TD's & Coaches discuss to choose which players attend. There are player assessment forms offered to clubs that can be used as needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
I guess when players miss out on these sessions feelings or egos may get hurt.
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TD's & Coaches discuss to choose which players attend. There are player assessment forms offered to clubs that can be used as needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
I guess when players miss out on these sessions feelings or egos may get hurt.
I also witnessed the situation regarding the coach on the weekend. I am not affiliated with either club involved in the game but that was very poor. When discussing with our coaches they informed me that yes he does have form and its known amongst a few clubs as a lot of the coaches know each other.
The delegation of authority to parents as referees in SAP is terrible and this is another example of the gap
- Referee abuse
- Player committing fouls which would get you sent off or carded
- Coaches flaunting the rules
NNSW need to recognise kids/parents/coaches are there to win.
Weve heard the competition will be split for round 2 for strong and weak clubs
How do you work out who is in which comp if you don't recognise who won and lost?
yeah i think by next year when they go to one squad NNSW is gonna have to recognise they need 'independent refs', and they may as well count the scores and results, its going on anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retired01
Ive also noticed that Magic and Olympic tend to have youth players doing their ref duties for them. Does anyone know if thats because these kids want to be refs or are they doing it as a club duty? Because they pretty much always do a stellar job and the kids seem to def respect them even more maybe than someone who is clearly a 'parent' and less confident on the rules.
as for the grading of teams, yeah i know there isnt supposed to be tiers, but its a difficult one. There are 4 teams I've seen so far that are pumping everyone else. i dont mind the theory that these kids should prob be playing each other more often to help increase their level, and that the rest can play teams of equal level and get competitive games to hopefully build their confidence and skill set.
Seeing clubs get smashed 15-0 isnt helping either team IMHO, and this program is eventually about getting the best 17 or so for the Jets juniors and a bunch of strong NLP teams.
We just need to make sure the other kids who dont make that initial 17 are still motivated and inspired enough to keep at it in order to keep getting chances at making the Jets/NPL squads going forward.
Not sure how you can label a 9/10 year old nowhere good enough, quite laughable actuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
For every kid this system develops you will probably lose half a dozen of equal or greater talent who simply couldn't be bothered with all the bullshit.
It's the same old shit with a new badge.
Nah, no one is being told that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
But the boffins in charge have to select 16 out of the couple hundred kids to be in the 'best' team.
Then the 12(ish) club's have to each pick the best 16 each of the rest.
Then hopefully each year all those teams reselect their squads based on merit.
Eventually we'll have a team that wont go 3-0 down to the gypos at home and a bunch of teams making the FFA cup later rounds.
Best drop the prissy attitude now to avoid disappointment. It's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
There a couple of players in the system because someone is connected with the club. As always some deserved kids missed out for these few. Of course this will be rectified in ensuing years when quality comes through. What it does do for 6 on field is make it harder for teams to play carrying a couple leg ups.
For sure. Every holidays there are 3/4day camps. During season extra training sessions. All of these cost extra $$ on top of the SAP regoQuote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Hopefully there is still a pathway for anyone u18. Ive seen a lot of emerging Jets filtering into our NPL league but why not Aleague.
I hope we can develop many more players for Aleague teams out of this system. Not forgetting Melb and Sydney kids will also do very well.
Side note. How many Hunter kids have made it to Aleague level of more than 15 games?
That's a good thing will move the good players into other clubs and strengthen the competition as a whole and will give all teams tough competition every week.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
the ideal plan is for the kids missing out on the top teams to go fill out other teams to strengthen them, to make sure the kids are still getting the training and opportunity (and remain motivated after missing out on their preferred club).Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
This needs to be communicated though as some clubs may not 'want' a bunch of outsiders coming in and taking therrrrr jobs.
NNSW has to preach the big picture here and get everyone on board.
KantaQuote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
Pepper
Hoole
Taylor Reegz
BK
Jobe
Disco Stu
Hoff
Boogaard
Not a lot over 15 years and not a lot at the better end of HAL players
No joke but didnt Australias greatest ever Socceroo, Daniel Arzani, not come through any of these programs? Just kind of got picked up later in life?
and did Nabbout have a similar trajectory? or was he a good junior that didnt come straight into the pros?
