So Lawrie says on Twitter, nothing to do with the Chinese player... Hmmmmmmm
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So Lawrie says on Twitter, nothing to do with the Chinese player... Hmmmmmmm
Hmmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast
fk u lee
Our new Head Coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
this is the bloke that continually subbed on defenders down in games with 5 mins to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by late_to_the_game
Miller out lord griff in
Best news all year, got what he deserved
Scott Miller
May not have had the best overall record, but he was coming into a steaming pile of horseshit left by Stubbins and Tinkler. Shame we'll never get to see what he could have achieved this year.
* 29 games in charge, made up of 27 A-League and 2 FFA Cup
* W-D-L was 8 wins, 6 draws and 15 losses.
* First coach to do the treble over the Nix
* First coach to win in Gosford in 2696 days.
* First time since Season 3 we have gone undefeated against the Gypos in a regular season.
* First coach to lead us to victory from two goals down. That's at any time, let alone half time
* Only GvE (144) and Branko (59) have managed us in more matches.
* In charge for 447 days - third longest serving in Jets history
* Average goals for 1.069, Goals conceded 1.586
* Second worst win percentage in Jets coaching history
* Coach with most points attained from behind (8) in Jets history in one season.
I feel a sense emptiness because we didn't get to see what he could achieve. Sure we had fun at his talking in circles, and big words that really told us nothing and he gave us a wonderful drinking game. But this bloke and his team brought me 2 of the best live match experiences I've had. He brought me such a great night watching us come from 2 down at He got the derby and what it meant. He got the crowd. He got the active support.
I mean, there really wasn't much debate about his position. We were by the most behind him in support.
The club have worked so hard to rebuild their image with the fans, and with one act we are back to square one. Any new coach has to win over the fans, but most importantly the players - the majority I assume are loyal to Miller.
I hope they realise what they've done and how hard it will be rebuild the trust of a fan base who sadly know this sort of experience all too well.
You could sense from his interviews with the press that there was a tense relationship with the new owner. I always thought this would end in tears just not so soon
I have heard from a few people that they are calling tomorrow to try and cancel their membership. Ive not heard this tyre of action before, may take more rebuilding of trust than the club realises.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Some people are saying that Miller made an ultimatum, the assistant coach or him, and that the Chinese see this as disrespect. That is all well and fine, but Mr Lee needs to be more culturally aware of the fan base (as much as the staff and players need to be culturally aware of the chinese) or he will very quickly end up with nothing.
We had a Chinese coach out here observing a month back did we not. Never was really explained what that was about. Makes you wonder
Are you inferring that Miller was respectfullQuote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
Could be a factor too.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Maybe Miller deciding to leave 3 squad players behind and bring in 3 youth players may have annoyed a lot of people too....coaching staff and team-mates.
Just do not know.
Hopefully it all comes out in the wash....we hope.
I would like to know, but doubt you will hear another word from Lawrie. Scott would be meeting with his lawyers tomorrow I would suspectQuote:
Originally Posted by stopper2
No, but having knee jerk reactions and sacking anyone you feel is disrespectful is never going to end well.Quote:
Originally Posted by mervan
Wonder how he will respond to fan hostility in the stands.
Seems some people are very easy to please, I mean cancelling your Membership over a coach who won four home games all season last year and got us in 8th position. Sure there were positives and Jeterpool has done a great job in highlighting them above with his statistics but a good leader brings people along with him, he doesn't make them. Miller for a rookie coach seemed to think he already knew it all, does anyone stop and think that maybe his abrasive personality were the reasons why Jones left early on in the piece and why JPD only lasted one season with him???Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
The usual suspects say they are cancelling every time there's a crisis...ffs.
Definitely some over reacting on social media.
It's only another coach after all.
Some public corporal punishment would have sufficedQuote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
Counterpoint:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Brought on defenders in the last 5 minutes when trailing.
Continually threw his players under the bus early in the season (granted he improved that towards the end).
Didnt re-sign Griff.
Spoke in such gravy that no one in the city was interested in going to those crummy matches (except the 3,500 that did out of obligation).
Tried to be flash by wearing suits but never shaved so looked like a real estate agent "between jobs".
Shook hands with Hutcho, wouldn't be shocked if thats why he really got the ass.
The people I am referring to aren't usual suspects. These are people who have been following various newcastle teams since KB. Never before have I heard any of these waiver or re-consider membership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
After years of false hope, people are starting to crack.
Coaches come and go, what you see is not always what you get
Our squad is below par, the owner is a nut job, and we don't have a coach. Vintage Jets.
Normal service resumed.
(long time lurker first time poster.)Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
From what I have heard from my sources at the club, and from talking with others with knowledge this is what occurred on the china trip leading up to todays decision, whether this is true Im not sure, this is what I have been told from my sources. McKinna had no control over this decision, wouldnt be surprised to see him walk in the coming days.
- Scott was not present for the start of the china trip, only arrived an hour prior to the first match to meet with the group
- Luciano was not happy that everything was dumped on him regarding preparation for this match
- Luciano throughout the trip had bad mouthed Scott behind his back to other staff members, (perhaps one of the staff went back to Scott with this info?)
