So this is extremely simple to explain to you. Do you remember how quiet the right were when Obama was elected?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Ok, I win. Go find some other bullshit to peddle.
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So this is extremely simple to explain to you. Do you remember how quiet the right were when Obama was elected?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Ok, I win. Go find some other bullshit to peddle.
Generally speaking the right didn't give a ****Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
The real far right may have been pissed but the rank n file right just didn't give a ****
Their main gripe with him is that he was incompetent at his job
Absolute bollocks and you know it. There's no difference, just the shoe is on the other foot and you don't like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Now, in your reality I agree that I'm probably wrong. But in the real world you would be splitting hairs to see any difference between the shit happening now and back then. Maybe politics has become a bit more volatile and social media has taken on a new level within the spread of political news/misinformation, but it's still the same shit that the right did then.
Heck, Trump likely won as a direct result of outrage from the right over a black man being in office. The racist, bigoted idiots all made sure they'd vote next election to keep any chance of that happening again. Add them in to the mix and all of a sudden the right didn't need to compete on the same issues as the left. Put the shiny orange yelly man on TV and they already picked up a huge amount of extra voters.
Trump is now starting this "war" as well as promoting second amendment rallies around the country to work his backup voters into an outrage again. You don't win the US presidential vote by being the most popular (remember that Trump wasn't the democratically elected candidate, he won on their weird electorate system of certain states having more say than others), you just need to win a few key states.
**** meQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Trump won because the Electoral college actually represents all of the country
It doesn't just allow New York and California to dictate to the rest of the country who is running the country
Trump won because he was the best candidate put up.
FFS the left ran a candidate who let a US embassy get attacked and did nothing about it and then when the Ambassador got killed lied about their role
If you think the right gave anywhere near as much of a **** that Obama was President than the left have with their Trump Derangement Syndrome you been smoking some good shit
As for your claim that Trump got elected based on racist bigoted idiots. FMD You do realise these so called racist bigoted idiots could have voted Obama out in 2012 but reelected him?? Don't let facts get in the way of your narrative though
Trump run his campaign based on the only real identity politics that should matter being for all things American unlike the Left who ran the campaign on race and gender
Middle America embraced MAGA and rejected the race baiting policies of the Democrats
As for your claim that Trump is starting a war. Where?? He wiped a terrorist out. Nothing happened
But don't let that negate the reality that the lefty media and leftist politicians are speaking highly about Solemani like he is some type of hero when he been on a Terrorist list for nearly 20 years
Left just have no touch with reality
Trump didn't get as many votes as Hilary, in fact he got 2.87 million less votes than her. So, in a true democracy, she would have won the election. The US is not a democratic nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Still clinging to that BS excuse??Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Rules were written down before the game was played
Idea was to win more Electoral College Votes
Reason Killary lost is because she wasn't good enough to win
Trump done the job
If you look at that map Trump won nearly 3/4 of the country's approval when you look at it state by stateQuote:
Electoral College ensures that individuals elected to the presidency don’t only have the support of the population-heavy coasts, but broad support throughout the entire country. The function of the Electoral College is to respect and represent the states as sovereign entities within our federal system.
So he done the job required
As for America being a true democracy
It has never been one so I don't know why you bring that up
The electoral college by definition is not democracy. It's basically weighted voting. i.e. one person's vote is worth more than another's.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
The other countries with electoral college systems are Burundi, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Madagascar, Myanmar, Pakistan, Trinidad and Tobago and Vanuatu...
The US is a backwards country designed by and for idiots. And yes, I know we don't have a true democracy here in Aus, but we are a million times closer than that dodgy place.
In the year two thousand and sixteen Julia Gillard was elected Prime Minister of Australia despite losing the popular vote. Julia Gillard and Donald Trump both have orange hair.
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Originally Posted by Frodo
FFS stay off the Kool Aid you are onQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
I ain't the one claiming it is a perfect democracy
You did and you now backed down from that to dribble some other crap
So one person's vote is worth more than someone else's in USA.
You do realise in Newy where every dumb **** votes in the ALP that your vote is more or less useless regardless of who you wish to vote for ??
Because some other voters in Oz will decide the Marginal seats who will decide who wins an election. So why you not railing hard against this??
Also as for Oz we have a Democracy that great that we have to vote for one candidate in the local area who has **** all influence and we also have to use preferential voting system which works nothing like your Utopian form.of democracy either
Also we do not get to vote for Head of State / Leader of the country and ****wits in Canberra decide that with party room coups
Yep we got great democracy
As for the USA being a backwards country. They the powerhouse nation on top of civilisation at the moment. They doing such a poor job that ****s are envious of their freedoms and are prepared to do anything to get there. Last I looked there ain't a pile of refugees looking to leave there. It a one way road there
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Originally Posted by MFKS
The USA is no longer the only superpower. Europe doesn't follow them, and they have the bigger combined military if push comes to shove. You watch how quickly Russia jumps back into bed with Europe if we go to world war. All sanctions and stuff removed and they get to flaunt their wealth freely. Plus after the US loses they'll go take Alaska back and mine it for everything hidden underneath, just like they are doing in the north of their own country.
