The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

That's an ideological perspective which numerous empirical studies have proven to be false.

The biggest creators or red tape and compliance are the private sector not governments.

Joe Hockey found this out the hard way when he commissioned a report into productivity in Australia using Deloitte [Chris Richardson and friends].

The report was released at the end of October 2014 and anyone wanting to register at http://www2.deloitte.com/au/en/pages...r-own-way.html can have a good laugh at neo-liberal ideology chocking itself to death.



Estimates suggest that reducing this self imposed compliance would add around 1.6% to GDP.

The biggest problem with neo-liberals in general is that they build models based on ideological assumptions rather than facts and then wonder why they tie themselves in knots.

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Ha ha, keep believing that.
Or you could own your own business and see first hand some of the ridiculous shit you need to go through.

What governments (of all persuasions) lack sometimes is some common sense because they tend to be full of people with lots of experience reading studies and not many with any practical experience in the field.

As for red tape, we live in litigious society. When law makers (governments) allow us to waltz through life with zero personal accountability then it's a constant battle for everyone to cover their own asses every step of the way.

So yeah, in a big way governments contribute to the mess.

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Originally Posted by plague

Ha ha, keep believing that.
Or you could own your own business and see first hand some of the ridiculous shit you need to go through.

What governments (of all persuasions) lack sometimes is some common sense because they tend to be full of people with lots of experience reading studies and not many with any practical experience in the field.

As for red tape, we live in litigious society. When law makers (governments) allow us to waltz through life with zero personal accountability then it's a constant battle for everyone to cover their own asses every step of the way.

So yeah, in a big way governments contribute to the mess.

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I respect what you are saying Plague as it is a commonly held belief among many business types. But unfortunately the evidence suggests that our economy is ruled by oligarchy rather than democracy.

Governments are part of the problem but they are not the source of the problem.

Chicago School economist George Stigler in a 1971 paper titled "The Theory of Economic Regulation: suggested that governments do not create monopolies in industries by accident.

He argued that governments regulate at the behest of producers who “capture” the regulatory agency and use regulation to prevent competition.

This stance is pretty much universally accepted by both academics and business types - especially the small producers that are more efficient and yet unable to penetrate the market due to simply being too small.

Capture Theory is the raison d'etre for lobby groups. And if the recent events in NSW state politics haven't opened your eyes up to this nothing in the world would convince you otherwise.

Moreover, since Stigler's paper in 1971 businesses have sought to stifle competition not only external to their business but from within it as well via HR departments, micromanagement and so on.

The real victims though are small business as the lobby groups might pretend to be on the side of small business but the evidence to suggest otherwise is overwhelming both empirically and anecdotally.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

the evidence suggests that our economy is ruled by oligarchy rather than democracy.

Governments are part of the problem but they are not the source of the problem.

Chicago School economist George Stigler in a 1971 paper titled "The Theory of Economic Regulation: suggested that governments do not create monopolies in industries by accident.

He argued that governments regulate at the behest of producers who “capture” the regulatory agency and use regulation to prevent competition.

This stance is pretty much universally accepted by both academics and business types - especially the small producers that are more efficient and yet unable to penetrate the market due to simply being too small.

Capture Theory is the raison d'etre for lobby groups. And if the recent events in NSW state politics haven't opened your eyes up to this nothing in the world would convince you otherwise.

Moreover, since Stigler's paper in 1971 businesses have sought to stifle competition not only external to their business but from within it as well via HR departments, micromanagement and so on.

The real victims though are small business as the lobby groups might pretend to be on the side of small business but the evidence to suggest otherwise is overwhelming both empirically and anecdotally.

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yeah agree on this but i think the root of all the problem is greed. like it or not 99.9% of the population is affected by it. governments are charged with trying to point the needle in the right place between giving people something to aspire to and to achieve their dreams, and making sure that the people above you dont block you achieving it. sadly there is no real perfect position. different viewpoints all think that the power should lie with the employer, the employee, or the govt itself. somewhere in the middle is prob the answer but good luck agreeing on it.
as for the pollies, corruption and the like were going on well before the latest batch. i gave up thinking pollies from either persuasion gave a toss long long long ago. sadly power corrupts people in all walks of life be they pollies, business leaders, sports stars or union officials.

oh and lobby groups......dont start me. a pox on all their houses.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA

Not really politics related but if you haven't heard, Armed hold up in the Lindt Cafe in Martin Place by ISIS follower/Member

Only reported as ISIS by everyone... turns out is not ISIS flag being shown.

