Only problem with that self proclaimed Oracle is this competition doesn't have a grand finalQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Beautiful 2.0
Your knowledge is truly unquestionable Mr Farnham.
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Only problem with that self proclaimed Oracle is this competition doesn't have a grand finalQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Beautiful 2.0
Your knowledge is truly unquestionable Mr Farnham.
They had to have application underway and ground work in place at season start. They were probably best situated to do this with the junior club of 700 plus players and an appetite between the juniors and seniors club. The federation could see that it?s very achievableQuote:
Originally Posted by northern_swan
I will be interested to see how future clubs that may get promoted such as Croatia, Suns, Uni etc that don?t have juniors go about it. Will the federation just accept a club saying they will have PYL the following season from scratch?
Is it realistic to think a club could actually set up a PYL program from scratch in a year with zero junior base.
Croatia look the most likely to come up and I think most people would agree the federation might be reluctant to accept an application from a club without a proper home ground yet. If that?s the case in the short term I think it?s tough on the club to be forced up but then can only go as high as 5th. They have been back for what 4yrs realistically they are still establishing the club to ensure it?s here for the long run in senior football then to expect them to in the space of a year set up a premier youth program is really a big undertaking.
I think all teams promoted from ZL1 to NL1 should have a 2 or 3 year window where they have time to get PYL in place but in those years if they make finals they can play in them.
The federation want the best teams in these top 2 comps of senior men?s football but then have the caveat of needing jnrs to play finals. In 5 years time there may be 5 teams in a comp eligible for finals. That would be a bad look.
I?d be interested other peoples thoughts cause with Dudley safe it means an NL1 team from last year is getting relegated so all of a sudden after 1 year or promotion and relegation this comp has 2 teams from ZL1 in it and next year could be another ?established? club relegated for a team with no junior program
I think eventually things will settle in and balance themselves out as teams go and up down, players will move around.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hacker
Let's assume Southy get relegated, and Croatia come up. How many parents will be happy forking out thousands of dollars for the Southy Youth Program to be in 3rd Division (even though it seems to be going quite well). And yes, I know any club can have the Youth Licence next year, but you are silly if you think where First Grade play doesn't come into account for kids and parents when it comes to wanting to play for a club.
Those kids will leave and filter into other NewFM clubs. I would imagine if Croatia announced that next year, they would be having 13s > 18s, they would have NO issue filling those teams.
The easiest way to have a successful Youth Program is to have a successful First Grade - just look at Toronto, they were in danger of folding for several years, could barely fill 2 out of 4 youth team. Then First Grade turn their fortunes around and now they are very established in the younger ages.
I see no reason why Croatia can't do the same - they just need a proper field. Can someone with some knowledge of the Croatian Wickham Sports Club tell me why can't they use any of the fields there? Seems like a pretty obvious solution, must be something standing in their way.
Hit it on the head there. Juniors & seniors announced a merger on their Facebook back in January.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hacker
According to the article link, confirmation of new clubs for boys and girls are due by the end of the month
https://www.northernnswfootball.com....r-competitions
Yeah - the Hamilton Hawks. All the grounds behind the club are rugby fields.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Postman
Correct me if I?m wrong but the reason Beresfield never went up to 2nd division was because of their ground, and I?d say the reason they aren?t around anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by The Postman
I guess we had our first test case of that theory this season with Lakes and I would say that 1st grade dropping down a level hasnt had an effect on their youth program(still doing very well both in youth and JDL).As of next year a quick scan shows Lakes/Southy/New Lambton/Weston/Stags/Kahibah/Rosebuds will have senior programs at a different level to their youth.Over time it might start to trend differently but for now I think kids will stick at their current clubs if they are happy.Its not like the very top clubs at NPL level are bringing through wave after wave of their own juniors either so being at a good youth club guarantees you nothing.The likes of Croatia and Dudley taking on youth is great but its a massive job and getting key people(coaches and recruiters)in early is a huge part of it.No offence to those clubs but thinking kids at that level will just want to play there because of the name is debatable and I think Stags have shown the way forward.Get a good JDL program and bring them through year by year. Stags are at least another season or 2 before even thinking about getting to the 2nd tier in youth but they are trending in the right direction and should be applauded for building something that looks sustainable.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Postman
No.Retention is well under way for next year in youth already and most clubs will have rosters 80% filled by early August.To expect a club to have to start from scratch after that date already has them at a huge disadvantage.It will be an interesting test case when it happens but stopping a team from playing finals because of their youth program(which we went to all of the trouble of decoupling)is wrong in my opinion.Of course we should all be encouraging clubs to run good youth programs but results cannot be dependent on it.there needs to be a better way.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hacker
Remember, PYL and NPL/NL1 are no longer linked. So, its open slather on getting a PYL licence if you can meet the criteria and if NNSW are willing to expand it.
The problem with Dudley getting a youth licence (and there is a strong rumour there will be another from the Hunter Association) is that the PYL will blow out to 25 or 26 teams and NNSWF can't manage 24 effectively with the current format. I reckon they will have to dump the two phase competition. No mid season movement - just three divisions with promotion and relegation. That takes the focus off development and puts it on winning. Not waht NNSW football intended.
Using the example above with Southy... they have a successful youth programme. They don't charge "thousands of dollars" like others. If getting their seniors relgated will have an impact, it will most likely be on the u18s.
The other big issue for clubs wanting to join PYL is the shortage of good qualified coaches. Sure, there are many with a C qualifications, but not all of them can coach well.
Dudley already recruiting. They are actively approaching kids from other PYL clubs.
Anyway, the Kahibah v Dudley match this weekend should be a cracker and with a good charitable cause in the background. Get out there and support it.
Weekend tips
Thornton 3-2 southy
Toronto 4-1 Cessnock
Singo 3-3 lakes
Dudley 1-1 kahibah
Wallsend 1-3 westy
Weekend prediction:
Thornton 1-3 southy
Toronto 5-0 Cessnock
Singleton 3-2 Lakes
Dudley 1-1 Kahibah
Wallsend 2-1 West Wallsend
Thornton 2 Southy 0
Toronto Awaba 3 Cessnock 1
Singleton 1 Lakes 2
Dudley 10 Kahibah 0 ( gee up 1-1 )
Wallsend 2 westy 2
Side note of stags v Cessnock three leading goalscorers in the comp. Special mention of kid from Cessnock to be leading in a struggling team.
Zac Kronholm is a baller, he'd be knocking on the door of some NPL clubs but he's a Cessnock boy through and throughQuote:
Originally Posted by GO AWAY
Thornton 2-3 Southy
Toronto 4-2 Cessnock
Singleton 2-1 Lakes
Dudley 1-4 Kahibah
Wallsend 0-2 West Wallsend
Thornton 3-2 Southy
Toronto 3-1 Cessnock
Singleton 2-2 Lakes
Dudley 3-2 Kahibah
Wallsend 2-2 West Wallsend
That's a major defect in this system. We are seriously struggling to keep 24 competitive youth clubs now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
We cant competently house new youth squads for new clubs stepping up each year even if it is only the same 4 or 5 clubs bouncing up/down so soon.
Maybe as a solution we'll have 3 separate divisions of youth with promotion relegation so then we can add those new clubs to the 3rd division over time thus avoiding floggings from the top 2.
Thornton 3-1 Southy
Toronto 3-0 Cessnock
Singleton 2-1 Lakes
Dudley 2-1 Kahibah
Wallsend 1-2 West Wallsend
Thornton 2-2 Southy
Toronto 3-1 Cessnock
Singleton 2-2 Lakes
Dudley 1-3 Kahibah
Wallsend 1-2 West Wallsend
It's not going to be rubber stamped, they have done all the work and made the submissions already regardless of where they finish. Since they are already approaching players, they must have already been told they meet all the criteria and will have youth teams next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by northern_swan
It's not thousands of dollars, and since the Youth will still be competing in League B it's not really a change. While some may not want to go because of that, we do see many young kids going to Zone teams because it means 1st grade chances, no reason this wouldn't apply to Southy.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Postman
Unless they have applied, and done all the work to meet the criteria, they just can't announce they will be entering. Also they will have issues filling those teams, look at Wallsend, their youth is struggling.Quote:
I would imagine if Croatia announced that next year, they would be having 13s > 18s, they would have NO issue filling those teams.
This is insulting to the number of people at Toronto who did a lot of hard work to develop Toronto JDL and Youth which started (and had to start) before their 1st grade started going well. If those people hadn't done the work then Toronto Youth and JDL would be in a worse spot then it is. It's much more than just having a good 1st grade side and shows an ignorance of the amount of work and time (spanning years) to rebuilt and develop a youth and JDL program.Quote:
The easiest way to have a successful Youth Program is to have a successful First Grade - just look at Toronto, they were in danger of folding for several years, could barely fill 2 out of 4 youth team. Then First Grade turn their fortunes around and now they are very established in the younger ages.