That last one wasn't arguing, that was just one final bait to set his side kicks off before I was out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
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That last one wasn't arguing, that was just one final bait to set his side kicks off before I was out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
I don't need to answer any of your what ifsQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Because I can successfully navigate life without jizzing inside a female and getting her knocked up
It really isn't that hard that I would need to be having a vasectomy
How about the reality of things that females should be expected to control their own contraception needs instead of you constantly trying to negate them the responsibility to protect themselves from their own fertility??
All you offer up is excuses and cop outs that result in the death of children for what is a pretty simple issue
The problem these days is nobody wants to debate - it is all I am right, you are wrong and because of that you don't exist.
Most people arguing about this have not lived it, much like so many white people making claims on behalf of the indigenous, or minority greenies thinking they run the world.
I am not religious but do not put down anyone who is - if they believe, it is true. If you don't just leave them alone. Only when they force their beliefs onto others does it become an issue - accept differences of opinion.
I think it should be somewhere in the middle - abortion should be available to those that have a medical, religious, mental or ethical reason to have one. That reason should be assessed. Those that make a mistake, tough. Learn to be accountable for opening your legs. I worked in welfare for years and the youngest mum I met was 12 years old. Tragic, but both her and her mum thought it was fantastic - "cuz now I can get me pension and leave school".
My wife and I had to abort our first child at 20 weeks for medical reasons, the most harrowing time of our lives that lives with us to this day, amplified by the legality of having a funeral. To hear young women at the same hospital joking about having an abortion because they made a mistake, for my wife (as a nurse) to walk in on a patient giving relief to her partner whilst waiting for her turn at a local private hospital, for me to continue to hear stories of complete recklessness to get benefits. The majority of these people see pregnancy as a means to an end or an inconvenience that can be sorted with a quick procedure.
But nobody believes in accountability anymore......it is always somebody elses fault.
All I say, I'm not a Female and it's not my body and unless it was someone I was involved with or a partner/spouse then I shouldn't get a say or be involved in any way.
You pay more in taxes than women do Stanny thanks to the Gender Pay GapQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Until women are earning more than 79c in the dollar to men you have more of a say in society as you as a man are contributing more with your extra tax $$
Also the body you are talking about is not a woman's body but the body of a defenceless child. You have every right to speak up on behalf of the innocent who can't speak for themselves
BOOOOOMMMMM!Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
And there is he is ladies and gentlemen. The sexist piece of shit that we all know him to be. Thanks Member, you always destroy yourself way better than anyone else ever could.
:wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Oh we have no doubt about that, that would require you finding a female willing to have coitus with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
We know the one's you have a financial transaction with in Thailand require you to tarp up, so that's a non issue.
So you lefties are pretty predictableQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
You throw out the Racist Sexist Mysoginist Nazi etc lines that often they don't actually have any meaning
The other tactic you have is what Premy has done and tried to get all personal
Why am.i not surprised at your responses??
When challenged you offer little more than emotional outbursts
I genuinely can’t tell if this post is legit or taking the piss.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Wait one second.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
When there is something personal about you, you take exception to it.
However you have no problem telling people what they can not do with their bodies personally.
Oh the hypocrisy is hilarious.
I got pretty broad shoulders haven't I ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
I am just pointing out how you resorted to trying to get personal for no reason
I have a reason and it's completely valid to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
You lack any empathy for the millions of people that will be effected by this latest decision personally.
Therefore I couldn't care less for your "broad shoulders" as you show little care for others yourself, hence why it's hypocrisy when you get upset by someone making it personal with you.
Classic bully mentality. "I can be mean to others, but it's not fair when others mean me"
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Originally Posted by Premy
You lack any empathy at all for the millions of children assassinated by your self centred beliefs
That you try and claim some type of moral high ground to pursue your child sacrifice desires says plenty
:popcorn:
Can you share with us your first thought you had from the womb?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Are you able to provide me a link as to where one could acquire life insurance for a fetus under the age of 22 weeks?
My empathy lies with the millions of living humans.
My empathy lies with a woman I know personally that was a rape victim and chose to abort a fetus.
My empathy lies with a woman I know personally that was receiving Chemotherapy when she found out she was pregnant and she chose to abourt the fetus inside her so the Children she had already, have a Mother growing up.
You can try to play your morally grey card all you like. You've already exposed your misogynist reason for why you feel the way you do and we all see straight though you.
No I can't share with you my first thought I had in the wombQuote:
Originally Posted by Premy
Matter of fact my earliest memory is from when I was 2
Under your logic we should be able to execute all children under the age of 2 because they won't know any thing I take it??
I have a consistent line on when life is created
It is called conception not some wishy washy thing where the line is moved to suit your whims
I do think we can find some common ground that we should be able to execute the rapists. I think that is something we can agree on
But I ain't gonna sanction killing a child because of the fee fees of the woman
If she doesn't want the child she can put the child up for adoption. Killing it ain't on the table
Considering Rape accounts for about 1% of abortions and even then this is self reported so not entirely accurate and it ain't like women don't lie
#IBelieveAmberHeard exactly why are you keen to put up such a weak strain argument on this??
I get you like the call to emotion angle but it isn't even a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things
As for your chemo story. Another call to emotion argument where a selfish decision was made as the child was sacrificed
Seems to be a common theme for those partaking in abortion. A selfish decision being made regularly tops the list of excuses
This is one of the most fvcked things I've ever read on here..Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Yep, the little respect I had for him is completely gone now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
I won't be engaging with him further.
fark is this still going on, need to turn the popcorn machine back on.....
Bring us oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Jardelsimage
Isnt that why we all come in? Because its nowhere near as bad as FBQuote:
Originally Posted by Bon
If you used Google before posting in this thread, its not your opinion
Yeah, don't bring facts to an argument thank you very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by My2BobsWorth
Google is a stone age implement compared to the human brain, try using it
You ain't brought much facts thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
I already gave you the facts of the 3 main reasons people abort
1 Have enough kids already to lazy to not get jizzed in
2 Don't have enough cash to have a kid but still don't have enough to buy a condom to not get jizzed in
3 Don't have a stable partner but are happy to let some random Chad Tyrone Ray Ray or Pookie jizz in them
These are accounting for the overwhelming majority of cases
You haven't disputed them yet because this is the reality
All I have got back from your side is call to emotion less than 1% scenarios where it is all about fee fees being hurt
I will at least give you credit Frodo you at least will stick around for a discussion and don't take your bat n ball and go home like some do
One of the most hilarious aspects of the Roe v Wade being overturned is it was actually the Abortion clinic side who initiated the case initially that got it in the court system that got it to the Supreme Court to be overturned
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot
The actual funny part is that there is supposedly now a plan to codify it before the next presidential election, which will begin the end of the supreme courts immense power over there. They may have gone too far against popular opinion with this one. Would be great if it gets codified and 40 years of Republican money and efforts ends up failing. Might actually mean they stop feeding these right wing nutters to increase their supporter base and bring them back to the centre of politics where everyone else is.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
You're saying that one part of the debate should count for the entire debate, abortion as birth control, whereas people are trying to show you that there are examples which should be treated differently. Instead of answering that you go back to the "baby killers" name calling and unintentionally concede the argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
If the law was, for example, abortions should only be given when a mother's life is in danger OR the baby has no chance of survival. What's the problem? That is the most "all lives matter" answer there is, yet you're side of the debate doesn't like it because they simply want to control women and keep them away from any real power. As you alluded to with your sexist comments about pay, if you pay them less you more easily disregard their opinion.
PLUS! Conservatives over there want to limit the availability of contraceptives and remove sex education at the same time, which is obviously going to cause more unwanted pregnancies anyways. How can you try and say that the right wants to look after the babies when they are trying to create more Abortions themselves?
Firstly your claims on rape and abortion or medical reasons and abortion are negligible in the grand scheme of thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
They do not even make up 1% and that is adding them together
The ones I gave you are making up 95% of the issues which you again can't negate AGAIN but continue to offer up some rare outlier situation as a strawman
There is even some guy from Planned Parenthood on record saying with modern healthcare is such people dying during childbirth is a non issue even for Planned Parenthoods stats
The statement I made on Women only getting paid 79c in the dollar ain't mine. It is me repeating a statement made by women who claim the Gender Pay Gap exists
I am just using their own stupid words to further my argument.
You are on the side of Eugenics and happily support an organisation created to kill children. Since Roe v Wade was falsely passed in 1973 we have seen in the USA nearly 10x the amount of people killed by Abortion than the Germans took out in the Holocaust.
Considering how much the Holocaust is treated as some sacred event not up for criticism how come wiping out 10x the amount of people is treated as Ok by your side??
