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This year has been the most competitive NewFM season I can remember - good to see a number of upsets regularly.
Predictions for top 4:
Firsts:
1. Lakes
2. Kahibah
3. BelSwans
4. Wallsend
Belswans to beat Lakes in GF.
23s
1. Lakes
2. Cooks Hill
3. Belswans
4. Kahibah
Lakes to beat Cookers in GF.
19s
1. Belswans
2. Lakes
3. Kahibah
4. Westy
Belswans to beat Kahibah in GF
17s
1. Lakes
2. Westy
3. Wallsend
4. Cooks Hill
GF win to Lakes over Westy in penalty shootout.
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Originally Posted by LongSufferingFan
Agree with most of those, I reckon Kahibah for first grade!
Any coaching movements as of late or early for next season?
Have the likes of Rufo/Piggo/Glennie/Tony J (stags coach, is leaving from what I've heard) been contacted by any clubs?
Rufo has signed with belswans to be first grade coachQuote:
Originally Posted by BigSam
Few clubs will be looking at coaches still? Any names or suggestions out there?
Wallsend
Cookers
Stags
Also any standout players?
1st- Sparre (cooks hill) Ash iffiled (Kahibah) Dan march (GK stags)
17s- Kurtis someone?? (lakes 17s) this kid has huge potential and his brother is a decent GK
I'd probably throw Cessnock into the coach debate as I'm not sure if Thomson will continue on next year. Depends on how the club feel. Wallsend and Cookers I feel need a real leader, not just a coach. What they (especially Cooks Hill) with someone like a Gumprecht would be amazing but they'll only be stuck in neutral if they don't think outside the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigSam
As for standouts, there's plenty across all four grades. Kurtis McRitchie has done well in front of goals in 17's but I think a lot of that has come from the team around him. If he's not at Lakes next year then him and his brother will be at Stags IMO and will fit in well with the local feeling going on there. I wouldn't be surprised to see loads of Toronto/West Lake Mac juniors return home next season.
Some others, mostly for potentials sake who might be worth a look:
-Will Forbes at Cessnock (U/17's Striker): Has played all four games a few times, ultra fit and can score goals.
-Jackson Manning at Wallsend (U/17's CB): Really solid defender. Wallsend are crazy if they let him go. Long-term central defender.
The comp overall is only going to keep improving with the current 17's/19's crop coming through and of course some quality, more experienced players coming from the NPL or elsewhere.
True Ty, have heard they are toronto locals, wonder why they left in the first placeQuote:
Originally Posted by NewyTy
Hows Coos Hill at present after Glennie has left, is the assistant any good? Mal has been around for a few years now and will get the BOYS to play for him
Not sure why they left. I went through last year's stats and saw Kurtis didn't get anywhere near as many goals and has stepped up at Lakes, hench my thoughts about it being a lot to do with the team around him. He's a good player though and I'll be interested to see where he ends up next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigSam
Cooks Hill's not going too bad but they need a quality coach next year. I like Mal and the assistant (Jarrod) but they really do need someone like Gumprecht or Rufo (obviously those two aren't available) but they need a technical director if not a coach who can really hit home professionalism across the board. I've seen a lot of club philosophies this season and it's fair to say that Kahibah are ahead of Wallsend and far ahead of Cooks Hill after two years at this level.
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Originally Posted by NewyTy
are you expecting them to stay around, often see the assistant coach at other games and seems keen to learn.... maybe needs to tone it down on the sideline sometimes, that will come with maturity though
Glennie still around at all watching etc? was a decent player from memory
I agree with Ty.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewyTy
Have seen the Lakes 17's team play live and from what I saw they play a possession based game with quick ball movement.
You need a team of quality players to pull that off in any grade. I saw them play Westy and that night the 2 centre backs were the standouts for me.
Good strikers should excel in that environment - Much harder in an average team as I assume Toronto 17s were last year.
Still the kid can't do any more than put the ball in the back of the net - credit to him.
Not sure of the stats - I assume he will get 17s golden boot Ty?
