From a dad who took his kid to trial at Kahibah and got told they wouldn't be fielding teams because they couldn't get numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Real Truth
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From a dad who took his kid to trial at Kahibah and got told they wouldn't be fielding teams because they couldn't get numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Real Truth
Interesting - NNSWF have released an updated TPP model for how it will look 2021 and beyond:
https://northernnswfootball.com.au/w...Youth-Male.pdf
The emerging Jets 10's and 11's are gone and the Talent Support Program will run U10's - U16's.
Also interesting to see Mid North Coast included but not North Coast football. not sure whats going on or how that works logistically.
Also I am yet to see or hear about these Talent ID gala days?
12years current SAP program. the Newcastle teams (both getting run by NNSWF) are getting towelled. Is this due to dilution of talent due to other Newcastle Football initiatives such as NET? Or a poor indictment of NNSWF coaching.
http://websites.sportstg.com/comp_in...ool=1&a=LADDER
Will be interesting to see how it works, wonder how much talent and scouting is going to happen in the IDs U17-U12Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Interesting to see that the NPL clubs (confirming that there will be an NPL 1&2 next year) have to have U12 now, wonder how NET will go not to mention the quality of ID A-Grade and below drop. Looks like more players taken out and being given false hope from U12
So Newcastle cant get 1 squad that is better than 3 Macquarie teams? Someone has dropped the ball massively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Is the TPS meant to be other talented players who didnt make the Jets?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
This is disappointing. NPL1 jnrs are going great. Cookers would get some strong squads if they entered. Im thinking ground space or volunteers could be the problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Well they arent short of cashQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
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2.5mill in wages. There must be someone walking around.
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NET is being phased out next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Also, NPL don't have to just have 12's they are starting their juniors at U9's now. All the NPL clubs currently have SAP teams in 9's and 10's. Next year will be 9's, 10's & 11's and then it will reach 9's - 12's in 2021.
Yes, from U13's onwards it is the best 15 or so players from the NPL Youth competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
In U10-U12's they'll probably just choose the best from the SAP program. I wonder if they'll run a larger group because most of these boys will probably end up in the Jets system.
the TPS program they ran over summer was a bit on the fly from what i heard (3 dads who had their kids there - 2 got in). They were told the clubs were asked to bring the very best of their players down to trial for the team. They expected 2-4 kids per club, but some clubs turned up with 8 kids and more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
From there the squad was picked but they only chose attacking kids. all of them were the same sort of player. there were no defenders etc. the goalie that made it was consensus standout in the age group though. it ended up being made up of the majority of kids from the same 2 teams. which was kind of fine, but as for individual talent some of the selections were interesting.
the kid that missed out (who i think is a better player than the 2 that got picked) was told not to worry too much as it was just a summer program and that because they werent actually picking a 'team', by the time they do then pure defenders, midfielders etc would be given more of a look in.
so i dont think anyone needs to make an assumption out of whats been done so far (at that age group) but these kids were told that this is the next step to the Jets, so they need to make sure its setup soon to get the very best kids in there. id rather see the NNSW guys identifying talent through the SAP season and getting kids ready rather than relying on a one off trial here and there.
Aren't they also running a TSP through winter? I thought it was extra training on top of what they do with SAP and NPL?Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
I confirmed last night with a mum whos boy is in the U14's TSP. They run an extra night of training each monday during the regular season on top of what they do with their respective clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
How did he or the others get chosen? nnsw scouts or coaches suggesting trialists?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
I expect they choose the rep teams from these lads?
Still no sign of season pt2 draw although on the original it does have 2 weeks off at the long weekend and on the 25th August.
Not sure if NET is finished next year. They have U10s running along side U10 SAP and still has 11s and 12s on a dedicated ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Richard H reckons a lot his lads would walk into top SAP teams. Biased for sure but see what happens.
I may be wrong - what I was told was that the entire idea of the NET program was based on RH's concerns that the metro SAP program wasn't producing enough quality players to filter through to the NPL clubs. The change in SAP from the metro program to the premier club program is basically what RH wanted in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
As RH is now the TD of two of the club SAP programs will he have enough time for both? Who knows?
NNSW players watching the games and inviting boys to trial is what I was told.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
I received an email from the club this morning with the SAP draw update (or lack of update)
This week is round 11 and the last week of draw part 1.
The details provided states that the second part of the draw will be released on the 7th of June.
This means due to the lateness in providing part 2 they will miss games being scheduled on the 1st and 2nd of June.
That would have been bloody handy to know a while ago so parents could have planned for a weekend away or something.
Really poor organisation from NNSWF.
At the start of the season our club was told that the weekend of 1/2 June and the following long weekend were mandated weeks off to give the kids a rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
They had a similar break last year.
To be honest though the kids were less than impressed with the break as they were really enjoying their football and wanted to keep playing..
This one may be either on your club for not knowing, of NNSW for lack of communication with your club.
Yeah draw always had no games on weekends of 1/2 June and 8/9 June. Part 2 of draw to be released by 7th June was noted as well on draw. Unsure why such a break in middle of season. Could easily have done draw to end of 1/2 June and then break for long weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Also a weekend off on Aug 24th 25th. Why? it isnt the community gf weekend
Also checking last years draw there wasnt 2 weeks off at rd11 or at all. finished a week earlier as well.
That weekend is set aside for the big gala day held at speers point each year. Zone SAP teams play it every year, unsure if Premier Clubs SAP have the same thing. U11 and u12 SAP only listed on Northern website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
Definitely haven't heard anything about any planned gala days for premier club SAP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reds Forever
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Originally Posted by plague
I had to go back through all communications but ended up finding this.Attachment 1620Quote:
Originally Posted by Reds Forever
Probably something that NNSWF relied on the clubs telling all the parents. Regardless, very strange to have a random 2 week gap.
wrong thread
I spent this morning at Magic park watching some excellent 9’s and 10’s SAP games today.
For all the grief Magic cop around the place they put on a great hub day. All games played in great spirit and they were excellent hosts.
got a decent larf out at an SAP game on the weekend. A coach was being an absolute wanker to the ref, complaining about everything, which just encouraged the crowd to get in and have a dig too. During halftime the ref blew his whistle just to get the attention of the teams to line up for the 2nd half and the coach yells at him something along the lines of "the hooter hasnt gone yet you can wait" (i always assumed the hooter meant the game starts and that the teams should be lined up ready to go prior but may be wrong). so one team was out there ready to go and the other waited until the hooter went then walked out to line up. weird.
Anyway in amongst all his carry on the ref had to stop the game because his kids were getting confused with one of the rules. It turns out the bloke hadnt even taught them about restarts. the ref had to pause the game, explain the rule to the kids then help them along for the rest of the game. Suffice to say once the bloke realised he hadnt even explained the rules properly his abuse seemed to tone down a bit. it was embarrassing to watch but at least he shut up for a bit.
i felt sorry for the club to a)have such a dickhead representing them, and b) asking parents to pay a lot of money so their kids get that sort of tutoring.
honestly, by the time SAP gets to next year i hope NNSW has mandatory courses for coaches (do they already?) and if the coaches dont pass they just cant be involved. its just an enormous waste of parents money and soils the whole program.
suffice to say watching the kids was tough because they were lacking in a lot of the basic stuff (getting side on to present for the ball, turning out of trouble, any sort of footwork). these kids were pretty poor. there were def kids in there with potential, and they all had a crack, but you could tell he was coaching them poorly.(at one stage he repeatedly told his kids to "block the other teams runs"??????) Add to that being their 2nd year they are already way behind kids at the same age.
again though, NNSW is getting that rego money, but those poor kids are getting ripped off.
mate, the chicken burger alone is the reason to turn up. agreed though, always a great day out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
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Originally Posted by plague
What's the club?
They may have some form of requirements such as doing the SAP community course but that is automatic pass. After that there is the C-license, which could improve it but since it is near $2K to get it, is it worth it if you're coaching 8 year old kids?
yeah for sure id not expect your average SAP coach to have to fork out that cash, but NNSW have got to have a better policy for people wanting to coach the 'best' kids at their age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Plus, the incident i saw happened out at the facility, there were NNSW people there, and from what ive heard since the bloke is one of 2 in the program that have form in this area. those 2 blokes need to be sat down and schooled on the requirements and expectations of the program. i dont doubt they have a passion for it but this dude on the weekend just wanted to win. He couldnt handle the downside of the game. and worse still, laid the 'blame' for their poor play on the ref. thats not an attitude you want anywhere near kids.
I wouldn't rely on the northern reps on site to do much. I witnessed a similar incident on the grass fields the weekend before last. At one stage the game leader walked off and offered the coach the whistle or asked the bloke to walk off the field. There were complaints from the bench of inconsistency and bias which was really poor. Northern bloke ended up having to get off his phone for a min to intervene and ask everyone to be quiet and sit down and for the game leader to continue the game. Coach kept on talking crap through the whole game.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
By rights Northern rep should have ejected him from the field but couldn't be bothered with the hassle.
yeah look behaviour is one thing, and from experience blokes that are gonna bitch and moan about refs are never gonna change. its a coping mechanism for losers to shift blame from their own performance. Id love NNSW to institute standards/warnings/suspensions for dickheads like that but bitching and moaning about refs is 'allowed' across all levels of the game so why outlaw it only in U/10's?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
but for a coach of a development squad now in its 2nd year to not know the rules? man, thats just a shit job by the coach, and someone needs to pull him up on it. what hope do the kids have when they are learning the damn rules from a volunteer ref mid way through a match?
and look i dont agree with ref abuse, but when at the highest level in this country we are met with stupid shit eating giggles from the media about 'Musky being Musky' as Muscat tears strips off yet another 4th official we are always gonna have weekend warriors thinking that this is the way its done.
I'm almost certain the requirement is for coaches at Aegon Jr's club to have their C license.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
There are advertisements at the moment for a few of the clubs for coaches for next season already, nearly all of them are asking for the FFA "C" License as a minimum to be considered.
Where are the ads?
Team facebook or web pages:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Edgy and CCB as per the below and I'm sure I saw another teams facebook page post similiar recently but was unable to find it.
https://www.charlestowncityblues.com...ws_K9emXSrygUg
http://www.edgewortheaglesfc.com.au/
From Charlestown City's page "Coaches looking to work with the SAP age groups will hold the minimum requirement of a Skill Acquisition Certificate or a Game Training Certificate" Which is what we were talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Edgeworth seem to appear to say both but we will see who they actually pick. It's one thing to say that's what they want but if they can't get anyone they will drop to someone with a community ticket for the SAP teams.
minimum i heard for now was the day course Skills Acq or Game training. That should change down the track as more coaches get higher training.
Maybe we need something in between the SAP course and the C license so that costs are lower but up-skilling is higher.
The last thing we need is some clubs having far superior coaching like mentioned above
to be fair though, the teams were supposed to be out at the Speers Pt facility at least bi-weekly this year so the NNSW blokes can watch over the coaches and kids to make sure the right stuff is being taught.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
sadly, some clubs have taken it upon themselves to forego this session and stay away from that support structure. some clubs feel they dont need it, some feel they can get it better elsewhere.
which kind of goes away from a lot of what the SAP program was designed for, and it def seems to be that some clubs are emphasising 'winning' over the curriculum.
whos fault that is, im not sure. can only assume parents/coaches etc feel that for the money they pay, little Johnny winning lots of games is the minimum payoff.
and winning teams always get the attention of the scouts for the next level.
Maybe I'm reading this a bit out of context, but why is "superior coaching" the last thing we need?Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
Superior Coaching at all levels is desirable. If I was a player, given a choice between two identical clubs (ignoring friendships/ 'loyalty'), I'd be picking the one with the more qualified coach. As a parent, I'm picking the one with a more qualified coach.
The only reason against it would be that it creates an uneven playing field... Which might be the kick start the other clubs need to bring up their standards.
The biggest issue here is, as you mention, the lack of a reasonably attainable but higher level coaching course. NNSWF should be reimbursing some of the costs to make this more achievable. And from what I've heard the C license is a pretty time consuming course (i think thats the multiple weekends one)