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Thanks for the information update.Quote:
Originally Posted by matjpacker
Will look forward to seeing the finished product
Good article in the Newcastle Herald today quoting 4 NL1 clubs basically saying they have had enough of NNSW Football taking the money and treating them poorly. They say that NNSW has no plan for NL1 and they consider ZPL might be their best option.
Let's hear the spin form Northern over this one.
Let's hope the other NL1 clubs join with them to present a united case to NNSW Football.
For those on here with an affiliation with the NL1 clubs not mentioned, get onto your club and push them to join with Belswans, Kahibah, Toronto and Cessnock.
I can’t see Singo, Thornton, Southy, Wallsend, westy thinking any different. NNSW now have their “ elite “ 12, bugger the rest, but we still want your exorbitant fees to win a trophy. The NL decision with limited consultation, the NL1 GF to be played at a NPL clubs ground to help them with revenue and the even stupider decision to play all / most other GF at the worst spectator and parking facility in the area I think is the last straw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
GF’s are at speers so northern can put money into their back pockets from canteen revenue, I’m sure they have a KPI they have to send to governing bodies which shows how often ‘community’ clubs use facilities for free.. if numbers are high they get more funding and grants thus GF being there.Quote:
Originally Posted by GO AWAY
Not sure why teams think they should be consulted for NL's promotion! Consultation around the competition format- yes that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GO AWAY
so what your saying is, its up to NL1 teams to give permission for them to be promoted? seriously.:wtf:
as for throwing stones in glass houses, is Toronto in a position to negotiate, when they fail to comply by the rules, and not field teams.
Here's a thought, maybe all the piss taking from some NL1 teams over the last few years, is the reason why NNSWF is piss taking now as well?
I can't disagree. As I have mentioned before. The last 2 Clubs "promoted" to NL1 were the first 2 to get out and I don't believe it was ever a secret that they both wanted to go up. Is that luck? Coincidence? Devious consultation with Northern or just good management? Hand on heart, probably the latter. Remains to be seen if NL do it better than Cooks Hill in Year 1. They were both dominant on the park in NL1 in all ages, it seems they were also better off the park. To be honest, aside from Belswans on the park and unsure of their back office or financial position, all of the other Clubs are seriously miles away.Quote:
Originally Posted by W8 WATCHER
On what basis do you make that comment?Quote:
Originally Posted by BBscone
Some of the NL1 clubs have facilities that are worse, as good as or better than those in the NPL and those that New Lambton have.
Some of the NL1 clubs will be in a financial position worse, as good as or better than those in the NPL and New Lambton
Some of the NL1 clubs will have met the governance standards that are applied and some won't. Those that do are equal to those on the NPL.
It seems you are basing your assessment of who is worthy of being in the NPL on results only. Results can be achieved if you throw cash at it. The haves and have nots prove that every week in the NPL. Maybe the other NL1 clubs dont want to throw bucket loads of money at players when there is no guarantee that doing so will get them into NPL.
sounds like a scommo commentQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
who has splashed the cash to win.
i know Cooks Hill last year threw plenty, and finished 2nd and still got promoted.
so on that bases, you can finish anywhere and still get promoted.
Not sure if this has been mentioned but are the upgrades to Alder Park including the ground itself or just the outsides?Quote:
Originally Posted by matjpacker
Here we go again.....not reading and just looking for an argument...Quote:
Originally Posted by W8 WATCHER
Cooks Hill spent and New Lambton spend.
As to the rest....yes, you agree with me, although I guarantee that wasn't your intent. BBScone says the only way to get promoted is to win. I say its not. You agree with me. Well done
The main part of the playing surface was redone last summer, that south eastern corner is a lot slower than it used to be now.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Next season we’ve planned to oversew with rye grass, so that should hold up better and longer wear and tear wise.
Talk about not reading....winning is important of course, any traditionalist will tell you it's important to win the below division if expecting to go up. Off the park my question is why some clubs who have been around for a long time, resplendant with fully fenced grounds and grandstands, have not done the same as two clubs who were the last to the dance and one of them had to build sufficient infrastructure to qualify. Not ready? Probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
NL will be more competitive than CH in Youth but that's not much to beat. Only have to put a team in 16s and they are miles ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by BBscone
Not saying theyll be top 4 but competitive in most grades
Assuming kids that don’t want to play NPL hang around to play NPLQuote:
Originally Posted by Oldy
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Originally Posted by W8 WATCHER
The clubs aren't stating they should be consulted on who is promoted or not.
They want to be consulted on what the competition will look like with only 9 teams and what is the future requirements for promotion.
NNSW had a criteria years ago that clubs were relegated from NPL for not meeting, now we have clubs being promoted who don't meet that criteria but will in the coming years.
NNSW should get rid of the criteria and base promotion and relegation on football performance/ability across the club championship table.
That will force clubs to develop their youth and not relying on 1st grade to stay up of get promoted.
