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never went to state league level, but your reason for not continuing was exactly the same as mine. got sick of the abuse from players, coaches and fans. pretty serious matches those all age and junior games. :sigh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Couscous
This is a seperate issue to VAR though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Couscous
VAR had a written rule in front of them on Friday night and I can find no explaination as to why it wasn’t followed.
Because half of the explanations the ‘experts’ have given us are not in the rule.
Strebre knew the rule.
It was applied wrong.
No one up there in the box abusing him.
He just got it wrong.
If you stand in a wall and raise your arms and leave them there 30 seconds before a free kick is taken and the ball hits the arm is it a free kick?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout
The arms are there, the ball hits the arm. The arm doesn’t hit the ball as it doesn’t move.
The defender probably couldn’t get his arms out of the way because the ball was travelling so quick.
I’d call handball, the intention is to use the arms to create an advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Thing is bozza is a manc twat and never made a mistake in his career....that’s why he is the gift to Australian football punditry we all needed and slater is Arnold’s bum boy only just above speed and that teo/Leo whatever his name is Sydney loving oxygen thieves.....none of them have a clue about the game which is surprising considering they played a game or 2......****ing unnaturally position....your arms swing when you walk....anymore rapid or violent movement will make the arms move more so unless you are standing still the arms aren’t going to be by the side......and only bloody Ricky Ponting or Mark Waugh could move their arms or hands quick enough to get near the ball foe some of the bullshit that they call hand ball for.
Time for Fux sports to come up with some new blood in Commentary team . I got no problem with them expressing opinion on the game on The Sunday Show or A League hour type shows but when when it comes to calling the game i wish Slats and co would leave there Arnold bum loving bromance at home. There interpretation of the rules at times to favor there favorites is deplorable.
Game has massive issues at the moment with FFA and Fux doing it no justice whatsoever.
Group-thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by 380
too right. stick it up those ***tsQuote:
Originally Posted by 380
Just saw a replay of the a league hour or whatever it was from last night and the manc twat was going on again about unnatural position....can someone with twitter tweet the idiot and peacock and fox and ask them to read the handball rule out on air so they might start to understand it....Jesus Christ how hard is some research on your job.
What are your thoughts on Birighiti red card from a few seasons ago when he comes out and handballs it outside his box. Handball or not?
Not only that but the rule even says...Quote:
Originally Posted by redwah
the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
As Ned said - "Topor wasn't pogoing at a Daft Punk concert...where else do his arms go". Respect to him as he knows the rule and was the only pundit to say it was an "unexpected ball" - which is the rule.
In live play, I don’t think it appears a hand ball given the context of the “pinball”. Play on.
Should the VAR get involved. It’s reviewing a potential penalty.
The replays make it look far worse. His arm moving as/after the ball strikes it into the arm gives the impression his arm is hitting the ball. Idk, I think the replays make it look worse because it removes the context and the speed from the equation.
On the whole, I don’t have too many issues with it. See those contentious calls everywhere. My gripe would be that the on field referees deemed it acceptable. If that was a Wanderers player I think we’d be pretty hard done by not to get a pen.
Suarez made a thing of flicking the ball up into defenders hands. In the process of trying to move their hand out of the way it makes it look like they move to the ball.
The only time your arms are by your sides are when you are standing still. Any other movement means your arms will move...walking, running, jumping, kicking a football....there is no "unnatural "position...unless you are breakdancing on the field.
If that was Roy charging down Thwaite and it pinged off Roy into Thwaites hand i couldnt give a **** if it was no penaltyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Reason i feel this way is it isnt a ****ing penalty
Though in saying all this there was this Aston Villa player back in about ‘96 who’s arm was in an unnatural position and no on field penalty was given...just a fine....maybe that’s what bozza keeps referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by redwah
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
A referee like Strebre floats to the top only because the pond is shallow.
But I've no idea how to enlarge the pond (make refereeing more attractive).
Bozzas just bitter that as a keeper other non keeper cunce are using their handsQuote:
Originally Posted by redwah
Just watched that A-League Hour. The stupid thing is they all agree it's a 50/50.
If that was the case why was it referred to VAR - surely a 50/50 call cannot be seen as an obvious error.
They didn't go down that path.
Amazingly though Bozza did say that Nabbs goal was better than Ninkos - which seemed to take Peacock aback a bit.
