2015 NPL Youth

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Originally Posted by mother theresa

Why Blue- not sure where you are going with that statement?
they signed 3 players - f$%k big deal- you apparently signed 6??? Talking to relevant coaches, Magic is the only team along with Olympic, that maintained majority of there squad from last year.

As for A grade not being a match for NPL i disagree, as i heard this game was on, and went to watch. Basically Rosebuds were poor, and so was the A grade team on the night, i think there was luck for 1 team, and keeper errors, which cost 3 or 4 goals, that played in this game, if played again, i think a draw would be more accurate.
Just like the Sthy result, dont read into it-

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MT.........keep your shirt on...............not going anywhere with any statement. Good on Magic & Olympic for keeping stable squad and yes there are 6 new players to CCB 15 squad..............but as I have said before, 2 went to jets, 2 didn't come back from last year and 1 was added as squad only had 15 last year. So really only 1 players from last year that wanted to play with CCB didn't get a spot.
Anyway all teams should be chasing the best possible squad.............so no drama's from me. My comment was simply along the lines that Magic, by adding 3 quality players, should be a better squad this year than last.

As for NPL v A grade.............do not even want to start this again. NPL is highest level, if you want to play highest level play NPL................simple. Not a question about players and their ability, just a fact. That said, why would a good player want to play in the 2nd comp ????

Also many NPL players not interested in playing for Emerging Jets.

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Originally Posted by Y Bloo?

Also many NPL players not interested in playing for Emerging Jets.

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For sure , Emerging Jets does not automatically mean best kids are in those teams.

Apparently most NPL teams from BM Magic are playing Emerging Jets this weekend at the new Speers Point facility. Should be interesting.
Anyway, here's wishing all teams a great 2015.

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Originally Posted by Y Bloo?

Also many NPL players not interested in playing for Emerging Jets.

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valid point & welcome Y Bloo.............nice name

Kids should not have to play for EJ's to be identified as talented, NNSWF own website shows a talented player pathway that has scouting/ID from Zone SAP U/10 all the way thru to NPL U/17. In reality if the kid is playing with a good strong team with capable players around him/her and a coach who has some ability to develop the kids and bring them forward, than that is all you can ask for, if this is in NPL or EJ's doesn't matter as long as kid is progressing.

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Originally Posted by I changed my user name

For sure , Emerging Jets does not automatically mean best kids are in those teams.

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Agreed, but to be fair most deserve their spot, but yes in most age groups there are some players in NPL that could if given the opportunity fit into these squads with no problems at all. But they have to want to ...........

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Originally Posted by Wire Blew

Apparently most NPL teams from BM Magic are playing Emerging Jets this weekend at the new Speers Point facility. Should be interesting.
Anyway, here's wishing all teams a great 2015.

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Wire Blew............another great name.

any idea of times for these games, might drop by, check out new facility and what should be some cracker games.

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Originally Posted by Why Blue

Wire Blew............another great name.

any idea of times for these games, might drop by, check out new facility and what should be some cracker games.

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13s at 9, 14s at 10.30, 15s at 12, 17s at 1.30, 19s at 3.30, 22s at 5.30.
Games on Sunday at Speers Point and I believe the times refer to Magic teams who will be playing EJs teams from age below.

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Originally Posted by Wire Blew

13s at 9, 14s at 10.30, 15s at 12, 17s at 1.30, 19s at 3.30, 22s at 5.30.
Games on Sunday at Speers Point and I believe the times refer to Magic teams who will be playing EJs teams from age below.

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Thanks
Shame I will be at Weston for our trial games.

Magic V Jets should be great games from two teams that will be strong in all ages...........

Also does not mean best kids in NPL either.
Take my hat off to clubs supporting playeers through development but some clubs politics play a role here.
Ie witnessed Sth Cardiff v maitland 17s last Sunday...amazed to see what looked like a 12 or 13 year old on the field for Southy....he's not able to compete due to size etc and does not have the talent to make up the difference so why is the club persisting with his selection at the expense of a player who can compete? There will be many many players in New FM comp
With higher abilities.
Seems a common scenario in Newy football.

