Good on Bridges. He didn't just take the money. He stood up for the club against Tinkler's and Stubbs regime
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Good on Bridges. He didn't just take the money. He stood up for the club against Tinkler's and Stubbs regime
It always amazes me that the powerful never see their fall coming, even so close to the end.
They are too used to treating people like pawns and are surprised to see their pawns display free will.
I'm with pv4 on this one...backlash from the community or come out smelling like roses. With a family and business in newy the latter made more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
I must state though, I have no issue with Bridges attempting to save his own rep here.
What I am most interested in is his motives.
The Lost 5 plus at least Zane have all stated that they saw issues with where Stubbins and Tinkler were heading with the club, and wanted to save not only the club but football in general in Newcastle. They united together to make a stand against this.
Seemingly, Bridges did not unite with them. And judging by his media release, he seems only to have resigned due to the fact that he thought the manner in which the guys were let go wasn't professional enough.
So the whole saving Newcastle football etc, that The Lost 5 and the coaches seem to be insistent on, doesn't seem to be Bridges' motivator. That's what I'm most interested in here.
Firstly, this is just me looking at other reasons for discussion, because I don't know. I'm just trying to be a balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
I wonder, does Stubbins have all of his relevant coaching credentials? Does Bridges? could this be a reason he was retained and the others weren't?
Perhaps Bridges supported the players? Maybe he was retained because Stubbins needed someone? Or his approach with Stubbins was different to Zane et. al.?
Was Bridges a Stubbins appointment? He played with lots of these players for a number of years and maybe he felt a need to stay and support them? Maybe he saw what went on in the meeting yesterday and thought "this isn't right" and took the night to mull over his next move?
The Bridges resignation for me is little more than someone clinging on to a serpent to save themselves from drowning.
It wouldn't suprise me if he knew about the player and coaching staff sackings before the players and coaching staff did.
He may have fooled MFKS but he certainly doesn't have me convinced that he's for anyone other than himself.
Jpool IIRC Stubbins had to take charge of Adelaide's ACL campaign because Vidmar didn't have the credentials to do so. So I think Stubbins has more than enough certification to coach in the HAL.
I still have unanswered questions on Bridges' coaching certificates.
OKQuote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Or instead of making a decision straight away, he just slept on it and it still wasn't sitting right with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
After all, the 5 players plus assistants that went because they didn't like what was happening is much the same as Bridges who has quit because he doesn't like the way things are being handled.
Everyone is loving the rumoured extra couple of players who stuck their hands up and said no to stubbins in yesterdays meeting, isn't that exactly the same?
I know your are very anti Bridges so you will always look for even a slight negative in the story involving him but i don't see your point here.
Stubbins: Pro Diploma / AFC 'A' Licence / F.A. International LicenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Bridges: was in the process of finishing a B-licence in 2013 (http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/arti...q1xvbeal6g6hag)
I'm not sure I've actually stated a point but rather asked questions on Bridges motivator.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout
What I am throwing out as a hypothetical is that Bridges had his head too far buried up the arses of Stubbins and Tinkler, similar to the Branko and GVE sagas, rather than be a real teammate/good guy and do what was right for the club&town. And it was only after seeing the backlash from the supporters, media (particularly Andy Harper singling him out!), etc that he decided it was in the best interest for himself to quit - rather than motivators that us supporters can rally behind like The Lost 5, the sacked assistants, and the 3 Amigos. My hypothetical is maybe it wasn't as selfless an act as it seems the rest of the recent departures were.
I'll always support bridges, I think what he did was 100% in support of the sacked players and an act of defiance against the management. He can be quoted as saying today that he hopes that he returns to a role at the Jets and that he has no plans to leave newcastle. Just accept that he loves the club and has its bed interests at heart.
As mentioned above, Cara, Jeronimo and Nev are being hailed as heroes for stadimg up against this regime, so why not bridges too?
So he took a day to think about it, heard or read fans opinions and then made a decision. Isn't that what we want in our club? People who care about what the fans think?Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
You are so anti bridges you are siding with Andy Harper... :wtf:
Last year when Zane took over from GVE and Bridges was given the job as Assistant he was not able to sit on the bench as a coach as his certs were not high enough. He was named as a sub which allowed him on there. That was confirmed by PascoeQuote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
Whether Bridge has got them since not certain but you would assume he would have got them done in over 12 months particularly moving from the playing to coaching aspect of his career
hope FFA step in tomorrow,if so ,I would assume they have a new coach and admin staff already organised. someone like Herbert would fill the bill as an interim,then hopefully the talk about Dundee is true. I fully support the 5,had to happen.Dutchy was an imposter,but stubbins is in a class of his own,when it comes to BS. P.S. Hope new owners ditch the knights colours.
Here you go, pv4...Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
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From what I've heard, people shouldn't be canonising Michael Bridges, Robbie Middleby & Ray Baartz for their resignations #Jets
Who's that from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
@johnnydavidsonQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
I wouldn't take anything that bloke says as gospel either. Blogger masquerading as a journo. And failing at it.
You're a blogger.Quote:
Originally Posted by furns
Wouldn't have gotten as far if it wasn't for his dad. Or is that Jason?
He's the guy from TheRoar, yeah?
To be fair, I don't find a lot wrong with most things he writes.
Pretty sure he is freelance, have seen his stuff on fourfourtwo/theroar and some other places.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
I'm a blogger yes, but I am not a journo and never attempted to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
I have read some of his stuff and I am just not a fan.
Then again theroar is a pretty shit website also. Janek Speight is probably the only decent bloke on there.
They had this really shit Manure fan writing about Liverpool at one stage too. Was dreadful.Quote:
Originally Posted by furns
You're a blogger? ****, I was using that in the "You're a shit website" kind of way.Quote:
Originally Posted by furns
his "drum skins of the world" is a highly popular blog. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Well this site is a blog I suppose, and I run it so that would make me a blogger?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
And are you calling this site shit Grim?
I feel like one of those monkeys that scientists train that when the pull a lever the get a banana.
And now they have removed the bananas and I'm still pulling the lever. Either that or my refresh button has broken.
Going to go AWOL till Monday. In Lowy we trust.
Wondering how long it would take for uncle branko to put in his 2c
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/c...ed-jets-fiasco
Geez it's hard to gauge the actual truth - were Branko, GVE and Phil completely hamstrung by Middleby, Baartz and Palmer? Why exactly did those three walk? Was it that Tinkler had stupidly left the club in their hands and found out a few weeks ago it was a basket case that could not be sold? Did the senior players become more agitated because those three were actually their allies telling the coach how to run things?
Someone should write a book one day !
If the shoe fits, furns... if the shoe fits.Quote:
Originally Posted by furns
Interesting read from Branko on 442. Take it with a grain of salt, being an ex-employee, however he talks of the power triangle between Baartz, Middleby and Tinkler.
Also interested to see we missed out on smeltz for a few thousand. And once tinky got the Knights it was all over. It's what we all suspected.
At least bridges can't accused of have a conflict of interest anymore.
Hey guys, haven't been on the forum for a while. What's new?
Can someone tell me whether Bridges' tapas bar is any good?
DIng DIng Its onQuote:
FOOTBALL Federation Australia is set to begin the process of revoking the Jets’ A-League licence if owner Nathan Tinkler does not make good on a commitment to pay the club’s debts by midnight Saturday.
At of the close of business on Friday, Tinkler had not settled liabilities of about $500,000, headed by $140,000 owed to Northern NSW Football and unpaid superannuation.
“This is storm in a teacup stuff ... creditors are getting paid as we speak. It will all be resolved,’’ Tinkler said on Wednesday.
If the mining tycoon misses the deadline, it is not simply a case of FFA taking immediate control of the crisis-torn club.
