The Coaching Elephant in the Room

[pv4]

Thought it warranted its own thread.

Hersi has already apparently signed with Perth for next year. Players are re-negotiating contracts all over the league.

How do we sign players without a clear idea of who will be coaching? If we leave it till after seeing if Zane works out or not (and I wonder if there's a certain benchmark he must reach to earn a contract? If he makes the 6 does he definately get handed a new contract? And is that a wise move in itself?) will we be too late in signing the likes of Finkler, Stein, etc?

[380]

If Zane comes in at the cheapest option you can bet your left one he will get the gig.

[MFKS]

As if we would sign this finkler Bloke anyways ??

Even if we did he would be James Brown V 2.0 in my opinion.

The poor bloke struggles to get into a Victree side that is almost as shit as we are

[leftrightout]

As if we would sign this finkler Bloke anyways ??

Even if we did he would be James Brown V 2.0 in my opinion.

The poor bloke struggles to get into a Victree side that is almost as shit as we are

He does sturggle to get in victory starting 11. Yet when he does, he kills it!
Plus Muscat is a douche!

[hawk]

Thought it warranted its own thread.

Hersi has already apparently signed with Perth for next year. Players are re-negotiating contracts all over the league.

How do we sign players without a clear idea of who will be coaching? If we leave it till after seeing if Zane works out or not (and I wonder if there's a certain benchmark he must reach to earn a contract? If he makes the 6 does he definately get handed a new contract? And is that a wise move in itself?) will we be too late in signing the likes of Finkler, Stein, etc?

need to look at all possiblilities for new coach recruitment regardless of how zane goes.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Need to scout out a quality coach for at least 2-3 years. Get Zane to learn off him if the whole "local" coach mentality is still strong, and give him a chance after that. Sick of messing around with coaches. I agree with the sentiment that if we leave it much longer a) all the good coaches are gone. b) players won't commit to the club, unless $$$$ is spent (which it wont be).

It'll probably be Bridges.

[BodyNovo]

on the fink

think of flores and victory than think of flores and his early stint at gypos. i.e if they play to match his style he will kill it

re new coach.

if a excellent option became available i reckon clayton would not be given the job regardless of the team making the 6.

just give okon or papas the job, give them free reign!

[seldom]

Need to scout out a quality coach for at least 2-3 years. Get Zane to learn off him if the whole "local" coach mentality is still strong, and give him a chance after that. Sick of messing around with coaches. I agree with the sentiment that if we leave it much longer a) all the good coaches are gone. b) players won't commit to the club, unless $$$$ is spent (which it wont be).

It'll probably be Bridges.

lol......jets scout=some numpty on an all you can eat and drink paid holiday

[belchardo]

lol......jets scout=some numpty on an all you can eat and drink paid holiday

c'mon, lowey wasn't that bad! :D

[prawnhead]

c'mon, lowey wasn't that bad! :D

Not as good as Remo - during his tenure he brought only quality to the club.

[halo se7en]

That presser of Remo proudly declaring we'd signed Jardel is still etched into my brain….

[furns]

Now that Milicic went to Socceroos, I am firmly on the Okon In bandwagon.

[Jeterpool]

Now that Milicic went to Socceroos, I am firmly on the Okon In bandwagon.

Welcome

[Blackmac79]

Papas!

[GazFish35]

Zelic and okon.

Would wipe the park with poppa and ante.


And the press conferences would be great

[joel31]

Zelic and okon.

Would wipe the park with poppa and ante.


And the press conferences would be great
if u want press conferences you cant get better than Miron Bleiberg

[The Dunster]

iiiiiiiiiiinndividual brilliance.

[Jetmaster]

The bogans in Newy couldn't handle Miron....he is the A-League version of the "Special One"....

He did get the best out of James Brown though.

[380]

James who ?.

[belchardo]

We need a coach from manchester, newcastle (uk), milan, london, munich or any other ****ing city that has a real derby.

Sick of losing these games and nobody inside the club giving a shit.

[Thomas477]

Zane is not the answer.

[belchardo]

Zane is not the answer.

A-****ing-men

[Pico]

We need a coach from manchester, newcastle (uk), milan, london, munich or any other ****ing city that has a real derby.

Sick of losing these games and nobody inside the club giving a shit.
I'm just glad we really focused on being switched on for the first 20mins of the match as per Zane's presser the other day.

Shame birraz was off cooling his jets after punching on with his team mate when they discussed that crucial tactic.

[belchardo]

Would have been happy if they'd been switched on for the first 5 minutes.

[Thomas477]

Also plays on the ****ing posts. It's not ****ing difficult.

**** me.

[Pico]

We are a club who aspire to the dizzing heights of the bottom 45% of our league, who is really going to want to take a job with us, with an owner who could careless about our existence, and a "hands on" admin that are free from accountability, a club with a history of coach sackings, poor performance, no finals and all in a salary capped league.

Zane is still infinitely better then the bridges alternative.

[GazFish35]

We are a club who aspire to the dizzing heights of the bottom 45% of our league, who is really going to want to take a job with us, with an owner who could careless about our existence, and a "hands on" admin that are free from accountability, a club with a history of coach sackings, poor performance, no finals and all in a salary capped league.

Zane is still infinitely better then the bridges alternative.


Gombau could coach us via skype.

