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I don't believe so, no one has any valid reason (i.e. how it will make the game in the region or the competition better) as to why they shouldn't be part of youth.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Will also hamper the ability for Norther to schedule senior games, particularly Friday night football.
18s should be with seniors. They should be getting game time at least in reggies.
13s to 16s is youth age.
They already do and have during the PYL years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
Further proves my point, no one has any valid reason as to why they need to play before reserves.
Looking through the fixtures, are all games going to be played in time? Can see some teams have games this weekend and two next, with catchup games postponed again this week. Rules go to points per game, will it affect any standing?
From memory last year, games that were not completed by a certain date were recorded as 0-0 draws. There were quite a few I think. From a relegation perspective ONLY on Div 1, it will have no impact as there is a significant separation between 8th (Edgeworth) and 9th (New Lambton).Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
This is what I see as the biggest disadvantage to the mid season reshuffle, the same thing happened last year with teams having to jam in games mid week on consecutive weeks, not only over working the boys, but also parents and volunteers. Could just be Div1 and Div2 home and away with 2 up and 2 down at the end of the season to start the next season. It would still achieve Northerns desired competitive outcome with way less hassle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
I agree to an extent though players aren't getting overworked having to play a game on the weekend and a game midweek.Quote:
Originally Posted by Game_over
In terms of a full year, would be better to go into the 3 groups of 8 from the start with 2 up and 2 down to ensure there is a competitive outcome across the year. Play each other 3 times plus the 4 preseason cup games and you get 24 games in.
Hopefully they use the PPG system as last year it did have some effect on results that were probably not thought about at the time they just declared draws.I think PPG is fairer but of course it isnt perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzy
They should declare draws, results are not imperative at this level, play offs should be abandoned, this age group should be development only, not results driven
While I understand the sentiment its not how it works.It was decided that results do matter from 13s and up and with promotion/relegation in play the results will determine which level the clubs play at for the rest of the year which in its own way is best for the kids development.With 18s being included in this group it means that results at their age matter as well because they are one step away from seniors and whether we like it or not clubs do start at the top of Div 1 and work their way down when it comes to recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Are you saying dont play finals in youth?Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
[QUOTE=Game_over;280952]This is what I see as the biggest disadvantage to the mid season reshuffle, the same thing happened last year with teams having to jam in games mid week on consecutive weeks, not only over working the boys, but also parents and volunteers. Could just be Div1 and Div2 home and away with 2 up and 2 down at the end of the season to start the next season. It would still achieve Northerns desired competitive outcome with way less hassle.[/QUOTE
Only 1 club really suffered out of the forced draw last year, that was Olympic (they missed the club championship because of that)...5 draws recorded against NL and finished 2nd by 3 pts (I think it was)
Div 2 and 3 reset of course
I understand that both NL and Olympic were told to look to move the games to play midweek before the deluge and both clubs weren't interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Then ask him if he thinks finals should be abandoned at the 1st grade level across all 5 comps and just go on who finishes first.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
CorrectQuote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
I always find this interesting.Pretty much every sport out there has some sort of winning/finals/competition element to it from the earliest possible age.From martial arts/tennis/golf/basketball/waterpolo you name it they all have a much greater competition element to them than football.Yet our sport is always the one that 'takes itself too seriously'.Being involved in JDL I absolutely agree that the program is better for not having tables and finals*,but the age we set for our sport to introduce the official competitive element is 13s and I think its more than appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
*just remember if parents/kids want to have scoreboards and finals at those younger ages there is an option for them as well.I like that between community and JDL we cater to both options.
Im hearing from a few clubs the season has gone back to only one round of games for stage 2 again like last year due to the weather.
hearing the same. DisappointingQuote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
I just wish they put a solid end date on phase 1 and told clubs any games that couldnt be caught up were going to be decided on PPG and got on with it.Only 1 club will be left out due to phase 1 not being decided this way.The extension of phase 1 has made the original plan for phase 2 untenable.One round for phase 2 but 2 legged semis fits the time frame for ground availability.And no,double headers are off the table after last years issues and playing extra mid week games leaves no room for washouts for phase 2.They cant start the season any earlier and are obviously on and end date to hand grounds back.Try again next year I suppose.
It's a shame, but the weather has been extraordinary. Two legged SF is decent though - I have always liked the home and away model
Should've been what they done, just end this weekend, declare it as PPG and then all of Phase 2 could still get in. As it is looking, looks like Phase 1 may still be decided on PPG anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Cutting phase 2 is a joke. NNSW could have made it happen. Theyre too lazy and arrogant to do their job properly. Well done idiots.
They wanted to extend Phase 2 all the way till the end of October. Majority of clubs pushed back and said no, so the alternative was to go with the old system, but add the two leg semi-final and also an additional game for those teams that miss finals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addios
Very dissapointing to hear if true. Yep, should have cut phase 1 now and base off ppg system. To basically sacrifice phase 2 for phase 1 grading system is stupid.
So once again teams in B and C comps for phase 2 get a 7 game competition.
Any thoughts to put on a league cup type competition then to give some meaningful games?. They could do a league cup for each individual A, B and C. Would only be in a pool of 8, so quarter, semi and final meaning 3 extra games for the finalists and something extra to play for besides a 7 game sprint.
I mean last year they tried to do an overall Cup competition which fell away after the first round without even a word on why it was scrapped (i assume weather related).
Just seen Newcastle football made the decision to call off the whole round given conditions.
What are the chances northern makes same call this weekend given how many pyl, and jdl kids would been in affected areas.
Yes was dropped after Round 2 because of weather and needing to fit in games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Box2Box
It was scrapped entirely this year to get in the expanded Phase 2.
Completely agree.
The 2 phase season doesn?t work.
With decoupling there is no reason that we need to start with 2 groups of 12. Just schedule a 3 tier competition with 21 games and either 1 up 1 down pro/rel or a 4 team playoff for top and bottom 2. Incorporate 2 leg semis and finals in the top tier to satisfy the original stated aim of more meaningful games. We can?t keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Agree with this, this is the second season in a row that the end of phase 1 has caused utter chaos. Not to mention the fact that families and volunteers have no idea what the schedule is for the second half of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thefoolwhofollows
Only through choice, they could just follow the regulations and say it is points per game. Too many clubs jump up and down and complain about that though. Northern need to just say no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Game_over
The issue is that some clubs (im sure you know which ones) would look to utilise this as loop holes and not play games if it was to thier advantage. My personal oppinion is that its just an over complicated season, you dont see the premier league and Championship swap leagues halfway through the season. happy for people to not agree, just my oppinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
If your a parent and pay several thousands of dollars thinking you are getting X amount of games now they reduce it by 10 games do you get a partial refund?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Northern needed to get a set of balls and kick off all training at the facility 2-3 weeks ago and start scheduling games. Don?t wait for clubs to pick dates cause they all have a motive and becomes drawn out. The Federation should say X is playing Y at this date and time and if you don?t like it you can forfeit. That way the comp keeps moving.
Also how many days break do u/13 need between games I?d say if they play Monday they can go again Wednesday
Just play midweek and weekends when this slop passes over. We can fit the games in with a tiny bit of organisational common sense.
Yes i offered to help the peanuts being overpaid in the office. no, the NNSW morons didnt want free assistance.
I personally like the 2 phase system but yes the weather hasnt given anyone a chance in the past 2 years.People will complain that making the promotion/relegation based on a 2 or even 4 leg phase isnt a true indication either.Which ever way we look at it there isnt a perfect system and Im happy for them to keep this plan in place until they get a few years of sample data.I think everyone agrees though the end of phase 1 is the real problem,NNSW just needs to have an end date and a plan in place and get on with the 2nd half of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thefoolwhofollows
Strongly agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Lack of referees and the 3 travelling clubs make this virtually impossible on short notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addios
What if councils stopped being so precious about playing fields?
The only reason a game gets cancelled should be when the field is unplayable.
In Newcastle, a 5 minute shower is enough to cancel training sessions and games.
Go anywhere in Europe, football fields where junior teams play have very little grass on them sometimes: playing is the priority, grass will grow back.
Exactly. those weeks when fields were a bit "iffy" they couldve played, then when the real sh*t goes down it doesnt matter as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic22
And you are probably the same person when little Johnny gets injured because of the state of the pitch you go complain to council 🤷*♂️Quote:
Originally Posted by mic22
Hmm, can you elaborate please?Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Where do you get that assumption? Why would I "probably" be that person?
And why the patronizing tone?
Little Johnny, really?
We're just having a discussion here.
Except playing early in the season when they are a bit iffy wrecks the grounds, takes out grass and means that it takes longer to recover later on in the season when we do get downpours meaning more games are missed than otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addios