If China and India combined, they would have every other neighbouring military on side out of fear. And that would be more than enough to take on the yanks.
The US no longer dictate any global policy, they have little power over the UN, and they are the laughing stock of the free world. Stop swallowing all the deep fried lies Fox and Friends and Hollywood are offering you. That place is done for.
Even our government has moved towards backing China over the US. And we are pretty dumb, so if we already gotten the memo it's common knowledge.
Hahahahahahahahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Keep deluding yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
India got nothing
China are less of a threat military than financially
Russia will do whatever the **** Russia wants
As for Europe
The ****s are still pissed the Poms left. Don't expect the EU to keep surviving because I backing there be more and more defections in the next 20 years
EU and the Globalist elite fail to recognise soverignity and nationalism as relevant issues. Already bit them in the arse with Brexit
Yanks are still top dog and they will be for a while yet
All I can hear is 'gargling noises' and the odd slurp. I can even smell the Cheetos and fake tan from where I am, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
You just keep deluding yourself why the leftists keep losingQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
And blame it all on Everything other than the reality
Their communist liberal intersectional BS agenda keeps being rejected as people think it is shit
Stop acting like anyone believes the crap you keep telling yourself and that the mighty right, who scraped in by the skin of their teeth everywhere bar the UK are actually as all powerful and revered as you seem to think they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Skin of teeth??Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Trump won 304 to 227
ScoMo increased his majority
It is a trend everywhere
The deluded globalist communist left are being rejected everywhere
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Last midterms in the US left leaning Democrats in the US gained ascendency in Congress.
In Thuringia before Christmas. The CDU vote collapsed and Die Linke won the election. This is the successor party of the SED who once ruled East Germany as a dictatorship.
Macron is facing daily protests for his removal
Virtually everything about Scotty from Marketing is negative.
Yeah they let in the likes of AOC Omar and TlaibQuote:
Originally Posted by Skirt Boy
Complete oxygen thieves who are going to get booted out after their next election
Matter of fact they doing such a great job that they are going to see Trumps margin go up next year and it will be down to these unpatriotic socialist nutters
As for referencing Germans those guys are afraid of anything Nationalistic since the 1940s so they pretty much bordering on communists socialists and using the EU as their vehicle to conquer Europe
As for the French who ****ing cares ??
Unpatriotic..Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
A) you aren't an American. Yes, you say dumb shit and think the world revolves around you. But you aren't actually a yank.
B) You are mistaking Patriotism for Nationalism. Google it and use the correct term for future reference.
This is so fun.
A couple of the posts above have proven my point.
Job done.
Do they? Cause all I've seen so far is the Membah not being able to take any criticism to his wonderful motherland of America... And me baiting him for lulz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
I did question the validity of the electoral college, which I think is a valid argument to make. No other first world nation uses such an easily manipulated system (that goes for whoever is in power). Our democracy is good enough for voting a party into power. The whole changing of PM is another issue altogether, I don't know how we sort that one.
Criticism??Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
You are the one moaning that people voted in ways you don't agree with
They voted
Trump
Brexit
ScoMo
All we are seeing is excuses and tears from you and the Left for all this
You are actually proving Jetmasters point
Where the **** did I say I was a Yank??Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
I said the Squad nutters are unpatriotic
That is a fair statement to make that they are not patriotic to USA matter of fact you could argue that the likes of Omar and Tlaib ain't far from treasonous and AOC is just a communist socialist deluded nutter who should have stuck to bar tending
As for Nationalism v Patriotism I was referring to Nationalism
I wouldn't describe 1930s and 40s Germany was them over dosing on patriotism
Am I? Cause I haven't mentioned Scomo or Brexit for a start. I also haven't shed any tears about ol Trumpy boy. He doesn't affect me very much, my work deals with China but hasn't been affected by his little tariffs at all. I just enjoy stirring you up on the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
You are the one getting hot under the collar when I attack the US of A. Hence my comments about you being a surrogate Yankee doodle. (I feel like this is funnier in my head than others will take it, but I'll stand by my terrible quips any day of the week.)
Also, according to your logic AOC and her mates were voted in by the American people. So crying over them would be fairly hypocritical of you wouldn't it fine member? Jetmaster wouldn't appreciate you ruining his statement about the left being the only ones who complain about election results.
There is very little worse than reading/hearing conversations from people entrenched in the left and right of politics.
Both sides end up sounding like idiots and people with no political leanings realise why they hate voting as neither side really stand for anything except self interest.