We'd come second to Adelaide but that's better than 8th

[Pico]

8th that's optimistic.

I'm surprised that more teams have not figured us out yet

Beating the hunter sports group hunter ports Newcastle united jets football club 101.
1-give them the ball.
2-????
3-????
4-celebrate with your fans

[halo se7en]

Would have been happy if they'd been switched on for the first 5 minutes.

Or even the first 37 seconds. If I was the Mariners coach, I'd still want to know why Bosnar was taking a FK from almost 50m.

[Thomas477]

Middleby, "there are 3 candiates". Goes on to confirm that Arnold and Zane are two.

Methinks Lowe is the third.....

[Tommyjet]

Middleby, "there are 3 candiates". Goes on to confirm that Arnold and Zane are two.

Methinks Lowe is the third.....

Lowe as in David Lowe? if so no coaching experience and I'm sure he'd rather sit back writing for the herald

[Tommyjet]

The third one must be a coach of some experience because if they are after a young'n they would stick with zane

[plague]

The third one must be a coach of some experience because if they are after a young'n they would stick with zane

Venables.

Bring him home Tinks.

[GazFish35]

Lowe?

David or Kenny?



Seriously if the best we can aim for is arnold, Zane or Lowe we are in trouble.

[Pico]

Third probably Bridges.

We won't sign Arnold he'll end up at SFC.

I'd rather we figured out who the **** our owner is going to be before middleby locks in a new coach.

[lquiquer]

What happened to Hierro & Raul package...thought they were keen for down under holiday?

[MFKS]

What happened to Hierro & Raul package...thought they were keen for down under holiday?

I thought Perth knocked them back as thy deemed them unprofessional and not at the standards required at their club

[lquiquer]

I thought Perth knocked them back as thy deemed them unprofessional and not at the standards required at their club

And Kenny Lowe, Fergusson, Edwards were "Standards"?.... Funny part: Go to Perth wiki page and it says Arny as head coach!!!! :what:

[Tommyjet]

I thought Perth knocked them back as thy deemed them unprofessional and not at the standards required at their club

They missed sage's stupid deadline to apply therefore sage saw it as disrespectful

[MFKS]

Was more so Hierro and co hadn't been professional enough when dealing with Glory in their discussions.

Perth basically said thanks no thanks and **** off

[stopper2]

Lowe?

David or Kenny?



Seriously if the best we can aim for is arnold, Zane or Lowe we are in trouble.

Comparing Arnold to Zane and Lowe is just dumb. So what if he coached the Mariners, give the guy some credit where it's due!

[GazFish35]

Comparing Arnold to Zane and Lowe is just dumb. So what if he coached the Mariners, give the guy some credit where it's due!

did I start comparing them?
or mention the mariners?

I think we should be going for someone better than all three.

[Thomas477]

But we'll end up going for the cheapest option.

[steve136]

Arnie in ffs

[pv4]

Middleby, "there are 3 candiates". Goes on to confirm that Arnold and Zane are two.

Methinks Lowe is the third.....

The three would be Zane, Arnold & Stewart.

Honestly, I think anyone who doesn't think Arnold is the best possible choice for is is deluded. When we went GVE, we should have went Merrick. When we didn't sign Smeltz, we should have signed Smeltz. When we originally didn't sign Nathan Burns way back when, we should have. Not signing Arnold will be one of THOSE moments. If you disregard coaches that have coached bugger all games (sup Deans), I'm led to believe Arnold is statistically the best coach the HAL has seen, with the highest win percentage. When I think of the most successful coaches in the HAL, I think probably in order I'd go Ange, Arnie, Merrick (maybe I swap Merrick and Arnie around, MAYBE). Someone tell me a more successful, proven coach in the HAL than any of those three. You can't, stop hurting your head. Tim Sherwood is a gooner, Sol Campbell came from the Sp*rs, James Holland & Sash both played for CCM - turncoats happen, get the fxxx over it.

If Arnold was even still coaching a HAL team, I'd still consider him our best option. I'm not saying we should go for him because it is a simple, easy option (and ftr I don't think he'll be easy, he's over the HAL i think) - we need to get him because he's the best possible coach for us.

[leftrightout]

Tim Sherwood is a gooner, Sol Campbell came from the Sp*rs, James Holland & Sash both played for CCM - turncoats happen, get the fxxx over it.

Your a Gypo and we (somewhat) accept you.
Im all for it, Sign Arnold!

[MFKS]

The three would be Zane, Arnold & Stewart.

Honestly, I think anyone who doesn't think Arnold is the best possible choice for is is deluded. When we went GVE, we should have went Merrick. When we didn't sign Smeltz, we should have signed Smeltz. When we originally didn't sign Nathan Burns way back when, we should have. Not signing Arnold will be one of THOSE moments. If you disregard coaches that have coached bugger all games (sup Deans), I'm led to believe Arnold is statistically the best coach the HAL has seen, with the highest win percentage. When I think of the most successful coaches in the HAL, I think probably in order I'd go Ange, Arnie, Merrick (maybe I swap Merrick and Arnie around, MAYBE). Someone tell me a more successful, proven coach in the HAL than any of those three. You can't, stop hurting your head. Tim Sherwood is a gooner, Sol Campbell came from the Sp*rs, James Holland & Sash both played for CCM - turncoats happen, get the fxxx over it.