Having watched my son develop I personally think the SAP program is a great idea and also believe the splitting up of round 2 (if true) is a great idea.
The weaker teams will have more time on the ball to improve basic skills and stronger teams actually taking their development forward. But the top section needs official referees to keep control as we witness every week the afore mentioned issues.
Will be interesting to see the arguments from clubs who fall just over or under the cut off point.
Very hard to know if a player was simply a late bloomer or just a kid who never got the opportunity / breaks they deserved when young.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
The people who played alongside or against the ones that did make it would probably have a few stories about ones that missed out through no fault of their own.
it will be interesting with our club, who has an A and B team. The results between the 2 teams are quite different, so the A team will easily compete (and benefit) with the top teams every week. The B team will find it much tougher. Having seen a couple of the stronger clubs, they seem to be in a similar situation to ours though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retired01
Are the players graded on an overall basis or for a particular position ? Asking along the lines of absolute or a comparative advantage for the A team over the B team.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
yeah definitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Its hard to argue any of the kids in the B team being better 'overall' players than the kids in the A, but the kids in the A team def have their one skill that is a much higher level than anything else anyone else has.
For example, they have a kid that loves playing in the backs. he knows where to position his body and win a ball, he then can play an outlet pass with either foot to get the team going forward. He cant shoot, and rarely skills anyone 1 on 1. But he is great at the thing his strength. They also have a DM that goes side to side winning the ball, and playing off both feet. They have a striker that cant tackle but can hit his targets. Its also interesting to watch in training because they dont get schooled individually by the coaches on their strengths, they all have to do the same drills and are expected to be as good as everyone else in them.
The coaches often also play the kids out of position during games in order to improve their weaknesses. The striker who cant tackle is made to play in the backs and the defender who cant shoot goes upfront etc. Its a good move and def in the past has 'cost' them goals and not everyone is a fan of it, but i think its good for them to be continually challenged.
I had heard rumours that this might be happening after round 11. How are they are going to decide on the split though when nobody officially records the result?Quote:
Originally Posted by Retired01
I can see the logic in the decision and support it, however it brings back the same old question about whether results should be recorded in this competition? if Results don't matter, why are they splitting the comp at all?
Also, how do they grade it when some clubs have an A and a B team who are light years apart in the playing levels, do they split the two teams between the 2 divisions/groups/pools, or whatever they will call it?
This is a tough question, if you think about it there have been some exceptionally good players out there that can't play out of position to save their lives. It is already evident even at Aegon Jr's age that some boys are restricted to where they can play, some kids already have an amazing engine, good technical range, strong tacklers/on the ball. These same players may have some glaring weaknesses in other areas though. Do you evaluate the kids based on overall ability or judge them based on their ability/potential in specific positions or roles?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Tough decisions already. Glad I don't have to make them.
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Originally Posted by Aegon
The NNSW guys are there most weekends watching the kids play, they would have a pretty good idea of which teams are 'better'.
I cant see them splitting clubs through. If you have a team good enough to be in the A group, then both teams are going there. Even the B teams at the best clubs are good enough to at least compete with the A teams. It may even mean the clubs rejigg their teams to even them back out seeing as though they are now going to be getting really strong competition every week.
Pretty confident that if split into A & B the A teams will be position specific so they can be at strongest level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
I'd also back that some clubs will have both teams in the B section, some both in A and some split.
Stiil not sure if criteria is results based or if clubs suggest their allocation for each team.
That'll be hard on a club like Lake Macquarie. Their 9's have one exceptionally good team and one very weak team. I am not 100% positive but I think one team has won every game while the other has lost nearly every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Sorry thats my bad i didnt know they were talking about splitting the 9's as well. I had only heard the 10's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Definitely not 100%. Just what we were told when they only released half the draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
No **** thatQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
I might be on beer 15 today but I gonna call you on that
The NNSW guys are the weakest out there
FFS the last Australian NT player they produced was either Middleby or Zane FFS.