Not that it matters, really.

****ing hell.

It has been shown mate, they keep moving it from window to window.

And who said ISIS wasn't a real threat

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Originally Posted by Buddha

It has been shown mate, they keep moving it from window to window.

And who said ISIS wasn't a real threat

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It's not an ISIS flag though.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=i...m=122&ie=UTF-8

It's a Shahada flag.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=i...a+flag&spell=1

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Originally Posted by Grimario

It's not an ISIS flag though.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=i...m=122&ie=UTF-8

It's a Shahada flag.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=i...a+flag&spell=1

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Well spotted, still ****ed and should be killed

It's times like these there should be a cooling off period before Pollies are allowed to speak.
Can only imagine the crap that's going to start coming out of the hippies and rednecks alike.

Channel 9 have just asked a business owner in Martin Place "how much money will you lose today because of this?"

****ing hell.

Can't wait for Robert Dillon to link this to HSG and the Jets.

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Originally Posted by Buddha

Not really politics related but if you haven't heard, Armed hold up in the Lindt Cafe in Martin Place by ISIS follower/Member

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It ain't me and I take offence to being associated with anything to do with going to a coffee shop. Rather go for a beer than sit around with hipster lefty clowns sipping lattes

Buddha you reckon you know where to find me come down and confirm it ain't me then cause you will know exactly where to find me :sparring:

Why the **** are people bagging Abbott for not doing anything? It's all happened so quickly that he wouldn't even have had a chance to even think about it before a meeting would have been called, leave it to the Police to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Buddha

Why the **** are people bagging Abbott for not doing anything? It's all happened so quickly that he wouldn't even have had a chance to even think about it before a meeting would have been called, leave it to the Police to deal with it.

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People seem too caught up in the whole movie fantasy that the Obama type figure is meant to sort all these things out.

I've seen somewhere that they have a picture of his face now. Surely this will draw to a close very soon.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

It ain't me and I take offence to being associated with anything to do with going to a coffee shop. Rather go for a beer than sit around with hipster lefty clowns sipping lattes

Buddha you reckon you know where to find me come down and confirm it ain't me then cause you will know exactly where to find me :sparring:

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I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.

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Originally Posted by pv4

People seem too caught up in the whole movie fantasy that the Obama type figure is meant to sort all these things out.

I've seen somewhere that they have a picture of his face now. Surely this will draw to a close very soon.

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Let the TAC squad deal with this and don't give them anything, they want exposure, they want the PM to deal with it, don't let them, it's the typical terrorism play straight from the playbook

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Originally Posted by Buddha

Let the TAC squad deal with this and don't give them anything, they want exposure, they want the PM to deal with it, don't let them, it's the typical terrorism play straight from the playbook

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And yet we are all commenting about it on an open forum. The horse has already bolted.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

And yet we are all commenting about it on an open forum. The horse has already bolted.

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The very fact that the world found out about it mostly from a news site showing pictures of the hostages in the window - the situation was fxxxed from the start.

It's directly across the road from C7 in Sydney... surely it's all about media exposure for them.

In the space of 5 minutes...

"Man arrested, situation over, people now being released from Lindt Cafe"



"Man arrested nothing to do with events inside cafe, people being released are those that were in apartments above cafe, not actually in it"

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Channel 9 have just asked a business owner in Martin Place "how much money will you lose today because of this?"

****ing hell.

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This is the most ****ed up thing of the morning

When I heard this I wanted to break the tv at work

Peoples lives are at stake and there asking about potential money lost

It's Abbotts fault for making Australia such an awful place to exist that the only way to get ahead is to literally chop one off
(Bends over, sniffs fart).
Now, where was I?

Just give this flag wielding retard a blowup sexpig and a merry christmas card.

It would take Abbott a week to think of something by himself.

The longer this draws on, the more idiots come out to have an opinion on this, best one yet was somebody convinced that this is just a conspiracy by the government to distract people from the budget

Good to know people care about those being held hostage

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Originally Posted by Buddha

The longer this draws on, the more idiots come out to have an opinion on this, best one yet was somebody convinced that this is just a conspiracy by the government to distract people from the budget

Good to know people care about those being held hostage

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To be fair though, once we worked out that 9/11 was an inside job all bets were off as to what Givernments will do.

Q-man knows this.

Live interview with an 'expert' on islamic/middle east/just back from Syria guy talking about the group.

Reasonable interview until he drops the "Well, as is the case with most of these hostage situations, they normally end in executions."
How the f*** is that allowed to be broadcast on national television.

woo brilliant from save our rail FFS..... this is disgusting.....

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oh and the people rallying yesty hardly any from the area... one of the blokes is a god damn gypo....


anywho.... happy monday

dear god, another stupid hashtag campaign.
that horseshit always makes me think of this lady.
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/phot...26-720-540.jpg

Two dead plus the gunman. No affiliation with any ground, just a loner. Was on bail for over 40 counts of assault plus accessory to murder. Justice system at work!

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Was on bail for over 40 counts of assault plus accessory to murder. Justice system at work!

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The first finger you point should be directed at racist shitcunce like Pat O'Shane then move down the line to the groups like the greens who make heros and sympathetic figures out of criminals just like this bloke.

But I guess that makes me a redneck doneit?

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Originally Posted by plague

The first finger you point should be directed at racist shitcunce like Pat O'Shane then move down the line to the groups like the greens who make heros and sympathetic figures out of criminals just like this bloke.

But I guess that makes me a redneck doneit?

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The Judicial System needs a review when blokes like this are allowed to walk the streets.

The Decision Makers need removing due to their ineptness. How many cops standing around clocking up overtime all day taking the passive approach whilst someone breaks the law and spreads fear amongst the community. We have a war on terror going on and they chose to negotiate with this bloke?? WTF. Send the SAS in and finish the bloke by lunch time yesterday. No ****ing around with those who choose to create this situation at all. If there are innocent casualties so be it. Better to send a clear concise message what the consequences are and what will be tolerated to the next ****ing nutter thinking of doing something like this instead of giving the idiot his 15 mins of fame.

Also need to look at the left wing fruit loops who promote tolerance to these people yet seemingly are oblivious to the fact they would be the first to die at their hands due to their differing views on many subjects and the same clowns are the ones who stifle any serious debate on the subject by claiming racism because people are not happy to welcome people who wish to slaughter people for having differing religious views and have a variety of views that are incompatible with our society and way of life

I lost a little more faith in humanity when I saw all the pictures of people taking selfies at Martin Place.

But I gained a little more faith in humanity when I saw old bud being evacuated from his building mid-haircut :rof:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...1e9f6c8faabf64

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Two dead plus the gunman. No affiliation with any ground, just a loner. Was on bail for over 40 counts of assault plus accessory to murder. Justice system at work!

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Dont need an affiliation to act on a belief.

Come on, lets face it, at this point in time, this "loner" was acting primarily of the widely publcised world regime of islam hating other religions and there are quite a few others here that agree with him. I do applaud the greater Muslim community for their efforts to stop this idiot because they arent apart of this but the underlying regime is here to stay.
This just adds to adds to the many lunatic skips we already have.

Have the Greens come out and blamed everyone else for this yet?

well no-one has blamed the greens yet, except you probably

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Send the SAS in and finish the bloke by lunch time yesterday. No ****ing around with those who choose to create this situation at all. If there are innocent casualties so be it. Better to send a clear concise message what the consequences are and what will be tolerated to the next ****ing nutter thinking of doing something like this instead of giving the idiot his 15 mins of fame.

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the ideology of these blokes hinges around a violent death though - either way you give them what they ultimately want.

i agree with you on the media stuff though, why play the videos he made people film - why give him an outlet. absolute muckraking shite.

Ill tell you why you can't send in the SAS, because they are somewhere else ;)

But really that ideology is that of the United States, all guns blazing, more lives probably would have been lost had they done that, police weren't sure if the cafe was booby trapped but ultimately had no option once he shot one of the hostages. Too many people thinking this is just like the movies

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Originally Posted by Buddha

Too many people thinking this is just like the movies

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qft