If Arnold was even still coaching a HAL team, I'd still consider him our best option. I'm not saying we should go for him because it is a simple, easy option (and ftr I don't think he'll be easy, he's over the HAL i think) - we need to get him because he's the best possible coach for us.

Agree with all written there are just a couple of issues with signing this bloke.

Firstly we need to make the playoffs next season so there is a degree of pressure on our new manager to deliver results anyway regardless of who that may be.

Compared to any other possible coaching appointment bar GVE Arnold will be on the nose the most for his Gypo connections.
Being this would be the case this bloke will be under an increased pressure to deliver. A couple of bad results under Arnold and the noose and lynch mob will be ready to go. That can add undue pressure on the playing squad who let face it have shown not much ability to deliver in the face of adversity anyways

The poor bloke will be under pressure at all times to deliver if appointed and until the bloke won us a title the bloke would always be treated under suspicion and mistrust.

Appointing this bloke could work out but we would be playing with fire and asking for trouble with it.

[plague]

Nah, I reackon 95% of the fans won't give a toss about Arnold's past.
Winning makes lots of things better.
Good on pv4 for reppin his people though.

What happened to all those Rudan rumours from months back? Is he still in the mix?

[MFKS]

Win and all is forgiven. Totally agree

Problem is Plague it is us we are talking about. Even if Arnold is some messiah in the coaching ranks he is still trying to polish a turd. We are no guarantee winning games next season even with Jose Mourinhio coaching us anyway.

All I am saying is appointing Arnold would be asking for trouble in light of no success early and continually. To me this appointment would make no sense for a smart football club. For us though Arnie will be signed this week as it is the sort of eggs in one basket shit we like doing

[Jeterpool]

The three would be Zane, Arnold & Stewart.

Honestly, I think anyone who doesn't think Arnold is the best possible choice for is is deluded. When we went GVE, we should have went Merrick. When we didn't sign Smeltz, we should have signed Smeltz. When we originally didn't sign Nathan Burns way back when, we should have. Not signing Arnold will be one of THOSE moments. If you disregard coaches that have coached bugger all games (sup Deans), I'm led to believe Arnold is statistically the best coach the HAL has seen, with the highest win percentage. When I think of the most successful coaches in the HAL, I think probably in order I'd go Ange, Arnie, Merrick (maybe I swap Merrick and Arnie around, MAYBE). Someone tell me a more successful, proven coach in the HAL than any of those three. You can't, stop hurting your head. Tim Sherwood is a gooner, Sol Campbell came from the Sp*rs, James Holland & Sash both played for CCM - turncoats happen, get the fxxx over it.

If Arnold was even still coaching a HAL team, I'd still consider him our best option. I'm not saying we should go for him because it is a simple, easy option (and ftr I don't think he'll be easy, he's over the HAL i think) - we need to get him because he's the best possible coach for us.

Well said. I agree and wouldn't be disappointed if Arnold became our coach. I'd have more faith in him than many others.


Win and all is forgiven. Totally agree

Problem is Plague it is us we are talking about. Even if Arnold is some messiah in the coaching ranks he is still trying to polish a turd. We are no guarantee winning games next season even with Jose Mourinhio coaching us anyway.

All I am saying is appointing Arnold would be asking for trouble in light of no success early and continually. To me this appointment would make no sense for a smart football club. For us though Arnie will be signed this week as it is the sort of eggs in one basket shit we like doing

I don't know if he is really polishing a turd, though, member. Is it a case we have simply selected the wrong coaches? We have some really good players here compared to the A-League standard. If we can shore up the defense and midfield then the resutls will start to come in my opinion.

I agree he'll be under pressure, but no mroe than any other coach in the league.

Also to those who are calling him a gypo and saying they'll never get over it, I ask - what are your thoughts on Sasho Petrovski? Sure he was a gypo, but while he was here he gave his all for teh shirt and scored some very important goals. He became accepted - "Sasho's a boys name!"

[Grimario]

Yeah, I don't think anyone needs to polish a turd. Our squad is pretty decent and got into winning positions in the last month but lost them due to coaching ineptitude. If we had a manager who had a reaction time better than 15 minutes, we would be playing finals football next weekend.

[plague]

Problem is Plague it is us we are talking about.

Nah mate, I didn't go to the Adelaide game, NOT A REAL FAN.

I don't get a say anymore.

[plague]

Sasho never played for Gypos.
Went from the 'gong, to us then back to the gong.

Newy legend.

[Jeterpool]

Yeah, I don't think anyone needs to polish a turd. Our squad is pretty decent and got into winning positions in the last month but lost them due to coaching ineptitude. If we had a manager who had a reaction time better than 15 minutes, we would be playing finals football next weekend.

I think ineptitude is too harsh on Zane. I perhaps call it inexperience. Unlike another coach we have had, I don't see Zane as being pig headed and sticking with something to spite people instead of making a change simply to prove a point.

[Grimario]

Nah mate, I didn't go to the Adelaide game, NOT A REAL FAN.

I don't get a say anymore.

Shit fan. Even I will travel to the Adelaide away games next season.

[Grimario]

I think ineptitude is too harsh on Zane. I perhaps call it inexperience. Unlike another coach we have had, I don't see Zane as being pig headed and sticking with something to spite people instead of making a change simply to prove a point.

No, Zane wasn't too pigheaded to make a change, just not smart enough to react to the massive change in the game until it was too late.