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Originally Posted by LongSufferingFan
nah think there is a kid from westy scoring goals that will take it
that lakes team is impressive the ball movement and speed they play with
McRitchie will hang on for 17's golden boot IMO. I think it'll be the most even finals series across the grades too. Very exciting four teams heading towards the playoffs and even Kahibah still in with a chance.
As for Cookers, the assistant is keen on staying for the rest of this year but is probably looking around for next season. From what I've heard the club want him to stay. And no Glennie wasn't at the game last weekend.
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Originally Posted by NewyTy
Ahk fair point, me being a stags local would like to see all locals- all be it local players or coaches back at the club to help move it forward....
its a shame to see them elsewhere, i know him personally and the work he does with the younger ones is good,often attends the younger grades to see who is about the club, a few he gave a chance to in the 22s last year are now in the 1st grade line up at Stags.
Yeah pretty sure he's looking to coach at stags next year, hence why he keeps reffering to himself in the third person lol ,Quote:
Originally Posted by NewyTy
Have been a supporter of the stags for my entire life... No longer play just enjoy a beer on the hill and get down to watch when the family allows.. As stated he coached our 22s last year and has said he will probably have the year off as Glennie won't be coachingQuote:
Originally Posted by seldom
Loads of Toronto/Westlakes juniors ??? Would be interesting, there is a lot around NPL, but would be a while before they came back in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewyTy
If Toronto were in NPL might be a different story, but would be mad to go back to Newfm, especially around the 18-22 age bracket. could depend on who is coach as well.
As for the U17, again, unfortunately, U17 Newfm is light years away from NPL U17/19.
Would be great for stags to compete again and maybe could keep young talant on the west side of the lake, but would the ones that have left come back ???? GA your young bloke probably wouldn't would he ?? And he was a stag.Quote:
Originally Posted by GO AWAY
And agree new fm 17's is like watching slow motion compared to current NPL 17's
I have watched Lakes 17's and my opinion they would be bottom 1/2 of NPL 17's, suppose we will see next year ??
No, unless in NPL and a good coach, but at the moment very happy with SP and AzzurriQuote:
Originally Posted by Why Blue
And why not, he is going well thereQuote:
Originally Posted by GO AWAY
Would be great to see him with a strong club 😜😄
He is :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Why Blue
So 2 weeks still to play and Lakes are the first grade premiers.
Would be ironic if they don't get promoted due to the restructure.
Word is that Valo will be relegated and 1 of either Lakes, Southy or Cessnock promoted for a 10 team NPL. Only hearsay but I'd be very surprised if Cessnock are included so it's virtually down to Southy and Lakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongSufferingFan
Therefore Valo out, Lakes in....... simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
Did hear Toronto Awaba had a very strong case remembering they got in last time there was a criteria based competition
Lakes IMO have to go up as they're by far the most solid club in NewFM across the grades and to be honest I don't see where Toronto would beat them on the application. Both fields very much the same and off the field I see Lakes as more prepared. And this is from someone who's had one or two disagreements with one or two people at LakesQuote:
Originally Posted by GO AWAY
So promote Lakes and Southy have a 12 team NPL
And promote New Lambton to the new 10 team 2nd Division.
No promotion/relegation for 3 year licence period, clubs re-apply for NPL for the 2020 season.
It would just mean Lakes/Southy/Valo would be the whipping boys in NPL because there is not enough quality for 12 teams there.
Even the next 2 best NewFM teams would struggle in a 14 team NPL.
You're a genius Postman...Effective and simple solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Postman
I don't know why NNSWF think it is so hard.
I think players will try to disperse themselves throughout all NPL clubs. Obviously the bigger clubs would pretty much get their pick of the players, but as you saw with maitland, lambton and Adamstown, players will go there when their original clubs aren't giving them games or they can offer a bit more $$.
Eg if southy go up, they'd probabaly get a few players wishing to return to the club, and that would strengthen their club from their current squad. Similarly, if kabibah or Toronto got promoted, they'd have a few current NPL players coming back or trying their luck at a new club.