Cowardly as usual. I gave you simple questions to either answer or debate and you're too scared to answer them, as expected. Enjoy being the minority and slowly watching the world move away from your archaic views and talking points. I'm out, there's plenty of unanswered questions and points yet to be disproven by people on the other side of this argument if they read through it and care enough. I don't need to convince a few old boomers about what the majority of the world already understands and supports. I mean, 2Bob literally said that his thoughts are more important than fact checking, how deluded can you lot be?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Ohhh, I see we’ve got to the point of Godwin’s Law.
People have left the ‘discussion’ because there’s no discussion, it’s just MFKS calling people baby killer and saying jizz a lot.
There’s been so many questions asked, and none receive any answers, just the same name calling rubbish.
A blanket “no abortion” is unsafe and an outdated viewpoint. There are circumstances where it is the only humane thing to do. There are also circumstances where it is simply personal preference, which not everyone has to agree with, or support. It’s not an all or nothing discussion.
You’re entitled to a viewpoint, as is everyone else. In the same manner you’re seeing where peoples lines are, we are seeking your line.
To do this, strawman arguments are necessary.
I daresay your failure to respond to the individual circumstances where termination of pregnancy is the inevitable solution, means that there maybe is a little bit of compassion inside, you just don’t want to admit it because you’re scared that saying yes to one circumstances unravels your whole stance.
And if it is a blanket no, then the discussion is done.
Mr Frodo, again with the 'conservatives' and 'replublicans' slant.
One of the main betting favourites for the 2024 Presidency is none other than Florida govenor Rod Desantis. Hes painted by many as a hardcore conservative and anti science monster.......except his abortion policy and rights on a lot of issues are way different to the hardcore right wingers you believe are in the real balance of power in that country.
People cant blanket conservatives and republicans when one of their highest profile members is way more liberal than a bunch of blue states.
Not even kidding but a Desantis win in 2024 may just shift the power balance away from the Evangenlicals who are the real Ghouls in this whole scenario.
They dont want him because he doesnt completely bow to them, but they obviously wont support Democrats. Desantis will get a lot of moderate votes which may bring a lot of red states into line with things like abortion rights. He may be the only one to crack a national consensus.
Your questions are not really relevantQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
As I said I stated my position is to no abortions at all. Why would I need to answer your question on if the baby is a certainty to die we should allow them ?? If the baby is a good chance of dying why not just do the birth process and see what happens??
No need to kill the kid early. If the kid doesn't survive at least it had a chance to survive and wasn't crushed in the womb and scraped out.
Same would apply to the mother being in danger at birth.
The position I hold is no abortions at all.
There ain't no deviation on it. So I don't know why you think I should answer your what ifs when my position is pretty clear
As for your other rant about the right creating more abortions. I don't think you got your thinking hat on. The overturning of Roe v Wade is going to see less abortions as some states in the USA are gonna tighten up the rules to deny access. Reality is Abortion has had an orange light put on it after being constantly in green for the last 59 years
As for your other rant about conservatives wanting to limit access to sex education and contraception I have been ignoring it for a reason. The Catholics are against contraception don't think every other religious type is in the same boat but you are trying to tar everyoneby being disingenuous. The other thing about limiting access to sex education it has more to do with Conservatives not wanting you Degenerates on the left to preach your Dragtime Story Hour and other Rainbow Alphabet People behaviour at kids. We feel we can do a better job of having Mum and Dad do it
Youve just shown how much of a Woke ahole you really are. Fobbing off people because of age. You dont know what the majority of the world thinks. Can you be anymore irrelevant in the world. If you disappeared not many would care. You earned that all on your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
On the actual topic and only imo, people should choose.
Well said Oldy, the boomers reference surfaces a lot, as does calling people childish when they don't agree. Boomers are cool, go boomers.
Just to clarify something, Boomer isn't an insult. It's literally the name given to that generation, and I even think they gave it to themselves. Same with Millennials or Gen Z, albeit they were assigned by the boomers.Quote:
Originally Posted by My2BobsWorth
I'm quoting statistics. I.e. I'm bringing facts to an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldy
If you don't agree with them, that's fine, it just makes you a part of the minority. But, it sounds like we are actually in agreement on abortion anyways..... so not sure what the insults were even for? Save that for something we actually disagree on like a normal person.
NO
Big day for Australia today.
We get to choose between being condescending white saviours or flat out racists.
If only there was some middle ground in all this.
Anyway, once again the real winners will be social media.
Please make sure that when you takea happy snap of you wearing the shirt, or 'doing your own research' that you put on your absolute best douchebag face, because thats all you are.
Ill be in the bunker til we run out of baked beans and fresh water.
See you in hell!!!!