[furns]

The three would be Zane, Arnold & Stewart.Its not Stewart
He has already said he has turned down the opportunity to interview for the position.
Hopefully at least one of the three is Okon or Pappas. And one of those two and Arnold would be the best candidates.
Whoever ends up getting it will need to be given the reins and latitude to ensure that the club is moving in the right direction, and one voice is directing it (with no interference).

[Grimario]

Where is that 3 from by the way? Did Middleby actually say "we have only interviewed 3 people"?

The tweet I saw from Gardiner said "3 plus Arnold and Zane" or something like that. Not "3 including Arnold and Zane".

[furns]

Thats what I took from the reports as well. Three candidates were interviewed, and then Arnie became available. So they have also interviewed him.
Unsure whether Zane was part of that three, but I am sure they have held discussions with him in any event.
Am sure he knows he is an outside chance at this, however I am worried that this whole process is possibly going to be thrown up in the air with the current situation with HSG and the fact Tinks is out of money.

[pv4]

Its not Stewart
He has already said he has turned down the opportunity to interview for the position.

More like he said no when they wanted him to pay his own way over here to talk to them about it

[joel31]

More like he said no when they wanted him to pay his own way over here to talk to them about it
we could have interviewed him on Skype. Barca did that to hire Martino

[380]

Not with HSG's commodore 64

[the blue manc]

I'll throw another name out there John Aloisi

[Hunter403]

I'll throw another name out there John Aloisi

God NO!!!! He is another Zane when it comes to inexperience. Try again after 5 more years in the HAL. We need a proven entity right now.

[Thomas477]

Fits the Middleby criteria: cheap.

Who cares about experience if you can get a coach on the cheap?

[Thomas477]

Fox sports just said that Arnie has pulled out of the running to coach glory because they wanted an answer this week and we were about to launch a quite serious bid.

Hurry the **** up Middleby FFS.

[snake]

kinda hope it's zane tbh.

with a pre-season and his own squad, he could do better

[Jetmaster]

Fox sports just said that Arnie has pulled out of the running to coach glory because they wanted an answer this week and we were about to launch a quite serious bid.

Hurry the **** up Middleby FFS.

What I took from that is that he can't commit to the Smurfs until they get knocked out of the finals and Farina gets sacked. The smirk on Rudan's face indicated as much.

[Tommyjet]

The main reason I'm keen for Arnold is because he produces teams that are consistent and structured in their performances, something we have rarely seen at the jets.

[stopper2]

The main reason I'm keen for Arnold is because he produces teams that are consistent and structured in their performances, something we have rarely seen at the jets.
^^^^
This

[boz-monaut]

when have we ever seen teams that are consistent and structured in their performances?

[Blackmac79]

I want clacka to get the nod but I can only remember our 2-0 win in the final game, so don't know how good my judgement is.

[GazFish35]

when have we ever seen teams that are consistent and structured in their performances?

The lee sterry days were pretty good.

[MFKS]

The lee sterry days were pretty good.

Cattle weren't there at the time but the bloke got good performances week in week out out of his troops.

[Jeterpool]

What's to say Arnie would even want coach us? He's coached the Mariners after all so maybe he holds a grudge against us?

I still think he's waiting for Sydney.

[Tommyjet]

I reckon Sydney if they get rid of farina should go a flamboyant overseas coach, especially if adp doesn't stick around.

[The Dunster]

kinda hope it's zane tbh.

with a pre-season and his own squad, he could do better

As a fan I'd be happy to have Zane in charge. He might lack experience and all but I think he's genuinely a Jets person. That cannot be said of Arnie or any of the other imposters they will be interviewing.

[Thomas477]

As a fan I'd be happy to have Zane in charge. He might lack experience and all but I think he's genuinely a Jets person. That cannot be said of Arnie or any of the other imposters they will be interviewing.

Tbh, I could not give a shit if the coach is a jets person or not if they're successful and we start winning games. Zane is a jets man and that got us what, seventh in a ten team comp. **** that, give me a successful coach.

[hawk]

Tbh, I could not give a shit if the coach is a jets person or not if they're successful and we start winning games. Zane is a jets man and that got us what, seventh in a ten team comp. **** that, give me a successful coach.

but to have a fair suck he needs to get a couple of his prefered players in and offload a couple then see how he goes. jets sentiment? if an alien comes in and gets us to top 2 i wont care

[Tommyjet]

Big question with zane is how he would go recruiting wise

[hawk]

Big question with zane is how he would go recruiting wise

are we prepared to risk another 2 years on him?

[Tommyjet]

I would prefer zane as assistant for 2 more years then possibly given the top job if circumstances suit. Would mean finding a top dog (perhaps Arnold) that we could stand for next couple of seasons

[Thomas477]

are we prepared to risk another 2 years on him?

Would fit in with our current model.

[stopper2]

Tbh, I could not give a shit if the coach is a jets person or not if they're successful and we start winning games. Zane is a jets man and that got us what, seventh in a ten team comp. **** that, give me a successful coach.
I agree. It's all about winning games and changing this mentality we have at the club from a underachieving team just striving to make the top six (and not even achieving that) to a club which is hard to beat and is battling for silverware and playing in Asia. For anyone to say they prefer someone who is a "Jets person" (whatever that means) is such a simplistic and mediocre statement in a period where the club simply needs the best coach available whoever that may be. Where he has coached before is totally irrelevant, what is relevant is the results he has on the board and his credentials as coach!!!