For mine two things must happen. There needs to be promotion and relegation. There only needs to be a max of 8 teams in NPL 1 (21 rounds). Put as many qualified (eligible for promotion) teams in NPL 2 as possible with allowance for clubs to break into NPL 2 within the 3 years if they become qualified.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Postman
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dontknowmuch
Surely the overall aim is to develop our high level players in such a way the competition standard steadily improves in quality and depth.
Promotion and relegation in its current form doesn't achieve this. Every NPL clubs first priority is not player development but avoiding relegation.
As a result we see clubs in bidding wars over the top players in the competition which increases player payments generally.
NNSW NPL clubs have limited ability to raise funds - the Hunter just isn't that big a place.
Once player payments are accounted for there is little money, time or inclination for NPL clubs to develop players.
Look at South Cardiff as an example. In 2014 and 2015 they had their COE for developing their NPL youth players.
Whatever they spent on that was a waste of money - where are these players now? Certainly not at Southy as they don't have any teams under 17 NewFM because they were relegated last year.
The current structure doesn't work so why continue it?
Lets try something different, no promotion and relegation for three years - perhaps we might see some clubs invest seriously in their juniors instead of investing in club hopping mercenaries.
Thats Ridicolous.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongSufferingFan
In essence you are saying having no promotion relegation but a larger competition will assist clubs develop players How? Why? yet all the second tier clubs will have no incentive to develop theirs for 3 years. Doesnt make sense. Since when do you need $$$ to develop youth players or high level players. What would investing in their juniors do to help devolpment, I dont understand. As far as I understand NPL 2 will also have 13 thru to 16s.
Why doesnt the current structure work? Hasnt there been a different Grand Final winner each season and also different premiership winner as well for the last 3 seasons if Olympic hang on this year it will be another different winner. Adamstown seem to be the only team that has been in the comp every year for the last 3 years that hasn't made finals. On those stats whats wrong with the way it is. Charlestown/Maitland run 8th and 9th last year push for finals this year as well.
If you can spend $10,000 on a striker that's going to keep you from relegation or you could spend $10,000 on training equipment for your NYL teams or improve the training pitch? What do you think most people would do haha.
How is that developing the striker or the NYL teams. You dont need fancy training equipment and bowling greens to develop players, have a look some of the South American and African youth conditions and they seem to throw out a handy player of 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
DKM you are missing the point.
Look at the last two teams to be promoted - Maitland and Valo.
Both clubs have a massive junior base and catchment areas so should be able to field competitive NPL teams in every age group.
Looking at the current tables:
Maitland - 13s 2nd last (-45 gd), 14s 3rd last, 15s last (no wins -51 gd), 19s last, 22s last, FIRST GRADE 4th.
Valo - 13s 3rd last, 14s last (no wins -63 gd), 19s 2nd last (-38 gd), FIRST GRADE 7th.
Tell me these clubs are focusing on youth development.
Post of the year, well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongSufferingFan
theres a simple answer to all this, bring back the original points system from the first NPL season, this had clubs hopping on their toes, then some bright spark from FFA goes and changes it, much to the joy of the rich.
So what is the story with the points system FR?Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
What has changed since year 1 to make it less useful - I thought it was supposed to get more restrictive each year?
So if we do have NPL1 and NPL2 next season does that mean NPL2 will have to comply with the points system as well?
As though there isn't any rich clubs in bigger 2nd tier leagues that have good connections with the FFA.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Went the other way, they've loosened restrictions. Pretty much open slather again I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongSufferingFan
If NNSW are so concerned regarding NEWFM clubs will not be able to satisfy the facility and player development requirements, wouldn't it be in the best interests of all involved that NNSW did not wait until season's to announce their plans for 2017? Enabling additional time to ready for 2017.
Or are their plans so contraversial they think it best wait until clubs disperse at seasons end?
Heavily clutching at straws here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dontknowmuch
The facilities that the "handy player or 2" you speak of come from put the facilities in Newcastle to shame.
Quiet a few Brazilians grew up playing in the streets on concrete. Expect big things from valentine coming out of Cahill Oval.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy