Rumour getting around that Jacob pepper is heading to Singleton strikers next year as he?s got a job in the mines? Has anyone heard?
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Rumour getting around that Jacob pepper is heading to Singleton strikers next year as he?s got a job in the mines? Has anyone heard?
Cooks Hill 2 - Edgeworth 1
Another hangover for Retro JetQuote:
Originally Posted by 2ndclasscitizen
Cookers keep this up and it may just kill Retro
Everyone will be on the beers, 3 on the bounce is very exciting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Two tone
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Originally Posted by fozphantom
I have seen alot of football and and I have seen the results of players losing their shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
I still remember the report on nbn when those table cloth, nazi lovin turds from melb trashed the breakers shed.
So if you wanna condone said players bustin up opposition sheds cause 'they lose their shit'? KUTGW champ. You haven't been part of a club that's ever been on the receiving end of such behaviour.
Wow, the quality of the NPL this year is diabolical . This lakes team are absolute trash . 9-0 and counting. Won?t be paying money again to watch this rubbish. I won?t get started on the quality of half the other teams in this comp.
Agree fully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueboy
Go back to 8 teams & 3 rounds. This format is a joke & clubs like Lakes are taking the piss if they think they are NPL standard.
Promoting young players to the first team before they are even close to being ready & playing players that are Over 35?s quality is not how a top tier club should operate.
Poor facilities, poor players & poor history. Need I say anymore other than they need to go back a division and rebuild.
Watch them splash the cash next year to try and stay up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
Then go broke the following season and start the rebuild with no money or players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reds Forever
The other question is who out of the NL1 clubs are in a position to be sustainable once promoted?
Cheque books already out for next season is almost old news. Next season will be a new extreme of golden eggs for the entitled.
A comp full of over paid reserve graders. We have to many clubs in the top tier.Quote:
Originally Posted by chook
The problem stems from lack of development in the youth system, to many clubs are focused on winning youth competitions over development and teaching kids to play good football. Wether it be clubs pushing for results or coaches not being able to check their egos at the door, teach the kids from the beginning how to play football and that should see more players capable of playing first grade and eventually a stronger competition.
State League/ NPL has had the dilemma of whether it serves as the regions premier competition or as a development league to get players to play first grade or higher.
The latter saw a shift to first grade and Youth/U20s that works in Sydney (largely due to the sheer volume of players that can afford to turn over a new roster each season) with an argument that “if you ain’t playing first grade by 20, you’re a lost cause, you ain’t making the a league” style logic.
Imo, first and foremost it needs to be the regions best competition.
If it does that, quality players will be developed. But the current system is almost “forcing” clubs to play younger players before they are ready, or at least making it a tempting proposal to save some player points.
Bring back 3 x teams per gameday. It provides avenues to keep players at clubs longer and build a club. There seems to be a really big turnover across most clubs. This loses club identity and devalues playing for the shirt/club and also supporters lose a connection to players.
A) Youth (18s), Reserves (U22 with a few overage players) and Firsts.
B) Reserves (no age requirements), Youth (U20s), First Grade.
Part of what makes playing this level so rewarding is feeling part of a club. Senior squads training together. Older heads showing younger guys what to do. Driving standards. If your youth coach gave you a challenge to play simple and no turnovers, you’d be like yeh, sure. But if a senior player got up you for a bad pass or giving it away too easily, man you’d be working to make amends.
I think the current JDL and Youth competition setups are a massive improvement to what was previously offered 10’years ago (nothing). Will see more kids exposed to a semi professional set up, earlier.
The aim should be to have the best competition. With that, development of players from 15 into first grade should happen.
I used to get annoyed at cheque book clubs. But they serve a purpose. Each club offers something different. And that’s the beauty of it. Scrap the points system, if clubs wanna spent 100k on players to win a 20k prize pool, Goodluck to them. With relegation and promotion, clubs need to have one eye on the next season and hopefully that will a shift to focus on developing instead of paying.
Why wouldn't he just go to WestonQuote:
Originally Posted by AcaiBowl6%
Excellent post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Has the turnover only just happened? Was there little turnover before this season started?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Oh no, it definitely hasn’t just started. It has, is and will always happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
It’s just the reasons that change.
I have no problem with players leaving for more money, more game time, more opportunity, for mates, for coaches for location etc.
But I don’t like when good club men are turned away because they don’t fit into the point system.
I don’t mean having a whole team of has beens. But sometimes these fringe first graders or ex first graders that are transitioning back are some brilliant mentors and people to have around a club. If we can do anything to allow some of them to stay or even to give some younger players some time to transition to first grade, it surely will pay off.
So if that's the case and the U18s have always been on senior days before why would putting them back in change it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Now that is a different story, a proper revamp of the points system does need to be looked at.Quote:
But I don?t like when good club men are turned away because they don?t fit into the point system.
