2015 Zone Premier League thread

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Originally Posted by The Majestic Swan

Former NRL front row forward Mark O'Meley made an appearance in goals for reserve grade and also former Newcastle Jet Zenon Caravella was given run in first grade were he scored suburbs only goal of the game....

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Hahahaha Brilliant..
Not wanting to inflate Premy/Zenon's head any more, but I heard it was a corker of a goal..

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Originally Posted by gny

Good to see gardos 1st graders getting the job done in reserve grade ����

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:wtf:

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Originally Posted by gny

Good to see gardos 1st graders getting the job done in reserve grade 👍🏻

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Thanks for the compliment, I'm sure the Reserve grade boys will love being called first grade quality.

Fact is, there were zero "first grade" Garden Suburb boys in the reserves team. Garden Suburb boys turned up, Swansea didn't.

Score line should've been 6-7, if the boys didn't get complacent with their 4-0 lead.

with all the recent talk about the non-promotion from this league is there still relegation as clearly Barnsley are miles behind everyone else in the league

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Originally Posted by Beachedas

with all the recent talk about the non-promotion from this league is there still relegation as clearly Barnsley are miles behind everyone else in the league

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From what I've heard Morisset are coming up so would have to assume Barnsley will be relegated.

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Originally Posted by Beachedas

with all the recent talk about the non-promotion from this league is there still relegation as clearly Barnsley are miles behind everyone else in the league

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I would think if Beresfield don't get promoted, word on the street is its already been rejected(?), then NNSW could either, promote someone from ZPL who meet the criteria to New-FM (No relegation for New-FM this year, to make it a 12 team comp next year). Then promote Morrisett who are Minor Premiers in ZL1, relegate Barnsley then continue down the leagues.

If a team from ZPL doesn't go to New-FM, then it gets messy, moving a team up from ZL1 to New-FM, promoting another team (Kotara are Club Champions in ZL1, could come up to ZPL) then relegate Barnesley.. Or not relegate anyone from ZPL at all this year.. but I doubt that would happen..

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Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast

I would think if Beresfield don't get promoted, word on the street is its already been rejected(?), then NNSW could either, promote someone from ZPL who meet the criteria to New-FM (No relegation for New-FM this year, to make it a 12 team comp next year). Then promote Morrisett who are Minor Premiers in ZL1, relegate Barnesley then continue down the leagues.

If a team from ZPL doesn't go to New-FM, then it gets messy, moving a team up from ZL1 to New-FM, promoting another team (Kotara are Club Champions in ZL1, could come up to ZPL) then relegate Barnesley.. Or not relegate anyone from ZPL at all this year.. but I doubt that would happen..

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I was told by Northern last week that there would be no promotion from ZPL to NewFM this season. They didn't say anything else. They might relegate a NewFM team to make it 10 teams but no idea.

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Originally Posted by NewyTy

I was told by Northern last week that there would be no promotion from ZPL to NewFM this season. They didn't say anything else. They might relegate a NewFM team to make it 10 teams but no idea.

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Then they would have to relegate two teams from ZPL to ZL1, if Morrisett do come up, which I would expect they would..

That would mean Garden Suburb go down, being second last on the ladder. I doubt they'd move New-FM from 11 teams to 10, then make ZPL an 11 team comp.

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Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast

Then they would have to relegate two teams from ZPL to ZL1, if Morisset do come up, which I would expect they would..

That would mean Garden Suburb go down, being second last on the ladder. I doubt they'd move New-FM from 11 teams to 10, then make ZPL an 11 team comp.

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No promotion from ZPL, but perhaps a promotion from ZPL1?? As have said previously, I know Mo-town are doing all they can to get their facilities/ground up to match their on-field results, in an attempt to get to NEWFM asap..

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Originally Posted by Bon

No promotion from ZPL, but perhaps a promotion from ZPL1?? As have said previously, I know Mo-town are doing all they can to get their facilities/ground up to match their on-field results, in an attempt to get to NEWFM asap..

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Yeah I've taken that into consideration above. Just going through the options, which are all pure speculation, other than NewyTy confirming no team from ZPL will be promoted.