- Second game I am to believe there was a mishap regarding the team sheet, hence why at one stage just after half time we were down to 10 and the asian team scored, I remember reading on Lawrie's twitter or instagram about a player being sent off, with no red card shown. (From previous experience filling out the team sheet is something an assistant or team manager does)
- Luciano is told after this match that he is no longer required on the trip, subsequently he returns back to australia.
Thats all I know from what I been told, now the rest is just pure speculation from me as to what occurred afterwards.
- Trani returns back to Australia, and goes to higher ups (Ledman Group??? Board?) with his side of the story regarding what happened, Scott doesnt seem like the sort of person to hold back so he probably tore Trani a new one for not checking team sheet properly (imagine if that had occurred in an A League match)
- Trani not happy he got mugged of by someone younger than him and someone he considers to have less experience
- Whether or not Trani told the whole truth or added something extra to make Scott look bad remains to be known
- Trani is close mates with new Chinese assistant coach, where as Scott wasnt. This Chinese coach obvs has very good connections with Ledman Group guessing Trani used this to his advantage.
- perhaps the china man wasnt happy with the way Scott treated him, only adding fuel to the fire
- Not sure whether Scott was given a chance to explain his side of the story, i feel the ultimatum thing might be correct or ledman have just backed Trani over Scott.
Im sure stuff regarding the treatment of Cooper, Brennan and Pavicevic , along with the reluctancy to give Ma Lei Lei more minutes also contributed to Scotts dismissal.
From putting all the pieces together seems Trani has knifed Scott in the back because he was sent home, now he actually might end up with a head coaching role, something which he has never had before in the A-league, maybe this why he has joined the jets, cause he knew this was the quickest route to him getting a head gig.
This has got EVERYTHING to do with the Chinese triallist......Quote:
Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast
It's not just another coach. It's the timing. It's letting Miller fill the squad and spend most of the pre-season with the team before sacking him. It's that we appear to have a snake for an AM, so if he isn't promoted, will he just do the same to the next guy? It's that our owner is going to meddle in the team selection. It's a combination of all these things that will likely lead to a very frustrated and disrupted playing group. It's the instability that Jets fans were dreading again, and means Lee is well behind the 8 ball if he wants to appear different than Con or Tinkler. Miller wasn't perfect, but he did a great job pulling us out of the absolute shit heap Stubbins & co created. He deserved another year to improve on what he was building. Lee mustn't have had a problem with that for the first few months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
can we have a Trani out thread now please? no-one likes a backstabber...
Miller did turn up late to China, filming something with Fox I think, and there was a point in the 2nd game where Lawrie tweeted we were playing with 10 men.Quote:
Originally Posted by evanhayes5
This sounds quite close to the mark. Sounds like you have good sources.
Noting the chinese assistant is still here and the circumstances of his arrival, you wouldn't think Scott would have been awfully close to him whereas you can see Trani whiteanting. And the fact Lawrie is open in saying it has nothing to do with him. How else does Trani get such influence in a short space of time.
Pleased to see Lawrie stated this morning that Trani would not get the top job.
By rough count, Trani has been @ Wellington, Adelaide, Brisbane, City & now us. Surely someone can see he's leaving paths of destruction behind him?
If Scott Miller reads this foz & this thread, I'd just like to say thankyou for all the work you put into our squad. We haven't had a coach in so many years that has played a system to suit the capabilities of the players - you got us playing a no-nonsense game that attempted to work with the positives of the players and tried to make up for the negatives each player had.
Cheers mate, best of luck in the future.
Thanks mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
never trust a tranny !
The Jets should go all out and sign this bloke either as the new coach or a Marquee striker.
Better yet, sign him up as the No. 1 Keeper - no opposition players would want to enter the 18 yard box with this bloke in goal.
Fits all the criteria and sends the right message to the fans about how serious the club is when it comes to winning.
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Still think there's more to this. How does an assistant of a few months overrule the manager. I feel Lee is a better businessman then that.
Just can't wait till a ball is kicked and we can focus on how shit we are on the pitch rather then off it.
You should read the Art of War. I'm sure Mr Lee has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilso8948
Quote:
“Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment — that which they cannot anticipate.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
I think Evan Hayes's post above is as close to a an understandable reason as I have seen.
The Chinese assistant was obviously sent here to judge Miller and see how he performed. And Miller does seem like the standoffish type. Can easily see the assistants ganging up here to roll Miller.
It's the only other line of comunication to Lee that I can see if McKinna was not involved.
I also don't think Lee thinks twice about firing a coach. They come and go very quickly in Chinese football
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Originally Posted by evanhayes5
Can we resolve this dilemma please? Just who is the real Scott Miller?Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
Perhaps the Jetstream can line up an interview and fire some quick Myers-Briggs questions at him.
Lawrie quoted this morning saying "the fans will never know the true story"
This is one f*cked up club if the expect fans to hand over cash to be kept in the dark
From McKinna's twitter, I get the feeling he's gone soon as well.