Have you bought the Prius yet Plague or did you go for a Tarago ? I fear we are losing you can we organise an intervention to save our valued Forumite please peoples.Quote:
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Have you bought the Prius yet Plague or did you go for a Tarago ? I fear we are losing you can we organise an intervention to save our valued Forumite please peoples.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
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Originally Posted by plague
How much?
A 9 or 10 year old in a community team would pay probably $250 average. Bit concerned as to what SAP rego would be when you here some are going to gyms and some are paying coaches.
All this when our countries newest Senior player never set foot into the country until he was 25 and now looks like our brightest prospect and possiby our only hope of having a regular goal scorer in our countries top team now that Cahill has retired.
Say's alot for our development system and all the money parents pay to give their kids the best opportunity.
last year was about $700, this year its gone up but not exactly sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dontknowmuch
the club explained all the fees, and the kit component was about $250 lf that amount. (the kids got a lot of kit).
so we justified it as about double the price of Mini-roos, but with twice as many games every week, for a way longer season (so actually about 36 x 40 minn games per season), with twice as much training, and with coaches who are dedicated to teaching the kids as per the curriculum set out (im pretty sure our club pays coaches but they deserve it IMHO). Plus he was playing a 2nd winter sport last year (which costs money) so by giving that up it saved money (and time).
Plague Jr plays futsal with some same age kids who dont do SAP, the gap in talent now compared to last year is noticeable. Look, some kids dont need SAP, as they can get the same skills from mum or dad in the backyard, or some private coaching. its not the only way to improve a kid, but it works for Plague Jr, hes dedicated to it so we'll continue.
again, totally agree with your point about developing players. all ill say is that this 'new' program is designed to address the flaws in the old system. as someone already noted, we wont find out for about 10 years or so.
i read your post whilst wearing my MAGA hat and burning a lump of coal in my front yard just for the sake of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
dont stress mate, im still here.
Plague beat me to it, but yeah the kids play 40 40min games with 2 bye weekends and train twice a week during the 30week program. And have trial matches in their preseason which has been going for a few weeks already. Wallsend has rego at $495 for returning players and at $650 for new players (includes kit).
For those who come to training, games, listen and apply what they've learnt both in the programs hours and in their own time then yes you do see improvements in their skills and gameplay. It's early days with the program but i'm happy with it so far. it could definitely do with a lot more promoting
Good news indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Over $700 for a 9yo to play soccer, and not all parents will or can even afford that. No wonder the potential for talent that could come through will continue to be restricted to the children of well-off parents. And with the bigger gap in talent we are leaving the next potential Cahill's Jadink's all because we need to gouge parents out of money. Australia had its golden run of international football we won't be there again when we start excluding so many players.
Australia used to produce the best tennis players in the world - then junior tennis became a business, talented kids were priced out of the game and it's been farked ever since.
Football has adopted a similar model and will unfortunately get similar results in that the ones that do find success more often than not will have taken an alternative path - provided they can afford it.
Parents are being conned and they don't see it.
We used to segregate sport by race now we do it by incomes.
Didnt Bradman hit a marble with a chopstick up against a concrete pineapple or something?
More than one way to skin a cat yanno.
But that is the problem with sport where people are using the sport to create jobs for themselvesQuote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Look at how many people now are earning money from being employed football in Australia??
Besides the handful of professional players and coaches at the 10 HAL clubs we have tens of thousands of others with their hand in the cookie jar whether getting payment for coaching at varioys age groups and levels or playing at what is amatuer level in the NPL and below
The worst part about all this is that FFA through their inaction have allowed this to occur and been complicit in it
So players maybe in positions for the long haul?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
I was surprised to hear that some clubs are not rotating this year either which is different to what I read in development notes. Of course they move a little but not all around the 3-3 (u9's) formation if they're using that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retired01
Think I'd rather take a familiar set of players to a cheaper club next year like Wallsend if it doesnt really work out this year. Get a similar skill set, training and get used to coming up against tough opposition every week. Ego is a curse at this age.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan
Any of you blokes want to point to me the sport where good coaches are free and facilities are there for everyone to enjoy?