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Originally Posted by 433

Also does not mean best kids in NPL either.
Take my hat off to clubs supporting playeers through development but some clubs politics play a role here.
Ie witnessed Sth Cardiff v maitland 17s last Sunday...amazed to see what looked like a 12 or 13 year old on the field for Southy....he's not able to compete due to size etc and does not have the talent to make up the difference so why is the club persisting with his selection at the expense of a player who can compete? There will be many many players in New FM comp
With higher abilities.
Seems a common scenario in Newy football.

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Not sure about kid you are talking about but maybe there are a few scenarios, maybe no better kids turned up to trial ?? or maybe it is political as you seem to suggest. If its political than the club will suffer, simple and short sighted. If its because no one better trialled, then how do we get these kids that are in NEW FM, A Grade etc to come and play NPL ???

I have no doubt that there are some players in A grade comp that would get a start in a few NPL teams. But are they trialling ??? do they want to play NPL ???

Its only 2nd year of NPL and I am sure as time goes by most players that want to test themselves and play against the better teams/players will find themselves a home in NPL.

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Originally Posted by 433

Also does not mean best kids in NPL either.
Take my hat off to clubs supporting playeers through development but some clubs politics play a role here.
Ie witnessed Sth Cardiff v maitland 17s last Sunday...amazed to see what looked like a 12 or 13 year old on the field for Southy....he's not able to compete due to size etc and does not have the talent to make up the difference so why is the club persisting with his selection at the expense of a player who can compete? There will be many many players in New FM comp
With higher abilities.
Seems a common scenario in Newy football.

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Speculation about his age unless you actually know him, so how can you question what the club is doing? ?????? and I think size doesn't matter it is age that determines where you play.....some of the best footballers over the years have been the size of hobbits........

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Originally Posted by Jardelsimage

Speculation about his age unless you actually know him, so how can you question what the club is doing? ?????? and I think size doesn't matter it is age that determines where you play.....some of the best footballers over the years have been the size of hobbits........

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I bet messi was a giant when he was 12-13, he's turned out to be alright.

So how old was he when you asked? Or are we just assuming he's actually 12-13 because he is smaller? Maybe he had a bad game? Maybe the club see that he has potential? Maybe they gave a game to one of their younger team players as they were short(pun not intended). Without knowing the full story, or seeing him play more than once, it's a bit tough to make a legitimate comment on. Who really cares? Young bloke having a go, good on him. Obviously can't be too bad if Southy ended up winning, against Maitland who are well known for their junior base up that way.

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Originally Posted by namwob99

I bet messi was a giant when he was 12-13, he's turned out to be alright.

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He always had the talent but they were worried he would never be big enough physically to showcase it


All the Human Growth meds he got helped him out.

Player is 16.
However my comments are not aimed at the player personally, yes it's Great he's having a go.
And Yes he does have potential...as do all young players.
No, they were not short of players on the day,he's a regular player.
I couldn't agree more regarding short satire players in the game, there have been too many to list.
Look around many youth games at NPL around the country and youth leagues around the world they are there, sure,
But the difference is these players make up for the size disadvantage with above average skill sets and football brains,
If your short you have to have something else..something special.
Been around the game playing and coaching so long and caring, yes I care, about these age groups that it concerns me when I see a player like this who would develop far better in a lower grade like NEWFM or A grade.
He will have more time to develop the obvious skills he will need as his age peers develop even more physically over the next year or so, which begs the question... Where does a player like this go after 17s.?
So, my point is he would be better off in lower grade an give another player in lower grade who is capable of stepping up the chance to develop also.Theres plenty of em.
So, politics? Maybe but not to his benefit.

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Originally Posted by 433

Where does a player like this go after 17s.?
So, my point is he would be better off in lower grade an give another player in lower grade who is capable of stepping up the chance to develop also.Theres plenty of em.
So, politics? Maybe but not to his benefit.

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I don't really understand what the big deal is?
He's 16 playing in U/17s. So the initial controversy of them playing a 12-13 year old is out the window.
Yes, I agree, there probably are better players playing in A-Grade, or NewFM, or wherever. This is the case with every football team everywhere. There are better players playing NEWFM than in some NPL squads. There are better players playing 12G than in some 12A. All for varying reasons. We've had this discussion before, saying that Emerging Jets are not the best 11 in NPL. There's always somebody who could be given a shot over somebody else.
And I disagree that he would be better off in a lower grade and develop more. Any high/elite level exposure you can get is more beneficial. He will be better off with a year in NPL Youth, than a year in NEWFM. I daresay any player would (if they are getting same amount of game time).

The point re: where to after 17s is a good point. I guess these players that play through the junior ranks of the NPL set up, only a few are going to make it into seniors. Those that don't generally filter down the various competitions.

Trial game scores today that I know the score of

Hamilton 15s 2-1 over Adamstown.
Hamilton 17s 1-1 Adamstown

Adamstown led both games.

Jets 2-0 over Magic 17s. Apparently the timekeeping by the refs was interesting.

The other two Hamilton- Adamstown games were close. But don't know the scores.

Jets v Magic
13s 14s & 15s all ended in close wins to Magic.
14s lucky to get result. 15s very dominant by Magic until late in the game when players rested to back up for 17s who were short on numbers.

New facilities at Speers Point made it hard on all players yesterday. The surface doesn't have a sprinkler system and the boys struggled in the heat and with blisters. The pitches are also smaller than most they would play on. Apart from that it was impressive.

Magic vs FMNC in Taree on Sunday. Should be another early guide for those looking to assess team form and recruitment.

Recruitment, what a laugh, it's kids football, who cares who wins, it's development, some parents shouldn't be anywhere near kids sport

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Recruitment, what a laugh, it's kids football, who cares who wins, it's development, some parents shouldn't be anywhere near kids sport

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Why this forum is a joke.

yet you're all still on here, banging out the posts eh

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Originally Posted by q-money

yet you're all still on here, banging out the posts eh

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That's it. Just checking that NPL is better than A-div and who's recruited best in NPL u/13's!!

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Recruitment, what a laugh, it's kids football, who cares who wins, it's development, some parents shouldn't be anywhere near kids sport

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Whilst I suspect the word recruitment was a bit tongue in cheek. It is naive to think that it does not go on. Both years of NPL Youth 2014 & 2015 I received calls from clubs wanting to know what my son was doing, would he consider, etc etc.

I have no issues really, clubs should be about trying to get talented kids to their clubs and then providing a pathway of development that could see the kid progress to 1st grade or further.

Just need to get those club coach's/officials away from the gates at Macquarie/Newcastle & Hunter at the end of U/12

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Originally Posted by namwob99

That's it. Just checking that NPL is better than A-div and who's recruited best in NPL u/13's!!

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Yep just checked, NPL Youth is a much stronger comp that A grade, nothing has changed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want any indication..............Rosebuds U/15 NPL 7 v Magic U/15A 1......................so last years Grandfinal winning team in 14A's get thrashed by a team that did not make semi finals.............proof enough for me

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Recruitment, what a laugh, it's kids football, who cares who wins, it's development, some parents shouldn't be anywhere near kids sport

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FR Delivering the Haymakers as per usual:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by MFKS

FR Delivering the Haymakers as per usual:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by MFKS

FR Delivering the Haymakers as per usual:thumbsup:

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Beautiful stuff FR- I like you already. It was a tongue in cheek comment but unfortunately it does go on (even though they are kids and not playing A-League)

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Originally Posted by The Northern Defender

Beautiful stuff FR- I like you already. It was a tongue in cheek comment but unfortunately it does go on (even though they are kids and not playing A-League)

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It's called scouting and goes on all around the world.

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Recruitment, what a laugh, it's kids football, who cares who wins, it's development, some parents shouldn't be anywhere near kids sport

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this is a bit of a cop out really, its easy to blame parents for everything !!!!! and yes some parents are golden...............no doubt
But the fact is whether we like it or not clubs chase kids. I'm not talking about one parent ringing another asking how johnny is enjoying xyz.......I'm talking about club officials, coaches etc making direct contact with me as a parent asking whether my son would be interested in playing for xyz......

It happens and to continue to look at parents as the issue is just stupid......................not landing hay-makers as some would like to see it.

It all goes hand in hand.................clubs stroke parental ego's along by calling and offering positions. Clubs approach under 12 development coaches to bring whole teams to their club, the crap that parents went on with last year when trials were being held for U/13's ...........my god, at U/12 those parents thought they were negotiating A League contracts ...............but all stroked along by clubs wanting coaches to bring whole teams.

As I have previously said, I don't really have an issue, clubs should want to have the strongest and best players in all grades/age divisions. Then a strong club naturally attracts stronger players so the club should stay strong.

But please don't just keep blaming parents....................ffs

Until you referee a junior game. Whether it be the old Rooball, 11G, 15A, or NPL Youth, you truly don't understand how ridiculous and over the top SOME parents go.

Well said Why Blue I agree with all your comments.
It is just a shame that some parents (and players) do get too caught up in believing that they are making it in the "big time" and it sometimes ends up in football becoming something that is no longer enjoyable for both.
NPL is primarily a development comp but obviously clubs want the players who develop the best wearing their shirt. Looking forward to the season ahead anyway.

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Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

Until you referee a junior game. Whether it be the old Rooball, 11G, 15A, or NPL Youth, you truly don't understand how ridiculous and over the top SOME parents go.

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100% this is becoming a problem as referee numbers drop partially for this reason. Some people do need some perspective and to realise that it is kids sport and not a life or death battle!

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Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

Until you referee a junior game. Whether it be the old Rooball, 11G, 15A, or NPL Youth, you truly don't understand how ridiculous and over the top SOME parents go.

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yep agree 100%.........i have witnessed some terrible parental behaviour, usually worse the lower the grades go and yes SOME parents are way over the top.............like the 15/A coach that blew up at club official because another 15/A team trains at grounds the same time as his team...........to quote " they could steal our tactics "........................seriously

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Originally Posted by The Northern Defender

NPL is primarily a development comp but obviously clubs want the players who develop the best wearing their shirt. Looking forward to the season ahead anyway.

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Yes NPL Youth is a development comp, aimed at developing youth with a view to NPL senior comps, there is a coaching curriculum set down by FFA, this is supposed to be enforced by NNSWF.

Where it gets let down is by some clubs or coaches who adopt a win at all cost mentality. Last week in a trail game one team played 4-5-1 formation........obviously knowing they could not match the opposition so just trying to defend ( ala Stubbins )
Also in same game, same coach send out big 9 to match up against a much smaller 4............thats ok............but the 4 was playing his first game in nearly 12 months, returning from serious injury. The coach sent the 9 out to "hassle the little fella, run over him". He did, the 9 monstered the 4, caused him all sorts of problems, gave up a goal. The coach of the 4 left him out there.................why..............because " it's a trial game"
Thats right its a trial game, time to sort out positions, new players and even players returning from injury............now imagine if the coach hooked the 4 after the goal...............confidence gone.......shattered. But by leaving him out there the kid lifted, he built confidence, he worked out how to handle it.

NPL needs more coaching for development, not coaching to win !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Problem is................coaching to win keeps parents happy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Why Blue

Yes NPL Youth is a development comp, aimed at developing youth with a view to NPL senior comps, there is a coaching curriculum set down by FFA, this is supposed to be enforced by NNSWF.

Where it gets let down is by some clubs or coaches who adopt a win at all cost mentality. Last week in a trail game one team played 4-5-1 formation........obviously knowing they could not match the opposition so just trying to defend ( ala Stubbins )
Also in same game, same coach send out big 9 to match up against a much smaller 4............thats ok............but the 4 was playing his first game in nearly 12 months, returning from serious injury. The coach sent the 9 out to "hassle the little fella, run over him". He did, the 9 monstered the 4, caused him all sorts of problems, gave up a goal. The coach of the 4 left him out there.................why..............because " it's a trial game"
Thats right its a trial game, time to sort out positions, new players and even players returning from injury............now imagine if the coach hooked the 4 after the goal...............confidence gone.......shattered. But by leaving him out there the kid lifted, he built confidence, he worked out how to handle it.

NPL needs more coaching for development, not coaching to win !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Problem is................coaching to win keeps parents happy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Spot on

Anyone know what Jim Foley's up to these days ?
Posting here as I expect he'd be with juniors somewhere, and apologies if has already been mentioned elsewhere.

Adamstown vs Southy on Sunday normal NPL youth game times. Not at normal Southy field, I think at Evans Park.