They have little credibility really in the grand scheme of things
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Originally Posted by MFKS
I totally agree.
I try not to post unsolicited things on here so I asked our coaches and another 2 friends who also coach.
They are rarely around and don't talk to the coaches much either.
One coach did comment. (in his opinion) they see one kid do one good thing and then assume he is a good player and have no interest in understand the full scope of teams and consistant ability.
I've been at Speers point nearly every weekend and i wouldn't be able to tell you if a single northern rep has been wandering the grounds. If they do, they must do it incognito.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retired01
its almost as if they realise that and are introducing a new program to try and make the youth system better.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
NNSWF is the worst fed in the country, they wouldn't know their elbow from their ar$ehole.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Correct. The foremost plan is to get a better youth program in place. They are doing a better job at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Scouting for talent on the other hand, id like to see that.
I'd rlike to see our jets youths in the Sydney comp.
Should have put in to go when they restructured the NSW NPL to include Blue Aids Yoof and Red Aids Yoof into the set up but we didn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
Hopefully they might make this decision when the new SW Sydney franchise Yoof get fast tracked into it
For the SAP 9's and 10's. Does anyone have any idea when the second half of the draw will be released? Seems a farce that the current draw is only relevant for another 11 days.
7th of July it should be released by according to the current draw
Our club stull hasnt had any communications from NNSW either.
Frustrating.
Also, looks like Sth Cardiff is in SAP this year with U/9's. Interesting as they didn't have teams last year.
Wonder if NNSW is opening it up to new clubs knowing that some clubs dont have the quality to provide 2 teams.
South Cardiff are paired with Wallsend in the draw who both have one team. Adamstown and Singleton also dropped down to one team as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
It begs the questions, will Wallsend and South Cardiff ever play each other? I don't think so.
From what I understand, several NL1 clubs last year were issued SAP licenses and didn't field a team. Since they didn't use them again this year I think they will forfeit those licenses?
I can't understand why clubs like Cooks Hill, Belswans, West Wallsend, etc aren't battling to field a team. They would be in a much better position at U13's to retain players they have already been training for a few years.
Yeah Cooks Hill always had good teams and good numbers in mini roos. I heard a few of them ended up at Magic SAP because they had nowhere to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Exactly, 2 friends of ours had/have kids at Cooks Hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
One started in U9 SAP for Hamilton this season, the other will be trialling at Magic, Jaffas, Olympic, etc next season after this years U12 comp finishes. Not one person from cooks hill has chatted to this lad about playing U13's NL1 next year.
There isn't enough focus on developing and retaining kids prior to U13's for some clubs.
Yeah ive got a lot of sympathy for a lot of the clubs trying to get the best out of each individual kid. Cooks Hill always looked like they had soooo much going on in different areas and not enough help to cross every 't' and dot every 'i'. Thats not a knock on the club, because i dont know how any of them get it done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Plague Jnrs club put it on the Mini Roos coaches to suggest to the players to try out. Plague Jnr was told by his coach in 8's that he should attend the trial and he did. But so did a lot of other kids (from his club and others), so the club did a good job getting the word out. At the same time Kahibah, with good numbers in miniroos, couldnt get anyone to even trial with them, let alone fill 2 squads. The only thing id suggest to your friends is they be a bit more proactive and ask the club people how little Johnny goes about trialling for 13's next year.
even at the biggest and best run clubs the lines of communication can break down pretty easily due to the sheer size of the job. they shouldnt take it as a knock that no one has spoken to them, they should take it as an opportunity to help the club get the best kids into these teams.
I know the 2 trials Aegon Jr attended had 50 or 60+ kids in attendance. Some (NPL) clubs were well behind the 8 ball though and undertook trials in October/November and struggled to get 10-15 kids to show up.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
One of the biggest difficulties I encountered was the lack of comms from clubs and association. If you didn't follow the clubs facebook pages you'd probably miss the trials altogether. I only knew about the program after being told by friends who's kids went through the old SAP programs that Aegon Jr should go for trials if he was good enough.
Where did you hear about this with regards Kahibah?. It's completely incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague