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[QUOTE=mother theresa;91347]does that mean I was wrong every other time ????Quote:
Originally Posted by Why Blue
But seriously when I say GVE should ask................i mean he should beg.........if that is what Brisbane are offering their youth than hats off to them they will be eventual winner as youth filters thru. Jets have it right with Jets Youth...................just really need to rethink current EJ program...........IMHO
What can be done differently?
What would you like to see happen?
Good Questions and I dont claim to have all the answers but..........................Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
1. Do we need the EJ Program ?? now with NPL Youth in place we have a top level competition that players can compete in. Distribute existing EJ kids thru NPL clubs to strengthen clubs, then NNSWF could do what it is supposed to do..................develop football for ALL players. Help clubs with coaching etc. It is all working towards this now with club accreditation, coach accreditation etc lets concentrate efforts towards this.
2. If we must have an EJ program make it FREE yes no $$$$$ ( sorry to all at Northern who have just spurted coffee everywhere ) If program is free than kids can be removed/replaced, currently you pay your money you are in, all year no matter what. Imagine spotting a kid 1/2 way thru season and being able to give him/her a chance..............wow novel concept. Imagine a kid gets injury for say 6-8 weeks, bring in a new kid, give him/her some development, who knows what might happen. But currently kid gets hurt, kid has bad attitude, kid form drops or just not handling program no worries kid stays in program, potential places for development taken by kids unable or unwilling to participate. If program is truly about development than kids should be able to be replaced.
In my "perfect" world if we really need an EJ program than run it separate to NPL, ie a training squad, one for each age group that is picked from players with in the NPL comp. They can train once a week, play scheduled games against appropriate competition ( sydney etc ) every month or so. The squad IS interchangeable so if a kid has been in good form in NPL they can move into squad as such if a child is not performing for what ever reason they can be removed from the squad. This squad would also be basis for National and State titles that NNSW compete in.
Just a start................discuss
Just a question, if you have been selected and want to play for club ie in this case U/19 CCB what is problem with paying ??? My belief is that all clubs seek payment once selected, it commits you, nothing worse than picking A over B only for A to go elsewhere so you go back to B but he has committed to another club etc etc ..............Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
Why Blue, I couldn't agree more - if the clubs are fair dinkum and the NPL is successful in developing youth players, according to the FFA curriculum, then why not have the EJ players play for a club with quality coaching? As you said, the best of the best could then be called into an elite squad. And those players who step up and develop throughout the season could then be called in mid-year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Why Blue
You would still find the political enviornment and the club and/or parents connections will be a big factor in selection to the higher level.
So true, would love stats on kids in EJ, Macquarie, Hunter, Newcastle whose parents have been involved with club or higher, ie committee, coaching etcQuote:
Originally Posted by hamburgler
from what i saw most every child involved had an "active" parent.
Considering the current clubs can't develop quality players who make an impact on the HAL and can't produce Socceroos they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Why Blue
The EJ can change and improve some aspects of their set up but to claim the NPL clubs are the answer when they have done **** all in the last 40 years is ****ing laughable
You seem to be constantly complaining about the poor level of quality available in the NPL, NEW FM, Zone etc correct ???Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
NPL Youth is in its first year, lets give it a chance, from what I have seen clubs are getting behind it as they realize it could provide some kids in the years to come.
Maybe what we need to do is stop trying to develop socceroo's and maybe concentrate more on developing kids thru club environment give them a path that they can see, rather than leading down a road that will probably, for most, crash head on with some sort of failure.
I think we stopped worrying about developing Socceroos players a long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Why Blue
Whilst ever our aim is to not be producing the best in the country we are selling ourselves short. It should be our goal to be looking at our NT and being able to see quite a few from the NNSW region in the squads that go to WC and not be cheering on one bloke the Jets poached from elsewhere who is just passing through our club on his career journey.
As for the EJ program yes it should be free but serious question is where is the money coming from?? Tinks already pumps his coin in and to fully fund the EJ program is looking at more of a loss to his hip pocket and considering he wants out of the Jets as if he is gonna commit to more loss??
The selection process needs to be looked at big time cause they are not getting it right. By and large the better kids are ending up there but there are quite a few slipping through the cracks that needs to stop. Hopefully in time this is rectified.
As for giving the NPL clubs a chance Yoof development has been there domain for a couple of hundred years. Results are in and they ain't pretty.
To rely solely on them when the joints are run by volunteers with varying levels of abilities and then add in the fact that NPL clubs are more focused on winning a trophy by buying a side to win the comp then you could argue yoof development is not at the fore front of their goals
fundamentally I can agree with a lot of what you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
We need to give a pathway for talented youth and we should be striving for best practice and yes wouldn't it be great to see a local lad in next world cup and again in 2022 etc
As for cost, well tinks doesn't fully fund EJ program,it is a joint venture between FFA, NNSWF & Jets equally funded and I'm sure with approx 150 kids kicking $850 each that goes a long way towards program. If it was only training squads the program would be cheaper to run, less of everything including coaches which would have to be a good thing. Maybe a $100 fee if in squad, refundable if replaced and new kid in pays $100 to cover insurance etc and if only a training squad they only need a training strip, not several and jackets and hoodies and, and........
