I'd be very surprised if it happens, especially the way he left the club and what he has said afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by prawnhead
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I'd be very surprised if it happens, especially the way he left the club and what he has said afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by prawnhead
Footballers are a bunch of mercenaries. If we are offering him an extra year at whatever it costs for 70kg of devon and Sydney are offering only this year or lower next, he will backtrack on whatever he said and go for the cash. Just look at Hoole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
There's a lot off the pitch out of Jones' control. But there's been a fair bit on the pitch that Jones has full control over that he's by and large made a mess of. Whether his changes would have made much difference well never know, but for god's sake man at least try!
See Exhibit A:
Let me get this straight. Brown played with an injury. Brennan started and was unlikely to last 90 minutes. He knows Fyfe can't last 90 minutes. And our injury record is ****ing woeful. So Jones goes into this game already knowing which 3 subs he's likely to make, regardless of what's happening in the game. Lets not forget Nordstrand hasn't been 100% fit.Quote:
Jones “lost a fair bit of sleep” over the decision to leave Haliti out of the squad which went down 2-0 to the Melbourne Victory at AAMI Park on Saturday.
With defender Iain Fyfe short on match fitness, Wayne Brown carrying a calf niggle and untried Andy Brennan starting, Jones needed cover on the bench.
“It was extremely difficult not to take Labi to Melbourne,” the coach said. “We knew that there were some people who might not last a full game. It limits who you put on the bench if you know that one player definitely has to come off and maybe another one.”
However, Jones didn’t bank on Nordstrand having to be replaced at half-time. The Dane was still feeling tightness in his hip flexor on Monday. He will be assessed later in the week but Jones was hopeful that he would be available for the second clash in five weeks against the runaway leaders.
Then he thinks Leilei, who is probably less fit than Haliti, was the best choice to cover the whole front-third as our only attacking sub. I know people on here, myself included, don't rate Kanta at CB, but is he really that much worse than our current options? Wouldn't it be better to use someone who can get through the 90mins and do a reasonable job, giving us more flexibility off the bench?
Regardless, we probably wouldn't have won the ****ing match anyway, but it'd be nice to understand what's going on in his head.
This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever seen Lowey make. If they swapped a week ago, then no. If we swapped Jones for a combination of the best parts of Mourinho, Pep, Klopp, Tuchel, Simeone, Sir Alex, Wenger and Conte all into one, a week before the game, we probably still would have lost. If we'd swapped Muscat for Jones before the season started, then who the **** knows how things would be right now. Lowey thinks we're basing things on one match. But there's been signs since the beginning. The only decent thing Jones has done was sign Koutroumbis who so far looks alright as a kid. Otherwise I've see nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilso8948
Well said David Lowey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilso8948
Which all points to the fact that until the Jets get an owner willing to inject some serious money into the club nothing good is going to happen. And given how poor the club is both on and off the park the Jets will have to pay overs to lure players to the club as well.
Signing quality players is how we build for the future not wasting money and effort on kids that might / probably won't ever make the grade.
The responsibility is with the owner and so far he's not proven himself worthy of owning our team.
The sooner he's gone the better. And if that means the club folds - so be it. The clubs had enough time to turn things around.
Sorry but I wholeheartedly disagree. The problem is as stated by Dunster that we are not injecting cash into quality on the pitch. Also I don't think hes saying the fans are basing it off one match. Hes saying that we never have had the quality there in the first place. And its even more apparent now with the injury crisis. Is Muscat really that good of a coach? The bloke has Ben Kalfalah sitting on the bench ffs if that isn't depth then I don't know what is. I can see why he left Labi at home. You mention a lot of injury problems but forget the bloke is returning from 12 months on the sidelines with a serious knee injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
I'm neither for or against having Jones as a coach. All I'm saying is that there is much further underlying issues then the bloke who sits in the managers chair. The club/owner needs to buy half a dozen quality first team starters. Winners. People who only know how to win and will breed a winning culture. These players cost money. If you have these players in the team I guarantee we will win games and be part of the finals. Whether we have Jones or any other bloke in the chair.
I just don't get the whole lets **** the coach off. We have wage thieves throughout our whole squad who are average at best. We won the comp with GVE and Jones. Two blokes that have been rubbished on here. Are they good coaches that year and were rubbish the next? or did they just have a damn good playing squad? Look at Merrick at Wellington. Won the comp with a quality victory side with resources. Goes to NZ with limited funds and punches above his weight. But still doesn't make finals. Miller was a likeable good coach. But lets not beat around the bush. He went through 10 game losing streak and finished well below the finals mark. When are we all going to just realise our squad is average without injuries at best. And extremely shit with them.