The governing body must follow due process, which starts with issuing a show-cause notice.
It could be weeks or even months before the situation is finalised.
As well as settling accounts, Tinkler is required to fill key positions at the club, including a chief executive, and rectify other operational issues.
FFA contacted Tinkler on Friday but later told the Herald there had been ‘‘no significant developments’’.
“FFA reiterates its position that the Jets must immediately address a range of issues in relation to the club’s finances, personnel and operations,” a spokesperson said.
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The deadline caps off a chaotic week in which a player revolt against coach Phil Stubbins led to the sacking of three support staff and five senior players.
In a statement on Wednesday night, the Jets announced their intention to pay out the contracts of captain Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi, and sack David Carney for disciplinary reasons.
The cull of the senior players followed the dismissal of Clayton Zane (assistant coach), Neil Young (goalkeeping coach) and Andrew Packer (trainer).
Assistant coach and former captain Michael Bridges joined the exodus, resigning on Friday.
Professional Football Australia chief executive Adam Vivian said the players union had received a draft of mutual termination offers to the players and were awaiting final documents.
‘‘There are some big decisions to be made here,’’ Vivian said.
‘‘Our legal team will view the offers, but we always encourage the players to get independent advice.
‘‘They also have to consult with their families. They need to check the numbers and make sure it is the correct contract value.
‘‘Considering there are already outstanding obligations, what checks and balances will be made to ensure those obligations are met.’’
The arrival of the termination offers also opened the way for players to ‘‘explore opportunities’’ at other clubs before the transfer window closed on Tuesday.
Vivian said Carney’s situation remained unresolved. After initially offering to pay out the final 18 months of Carney’s contract, the Jets moved to sack him, with no payout, over three alleged breach notices.
‘‘A disciplinary notification was sent to David and we have formally written back and rejected the claims they have made,’’ Vivian said.
The Jets’ 13 remaining players, including three who spoke out against Stubbins at a team meeting on Thursday, returned to the training paddock on Friday.
Vivian said all players were committed to meeting their contractual obligations.
Stubbins plans to meet individually with all players over the weekend.
Tinkler remains at odds with the FFA over $5million he claims to be owed, a figure he maintains he paid as an acquisition fee when he replaced Con Constantine as owner in 2010.
‘‘Is there also a deadline for me getting my $5million back from the FFA. Is that a deadline too?’’ he told the World Game website.
The Herald reported in May 2012 that Tinkler had paid FFA a $3.5million acquisition fee when he took the controls.
Tinkler tried to hand back the licence over the fee before reaching a compromise at a meeting with FFA chairman Frank Lowy in a Brisbane airport hangar.
A source said the FFA regarded Tinkler’s claim for $5million as laughable.
Doesn't the red facts clearly contradict the claim in greenQuote:
COACH Phil Stubbins has started to rebuild the Newcastle Jets, a squad he assembled four months ago.
Stubbins and the 13 players remaining from an initial squad of 23 hit the training paddock for the first time on Friday since the 7-0 capitulation to Adelaide and subsequent mass sackings after a failed player push to have the coach removed.
Assistant coach and former skipper Michael Bridges joined the departure list before the training session, tendering his resignation.
Youth team boss James Pascoe, who is the only survivor from the initial coaching group, and Stubbins conducted the field session at Ray Watt Oval.
Former Central Coast custodian Jesse Vanstrattan worked the goalkeepers.
Vanstrattan and former Jets assistant coach Mark Jones, who was not there on Friday, are expected to be formally announced as part of a new-look support staff.
Previously on the books at Juventus, Vanstrattan replaces Neil Young, who, along with assistant Clayton Zane and trainer Andrew Packer, was dismissed on Wednesday.
Captain Kew Jaliens, former A-League Golden Boot and Johnny Warren medallist Joel Griffiths, and senior players David Carney, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi were also shown the door.
Stubbins recruited Young and Packer, who both moved to Newcastle to join the Jets’ coaching staff last year in the build-up to the 2014-2015 A-League campaign.
The coach also signed Madaschi and Celeski.
Two other Stubbins recruits, imports Marcos Flores and Jonny Steele, left the club less than six months into their contracts.
Appointed in May, Stubbins brought in nine new faces for the start of a season in which the Jets have won once in 15 games.
Apart from the departure of the five senior players on Wednesday, the coach has signed off on the release mid-contract of Mark Birighitti, Flores, Connor Chapman, Adam Taggart, Josh Brillante, Ruben Zadkovich, Zenon Caravella, Mitch Oxborrow, Craig Goodwin, Steele and Sam Gallaway.
In defending the decision to gut the club, owner Nathan Tinkler said it was ‘‘hard to judge a coach when he is forced to take on not just an inherited squad but also an inherited coaching staff’’.
There are not too many coaches in soccer who can say they will win with any squad and any coaching staff. They need their people around them, people they trust and believe in to implement the style of play they want,’’ Tinkler said.
‘‘Now Phil will get the chance to have the squad he wants by the start of next year, and for the rest of this year he will have a bunch of players there that will have to prove they are worthy of being in that squad next season
’’In Jaliens, Griffiths, Carney, Madaschi and Celeski, the perceived leaders in the failed player-led coup to oust Stubbins, 333 A-League games and 72 internationals’ worth of experience is lost.
The Jets are also yet to replace Flores, Birighitti, Steele and Gallaway.
Former Olyroos striker Travis Cooper arrived in Newcastle from the United Kingdom on Friday and, pending a medical, will be added to the roster as an injury replacement for James Virgili.
Defender Daniel Mullen has been released by Western Sydney Wanderers and is poised to join the Jets for the rest of the season.
Brisbane Roar third-string keeper Matt Acton trained on Friday and is likely to fill the void left by Birighitti.
The Jets are believed to be close to finalising deals with Thai-based Spanish defender David Rochela, Northcote City (Victorian premier league) captain Adrian Chiappetta and former North Queensland Fury midfielder Alex Smith.
The transfer window closes on Tuesday but does not apply to players who are not under contract.
Mullen’s departure has opened the way for Gallaway to join Wanderers’ A-League roster after signing a deal for the Asian Champions League last month.
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It is understood Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski, Adrian Madaschi and David Carney want to return to training as early as this weekend unless the club agrees to the mutual termination of their contracts and the payment of their full entitlements, including superannuation.
Exiled defender Madaschi did exactly that on Friday, attending the team's first session since the 7-0 mauling against Adelaide United last week.
He completed gym work separate from the main group, who were put through their paces by under-fire coach Phil Stubbins and youth coach Jimmy Pascoe.
The case of Carney, who was axed for disciplinary reasons, is being handled separately from the other four.
Carney has been handed a breach notice by the club suggesting he broke a "three strikes" policy.
"The PFA stance is these five players still remain contracted players at the Newcastle Jets," Professional Footballers' Australia boss Adam Vivian said.
"We have seen no formal written correspondence in relation to anyone with the exception of David Carney and, in the case of David Carney, our position is that our lawyers are currently reviewing the breach notice David received."
Meanwhile, former Jets premiership winner and PFA vice-president Ante Covic has savaged the club's actions, claiming it is damaging to the game in Australia.
"They are extremely disturbing, football is already a very precarious career and this type of behaviour is hugely damaging to Australian football," Covic said.
"There is no place for this type of behaviour in the A-League. This damages the reputation of the game in Newcastle and across the country."
So how come Madaschi is allowed to train yet Griff was told to **** off the day before when he fronted???
https://twitter.com/TheWorldGame/sta...385281/photo/1
SBS know how to lure the big man out - send in the hot chicks !
Those players were signed while Stubbins was the coach but the question that hasn't been answered is were they forced upon Stubbins by Middleby and co.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Whoever signed them had rocks in their head though. Johny Steele was the most baffling of them all