[GazFish35]

Zane might be the best who wants the gig.
Or at least the cheapest.


We are kidding ourselves if we think HSG spend any money on anything at the moment.
I reckon we might be needing new owners before we worry about a new coach.

[militiamon]

I respect the fact that Graham Arnold is one of the best coaches the A-League has seen. At the same time though, I am completely dreading the possibility of him becoming our coach.

The fact that he's a former coach of The Southern Peasants has little to do with it, it's more the fact that I just don't like him as a coach.

Thankfully if it's between us and Sydney, I'm 90% sure he'll go with Sydney.
The unfortunate consequence of that is that I can't see us getting a better coach if we don't get him. I have zero confidence in management at the moment (whether it's HSG/Middleby/Karl Dodd).

[GazFish35]

Moyes in.

[The Dunster]

I agree. It's all about winning games and changing this mentality we have at the club from a underachieving team just striving to make the top six (and not even achieving that) to a club which is hard to beat and is battling for silverware and playing in Asia. For anyone to say they prefer someone who is a "Jets person" (whatever that means) is such a simplistic and mediocre statement in a period where the club simply needs the best coach available whoever that may be. Where he has coached before is totally irrelevant, what is relevant is the results he has on the board and his credentials as coach!!!

If all teams in the competition had the same mentality and players of similar skill being coached by coaches of similar ability there would still only be six teams to qualify for the finals and two teams qualify for the ACL.

This season we only just missed out on making the finals and had a winning record against Brisbane. Our time will come and it's really only going to come down to a bit of luck rather than a complete change in playing personnel, coaches, management, and mentality.

To accept someone like Arnie at the club would be a step backwards. Sure he had some success at the mariners. But he also lost a grand final when two goals up with barely mins to go. And if you are old enough to remember him as a player then you definitely wouldn't want him at the club.

He called himself a striker but the prick never looked like scoring a goal.

[steve136]

It's really a question of whether you like winning or not.
If you like winning, you'd want Arnie.

[BodyNovo]

i feel the exact same way about Arnold as i did about Merrick when Branko got the sack with one difference.

i actually am willing to cop Arnold as manager.

they get results, might not be the best way but they do get results, and after 6 years of crap i'm willing to take 1-0 scrappy wins and unearned draws, rather than play good football and lose 3-1.

still would prefer okon or papas long term though

[Skirt Boy]

So we plump for Arnold. Then what happens when a better paying job comes along?

It's obvious he has overseas managerial ambitions and his appointment will not be the best long term option.

I'd rather Zane or Bridges having the job because at a minimum there would be considerable stability with no outside pressures for them wanting to move on. Plus they both have experience in the youth setup.

[pv4]

I'd rather Zane or Bridges having the job because at a minimum there would be considerable stability with no outside pressures for them wanting to move on. Plus they both have experience in the youth setup.

What experience does Bridges have in the youth setup?

This is a non-baited, genuine question.

[BodyNovo]

What experience does Bridges have in the youth setup?

This is a non-baited, genuine question.

i also ask a following question to this

when has a player ever from his last year and football go straight to the top job.

i know plenty have joined the coaching staff but never the top job.

[Thomas477]

i also ask a following question to this

when has a player ever from his last year and football go straight to the top job.

i know plenty have joined the coaching staff but never the top job.

But Aloisi and Zane have been so successful.

Oh wait.....

[Skirt Boy]

i also ask a following question to this

when has a player ever from his last year and football go straight to the top job.

i know plenty have joined the coaching staff but never the top job.

Daglish?

If there is one thing this club has never had and it's stability.

[pv4]

What experience does Bridges have in the youth setup?

This is a non-baited, genuine question.

SB plz reply

[plague]

What experience does Bridges have in the youth setup?

This is a non-baited, genuine question.

Does anyone actually genuinely think he wants to be a full time manager?

I think he just wants an extra tick on his resume and be an assistant/youth/strikers coach (Bhahahaha) and focus mainly on his Media and Tapas work.

I say there's zero chance he gets or even wants the top job.

[plague]

All I know is that Middleby will get the next coaching appointment spot on, he's ALWAYS right.

[Beeen]

Middleby appoints Middleby as coach

[GazFish35]

HSG will appoint Arnold.

Reasoning:

Arnold wants to go overseas.
Arnold signs contract with jerks.
Contract has buyout clause, say for arguments sake $400,000.
Arnold starts job, wins a few games (even GVE did that)
OS club no one has heard of (man Utd etc) come along.
$$$$$$
Use $$$$$$ to secure knights.



In summary
Arnold saves Knights

[Thomas477]

Middleby appoints Middleby as coach

Then we can have 2 Middleby out threads! I like this idea.

[Premy]

***Breaking News***

As I've said before I work over at Knights HQ at Mayfield running a Café. Can confirm I'm looking at Middleby, Palmer, Bartz, Wayne Bennett & Arnold all having a Coffee.

P.S Arnold paid for the drinks.

[Jeterpool]

Thanks Premy

[pv4]

***Breaking News***

As I've said before I work over at Knights HQ at Mayfield running a Café. Can confirm I'm looking at Middleby, Palmer, Bartz, Wayne Bennett & Arnold all having a Coffee.

P.S Arnold paid for the drinks.

Sauce?

As in what flavour sauce did they put on their lunch?

[Premy]

Sauce?

As in what flavour sauce did they put on their lunch?
Not Masterfoods

[Premy]

Apologies the person I thought was Troy Palmer was not after a quick Google Image search. I think it could have been Andrew Clark he was talking to a Knights trainer I know fairly well I'll ask him for confirmation who it was next time I see him.

[GazFish35]

***Breaking News***

As I've said before I work over at Knights HQ at Mayfield running a Café. Can confirm I'm looking at Middleby, Palmer, Bartz, Wayne Bennett & Arnold all having a Coffee.

P.S Arnold paid for the drinks.


Just confirming my Arnold saves knights theory.

What did Arnie order? Mocha on skim with half a shot and two sugars?

[Premy]

Just confirming my Arnold saves knights theory.

What did Arnie order? Mocha on skim with half a shot and two sugars?
Hot Chocolate low fat milk. Don't Get me started on the difference between Skim and low fat milk.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Moyes in.

[MFKS]

FAO Premy did you over charge the Gypo ??

[Thomas477]

Moyes in.

This.

[pv4]

Don't Get me started on the difference between Skim and low fat milk.

Middleby would have gotten Arnie skim milk, and not low fat like he asked. You can all try and tell me it was Palmers fault but it quite obviously was the ineptitude of Middleby that led to the mistake.

/thomas477

[Thomas477]

Damn right pv4.

Although with Glory's appointment of Lowe, I believe Middleby is not the worst A-League CEO, whoever Perth's is, is the worst.

[pv4]

Damn right pv4.

Although with Glory's appointment of Lowe, I believe Middleby is not the worst A-League CEO, whoever Perth's is, is the worst.

Everything Glory goes through Tony Sage.

[MFKS]

Damn right pv4.

Although with Glory's appointment of Lowe, I believe Middleby is not the worst A-League CEO, whoever Perth's is, is the worst.

:sup: Have to pay that.


The idiots at Perth put the circus our club is to shame.

[Grimario]

Damn right pv4.

Although with Glory's appointment of Lowe, I believe Middleby is not the worst A-League CEO, whoever Perth's is, is the worst.
Jason Brewer. He has been busy being positive about PG for months, I wonder if he believes the shit now that they put Lowe in full time.

[stopper2]

If all teams in the competition had the same mentality and players of similar skill being coached by coaches of similar ability there would still only be six teams to qualify for the finals and two teams qualify for the ACL.

This season we only just missed out on making the finals and had a winning record against Brisbane. Our time will come and it's really only going to come down to a bit of luck rather than a complete change in playing personnel, coaches, management, and mentality.

To accept someone like Arnie at the club would be a step backwards. Sure he had some success at the mariners. But he also lost a grand final when two goals up with barely mins to go. And if you are old enough to remember him as a player then you definitely wouldn't want him at the club.

He called himself a striker but the prick never looked like scoring a goal.

You've really showed your intelligence now Dumbster....saying "He called himself a striker but the prick never looked like scoring a goal".....that's one of the most uneducated statements I've ever heard about a player.
For the record he scored 161 goals in 453 games and another 19 goals in 54 games for the Socceroos!
Only a handful of Australian players including Mori and Viduka have scored more goals in their careers.
Maybe you should do some research before bagging someone out!!!
Yeah and I am old enough to remember him in his playing days (especially at Sydney Croatia/United) and although he wasn't the most technically gifted player but he was very much a team player with a big ticker who done a lot of the hard yakka stuff, therefore allowing others to shine, but still scoring his fair share of goals.

[hawk]

***Breaking News***

As I've said before I work over at Knights HQ at Mayfield running a Café. Can confirm I'm looking at Middleby, Palmer, Bartz, Wayne Bennett & Arnold all having a Coffee.

P.S Arnold paid for the drinks.

sif anyone out of that lot pick an effective manager. might as well have had monkeys conducting the interview

[Premy]

http://m.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/former-central-coast-boss-graham-arnold-in-talks-to-become-next-newcastle-jets-coach/story-e6frf4gl-1226892650394

Telegraph spying on the foz? Can confirm Palmer was not there, I think it was Andrew Clark I'll find out tomorrow who the unknown 5th person was.

[Tommyjet]

http://m.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/former-central-coast-boss-graham-arnold-in-talks-to-become-next-newcastle-jets-coach/story-e6frf4gl-1226892650394

Telegraph spying on the foz? Can confirm Palmer was not there, I think it was Andrew Clark I'll find out tomorrow who the unknown 5th person was.

I did tell Richard Bayliss from fox on twitter as he was tweeting about where Arnold might be headed

[Premy]

I did tell Richard Bayliss from fox on twitter as he was tweeting about where Arnold might be headed
Fair enough.

[plague]

I did tell Richard Bayliss from fox on twitter as he was tweeting about where Arnold might be headed

Dobbers wear nappies.

[Tommyjet]

Dobbers wear nappies.

Yeah I know. Was just conducting a twitter experiment since it was a harmless enough rumour. My sister thought she saw Arnold at some point yesterday but I don't completely trust her to positively identify him.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Perth apparently turned down this guy in favor of Lowe:

http://fiasports.com/portfolio/detail/albert-roca/

[Thomas477]

Sign him up Tinks.

[MFKS]

Perth apparently turned down this guy in favor of Lowe:

http://fiasports.com/portfolio/detail/albert-roca/

Bloke is unproven as a manager on his own though!!!! His coaching at 3 unknown sides means 6 fiths of **** all in the grand scheme of things.

Definitely suitable for a role in a HAL club Yoof teams assistant etc but being he has only been a 2IC at Barca and Gala doesn't mean he can necessarily cut it as a first team boss.

In fairness though the bloke couldn't really be any worse than Lowe anyway so not surprising a short sighted club with NFI like Perth would pass him up

[boz-monaut]

Arnold to Sydney

Farina to Newcastle

[hawk]

Arnold to Sydney

Farina to Newcastle

fo farina

[Grimario]

Arnold to Sydney

Farina to Newcastle
And to think I jokingly said that Lowe being appointed meant whoever we appointed wouldn't be the biggest joke of the HAL coaching appointments :(

How about Arnold to Newcastle, Rudan to Sydney?

[Pico]

If I'm a young coach the last place I would want to start out in the HAL is SFC.

How about Arnold to SFC with GVE as assistant or SFC Technical Director for their new CoE. Arnie & Duchie are already good mates & SFC have been making a lot of noise about their desire to acquire the Marrickville Council tempe reserve fields that are about to be redeveloped.

If arnold sees himself going overseas again he may need to prove he can take a basket case of a club and turn it around, meaning both the jets and SFC would be suitable, but lets face it with the uncertainty over Tinklers control of the jets he may opt for the more stable owners at SFC.

Having said that at least with us he will have his mate dutchy controlling the local production line, the co-operation of an entire state federation and much less of a pressure cooker environment.

I still think he'll take the cash and challenge of SFC over the uncertainty of the jets.

[Jeterpool]

I still think he'll take the cash and challenge of SFC over the uncertainty of the jets.

I think arnie will be talking to his mates in the FFA. If there's something happening with the jets ownership behind closed doors, he'll be able to find out about it which may sway his decision.

[westjet]

Arnold ponders multi-year Jets deal
23 April 2014-SBS: Dave Lewis

Graham Arnold has been offered a multi-year deal by Newcastle Jets after being personally assured by owner Nathan Tinkler that he will continue to finance the club.
McGlinchey fears for future in JapanArnold top target on Newcastle Jets radar
The former Australia, Central Coast Mariners and Vengalta Sendai mentor is seen by Tinkler as the coach to bring long sought after success to a club which has missed out on the A-League finals for five successive seasons.

It’s understood that Singapore-based former mining magnate Tinkler spoke with Arnold to underline his continuing commitment to the Jets amid concerns that his well-documented financial woes might lead to the Hunter Sports Group withdrawing its backing for the Jets.

Tinkler made it clear that he saw Arnold – who led Central Coast to the A-League championship last season – as the perfect choice to bring back to the glory days to the Jets, who won their sole the A-League title in 2008.

As a result Arnold, who has been courted by Perth Glory and approached by New Zealand Football chief Andy Martin over the vacant All Whites job, is expected to take the reins at the Jets earl next week.

The sacking of Frank Farina by Sydney FC on Wednesday, after the club fell at the first hurdle in the A-League play-offs, has opened a vacancy at the Sky Blues, throwing a potential spanner in the works for the Jets.

But it is understood there has no approach to Arnold - official or otherwise as yet - from Sydney, a club the 50-year-old spurned in favour of remaining at Central Coast Mariners just more than two years ago.

The Jets' hierarchy is keen for caretaker coach Clayton Zane - who led the team to within two points of the play-offs after succeeding Gary van Egmond - to be installed as Arnold’s No.2.

Arnold, who parted ways with struggling J.League outfit Vengalta Sendai after just eight games at the helm nearly three weeks ago, would bring conditioning guru Andrew Clark with him as part of the package.

He would also be given the resources to expand the club’s youth development program as part of the Jets' long-term vision for success.

A Jets source said: “The club expects to know imminently what he wants to do. They have been talking for a few weeks now and they have made it very clear they want him on a long-term contract.

“Nathan Tinkler is tired of losing and the plan is to rebuild the club and get them up there challenging for the title again. Arnie has a proven track record at that.”

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1187488/Arnold-ponders-multi-year-Jets-deal

[MFKS]

Arnold ponders multi-year Jets deal
23 April 2014-SBS: Dave Lewis

Graham Arnold has been offered a multi-year deal by Newcastle Jets after being personally assured by owner Nathan Tinkler that he will continue to finance the club.
McGlinchey fears for future in JapanArnold top target on Newcastle Jets radar
The former Australia, Central Coast Mariners and Vengalta Sendai mentor is seen by Tinkler as the coach to bring long sought after success to a club which has missed out on the A-League finals for five successive seasons.

It’s understood that Singapore-based former mining magnate Tinkler spoke with Arnold to underline his continuing commitment to the Jets amid concerns that his well-documented financial woes might lead to the Hunter Sports Group withdrawing its backing for the Jets.

Tinkler made it clear that he saw Arnold – who led Central Coast to the A-League championship last season – as the perfect choice to bring back to the glory days to the Jets, who won their sole the A-League title in 2008.

As a result Arnold, who has been courted by Perth Glory and approached by New Zealand Football chief Andy Martin over the vacant All Whites job, is expected to take the reins at the Jets earl next week.

The sacking of Frank Farina by Sydney FC on Wednesday, after the club fell at the first hurdle in the A-League play-offs, has opened a vacancy at the Sky Blues, throwing a potential spanner in the works for the Jets.

But it is understood there has no approach to Arnold - official or otherwise as yet - from Sydney, a club the 50-year-old spurned in favour of remaining at Central Coast Mariners just more than two years ago.

The Jets' hierarchy is keen for caretaker coach Clayton Zane - who led the team to within two points of the play-offs after succeeding Gary van Egmond - to be installed as Arnold’s No.2.

Arnold, who parted ways with struggling J.League outfit Vengalta Sendai after just eight games at the helm nearly three weeks ago, would bring conditioning guru Andrew Clark with him as part of the package.

He would also be given the resources to expand the club’s youth development program as part of the Jets' long-term vision for success.

A Jets source said: “The club expects to know imminently what he wants to do. They have been talking for a few weeks now and they have made it very clear they want him on a long-term contract.

“Nathan Tinkler is tired of losing and the plan is to rebuild the club and get them up there challenging for the title again. Arnie has a proven track record at that.”

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1187488/Arnold-ponders-multi-year-Jets-deal


Its blatantly wrong but **** it lets just go with that line as it makes our ineptitude better.



So its now been 5 years since we made the semis you think the club would do something about it etc

[Grimario]

Bonita Mersiades ‏@bonitamersiades 5m
I *hear* Graham Arnold offered #NewcastleJets & #AllWhites jobs, with Newcastle happy for him to do both. Will #SydneyFC match the offer?

....

[Thomas477]

TBH, I'd much rather Arnie choose his own #2, rather than having Zane forced upon him, ala Jones and Deans. Have Zane as an assistant coach, but let Arnie choose his coaching team.

[Jetmaster]

The interesting thing here is that Tinks is showing interest.

[q-money]

carn tinks get those triangles happening

****en love triangles

[Hunter403]

Of course Tinks is interested! Invest some cash now, win a few and become competative over the next season or two and then hope to get the same kind of money for the Jets that was paid for Heart and WSW. Best asset he has left in the portfolio.

[GazFish35]

Interested. but doesn't care.

[parksey]

**** the all whites tbh

[Tommyjet]

TBH, I'd much rather Arnie choose his own #2, rather than having Zane forced upon him, ala Jones and Deans. Have Zane as an assistant coach, but let Arnie choose his coaching team.

Pretty sure Arnie and zane know each other quite well, probably more than happy to mentor zanes coaching career

[Jeterpool]

**** the all whites tbh

Never know, with an All Whites gig and Arnie as coach we MIGHT have another chance at getting Smeltz!

[Zico]

Didnt Clacker a GA play with each other at Northern Spirit?

[Thomas477]

Pretty sure Arnie and zane know each other quite well, probably more than happy to mentor zanes coaching career

Fair enough then, I just didn't want Arnie to be told who his coaching staff will be, would much rather let him pick his own so we can ****ing win something for a change.

[Pico]

If the club really see Zane as a future first team coach then I hope that if Arnie was to get the gig he would be allowed to pick his own no.2 and Zane would be an assistant to the first team while keeping the youth team role. I think Zane needs to be in charge of a team, look at Deans all those years as an assistant and still no one rates the bloke, and no one really knows how he would go. At least with a youth team to be responsible for we would have a measuring stick to gauge how well Zane is progressing.

[plague]

Sydney radio said this morning that Gypo Arnie is the favourite to take the Sydney job.

[Jeterpool]

Sydney radio said this morning that Gypo Arnie is the favourite to take the Sydney job.

As I expect they would.

I'm still confident we will get him, but if we don't we have interviewed 3 other people PLUS Zane for the role.

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Farina sacked yesterday, so move onto Plan B Jets (cause Arnie is going there)

[Jetmaster]

Wouldn't be surprised if Rudan was lined up for SFC...no secret it's the only A-League gig he wants.

[plague]

As I expect they would.

I'm still confident we will get him, but if we don't we have interviewed 3 other people PLUS Zane for the role.

Plus we have the Don Bradman* of GM's doing the deal, so we're bound to succeed.


* actually that's not an accurate description cause Bradman only averaged 99.94

[joel31]

I would take that Spanish bloke. Even if only on a one year deal. He could convince young players to come and he is very qualified

[Tommyjet]

I would take that Spanish bloke. Even if only on a one year deal. He could convince young players to come and he is very qualified

There seems to be enough good candidates floating around that I'm optimistic we won't be too disappointed with the appointment. In saying that it is the jets

[GazFish35]

In true jets style Catlin, deans and Dodd all sacked. (Probably after Arnold suggested it would sway him)
The farina sacked.
Arnold will sign with Sydney.
We'll be coach less and back room staffless.

[stopper2]

In true jets style Catlin, deans and Dodd all sacked. (Probably after Arnold suggested it would sway him)
The farina sacked.
Arnold will sign with Sydney.
We'll be coach less and back room staffless.

The latest rumour is that Holger Osieck could be SFC's coach!

[furns]

Was time for a coaching staff refresh at any rate
Its only taken three seasons for the Deans Out foz talk to take effect

wd us

[Thomas477]

KUTGW guys.