I agree, Unfortunately, people find it easier to blame Jones than to accept the reality of the club being 20 quality players short of a shot at the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilso8948
If Martin Lee spent $10m on player wages per season we'd be title contenders even with Jones in charge.
The current situation is that our highest paid players are probably not even in the top ten salary earners at the top clubs.
Moreover, if our highest paid players were at other clubs they would be on substantially less money - perhaps even half of what the Jets are paying them.
That's got nothing to do with Mark Jones.
It is the responsibility of the Owner and his representative [the CEO] to sort out.
That's pretty much it in a nutshell.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
I blame Jones for the following:
1. We have so many opportunities to counter attack, or create a half chance but 9/10 times poor choices, poor options, and just general lack of ideas result in us getting nothing out of so many opportunities. Players look lost going forward. Why isn't this his focus, get some structure into our attack, set individual tasks and drill that into them.
2. When hoole loses a ball and doesn't chase back, that is on the coach. He should be fuming and getting his msg to the player that the expectation is he will work to win that ball back, unless the instruction is not to bother, then again that is a failing of jones.
He doesn't have the cattle, but you can always lift a mediocre group to be enthusiastic and to work for each other, which personally i don't think they show much hunger.
wtf?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beppe
1. We have poor players who make poor attacking decisions. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. We had a player in Leonardo who looked to unlock defences and had vision but everyone here rubbished him cause of course he was a sook and didn't have good "engines". So we pissed him off.
2. When Hoole loses the ball that is Hoole. No one else. Hoole. So what if Jones yells kicks screams. You're missing the fact that he has lost the ball in the first place because he is an average player.
You're right. He doesn't have the cattle. Does he lift them to play above average? probably not. Did Miller? probably. Did it result in a finals appearance? nope.
Hoole losing the ball and not tracking back is on Hoole.
Hoole being on the park after repeatedly doing that game after game after game after game without any consequence is on Jones.
I can kind of see where Beppe is coming from but the examples aren't great.
that's a fair call. But my question is who do you replace him with? A lot of people saying give Brennan a run. The bloke was state league quality at best on the weekend. And got the full 90. Labi sure from now on as he's finally got some mins in his legs. Could place Clut out wide? who replaces Clut? Eventually somewhere average is still going to be replaced by someone completely not up to this standard. Our starting 11 is sub par before the seasons kickoff. Throw in key injuries and we will be doing well to finish any higher then 10th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
I think our starting XI is somewhere around 6-8 mark. Injuries have screwed us big time, even before the season started. We've lost key players throughout the season so far as well as not having all hands on deck when we started. Kokko, Haliti, Nordstrand (Chinese player too though that's not injury) are only just finding their feet now.
We may not have had great depth as has been exposed, but I think we could have caused a lot of teams trouble with the speed and quality we have sprinkled throughout the attack this season. Season has got plenty left in it yet so I'm still looking forward to seeing us play a handful of good games later on, and I think we will.
Depends on if Jones expects Hoole to track back or not, and the instructions given to him. Some coaches allow some players certain freedoms when it comes to turning over possession because they're better utilised by not wasting the fitness on things like tracking back when the coach wants to save them for counter-attacks, for eg. As a really brief example - how often do you see Gui Finkler track back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilso8948
If Jones is telling Hoole to track back after losing the ball, and he doesn't, that's Hoole's fault. But it's up to Jones to discipline Hoole for it (whether that be kickng & screaming, or dropping him, or whatever). If Jones is telling Hoole not to bother tracking back because he wants him to save his efforts for attacks, then it's on Jones.
I agree with all of thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Beppe
I also agree with thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
So hang on.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
If Hoole isn't tracking back and Jones isn't getting angry that means he's been instructed to stay forward and conserve fitness yeh?
So you're then saying when he's average in attack and can't score goals its Jone's fault because he should have all this fitness and shit yeh?
Sorry I'm just trying to work out how to blame the coach for a player being shit..
I'm so confused.
What I attempted to say was unless we know the ins & outs of Jones' expectations and how effectively they've been communicated to the team, it's hard to pin blame solely on one or the other. I was opening us all to the idea that potentially, maybe, Hoole doesn't track back because he is instructed not to. I haven't attempted to put blame on anyone - just trying to keep an open mind of the possibilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilso8948
When Hoole is perceived to be average in attack, I guess it depends on the level he's performing at and how he is executing the plays vs Jones' expectations that decides who is to blame.
If a player is "shit" it's up to the coach to better resource him - it's not the players fault that he keeps getting picked.
These arguments are all fantastic and good except they are terrible and redundant because Lester won so keep going saying money is everything and the coach can't change anything.