Yep. Obvious howler was the only reason provided by the FFA for the use of the VAR and the fact so many pundits can't make up there mind on NTS incident means it didn't come anywhere near this definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
I would argue the same for Hoff's goal too. Tbh I probably would tend to think its a foul myself - but not by much. And if the ref saw it and was happy to play on, where is the obvious error that was overruled?Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
I also think WSW offside was not an obvious error - although at least with offside there is black and white right/wrong so I'm sort of ok with them correcting wrong decisions.
There is no way Hoffs goal could have been any kind of foul. He jumped at the ball, put his head to where the ball was supposed to be, didn't use his hands or his body to gain any advantage. Just jumped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
The fact that he hit the keepers hands is irrelevant. if it was another players head (not the keeper) it would have stood and been see as an accidental head clash within the moment, "a part of the game" if you like.
We place too much protection around the keepers at all times, when the only time we should be protecting them more is when they're on the ground around swinging feet/legs.
I agree with you. But given that that is not currently the case, and outfield players concede a foul for breathing on a keeper, then I think its a foul (in the current environment). My point though was more that since the ref didn't think it was one, why was VAR able to say he'd made an obvious error to overrule it?Quote:
Originally Posted by MonkeyKplunk
I don't know. I was a fan of VAR being implemented but the further along this season goes the more opposed I'm becoming to it. I still like the concept, but they need to go WAY back to the drawing board with how its implemented.
Am a fan also of the VAR its just Delovski and Green F&*K$d it up so badly last Friday night.
Delovski has been the architect of so many bad VAR decisions this season his position needs to be the subject of the VAR itself but somehow they would manage to cluster ^&* that up also.
The further the season goes along it just more and more confirmation those that said it was shite at day 1 are proven to be correctQuote:
Originally Posted by Macca
Regardless of what anyone says it aint going to be perfect no matter what the VAR believers claim
So why have it??
"But...its here to stay"....Adam Peacock 2017/18 (ad nauseum)Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
And its become the 'norm' to have woeful decisions week in week out in the current environment. Doesn't mean it's correct does it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
I agree with you that it wasn't an obvious error also so therefore couldn't be overturned in my opinion.
Look how much more entertaining and free flowing football was with some physicals and no VAR (in the second half)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=y4CXY6TVBMc
Damn I love that show. “Women! Know your limits!”Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
FFA admit they were wrong with one - "but the other two were right!"
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/52...y-call/?cs=306
So we win 2-1 yeh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Showing some accountability is a good step.
so, a referee on the field made the correct decision, to be over-ruled by a referee with the benefit of replays, to then be shown to be correct by another bunch of referees watching the same replays. top work by all.
i don't recall, did green run over to look at the screen or just award the penalty based on the word of the VAR?
if he did, then he's just as culpable as the VAR. if he didn't, then he's just as culpable as the VAR for not telling him to bugger off.
He looked at the screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
I agree with the pod discussion - Green looked like Strebre was leading him through some of those decisions.
Ernie has got it in one - who's the boss?
Green looked at the screen but you can see that he had Strebe in his ear the whole time telling him what he SHOULD be seeing.
And the only replays on screen on fox at the time he was looking were slow motion...if that’s what he sees on his iPad then no wonder he had no idea.
In my opinion (formed mainly for TV viewers but also applicable to VAR) they should show at least one full speed replay again after looking at the slow mo's. Slow mo is helpful to see the order in which stuff happens and the specifics of what and where - but can distort reality as well. Once you know what happened you should see it again in full speed to make sure your understanding is not skewed and get a full appreciation for whatever event you're watching. Be it handballs, tackles, challenges etc. Even elbows and stuff can look super intentional in slow mo when it looks like he's staring at the guy for 3 seconds before moving an elbow towards the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by redwah
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43202295
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Video assistant referees (VAR) will not be used in next season's Champions League, with the head of Uefa saying he sees "a lot of confusion".
The International Football Association Board, which rules on the game's laws, meets on Saturday to decide whether to approve the technology permanently.
If it does, then Fifa is committed to using the system at the World Cup.
But Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin said: "Fans see the VAR screen all the time but nobody knows how it works."
He added: "We will not use it in the Champions League next season.
"For me, it might be a good project but we shouldn't rush it."
An Ifab report last month said that the VAR system has been accurate in 98.9% of decisions so far during its two-year worldwide trial.
I see that all the decisions made in the A league make up 1.1% of the results..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
If the Spurs/Rochdale FA Cup game today doesn’t kill it then nothing will.
What a ****ing mess that was.