Morri to New-FM. No relegation from New-FM to make it 12 teams.
2nd place ZL1 / Club Champions ZL1 promoted to ZPL.
Barnsley relegated to ZL1 / No relegation in ZPL. (therefor no other promotion from ZL1, as per above)

Then normal prototion/relegation in the lower leagues.

Is it really fair to relegate last in ZPL for the team that comes 2nd in the grade below if for some reason Morri do go to NEWFM?
I mean, last does deserve to be relegated but is that cancelled out by the fact that 2nd place doesn't deserve promotion?

This is Newcastle football, anything could happen....

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Originally Posted by The Spy

This is Newcastle football, anything could happen....

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My favorite word............."Shemozzle" !

I would assume that they will wait until the winner from ZPL is ready to step up, and then promote the winner from every grade below without any relegation.
That way they have a 12 team NewFM and stick to even teams in the Zone leagues. If a team can't move up from the lower grades either take 2nd place up or have a season with a bye until someone is ready.
I wouldn't be suprised if Morri just go up to ZPL next year and wait to earn NewFM promotion. Which they look like they could do, they have a very strong team this year without a couple key players for the season.

Given the uneven competitions in NewFM and then right down the bottom in ZF3, I would assume there would be a few weird movements to try and even all of the competitions up.
That and in every competition except NewFM there has been a weird gap where some teams are just out of touch with the rest in the league.
Barnsley in ZPL, Westlakes in ZF1, Kuuri, Mussy, Tenambit in ZF2 and then the domination of Wallsend, New Lambton and Dudley in ZF3

Only issue will always be that one of having to field 3 teams instead of 2 once you move from ZF2 to ZF1.
Player retention is a bitch

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Originally Posted by MonkeyKplunk

Given the uneven competitions in NewFM and then right down the bottom in ZF3, I would assume there would be a few weird movements to try and even all of the competitions up.
That and in every competition except NewFM there has been a weird gap where some teams are just out of touch with the rest in the league.
Barnsley in ZPL, Westlakes in ZF1, Kuuri, Mussy, Tenambit in ZF2 and then the domination of Wallsend, New Lambton and Dudley in ZF3

Only issue will always be that one of having to field 3 teams instead of 2 once you move from ZF2 to ZF1.
Player retention is a bitch

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Convincing a reasonable A/A team to join your 2 team squad shouldn't be that hard. Try to get as many kids coming out of your junior football teams to join them and that would be competitive with most ZP1 3rd grade teams.

Just reading all this promotion and relegation talk I will throw in my input. From conversations with the ZPL bossman and NNSW I have had (as a club official) over the past 10 years or so there will never be any promotion or relegation between the elite NNSW comps & the ZPL competitions. The only way any club can get into the NNSW competitions is via application which is how Kahibah, Cooks Hill & Wallsend got into the NEWFM comp. All ZPL & junior clubs were emailed by NNSW asking for expressions of interest to enter the NEWFM comp last year. As for relegation from NNSW comps if a club is punted from the NNSW comps if they wish to enter the ZPL comps they must apply as all ZPL clubs have to do each season. So as for all this talk re Bero or Morri going to NEWFM will only happen it they apply and they are accepted. Until all ZPL teams meet criteria set by NNSW for their competitions i can't see any promotion or relegation between the comps in the near future.

That's been our major problem in Mussy for years unfortunately. This year has just been a very down year for the whole club. Hopefully a couple of the Juniors can make the semi's and help us save some face.

We had player losses due to movements/injury/work/whatever, so the average age for the entire 1st/Ressie squad was only about 23.
35's couldn't field a whole team all season, and the next closest age group is U15's.

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Originally Posted by Fridge

Just reading all this promotion and relegation talk I will throw in my input. From conversations with the ZPL bossman and NNSW I have had (as a club official) over the past 10 years or so there will never be any promotion or relegation between the elite NNSW comps & the ZPL competitions. The only way any club can get into the NNSW competitions is via application which is how Kahibah, Cooks Hill & Wallsend got into the NEWFM comp. All ZPL & junior clubs were emailed by NNSW asking for expressions of interest to enter the NEWFM comp last year. As for relegation from NNSW comps if a club is punted from the NNSW comps if they wish to enter the ZPL comps they must apply as all ZPL clubs have to do each season. So as for all this talk re Bero or Morri going to NEWFM will only happen it they apply and they are accepted. Until all ZPL teams meet criteria set by NNSW for their competitions i can't see any promotion or relegation between the comps in the near future.