So the two Clubs that have gone up have been the best two Clubs overall for the last five years, yes? ON and OFF the park? The Club Championship probably agrees. The clear message is that just because you lease a facility with a fence and a ramshackle old grandstand, doesn't make you a Premier Club. Those in NPL who have been Fat Dumb and Lazy for too long should finally wake up because CH and NL won't go up comfortable to finish 11 and 12. Those FDL clubs in NL1 bemoaning how poorly they have been treated should ask themselves what can we do to be better. The minute Toronto and Singleton and now Wallsend were allowed to play without filling Youth teams the entire comp was a basket case and both CH and NL were the only ones smart enough and strong enough to climb out of it. I stand by the fact that the two new teams in NL1 were the first to get out after they both dominated it. That's all Northern need to reply with when the rest demand answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by travellingman
100% agree BBSQuote:
Originally Posted by BBscone
not sure what they are blowing up about.
all competitions around the world get promoted and relegated based on performance.
i yet have seen anywhere , that grounds, and fencing was the key performance indicator for promotion.
**** on a side note so does that mean the Jets should get relegated, based on there shiiite performances over and over again, News Flash- there is better financially run NPL clubs nationally, that also have there own grounds.
everyone on the forum, has been commenting on 2 x 8 team comps, so NL1 has 9 we are nearly there, what's the problem? or just communicate to all ZPL teams, here's your chance if you want to push for promotion in future, to step up, and increase the teams in NL1 for 2023.
if they don't, they can stay there forever.
not here for an argument with anyone,
just my opinion on football in Newcastle, like it, hate it or don't agree with it- dont care really
to say winning isn't the key factor for promotion, is a laugh, you supporting the jets, would explain on your stance of continually losing to be acceptable.
again yes you agree with me, i guarantee it is your intent.
No-one I have spoken to is begrudging NL going up, its actually brilliant that they have as it was when Cooks Hill got promoted. If a club dominates in a 2nd Division competition they deserve to be promoted that's how all the best leagues in the world work. If clubs like Cooks Hill and New Lambton can't get promoted with all their on field success and strong back of house and hard work over many years then there would be absolutely no hope for any of the remaining NL1 clubs to be promoted. I believe it was 3 years ago NNSW come up with a plan to get to 12 teams which they now have reached. There are clubs such as the one I am at and there are others that are progressing in the back ground to tick all the boxes as Cooks Hill and New Lambton have. At some clubs for varying reason it takes a lot longer to get things done to their grounds etc to meet the requirements of NPL as CH and NL have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by BBscone
So now we and some other clubs are now asking what's the next plan, surely in the past 3 years you have worked out a plan of what will happen when you reach 12 teams. Is there any further opportunities to be promoted? Are the teams that are perennially non-competitive in NPL ever going to be relegated? Do clubs such as ours keeping working towards reaching all the standards required of an NPL club continue with their plans and if so how long for?
The only information we as NL1 clubs know is what we read in NNSW press release that said we will be a 9 team comp next year. 9 teams just doesn't work, 18 rounds with 2 byes or 27 rounds with 3 byes if you want to have a fair competition . One is not enough games for a premier competition in my opinion and the other just makes the season way too long.
I have been trying to get time with Peter Haynes for a long time and the bloke just brushes you, if your not an NPL club he doesn't give you the time of day. So how do we plan for next season? Are we really going to tell all our senior players that fees are going to be the same next year but you are only playing 16 games and it doesn't matter if we dominate the comp or don't win a game nothing will change.
Some may class this as whinging, but I see them as reasonable questions and expectations from someone who has been in and around this competition for many years and also have a passion for Newcastle Football to be the best it can be. I like many believe NNSW are killing Senior Football in Newcastle by not having promotion and relegation which is contributing to the ridiculous amounts of money being paid to players. They are doing some good work in the youth area with the introduction of JDL and hopefully de-coupling but its all a waste of time if you don't have a competitive senior league where teams not competing can't get relegated and if you don't pay 'overs' for players you can't compete and i'm hearing NPLW is going along the same lines.
You’ve only got to look at what they’ve done with the grand finals to realise northern are way out of touch with masses
Except this doesn't happenQuote:
Originally Posted by W8 WATCHER
And Northern did give all NL1 clubs criteria on grounds and fencing amongst other things for them to meet, this is despite some current NPL clubs not currently meeting all those requirements.
I'm not surprised West Wallsend are upset or Belswans. And unless North Lambton no longer have to share the ground with Athletics or they (or Northern) have got an alternative ground to use during summer then it appears Northern are happy to ignore their criteria. Which isn't a surprise considering Warners Bay got to keep their WPL team and Northern didn't want to wait any longer before changing it to WNPL
I would say will Northern drop their fees if the comp is no longer as long but that's a laughable idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by matmoncrieff
Shame about Peter ignoring NL1 clubs
Sounds like Pete’s forgetting where his bread was buttered
can we create a ground keeper willy threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
again, fields and fences- i thought we played football?
yes i did understand and read your post, before Hunter unleashes.
NNSWF may have put in place, criteria, as a grand plan, for all clubs to work to and achieve, some have and others havent given a sht.
but remember the council owns the grounds, so unless you win grants, have the money - no grounds will improve.
as to Matts post, surely there would be 2-3 teams in ZPL with aspirations to play up, the top 3 would still probably do a job on half of NL1 anyway.
And get council approval, but at the end of 2019 when Northern said no NL1 clubs will be promoted they gave reasons to each club a lot of it was about what clubs had at their ground. And it isn't just money to make the changes (changes which current NPL clubs don't meet), you need council approval and Northern told clubs they need year round access, which some clubs don't and will never have as they are council grounds who force them to share with other sports. The club I was do have year round access I know others were knocked back with that being one of the reasonsQuote:
Originally Posted by W8 WATCHER
Full disclosure I was on one of the committees and part of the working group to get together the documentation for promotion of one of the 4 clubs mentioned in the article. I have since left the club but to say they don't give a shit or haven't worked towards improving and meeting the criteria that current NPL teams don't have to meet is a load of crap. As Matt says, what is the point if Northern say they hit the 12 teams and say that's it and even if a team like Lake Macquarie or Adamstown battle for the wooden spoon every year but stay in the top competition regardless what is the point?
With the announcement today of youth decoupling, is there a realistic chance of a league with a combination of NL1/ZPL teams? Or will NL1 clubs choose to drop to ZPL regardless?
What are the rules about joining ZPL? Would clubs need to start in ZL3?
they would have to apply, the same as we all do, you could then throw the balls in the air to see what happens next...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
I wonder.....If ZPL teams want to go up, will they have to have 13-18s?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
If they do zero teams will go upQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
interested to know why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hacker
there is obviously a key reason, as to why they wouldn't want to push up a tier, 3-5 teams are well and truly good enough to be there
Couple of possible reasons. I think a lot of the ZPL guys that have already dropped back from higher grades genuinely enjoy playing with mates and they don’t necessarily have to commit to full on training. Also from what I’ve observed at some clubs, including NPL, there is a definite drop off in people volunteering at clubs. Just my observations.Quote:
Originally Posted by W8 WATCHER
The teams are good enough easily but a lot aren’ affiliated with a junior club and the strong ones are in that boatQuote:
Originally Posted by W8 WATCHER
Do they need to be affiliated?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hacker
Do you need junior teams moving forward, can it be still the 3 grades, in NL1
Tronno assume soQuote:
Originally Posted by W8 WATCHER
Why would they go up to play in an arguably worse league, pay double in fees and be treated by northern as the ugly sister? So they can have a northern logo on their jersey...
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Originally Posted by W8 WATCHER
Not to sure who you are affilated with or how old you are but here is my take on it.
ZPL is a better comp.
There would be a few who would want to go up, and i could probably name them also, not sure why they would like to do it, but hey go for it if you want to be treated like shit.
Most like myself have been there before, either playing, coaching or on a committee.
The second tier is a joke, it has been for a long time, spend a shit load of cash, win stuff all in return and get treated by the powers that be as a little cash cow to prop up whatever and now its a 9 team comp, ?????
Why keep doing this year after year, waiting for Northern to hang the carrot out, one day you will catch it, for what though?
There are some great clubs in the 2nd tier, lots of heritage etc who have been in there for a very long time, I'm not sure what keeps them going?
NNSWFA had control of all the senior sides from 1st to 5th divisions back in the day, promotion and relegation all through it, worked well until they didn't want to do the work looking after all those teams.
They then dumped all bar the 1st and 2nd divisions.
Northern once again are reshaping the comps, why? because they keep making mistakes, year after year, cluster fuk after cluster fuk.
Is NPL and the 2nd tier both going to 1st and reserve's only next year when they de-couple the youth??
My understanding of the criteria is if ZPL teams were to go up they would have to have 13-18"sQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
So the question is where do they get the kids from? We already know there are not enough quality in the current Youth NPL/NL1 teams
As an example if Cardiff chose to go up, there are not enough kids in the area to accommodate those squads especially with Sth Cardiff already having squads just up the hill.
It will be interesting to see who nominates if any for NL1
I hope the remaining NL1 Clubs get the answers that they need to properly plan to ensure those above are pressured to perform. Decoupling Youth will shake up a few, you can clearly see the strategy in it toward creating a survival of the fittest environment from the bottom up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Cardiff are going nowhere. Very happy with their lot. Cardiff had a strong junior setup in years past. They were in SYL for a while. Days are gorrrnQuote:
Originally Posted by travellingman
he was only using Cardiff as an example, very quick to pounce aren't we Terry, travellingman is correct there are not enough kids in this area or any area.Quote:
Originally Posted by terry
now they have decoupled the youth from NPL and NPL1 it makes it even worse.
1st and reggies only 2023 or are there plans for a 3rd grade?
yes we are happy, our own ground, make our own rules.
The system not clubs is stuffed, ...cardiff as a junior club were the strongest in town for quite a few years but once again the system changed for the worst.