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We may be wrong I will admit that is possible. I do not believe we are though.Quote:
Originally Posted by snake
I do find it hard to believe a religion that was formed 600 years after mine and has distorted a lot of the things the 2 religions share could be right though.
Logical question is why it came about 600 years after mine did and wasn't starting around the same time frame or before mine
i find it hard to believe, too. probably because it's all total bollocks.
why did god only reveal himself throgh a fraction of the worlds population in a time when the message couldn't be spread? why were the filipinos or aboriginals not given a chance at salvation? does he not love them?
So why can the government then not give them the same rights under the law but allow Adam and Steve to achieve this through the civil union thing and not marriage??Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
That way Adam and Steve get their rights you want for them. Religion keeps their marriage claim.
Everyone wins except Adam and Steve in the afterlife have to pay???
the irony isn't lost that the most cynical **** on the foz is apparently simultaneously the most gullible
fully expecting this to be some amazing troll. well done in advance.
Yeah so I think we agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
And I'm sure Adam and Steve will take their chances in the afterlife.
there are so many things wrong than this post both factually and otherwise. I'd advise that you do more research on it before you make statements like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by snake
I agree with the member. Marriage is designed for a male and female. I believe it is a gift from God.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I do not believe the same sex equivalent should be called marriage because of the value it holds to Christians and others, etc.
Marriage may have happened in this country is formed by the view of marriage in the country that inhabited us which is formed by Christianity.
Oh my.Quote:
Originally Posted by joel31
hindus and buddhists get married and they don't follow your particular god. should we deny them their right to get married?
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...lz8iprudro.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by joel31
**** I hope we win a game soon.
:rof: :rof:Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
I think we all need to go watch re runs of all Xmas movies guys.
This thread has gone from trains, to Islam, to police, to God, to gays and now joel31 providing his usual ineptitude
Where would we be without the foz eh?
**** this thread just got good glad I popped in. Highlights so far are member calling people nut jobs then saying he believes in sky Santa, snake delivering one of the greatest posts ever, the member coming back and saying his religion is better cause it's older (confirming my god Ra must be more real as he's older), then Joel bringing the fire and brimstone by questioning the next Nobel prize winners credentials. Really hope the jets keep losing. Carry on
God wears brown adidas shirts IMO.
Dear God,
I won't believe in heaven or hell
No saints, no sinners, no devil as well
No pearly gates, no thorny crown
You're always letting us humans down
The wars you bring, the babes you drown
Those lost at sea and never found
And it's the same the whole world 'round
The hurt I see helps to compound
The Father, Son and Holy Ghost
Is just somebody's unholy hoax
And if you're up there you'll perceive
That my heart's here upon my sleeve
If there's one thing I don't believe in
It's you
[Andy Partridge]
Only one verse truely matters in the bible.
Love your neighbour.
Or the qur'an equivalent
Do good by... The neighbour who is a stranger.
But more of this and it would be a better place to live.
Hippies.
Except of course if they are police officers right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
Got to love the hypocrisy practiced by the lefty atheists.
Quite happy to feel free to attack Christians whenever they like as Christians will disagree with them but allow them their opinion
Unwilling though to treat Muslims the same way despite Islam having a pretty clear view on where it stands with atheists ie death.
Same leftists nuts actually go out of their way to defend those who practice the Islamic faith at every turn despite what the Islamic faith has in store for atheists yet for some reason feel the need to constantly slag and ridicule the Christian faith yet the Christian Faith allows them the freedom to express their views and Christians are not interested in wiping them off the face of the world for holding an alternate view. Go ****ing figure
Rather bizarre that they feel the need to attack others beliefs because they hold an alternate view when personal choice and freedom to enjoy personal choice is such a big thing on their leftist agenda
Also I take it all you ****s are going to work next Thursday too and not observing JC's Birthday or once again does your hypocrisy not quite extend that far??
i have just as much respect for islam as christianity. i.e, none
go science! thanks for giving us quantum mechanics. without your awe-inspiring predictions and beauty, we couldn't be having this conversation right now.
mkfs do u do this m8?Quote:
Originally Posted by snake
how's the efficacy? :rof:
Learn a bit more about the Islam denominations before you swipe with such a broad brush.
Different denominations of the faith interpret and realise their text in different ways, just like Christians around the world.
The media tend to only present one side of this multi-faceted faith. And governments around the world are quick to play on, and overhype, the fear angle in order to introduce security measures designed to control the local populations.
The Christian faith is not without it's fair share of violence and intolerant killings throughout it's history too.
Islam's "pretty clear" view on atheism isn't as clear, or as practised, by the wider Islamic followers and rupert Murdoch and western political leaders are happy for us to believe.