Selection process is biggest single issue but is so subjective. Again if you didn't pay $850 and your place wasn't secure it might be different. Then the believe that once in the "system" child progresses at a superior rate so really cant ever be taken out........................crap. But also EJ personal need to watch NPL youth games, week in week out, they cant because they have their own team participating. If they watch they can invite new players in, not just rely on poaching kids from Mariners Academy ( which is defunct now ) that is just lazy and frankly an insult to kids playing NPL in local area.
But i still think we need to give clubs a chance, yes some do better jobs than others but now with NPL requirements I think all clubs are getting behind Youth and i think time will show results.
I think the NPL deserves a bit more of a chance. The restructure provides that coaches need certain qualifications rather than Billy Blogg's dad taking over last minute. It might not have an immediate impact but I believe the idea is to creating a larger pool regarding better learning environments. I believe there are discussions being undertaken by Northern to eventually reduce the available points for each club's first grade squad, placing more emphasis on youth development. Obviously they are allowing time to filter out the current generation of first grader players who club hop like they're changing their undies. I think it will prove to be successful in the future.
As for kids slipping through the cracks, it's a hard one. Players develop at a different rate. One kid might reach his potential at 17, another at 20. It may also depend on their learning environment. One kid might thrive in the EJ program whereas another might struggle but have a field day playing for an NPL side.
Either way you look at it, the restructure has shown that the federation are trying to create a better overall environment for youth development. I think what hurts the process is the constant changing. They need to settle on a structure and allow it to run its course. And in Newcastle's case, better facilities would not go astray!
billy bloggs dad has his uefa pro license.he got it with mother theresa
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Originally Posted by Why Blue
In an ideal world the Jets should be fully funding the EJ program but hey we don't live in an ideal world. I can fully understand Tinks not wearing the full cost but this is issue relates squarely on the shoulders of the FFA. The professional game currently runs at a loss as we are paying players far too much in wages in the HAL so clubs are not putting in place expensive junior programs cause they can not afford to do so.
Thing is in time the kids will be stronger as the years of development in the EJ system take hold and the recruitment aspect will be better by the Jets that locals will not be getting a look in at later ages and the only time they will be bringing kids in from outside will be when they find a young gun from outside the system which is fair enough if they can pick up the next Rogic Taggart Viduka Kewell etc
As for the now yes they should be out scouting the NPL Yoof right now every week regardless of them playing. What does the blokes in charge of the EJ do?? The EJ play 1 day a week and the other day of the weekend they ain't playing the lot of them should be off viewing the NPL Yoof games across the Hunter to identify future talent so they are inviting the right kids to trial and get in the system
As for the NPL I see its role as being slightly different. The NPL is to increase the mean standard of play across the game so the better kids are exposed to higher standards and are thus more talented by the time they rise to the top
Just like the coaching curriculum isn't the bee all and end all of things. It is just increasing the knowledge and football IQ we have which is sadly drastically behind the rest of the world. The more Football IQ we have the smarter we become and new ideas can flourish.
I agree, NPL Youth comp has had 1 year. Lets give it some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by death_sphere
I am lucky enough to have been involved with both EJ & NPL Youth and in my opinion with in age group I watch there are at least 10 kids that could go from NPL to EJ with out any problems. Probably more if they had some exposure to better coaching.
On the flip side i have seen kids go from EJ to NPL and they dont look to have lost anything.
Clubs know they have to develop youth and most are taking it fairly seriously, those clubs will benefit Im sure, time will tell
NNSW were supposed to announce EJ squads on 30th Sept or at least invited kids by this date, but have heard they're delaying til 7th Oct which comes after some clubs trialling for their NPL teams? Can anyone offer any light on this ?
Are the kids not allowed to trial at other clubs?
If they are, what's the problem?
Does it matter? They're kids ffs.
The problem is that in previous years clubs have held trials only for NNSWF/Emerging Jets to come along afterwards and offer kids positions with in their programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Kids take these positions and leave holes in club team, previously these holes were difficult to fill as clubs had trialled, positions filled etc.
So this year at the request of NNSWF all clubs were to hold trials after 1st Oct. this was to allow EJ trials etc to take place and positions offered/accepted. Clubs could then go about holding trails and offering positions, knowing that they should not lose to EJ program.
Just would be nice for NNSWF to stick to something, they requested Oct 1st, they should have there selection done ready to move forward
The whole program has been a schmozzle from the start, when coaches sons/coaches mates sons etc etc start getting picked it shows what a farce it is. Spread the talent through the NBN elite, let them learn a club culture and pick triallists for the jets youth team once they reach the required age from watching the NBN, theres enough coaching certificates needed at NPL Youth now to know they will be coached to a good level. Only got to look at Azzuri with Mark Wilson doing 13s through to Greg Smith doing 17s.
Gonna be fun down at Magic Park tonite.............NPL trials, existing kids threatened not to trial elsewhere whilst club keeps offering positions to EJ kids who have left the EJ program.................gonna be a full bus.
Maybe they forgot you can only have 16