Football in countries other than Australia and USAQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
Plenty of footballers on the planet who were coached by volunteers as kids without facilities havibg to be world class etc
That the problem here
People lower down on the tree with their hand out in expectation
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Originally Posted by MFKS
I ain’t going to work today for free. Are you?
Sorry I don't know how to paste all the quotes to respond to.
As a parent what else can you do about the fees? You certainly aren't just not going to play.
If there is a plan as to how the kids should be coached why isn't it enforced? eg swapping positions, attending hubs.
In our everyday work life we have a plan and we follow it. If someone does their own thing its not tolerated. Its obviously been developed by someone a bit more qualified than these guys.
Problem is in any form of capitalist production we don't care about what we produce only how much money we make from it. Quality doesn't even enter the equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Apple is worth over $800 Billion dollars and we'd be kidding ourselves to say it's because they make quality products or even products that satisfy their customers.
Instead, they have created a market whereby people are more concerned about being part of the market / religion than they are actually receiving the best product for their money.
Junior football is doing exactly the same thing just on a smaller scale.
You can see it here in the responses from parents whereby they are swallowing the hype hook line and sinker.
By the time parents realise the system has failed the kids have either grown up or moved on to another sport or pastime.
Don't get me wrong for some kids this system is great [and that included\s kids that won't be future stars] but for the majority it's a massive con.
If it makes the kids happy it's a success. If it falsely makes the kids think they are going to be future stars then it's not.
Ummmm, you do realise there are plenty of wide open spaces out there for you (or any parent) to take little Johnny for a kick and to pass on all your knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Again, blokes on here making out spending lots of money on coaching is compulsory.
Plenty of examples even at HAL level of blokes coming through without having gone through these programs.
Maybe get off your own asses and teach the kids?
I can tell you that as someone that was involved in applying for a SAP licence prior to last season and as a club committee member, the cost to play football just keeps going up. the clubs make very little if anything, off player fees. The original plan was for SAP coaches to be paid about $1500 a season (I think but my memory is sometimes not fully functioning and this amount was mandated by NNSW at the time).
Costs to consider, particularly for NPL, NEWFM and SAP:
Rego
Insurance
Ground use
Lighting
Referees
Physio
The club I was involved in was considered the premium tenant during football season but as the season now runs for the best part of 10 months with trials and pre season, the clubs in Lake Mac pay a higher rate to use them during cricket season.
Lighting and electricity are far from cheap
Physio can range up to $50 per game for a physio to be there each weekend. Some clubs have a physio available for training ($$)
Rego cost: set at a higher level than the club
For SAP: the cost if using the Lake Macquarie facility
Folks, it adds up fast.
In the first year of SAP, our club figured out that the minimum cost, without the club making a single cent would be close to $700 (including clothing).
If you consider a kid in NEWFM or NPL plays 22 games during the season and let's assume a cost of $1,000 then the cost per game s about $45. That $45 includes 2 training sessions per week during the season plus 6 to 10 weeks of pre-season, a number of trial games and finals (if you are good enough) then the real cost is somewhat less than $45 per game. I don't have kids in music lessons or some other external to school activities so I don't know how much they cost but I'd bet you wouldn't get much more than a 30 minute lesson for $45.
Is it too expensive for football? Yep. How do we get the price down? Don't know. If Council charge less for grounds then they will get worse. If we pay referees less then we might lose referees or fail to attract new ones. Keep power bills down by training during daylight? Not enough grounds for that.
I don;t know the answer, but it would really help if ALL clubs itemised their costs for their players so everyone understands where every cent goes.
Id love it if ALL clubs were afforded the opportunity to apply for a SAP licence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvzrOMuPsj8
SAP motivational video.