I look forward to voting for independents in the house and the senate who can then just f*** with whoever is in power.
Australia’s fault for making me vote.
Also, are the liberals the most ironically named political party going around or is it the liberal democrat religious nutters?
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Originally Posted by Aegon
So you spout for being anti major politics but name the Liberals and religious as nutters. Think your left looney has leaked. So what if someone is religious? Others worship the colander, beer, drugs, kfc, Buddha but no abuse there? Think you need to drop the selective bigotry. Maybe fight crime, its a real scourge. Plus dont jump in bed with the Greens, they hate the workers but dont tell Labor they haven't joined the dots yet. Independent voting I agree with but eventually preferences must go to the bigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Each to their own without the infantile hysteria
#Triggered.Quote:
Originally Posted by finzee
Also, I think you read more into those points than what was intended. My understanding of his points were.
- people who care enough about politics to pick a side sound like idiots to those in the centre. (Not wrong really, look at the crap we talk in here)
- The Liberals aren't very "liberal" by definition. Which is true when you look at the word only. It's also a very nothing statement. Liberalism, conservative, socialist are all just insults now anyway. Today is so about the lean of your politics. Which way do you lean, and how far do you lean.
Can't help you with the religious stuff. If the term religious nutter offends you, so be it. He did say that one.
I was actually referring to the specific party that’s called something like the liberalQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Democrats?
There was some sort of outrage in one of the previous elections that they were first on the ballot
Paper and would receive default votes.
And calling me a leftist? Who cares. I have some leftist views and some right sided views just depends on the subject.
Marketing is what gets politicians elected not their policies. It doesn't matter what the policy is as long as you can market it effectively.
In Australia least the two major parties are essentially holding the same ideology but with different marketing strategies.
It's not much different in the USA or indeed any other developed western nation.
I admit to sharing some of the greens views when it comes to climate change and animal welfare. However their policies as a whole would destroy the Australia that I love. I ensure every vote i submit has the greens last in preferences. I have never voted for them or for labour in my life.Quote:
Originally Posted by finzee
I used to vote for Little Johnny every election but I haven’t voted liberal since Kevin07 won.
At the end of the day every major party is a shell of what they used to stand for. Even labour are distancing themselves as much as possible from the union nutters.
I don’t think it makes a difference where I vote anymore so I just happily vote for fringe cases that will make it difficult for whoever wins.
I think I voted for the Derryn Hinch party or something last time ��*♂️
You were spot on in your analysis btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
If you gonna lead with this one then lay your cards on the table So we know exactly which of their extremist views you supportQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon;23***1
Easy answer- Climate change is real. The temperature statistics do not lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Whether it is man made or not? I’m still yet to see anything that proves it definitively.
What is beyond question is that we should make our best effort at reducing our long term impact and making it worse.
If that means finding alternate power solutions then why the F not?
Where I completely deviate from the greenies though is that I think nuclear power should be utilised in Aus, especially since we have so much of the fuel needed for it locally.
With animal welfare - I despise horse and dog racing. I’m realistic enough to know that banning it isn’t achievable due to $$$.
However there should be tighter regulations in place that don’t allow over-breeding, indiscriminate killing of animals & an obligation to seek re-homing, re-purposing, etc post racing life.
Temperature statistics??Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Based on what 100 years or so of stats from the weather bureau when then planet been in existence for only about 6000 years or so
That a pretty small sample so the jury is really still out
I don't think.it exists
It is nothing but a financial racket so ****s get paid
Scientists are getting paid to say it exists
Scientists are getting paid to say it don't exist
You got nutcases like AOC saying the planet will end in 12 years terrifying a bunch of uneducated people who forget this scan been played 2 to 3 times already in the last 30 years
Where they will succeed in the future with this BS hysteria is they will use the environment as an excuse to get a taxation passed on the community and it will be the useful idiots in supporting climate change that will be thinking it is a great idea
In 30 years time after this nothing will have improved in the environment and that tax will still exist
As for animal welfare before we get into that subject. What is your position on abortion are you yeah or nay on that ??
How you can want to debate scientific matters while holding that view is mystifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Have lived through acid rain, the new ice age, hole in the ozone, global warming and now climate change.
And whatever happened to El Nino?
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/update...ustralia.shtml
When James Ussher made the 6000 year calculation it was considered scientific and to be very important / scholarly work. Isaac Newton made an estimate as well very close to that of UssherQuote:
Originally Posted by Macca
In 400 years time many of the so called scientific facts we take for granted will be seen to be just as ridiculous - assuming we haven't become extinct by then.
Oh man....Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I.... I just can't... I don't know where to start on this..
A valid point and almost certainly correct. But still doesn't justify clinging to disproven theories no matter how highly regarded they were at the time. All we can do is roll with the current accrued level of knowledge until it is inevitably built upon or disproved.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster