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Originally Posted by OmeletteDuFromage
Something some of you numpties need to accept.
Time to find the stability and patience
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Bang onQuote:
Originally Posted by OmeletteDuFromage
Something some of you numpties need to accept.
Time to find the stability and patience
So why not miller last year who at least seemed to be taking us forward?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
You want a coach that quality players seek not a coach who seeks quality players with little to no chance of ever signing them.
You won't get any stability at the club until the team starts winning and that's not going to happen until everyone from the CEO down is gone - possibly even the owner.
I think Jones won't last as a coach no matter what happens this off-season. He doesn't have the acumen or the demeanour to coach at this level yet. But sacking him now doesn't fix anything.
The Club needs to find an identity. Right now the only thing the players, coaches, rest of the league and everyone who watches us play imagines when they hear 'Newcastle Jets' is Wooden Spoon and Spineless.
The member and all those saying this team is rubbish are kidding themselves. If these players played to their potential we would make the finals easy. The fact that they aren't playing well is both the players fault and the coaching staff.
Those who think sacking Jones will fix our problem are also kidding themselves. We may as well keep him around until we have a plan in place, that way we can keep motoring on as shit club rather than being a basket case club again with no coach, players not getting paid and players being resigned without any thought process. Which wasn't that long ago.
My main takeaway from this season has been that we suck as bad as I expected we would and that McKinna better have just been a caretaker CEO. Get a decent CEO at the top and then work our way down.
Missing out on finals football again is a sign of stability isn't it? Is it 7 years now?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Or do you just mean that Jones is pretty stocky bloke and looks like he could withstand a light shove with losing his balance?
Personally I was less than impressed with the decision to relieve Miller of his roleQuote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
Not because of me liking Miller which I didn't but because we once again had shot ourselves in the foot stability wise.
But that wasn't my doing that was Millers fault for being an arrogant enough **** with diplomacy skills lacking and not knowing how important face is to Asian males
But let's all worship the bloke who actually did **** our season up by signing these blokes then getting the arse due to his arrogance
I didn't expect us to make the finals this season with the squad we had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
You can jazz it up all you like but name me one of them that would be in the top 5 players at a rival club bar the Gypos??
We be lucky to have a player get in a rivals starting side
You and Parkesy need to stop smoking the wacky weed that blokes like Nabbout Hoole Nordstrand Brown Poljak Boogaard are at the elite level in the HAL
Because they ****ing aint
Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
What is this shite? Elite players in the HAL? Name me 1?
The HAL is a mediocre competition for mediocre footballers. There are enough players on our squad to compete, the proof of which is in the fact that we have won games this year. Therefore your argument that the squad can't win is wrong.
I am not heaping praise on this team, merely stating that they are good enough to win games if they played to their potential. I am also definitely not saying that they have been playing anywhere near their potential for the last month or so.
But... Jones is a hack, surely you know this. Name me any squad that would take him as a head coach?
But he isn't the only reason we are a rubbish club.
CastroQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Rojas
Berisha
There is 3 of them at the elite end of talent in the HAL
Now you tell me how far behind them in ability any one of our players is
You can pick any of the Jets you like
Also all clubs are good enough to win games if they play to their potential
So your point is irrelevant
If all clubs played to their potential we still don't make the finals as we don't have a side potential wise in the top 6 in the league
It's the lack of consistency and not being able to cope when things aren't going their way which makes the Jets a lost cause.
I name you 3 who are not: georgievski, benkhalfala and o'donovan.....:lulzturtle:Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
And those 3 are far superior to the shit at the club now.Quote:
Originally Posted by lquiquer
2 of them are ****s too.
Jones is sh*t. Anyone he signs for next season will be sh*t. Jets will always be sh*t.
I agree with need to stick by a manager. But some of you are calling for a manager that picks Kanta to start and Mullen at RB to stay. All i can say is GTFO with that bullshit
Yet you say that like we leaving Pogba out to accomodate Kanta and that Dani Alves is being over loiked in favour of MullenQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Hey Mullen aint any good and neither is Kanta but it aint like our options are much better
Poljak??
Brown??
Your having a laugh if they infinitely superior to Kanta
Hoffman ??
Cowburn ??
Not exactly infinitely superior than Mullen at RB
Both the Hoff and Cowburn are miles better at RB then Mullen this has been proven this season and last seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Poijak and Stevie Ug are both better then Kanta at DM once again proven this season and last season.
Are these players quality **** no but their better then Mullen and Kanta but hey you continue jacking off to Jones Member and dont come crying to us when he is sacked either end of this season or early next season
We can't pick and choose when we blame only the players or only the coach. It's a team sport and we win and lose as a team.
If the players aren't performing to their ability, isn't it Jones' job to motivate them or change the tactics in response? The players need to also look at themselves after the last few weeks.
If the club have already told players they aren't going to be around next year (as someone suggested that's how they looked) while we were challenging and still in contention for the finals then that's a serious under estimating the motivation of a footballer.
Our season has imploded. Nothing short of embarassing. All the goodwill that had been created following the Tinkler demise has erroded and next season people are going to respond by attacking the club where it hurts the most - by voting with their feet and not attending games and becoming members.
Yeah but he dropped those blokes for Mullen and Kanta when they were out of form. You're always going on about how we play players out of form. You can't have it both ways. You get up him for playing bad players but who is he meant to play? There aren't many good onesQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Hoff wasnt doing too bad neither was Cowburn and Poijak and the players he dropped them for played far worse then the players he dropped.Quote:
Originally Posted by monz6
Do you think the catalyst of the downfall coincide with the club taking the offer to Hoole off the table?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
I think there's a few factors.Quote:
Originally Posted by lquiquer
Hoole's form certainly dropped after that happened. He should have been tearing Parkhouse a new one yesterday to the point the bloke should have been scared to gove over halfway. Didn't happen.
Maybe the increased attention on Nabbout has been detrimental.
The pursuit of O'Donovan, the Chile deal, the knowledge a Chinese player will be on board and a Kokko and Brown being signed for next year can't have Poljak and Nordstrand feeling particularly secure. Nordstrand walked around and didn't press because he knows he's done here.
Ugarkovic looks lost since Poljak has been benched - a decison that has me dumbfounded because we look much better when he plays.
Cowburn and Vujica can't be feeling secure because of Georgevski's possible arrival.
The links with Thwaite probably has Mullen look around...not to mention the fact the bloke isn't a right back.
Hoffman has been hooked from RB to try and fill the LB spot as we have no left back of note so it ain't like he being overlooked completelyQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Cowburn has done **** all all season long and had his chance at RB when Vujica done his hammy and choked
Poljak last he played was v Gypos
We were not in control of the game whilst he out there Kanta came on and we got control. We didn't win as the blokes up front don't have the ability to take advantage
You once again dribbling with your bias.
We all know you don't rate Mullen
You want some good news neither does Jones. He won't play him at CB and even tried to put Johnny K there yesterday to avoid playing Mullen
Unfortunately Johnny K was having a mare and got hooked at HT
Reading between the lines I backing Mullen on his way in a few weeks
Jones doesnt rate Mullen? so plays him at RB for weeks even after Vujica is fit again and you say Cowburn done nothing but he obviously did enough to get into a young socceroos camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Jones clueless using his subs bench. His ability to pick players out of position is outstanding.
Looking at the way the players have performed over the last 6 weeks has me wondering if Jones has lost the dressing room
Jones has lost the dressing room, no doubt about it.
So you either give him another year allowing him to reshuffle the entire/majority of players bring in guys who he thinks wants to play for him or sack him and sign another coach who can come in and perhaps work with whoever will be playing here next season.
With that being said I have seen a few posts here who have said we have played better in possession under Jones than we have under Miller. As someone who watches a lot of training sessions I can say this, the passing structure drills that Jones has implemented arent something new, these were/are the same drills that Miller did in preseason, which leads me to believe under Miller we would have been a possession based team rather than counter attacking. The passing drill is the same the pattern of passing is also the same, in fact Jones more often than not doesnt really even take this drill he lets Clayton Zane run it. He will only step in if someone makes a mistake.
Jones has implemented a lot more small sided games into training than compared to Miller, hence why I think we are fitter team than we were under scott miller. However there seems to be less shape work or even tactical walk throughs.
Now if you give him a season you have to think a) does he have the pull to sign players b) can he make finals with a full preseason with the players he wants c) if he goes who replaces him
players played like the last thing said prior to walking out was "youre all sacked next year"
Based on majority of the season so they should beQuote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
Problem is, everyone saying "give him his own players" are assuming he'll be able to bring in 'his' players.
Based on a salary cap, and the position the club is in, who are 'his' players and what makes you think they'll want to be part of this club?
Because if anyone thinks Georgevski, Thwaite etc are a massive step up then please explain, and let me know how we deal with the rest of the squad.
Then Jones has to coach these players and play people in correct positions and play to players strengthsQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
Yep. Plus he signed Johnny K, he resigned Jackson & Brown, tabled an offer to Hoole and wanted to resign Mullen. This might as well be his ****ing team.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Correct.
So from an owner/CEO point of view they are asking what's best:
1. Replace the 10-15 players who seem to be the problem
Or
2. Replace the coach.
I doubt lawrie would want his mate sacked. There is obviously lots of disrest amongst the squad and some of jones's media comments theoughout the year wouldnt have helped the harmony in the dressing sheds. We need a coach who can bring in the players this club needs. It is this off season when we finally see Lee and his ambitions for the club!Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
Hopefully they are mentally strong players determined to bust their arse for their fans every weekQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
The last few weeks has shown us how bad the current crop are.
Where the **** was the leadership from the playing group yesterday??
Boogaard Brown Nordstrand Kokko Hoffman have played enough senior level football and the rest of them Johnny K aside are nit 10 game rookies either
Looking forwaed to Jones bringing in some steel and some ****s to have a ****ing go.
FixedQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
Also when have we ever seen players sacked before a coach. If Jones is sacked, Id have a big meeting with all the players to find out what made them down tools and also inform them that if it happens again they will face serious punishments from either Mr Lee or his management team
If you replace the coach you still need to replace the shit players so the simple solution is to get the coach to raise the required standard for getting a contract at the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
God, can't wait till we get a team full of LET'S HAVE A GO, **** players. Proper Newy. **** winning, just kick the shit out of people and bleed for the shirt.
Look at Chelsea our players downed tools under Jose, Conte comes in basically same squad and where performing at top level again (Yes I know jets players arn't of that quality). We need a coach who has high standards enough that any lack of effort or performances not meeting first team standard will result in time on the sidelines not playing or starting next week. Do you think Arnold keeps picking players who under perform or accepts lack of effort? That is the standard we need to strive for. Id 100% have Lord Griff more involved around the first team to help install his win at all costs attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
That is complete shitQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
If you have a team full of talent you may take that stance.
We have a team full of shite.
If they downed tools it probably because someone has told them they are shit and they are 100% correct with this assessment
If Jones gets the arse it wont change the reality that these blokes are not HAL standard so why you want to have a meeting with them because you shouldnt be keeping them anyway??
Some of these players are HAL standard though not top level but at least Middle standard. Stevie U under miller looked real class last year. Chuck him in one of the top teams and he'd kill it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Boogard and Poijak are average HAL players. Hell Poijak has won a minor premiership at WSFC. They performed at other clubs and Performed most of the time under Miller so what has changed?? answer is Jones.
Look at last year when we were out of finals contention we didnt give up, Players keep playing and we ended up flogging the gypos. I was warming up to Jones and then he was found at and we've imploded. Obviously stuff has happened behind the scenes and that's both parties faults. But when your playing players out of position and bringing on defenders when the team is losing (Yes i realise Miller did this a swell. But he stopped that once he found some decent signings in January which if i recall Jones and Co couldnt find anyone to sign and we had more resources this season) and not changing things up that Arn't working you cant actually expect to keep your job.
Maybe if Jones had the luxury he could do that but until he signs some players it abit hard for him to replace players not performing when he doesnt have quality options.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Poljak dont perform and he left pickung Kanta or Brown
Kokko doesnt perform and we left to try putting who up front???
No depth
No quality
Until you actually let the bloke make a few signings which neither Lee or McKinna have provided him how the **** can you talk about his standards
So far he has to use the current squad and has been backed by Ledman to sign SA state league players
Maybe Jones has actually called these blokes on their effort performance etc as he has higher standards he wants than they are delivering and that why they playing the way they are