I don?t mean having a whole team of has beens. But sometimes these fringe first graders or ex first graders that are transitioning back are some brilliant mentors and people to have around a club. If we can do anything to allow some of them to stay or even to give some younger players some time to transition to first grade, it surely will pay off.
Abolish the points system. It’s seemingly useless. Clubs circumvent it. Players lose out. Clubs lose out. It hasn’t really served a purpose. It was meant to even the playing field a little. I’d argue it has not. May as well just do away with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
If clubs want to spend $$ let them. If they can sustain it, good on them. If not, too bad, so sad.
As for the youth. I’m not sure that affects retention directly. But if a club can formulate a connection between JDL, youth and NPL seniors they will flourish. If there’s a pathway, if there’s a place within clubs for players stuck between the youth/first grade jump.
Playing 18s on the same day as seniors could help getting the families acquainted with senior football, players can sit bench for reserves, youth can come sit bench for 18s and experience seniors.
I also just think a bit of a bigger gameday would be a bit better bang for back for spectators. Clubs can take gate from the parents too (lol).
Idk, all a matter of opinion really.
Just responding to comments that this is a poor representation of our local football scene.
Happy to hear other opinions.
You speak a lot of sense Brem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
The decoupling pushes the winning mentality further. Focus on development and lose your best to clubs coaching to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by onlooker
I agree, there needs to be more connection and clubs need a stronger culture. A lot of reasons why they don't including that each group tend to be run by sub-committees and don't have people looking over all of it to make a connection. I know some clubs invite their JDL teams in to be mascots for the 1st grade teams, others have 1st graders attend their youth training, which is probably a good way to bring about a connection and bring rapport. Of course clubs need to also not just think they need to win reserves, see some great players kicked out because they are 18 because the club wants to win reserves so will take 20-24yos rather than use it to give these young guns experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
I don't really have an issue either way, but I don't think this is the solution, 18s not being on the same day has only just begun this year, but the problem it is meant to solve has been happening when 18s where on the same day, so clearly it isn't the solution or the change being the reason why players leave clubs.Quote:
Playing 18s on the same day as seniors could help getting the families acquainted with senior football, players can sit bench for reserves, youth can come sit bench for 18s and experience seniors.
I also just think a bit of a bigger gameday would be a bit better bang for back for spectators. Clubs can take gate from the parents too (lol).
This was happening anyway in a lot of clubs. Decoupling does hold clubs to account to develop better players and keep them and not just churn through them because they lose every week but go and grab a new lot of kids from NL1 and community telling them if they come they will play NPL. Those that don't want to develop players and just take whomever to fill teams will see them drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Largesse
The clubs getting the best results in youth are generally playing the better football,especially in the 13/14 age group where the first crop of JDL kids are coming through.Winning is a by product of the work they have put in.Theres plenty of good football being played by teams that dont get the best results as well and id bet they will get the results in the long term if they stick with it.Id love to see clubs rewarded with incentives for JDL and youth kids to make it all the way through to grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Largesse
At Taffy...
I think clubs in general are not very good at community engagement anymore. From A-League downwards...the 'business' aspects of modern football also prevent this ingratiating into a club...pay for play is a cancer in many levels.
Football in Australia is a pyramid scheme. What u call cancer, many clubs call survival.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Pyramid schemes are illegal for a reason
Perhaps the model is wrong in the first place...other codes, and our community clubs, here manage to "survive" without charging a fortune to participate
CHUFC 4 - NL 3
Was 1-3 with 10min to go
And who said the NPL was boring. NL had the game in the bag with 10 to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2ndclasscitizen
not 'hard' enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by 2ndclasscitizen
Can anyone shed some light on the demise of Lakes? It is getting to a point where their credibility in the top flight must be in question.
Next year if they don?t do anything then they will be relegated. It?s possibly the worst team in npl/first division historyQuote:
Originally Posted by MurderOnZidanesFloor
Leaking over 4 goals a game is just awful
Typical NNSW turning a blind eye and letting clubs go further into trouble without any help
How are Northern meant to help Lakes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alton
Exactly, not NNSWF problemQuote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
If they really want to help Lakes, they need to stop with this promotion relegation business, give them a decade where they can focus on all aspects of the club, youth development and improving facilities without fear of relegation. I’m sure they’ll be in a much better position.
Please remove the tongue from your cheek! :roflz:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Their demise has been coming for a while now , like many clubs before them they will continue to slide down with no support from the governing body who should?ve noticed like the rest of us. The ivory tower needs proper ? club support ? personnel in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
HahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Using this logic can you not say the governing body are doing a great job because Maitland is on a 10 game run, and they are also doing a mediocre job because Edgy have won half their games?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alton