace them.

Bit of perspective here footyhead. The Macquarie players were finished at Macquarie. Over for them, they had to go back to a club. Many of them decided to stick together.......the coach, well he was just returning to a club he had played at and had allegiances with.
Trials last year were fair with several selectors, not just coach...........there was 4 watching............

The same thing happened other clubs............many Newcastle reps went to Olympic/Magic & Jaffa's...........Macquarie reps went to CCB, Edgeworth, Lake's.
Ex EJ players went to three different clubs so were scattered

And you would have to say that players who went to CCB developed over the year..........first game against Olympic they lost 5-0.......then 2nd round 1-0 than end of season won GF 2-1.......that shows progress.
The NPL was introduced last year and is a whole new concept for youth. The previous CCB team you refer to played what grade in 2012 ??? and what grade in 2013 ??

Anyway you will be happy to know that CCB held trials for 2015 U/15 last night, open trial advertised, not invite only as per some. Three selectors were present so everything was fair and there were changes............6 new faces from different clubs who by their own choice decided to try and better themselves by being part of a good team with a great coach.

So if thats trophy hunting so be it.............

[Why Blue]

like it or not, every club wants a quality team, however some clubs, that have plenty to say, dispose whole teams continually year on year, and others tick a box.
now that CCB missed some jets players, as it reads, they believe they deserved them? didnt you win the comp- why change at all...if you are that good.
nothing will ever change in Newy when it comes to football...forever red if you want a trophy, buy 1, there cheap.

Why change ??? because of progress MT, some kids move up.......EJ's some move on..........some kids want to come and join a club that had success so they could try and better themselves ...............that necessitates change

[Why Blue]

That's beautiful- i love Charlestown, they are so good- Tully has been a inspiration to the way the club is run.
well done- and good luck in season 2015

thanks...........

[Why Blue]

agree WB
however the comment regarding Magic last night etc etc, is that true?
i doubt kids were threatened, if we talk about threats, CCB also have requested fuul payments from players, NOW how isnt that a threat.
Pot calling the kettle black i think?????
Also maybe they want change, as well as Edgy, Adamstown, Weston, Lambton, Maitland, Olympic, FMNC and i yeah the Centre Of Excellence southy as well.
If we talk development,however how the hell some players were selected in the EJets for next year , and others i believe better were dropped, baffles me..
Good Luck- obviously coming last at Nationals is an achievemnet, positive was come last, best keepers in tournament, due to being busy

firstly about magic, to my knowledge yes its true and possibly worse now as kids are being asked to wait a few days for decision, whilst a select few have been secretly given spots, by this time other trials will be over

Full payments............well not till next week, but again I believe most clubs ask of this. In reality we have to pay at some time so this doesn't really bother me

Rest well I pretty much agree. Some baffling selections but change had to be made, Nationals was very poor display. It appears GVE's love of small midfielders continue at the expense of solid centre back.
Keepers...........well yeah, you get plenty of action you get the opportunity to impress, but still they did so must have played well. Lucky they took the Olympic keep...........

[Footyhead]

Bit of perspective here footyhead. The Macquarie players were finished at Macquarie. Over for them, they had to go back to a club. Many of them decided to stick together.......the coach, well he was just returning to a club he had played at and had allegiances with.
Trials last year were fair with several selectors, not just coach...........there was 4 watching............

The same thing happened other clubs............many Newcastle reps went to Olympic/Magic & Jaffa's...........Macquarie reps went to CCB, Edgeworth, Lake's.
Ex EJ players went to three different clubs so were scattered

And you would have to say that players who went to CCB developed over the year..........first game against Olympic they lost 5-0.......then 2nd round 1-0 than end of season won GF 2-1.......that shows progress.
The NPL was introduced last year and is a whole new concept for youth. The previous CCB team you refer to played what grade in 2012 ??? and what grade in 2013 ??

Anyway you will be happy to know that CCB held trials for 2015 U/15 last night, open trial advertised, not invite only as per some. Three selectors were present so everything was fair and there were changes............6 new faces from different clubs who by their own choice decided to try and better themselves by being part of a good team with a great coach.

So if thats trophy hunting so be it.............

Thanks WB, I'm not so much having a go at the Macq kids or the coach and not saying it was the coach was the only selector, just feel sorry for the former CCB team who were superseded. FYI, prior to introduction of the NPL, they played in the A grade in 2012, 2013. As you say, the rep kids had to go somewhere. Magic's NPL 14s side did nothing this year YET their interdistrict 14A grade side killed it, won their comp easily, never lost a game.

[Footyhead]

obviously coming last at Nationals is an achievemnet, positive was come last, best keepers in tournament, due to being busy

The 15s EJ squad for next year retains 10 EJ kids but includes 2 CCB and 2 Hamilton kids... some reward for the grand finalists. If CCB won the GF, how many of that winning team will be kept for next year... any idea WB ?

[Why Blue]

Thanks WB, I'm not so much having a go at the Macq kids or the coach and not saying it was the coach was the only selector, just feel sorry for the former CCB team who were superseded. FYI, prior to introduction of the NPL, they played in the A grade in 2012, 2013. As you say, the rep kids had to go somewhere. Magic's NPL 14s side did nothing this year YET their interdistrict 14A grade side killed it, won their comp easily, never lost a game.

Yes I get it, feel for those kids as well. But given only two made the NPL team did they have go elsewhere ??? could they have stayed U/14 A grade ?? I know quite a few went to Magic...who of course won the U/13A last year, so some CCB players wanted to better themselves.
Reality is that the Newcastle/Macquarie/Hunter/EJ kids all existed and vast majority had to go to club thru no choice of their own.

As for Magic U/14 NPL side doing nothing, bloody hell the teams that finished 4th to last must have been terrible, 3rd is pretty good in my eyes and yes they would play the pants of the 14A team. How many 14A making it into 15 NPL ?????

[Why Blue]

The 15s EJ squad for next year retains 10 EJ kids but includes 2 CCB and 2 Hamilton kids... some reward for the grand finalists. If CCB won the GF, how many of that winning team will be kept for next year... any idea WB ?

yes 10 kids retained from GF side, two up to EJ's, two didn't come back and unfortunately one lost his place in the trials.