Sensible question re "marriage" - did it exist BC, was there a ceremony for the union.
If so, was it religious or ceremonial or was it just life time "mating"?
Curious.
a very sensible questionQuote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
joseph was married to mary
noah had a wife
none of these people were christian, ergo marriage is a practice adopted by christianity, rather than a christian practice
I will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
http://25.media.tumblr.com/bf1af9c97...g1kfo1_400.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by q-money
but was it called 'marriage' back then, hence the debate about who owns the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by snake
wait? was Jesus the first Christian or was the religion around before that?
i am both learning lots and getting more confused all at the same time here.
To be fair, the government deems it illegal for me to operate my business on Chrissy day therefore im forced to have it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
back in the day i played golf every Christmas day and avoided family at all costs so i dont think im one to 'celebrate' it.
nowadays though with Plague Jnr CHRISTMAS RULES LETS BUILD MORE LEGO.
Each to their own. Use the message from The Bible, The Tipitaka or whatever, to guide you to be a better person. But, sometimes, i think people take it too literally. Times have changed, the world has developed, the same 'following things blindly' approach doesn't work for everything.
If your diety, or God, is all forgiving, loves everyone etc, why does it matter? Will God not forgive some people, but forgive others?
Do people in jail who have killed/raped, that 'discover God' in jail, still go to Heaven?
Do people that don't follow a particular denomination, that go about their life respecting others and serving communities and being good people, get turned away for not believing?
If you rock up at the Pearly gates, having not believed, and God is there with his list, checking people off, denies you entry. Does God forgive the one sin, "not believing" and let you in?
Jim Jefferies take on Gay Marriage, is rather funny.
http://vimeo.com/99620602
Agree about Quantum Mechanics. And it pretty much placed the dividing line between science and religion once and for all. The Christians could no longer argue about intelligent design and a deterministic universe given the existence of a universal constant with a non-zero value [Plancks Constant]Quote:
Originally Posted by snake
Without the Arab scholars much of our histories would have been lost throughout the dark ages and as such many of the building blocks upon which modern science and methodology were built upon.
They also made solid contributions to physics, astronomy, biology, universal healthcare, and mathematics.
As such, Islamic scholars were so highly regarded up until the end of the golden age that they were very well paid for their efforts.
Compare this to Christianity which blatantly opposes science and has absolutely no respect for evidenced based research.
The problen for the Islamic world is that they peaked a very long time ago and beyond the last of the golden age scholars it could be argued that not only was there little if any progress - they may have even regressed.
I do have the answer to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
The ceremonial aspect of marriage came into vogue in the 1100's according to some web page I viewed last night.
Marriage still existed prior to this obviously but we did not have the ceremony part involved in the equation
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Originally Posted by GazFish35
I am a little occupied at present to reply to this and do it justice.
I will reply though when later today when I have the time
This does it for me. I don't think you can be totally opposed to something "because the bible says so", yet let other things slip under the cracks.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
http://www.11points.com/Books/11_Thi..._You_Do_Anyway
Included in this are:
-Shellfish, good thing we don't eat prawns at Christmas.
- Playing with pig skin, it's ok now, but football was pretty much kicking around a pig skin with air.
- No polyester clothing
- No tattoos
- Shaving a beard, or cutting hair from your temple.
is this the equilivant of the modern day PR stunt to announce a forth coiming announcement about a project that will be investigated as a possible future announcment.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
a bit lilke this?
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile..._5495148_n.jpg
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Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Shoots down the argument straight away from another lefty aethist who wishes to take a pot shot at Christianity with selective materialQuote:
I know that nine of these 11 cite the Old Testament, which Christianity doesn't necessarily adhere to as law.
Can't say I have read this edition but would not be surprised if it had references to John Wayne and Clint Eastwood being how the Yanks like to jazz shit upQuote:
New American Standard Bible
No I just don't have the time to get long winded with you at present!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
I see it as a real shame that many people think that Christianity and science are polar opposites. There are many Christians who are unfortunately like that but there are so many that accept both and understand the compatibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Science can explain the how but not the why.
Personally I see them as complementary with science explaining how God's creation operates.
See this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJMp6p3tLj4) from Professor of Mathematics at Oxford who discusses the compatibility of science and God
There are also many of the so-called formative scientists who were Christians or believed in God (http://www.godandscience.org/apologe...encefaith.html)
the word marriage is referenced in Genesis which is the first book of the bible. Of course it is a translation and would look different to modern marriage but it as a concept has been around in BC. I don't know it was a ceremony but it was always between a man and womanQuote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
why devalue the scientific process by having an overarching, unseen and unprovable force being the explanation for everything?