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This is exactly it. There is no promotion or relegation between NEWFM and ZPL and there never has been. Teams have joined NEWFM from the ZPL competition, but it hasn't been based on results, it is based on an application process so the term promotion is incorrect.

we could all start by updating the pulse website with scores, getting that right might lead to bigger and better things..........

As said earlier if you haven't applied you wont go up, simple as that, but then again it is Northern we are talking about....

Obviously the application doesn't take into account the quality of the playing surface then.....:rof: Surprising...as its probably the most important detail....

How awesome the club's canteen is

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Originally Posted by gny

Good to see gardos 1st graders getting the job done in reserve grade 👍🏻

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You are correct but GNY it has been good to see the boys getting the job done.
It's a credit to the depth the Club has formed over the lest few year's and through hard work of various Coach's over that time.

This season has been a steep learning curve for many of our players. Something that we are proud of is the well known fact that we have lost a handful of 1st graders over the last 2 years and we have still put out competitive teams across all 3 grades. We are proud that we are in a position to promote from within and reward players that have put in the hard work to improve themselves as a player rather than going out and paying blokes to win a 4th tier amateur league.
It's a testament to the great work done by some very dedicated people over the year's and it's that great work and Infectious culture that will continue to reap rewards for many years to come.

New Lambton scores still not updated????????

have had it confirmed they were put in sporting pulse yesterday but hasn't updated. The relevant party is checking it again however. Looks like we miss out on that area of the promotion criteria.

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Originally Posted by Beeen

How awesome the club's canteen is

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Keeps Singo in NEWFM....what a canteen that is!

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Originally Posted by Premy

You are correct but GNY it has been good to see the boys getting the job done.
It's a credit to the depth the Club has formed over the lest few year's and through hard work of various Coach's over that time.

This season has been a steep learning curve for many of our players. Something that we are proud of is the well known fact that we have lost a handful of 1st graders over the last 2 years and we have still put out competitive teams across all 3 grades. We are proud that we are in a position to promote from within and reward players that have put in the hard work to improve themselves as a player rather than going out and paying blokes to win a 4th tier amateur league.
It's a testament to the great work done by some very dedicated people over the year's and it's that great work and Infectious culture that will continue to reap rewards for many years to come.

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Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast

Thanks for the compliment, I'm sure the Reserve grade boys will love being called first grade quality.

Fact is, there were zero "first grade" Garden Suburb boys in the reserves team. Garden Suburb boys turned up, Swansea didn't.

Score line should've been 6-7, if the boys didn't get complacent with their 4-0 lead.

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Well which one is it??

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Originally Posted by Donk

Well which one is it??

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Of the top of my head we've probably had about 20 different blokes play 1st grade this year so technically GNY is correct.

(Insert sarcastic vioce)
Unfortunately 20 doesn't fit into 11 so for some funny reason we certain people play reserve grade, just this funny thing we do to field the strongest teams in 3 grades.

Edit: After a quick count we have had 25 players this year to have Start in 1st and an additional 3 who have had a start of the bench.

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Originally Posted by Premy

Of the top of my head we've probably had about 20 different blokes play 1st grade this year so technically GNY is correct.

(Insert sarcastic vioce)
Unfortunately 20 doesn't fit into 11 so for some funny reason we certain people play reserve grade, just this funny thing we do to field the strongest teams in 3 grades.

Edit: After a quick count we have had 25 players this year to have Start in 1st and an additional 3 who have had a start of the bench.

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Yea it's the same at Barnsley when you're not performing well a lot of people tend to change between teams.

Just funny when you have 2 people from the one club say opposite things. Someone needs to point it out.

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Originally Posted by idontwannaplaywithhowey

have had it confirmed they were put in sporting pulse yesterday but hasn't updated. The relevant party is checking it again however. Looks like we miss out on that area of the promotion criteria.

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good source told me that's what happened last year.....:lol:

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Originally Posted by Donk

Yea it's the same at Barnsley when you're not performing well a lot of people tend to change between teams.

Just funny when you have 2 people from the one club say opposite things. Someone needs to point it out.

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Well it depends, the people in Reserve grade, only a handful would've started more than 5-6 games in first grade all season. Does this mean they're now only first graders and we're 'stacking' reserves? I don't think so.

Fact is, when we're short on numbers people go up, when people come back, they get dropped (some) while others have to earn their spot back.

Comments like gny's aren't required because they aren't true, to the full extent. We're not playing our first grade squad in reserves.

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Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast

Well it depends, the people in Reserve grade, only a handful would've started more than 5-6 games in first grade all season. Does this mean they're now only first graders and we're 'stacking' reserves? I don't think so.

Fact is, when we're short on numbers people go up, when people come back, they get dropped (some) while others have to earn their spot back.

Comments like gny's aren't required because they aren't true, to the full extent. We're not playing our first grade squad in reserves.

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I think he is getting what he wants from the comment.

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Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast

Well it depends, the people in Reserve grade, only a handful would've started more than 5-6 games in first grade all season. Does this mean they're now only first graders and we're 'stacking' reserves? I don't think so.

Fact is, when we're short on numbers people go up, when people come back, they get dropped (some) while others have to earn their spot back.

Comments like gny's aren't required because they aren't true, to the full extent. We're not playing our first grade squad in reserves.

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Facts are... If you have played 66% of your games in a higher grade you cant "start" in the lower grade. I cant see suburbs giving up on 1st grade 1/3 of the way through the season and stacking the lower grades, would be pretty dumb and honestly i cant see any club giving up on their 1st grade after 6 games.

What their bench looks like may be a different story, I wouldnt know, I dont play in this grade.

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Originally Posted by Donk

I think he is getting what he wants from the comment.

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I agree he should probably concentrate on getting back in 1st grade himself so he can collect his paycheck.

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Originally Posted by King

You are dreaming if you think it was close. It was a different level between both teams and Heidelberg took the foot off a long way from home and a game to play in Vic Sat. As current leaders, Edgeworth would be competitive against NSW Supa League teams (2nd Div Sydney). Thats not necessarily bad just fact that this NPL, despite NNSWF size is average at best compared to Vic, NSW, SA and QLD. Prycey would confirm WA too. We need to promote a vibrant local comp and give ambitious clubs a chance to reach higher. Generate more interest thus more money thus better quality.

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So by your logic your Majesty, using a one off result as your measuring stick.
Does that mean that the NNSW NPL is on par with the A-League?

Gee my comment has really upset you haha,

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Originally Posted by gny

Gee my comment has really upset you haha,

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No you're wrong gny!
Bon is definitely a reserve grader. Don't know how he's managed to hang on to a first grade spot for so long

Gny you just need to relax and collect your winners bonus

This winning bonus? Have I missed something,
Also premy word is that bloke that cuts trees? Lumberjack or something stupid, is going back to the burbs next season?

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Originally Posted by gny

Gee my comment has really upset you haha,

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Upset? No, you did hit a nerve but. I just wanted to clear up that we haven't stacked our Reserve Grade, I'm all good now.

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Originally Posted by gny

This winning bonus? Have I missed something,
Also premy word is that bloke that cuts trees? Lumberjack or something stupid, is going back to the burbs next season?

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Winning Bonus must only be for First Graders :tongue:

I've also heard those rumors, however at this stage they are just that. It's a little to early to be speculating about who will be a Kingfisher next year. Lets wait until at least October before we start talking about that.

I'm still unclear on this win bonus haha,
Have played and won in 1st grade thus season , just play for fun not money ;),
Lez and those blokes will be good in ressies they will get use to a top 4 finish haha

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Originally Posted by Premy

It's a little to early to be speculating about who will be a Kingfisher next year. Lets wait until at least October before we start talking about that.

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Now now Premy, we all know you'll be a Kingfisher next year :lol: