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Originally Posted by The Magician

How much is Jaffas and Adamstown contributing really? Wake up people... NCC is paying for it all and doing the work... Check section 94 (or what ever it is developer contributions) over $200K is allocated to Adamstown Oval nearly every year.... How many Jaffas and Adamstown committee members and volunteers were digging trenches or gluing pipes?...

Magic getting 50% paid from AFC Fund... Still out of pocket over $35K

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How are you out of pocket???

Magic are just investing in their facility that is their ground as they have done for the last 15 years and due to the Asian Cup are getting a government subsidy to pay for part of the costs.

If only the rest of the clubs had the drive magic does our region may be going somewhere in this game.

Who gives a shit if NCC are paying for it at Adamstown /Lambton. People pay rates and clubs pay money to NCC for use of their ovals so NCC ought to put some money back in to upgrade the facilities after all

As for the Lambton 17s, making the finals shouldn't come down to just one game. If CCM deserved to make it, they would've gone better during the other 17+ games.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

How are you out of pocket???

Magic are just investing in their facility that is their ground as they have done for the last 15 years and due to the Asian Cup are getting a government subsidy to pay for part of the costs.

If only the rest of the clubs had the drive magic does our region may be going somewhere in this game.

Who gives a shit if NCC are paying for it at Adamstown /Lambton. People pay rates and clubs pay money to NCC for use of their ovals so NCC ought to put some money back in to upgrade the facilities after all

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Well $35K that could be spent on training gear like portable goals for each grade, upgrades to training facilities, or lighting of the outer-ground, subsidies for gym and recovery sessions for youth players, and or subsidies for preseason away camps and travel...

My point is clubs say they are putting money into their facilities... but its a lie... they don't have too coz NCC foots the bill for every new project or maintenance, but they take the credit... Magic payed 75% of the bill for their lights, and its a regional venue, home of the Jets NYL and W-league teams, AFC training venue, visiting A-League team training venue... How much did Jaffa's and Adamstown pay when their lights were fixed last year? Magic pays council rates too

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Originally Posted by The Magician

Well $35K that could be spent on training gear like portable goals for each grade, upgrades to training facilities, or lighting of the outer-ground, subsidies for gym and recovery sessions for youth players, and or subsidies for preseason away camps and travel...

My point is clubs say they are putting money into their facilities... but its a lie... they don't have too coz NCC foots the bill for every new project or maintenance, but they take the credit... Magic payed 75% of the bill for their lights, and its a regional venue, home of the Jets NYL and W-league teams, AFC training venue, visiting A-League team training venue... How much did Jaffa's and Adamstown pay when their lights were fixed last year? Magic pays council rates too

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Why don't you apply for the council to foot the bill then?

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Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

Why don't you apply for the council to foot the bill then?

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I'm guessing if they waited for NCC to foot the bill they would be no where near where they are today. Seems to me they've worked bloody to get what they have got.

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Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

Why don't you apply for the council to foot the bill then?

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You think they don't... consistent reply is 'no funds available, try again next year, or write to sport and rec.'

So you are basically having a bitch cause your club missed out on a free hand out and other clubs got one??

Them the breaks pal


It ain't like your club is skint either.

Suppose you are in favour of the Australian Government giving James Packer a government hand out to feed and clothe his kids??

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Originally Posted by prawnhead

I'm guessing if they waited for NCC to foot the bill they would be no where near where they are today. Seems to me they've worked bloody to get what they have got.

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I agree. They have, i'm not doubting that. Good on them, they are the benchmark for all clubs in the region. My gripe was The Magician has come in having a dig at everyone for getting these 'council handouts', when there's nothing stopping Magic applying for these funds also.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

So you are basically having a bitch cause your club missed out on a free hand out and other clubs got one??

Them the breaks pal


It ain't like your club is skint either.

Suppose you are in favour of the Australian Government giving James Packer a government hand out to feed and clothe his kids??

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Ok lets put this in perspective... Magic spends $50K on players and has to pay for their own upgrades... but Jaffas spent $120K and get upgrades for free... Nah... thats James Packer-esque... Suppose you are in favour of that? Skint or not, NCC if this is what they are allocating/budgeting for first division facilities, divide the budget by how many clubs represent NCC in the competition.

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Originally Posted by The Magician

Ok lets put this in perspective... Magic spends $50K on players and has to pay for their own upgrades... but Jaffas spent $120K and get upgrades for free... Nah... thats James Packer-esque... Suppose you are in favour of that? Skint or not, NCC if this is what they are allocating/budgeting for first division facilities, divide the budget by how many clubs represent NCC in the competition.

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Care to list your sauces for that figure for Jaffas?

And it's Magics own damn fault. They own Wanderers, NCC doesn't. NCC does own ATown and Edden, hence they get NCC money spent on them. Quite simple.

So its all about a rival club getting a handout and as the club is having a bit of success you are concerned they may overtake your club in the future ??

Don't choke on your grapes as the sour taste reaches your tastebuds.

FFS I am happy when our sport gets any ****ing handout from government agencies. Better we get it than the dog molesters etc

But your only happy if it don't go to a rival team??

FFS thats small time thinking there

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Originally Posted by MFKS

So its all about a rival club getting a handout and as the club is having a bit of success you are concerned they may overtake your club in the future ??

Don't choke on your grapes as the sour taste reaches your tastebuds.

FFS I am happy when our sport gets any ****ing handout from government agencies. Better we get it than the dog molesters etc

But your only happy if it don't go to a rival team??

FFS thats small time thinking there

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Lol... totally agree... Football is way down in the hand-out pecking order behind egg-ball 1 & 2 and rednut cricket... No sour grapes here... Magic are proud to put back into their facility... in a week or so work will start on a new $25K training facility... self-funded. So Magic before the year is out will have spent over $55K at Magic Park... HOW GOOD IS THAT!!!

if your read my original post... my issue isn't with clubs getting handouts... its clubs saying 'THEY' have spent X amount of dollars on their facility when they haven't, its been sponsored by NCC.

NCC don't do anything without the clubs putting up half the money.
Adamstown had a bill from NCC for use of council ovals of 30k last year.

So like most things it is a case of swings and roundabouts - council owns it, you pay to use it. Magic lease it, so don't have to pay council, but don't get anything from them either.

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Originally Posted by late_to_the_game

NCC don't do anything without the clubs putting up half the money.
Adamstown had a bill from NCC for use of council ovals of 30k last year.

So like most things it is a case of swings and roundabouts - council owns it, you pay to use it. Magic lease it, so don't have to pay council, but don't get anything from them either.

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I'd be interested to know where you get a 30k figure from for Adamstown? To the best of my knowkledge you could book Adamstown for every single minute of the day and week and year and not come anywhere near that figure of usage rates.

As for leasing any gov facility or ground the gov still own it including any improvements made to the facility, and which from my understanding ncc have contributed nothing to that swamp ground that is now magic park. So even though the ground is leased there is no reason ncc cannot also make improvements to magic park.

I understand what the magician is trying to say when he says that other clubs claim they have spent money on facilities when it is clearly council spending the money. Probably a matter of being honest about what you actually contribute to your respective facilities. It can also be seen to be unfair that some clubs continually have their improvements made for them and others have to spend there hard earned cash on the same thing. It is a good thing that magic don't wait for a hand out as it seems they are few and far between.

I thing Olympic had water tanks put only a couple months ago fully funded by ncc. Edgeworth paid for the new grandstand out of there own pockets and most improvements there are not funded by lmcc so good on them. I have spoken to numerous Jaffas people and can confirm that contrary to the propaganda they put out all the time the vast majority of improvements on that facility have been paid for and done by council. There are very few club members who get dirt under there nails to improve facilities for their clubs.

Where exactly are other clubs claiming they spent money on facilities when the council paid for it??

Also the Magicians gripe started firstly as a whinge cause 2 other NPL clubs were getting council money to improve their ground and Magic were having to cough up 35k or something for work done in time for the Asian Cup.

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Originally Posted by terryk

There are very few club members who get dirt under there nails to improve facilities for their clubs.

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Times like this you should give blokes like FR credit for their stellar work instead of keeping the anonymity thing going
FR >> Well Done :sup:

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Where exactly are other clubs claiming they spent money on facilities when the council paid for it??

Also the Magicians gripe started firstly as a whinge cause 2 other NPL clubs were getting council money to improve their ground and Magic were having to cough up 35k or something for work done in time for the Asian Cup.


Times like this you should give blokes like FR credit for their stellar work instead of keeping the anonymity thing going
FR >> Well Done :sup:

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Do you not think the gripe is warranted? He is not saying other clubs should not get funding, he is saying that it appears that some clubs seem to get a lot for putting very little in. I think his point is right.

Well magic park is still a ncc ground and no matter what magic do they will have no ownership over it. All the lease allows them to do is lock in their tenancy of the venue for an extended period of time. Ncc still have the ability to schedule games and events at the ground. Council have keys to the facility and can enter and leave and conduct works as they please. It's not real to say magic own the ground. Let's compare this to Arthur Eden, where the Jaffas have primary occupancy of the facility and do as they please. So what's the difference? Council don't go booking other games or events at Arthur Eden. No difference. YET magic obviously work hard to raise funds to be a viable club yet their burden is so much greater than other clubs. This is not the fault of other clubs and we should be grateful for every single dolled our code gets considering the millions ncc spent on other codes venues like say number 2.

While some would consider magic a glamour club and they have been successful and they obviously have worked extremely hard to get where they are, this should not stop us rallying behind them as they too deserve council and government funds to further improve their venue. Let's not forget that every dollar they or any other club spends on their facility is a dollar that can't be spent on development or coaching or gear... And yes it does seem to be inherently unfair that they need to raise their own funds to put in lights and drainage and basically build their whole facility out of a swamp and yet other clubs wait on hand outs. Only my point of view. Not knocking other clubs but it does seem that when you spend a couple grand on soil for drainage or training facility some immediately think they have made a major contribution yet think about the hundreds of thousands if not more this club has put in from their own pockets and that of the magic community.

I dont agree with fr on a lot of issues but he is committed to his club and therefore that's a great thing. More passionate people will make our game better. So for every club that makes the effort great.

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Originally Posted by terryk

I'd be interested to know where you get a 30k figure from for Adamstown? To the best of my knowkledge you could book Adamstown for every single minute of the day and week and year and not come anywhere near that figure of usage rates.

As for leasing any gov facility or ground the gov still own it including any improvements made to the facility, and which from my understanding ncc have contributed nothing to that swamp ground that is now magic park. So even though the ground is leased there is no reason ncc cannot also make improvements to magic park.

I understand what the magician is trying to say when he says that other clubs claim they have spent money on facilities when it is clearly council spending the money. Probably a matter of being honest about what you actually contribute to your respective facilities. It can also be seen to be unfair that some clubs continually have their improvements made for them and others have to spend there hard earned cash on the same thing. It is a good thing that magic don't wait for a hand out as it seems they are few and far between.

I thing Olympic had water tanks put only a couple months ago fully funded by ncc. Edgeworth paid for the new grandstand out of there own pockets and most improvements there are not funded by lmcc so good on them. I have spoken to numerous Jaffas people and can confirm that contrary to the propaganda they put out all the time the vast majority of improvements on that facility have been paid for and done by council. There are very few club members who get dirt under there nails to improve facilities for their clubs.

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Originally Posted by terryk

Do you not think the gripe is warranted? He is not saying other clubs should not get funding, he is saying that it appears that some clubs seem to get a lot for putting very little in. I think his point is right.

Well magic park is still a ncc ground and no matter what magic do they will have no ownership over it. All the lease allows them to do is lock in their tenancy of the venue for an extended period of time. Ncc still have the ability to schedule games and events at the ground. Council have keys to the facility and can enter and leave and conduct works as they please. It's not real to say magic own the ground. Let's compare this to Arthur Eden, where the Jaffas have primary occupancy of the facility and do as they please. So what's the difference? Council don't go booking other games or events at Arthur Eden. No difference. YET magic obviously work hard to raise funds to be a viable club yet their burden is so much greater than other clubs. This is not the fault of other clubs and we should be grateful for every single dolled our code gets considering the millions ncc spent on other codes venues like say number 2.

While some would consider magic a glamour club and they have been successful and they obviously have worked extremely hard to get where they are, this should not stop us rallying behind them as they too deserve council and government funds to further improve their venue. Let's not forget that every dollar they or any other club spends on their facility is a dollar that can't be spent on development or coaching or gear... And yes it does seem to be inherently unfair that they need to raise their own funds to put in lights and drainage and basically build their whole facility out of a swamp and yet other clubs wait on hand outs. Only my point of view. Not knocking other clubs but it does seem that when you spend a couple grand on soil for drainage or training facility some immediately think they have made a major contribution yet think about the hundreds of thousands if not more this club has put in from their own pockets and that of the magic community.

I dont agree with fr on a lot of issues but he is committed to his club and therefore that's a great thing. More passionate people will make our game better. So for every club that makes the effort great.

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So you are claiming government funding should be in accordance now with how much effort is actually put in???

To me this little issue is very akin to the actual game of football. Sometimes you bust your arse and get nothing to show for it at Fulltime despite deserving more. Other times you get 3 points completely against the run of play.

It also ain't like Magic are not in a GOOD position to apply for government funding. Playing NYL/W League Jets pre season and FFA Cup games there assist there cause for receiving handouts. Maybe the issue lies in Magic's inability to convince the powers of the needs for funding???

We all are aware how much shit Magic cop for the money made on GF day and lets not forget if the shoe was on the other foot and they got a handout and no one else did everyone would be blowing up deluxe.

The petty gripes though from Magician though seem a case of sour grapes that Jaffas/Rosebuds got money and his club got nothing and no more

All this talk of funds/not enough funds just makes me wonder about the use of $11 million to build NNSWF facility at Speers Point..........given that only a handful of "elite" players are going to be able to use the majority of the facility we need to ask what if some of that money was distributed amongst the clubs. Imagine if each NPL club was given say $500k ( still only $6mil to all NPL licence clubs ) to spend on upgrade to their facility, drainage, sheds etc. Then it is possible that NNSWF might have say 10 excellent facilities available for them. Then many players could benefit.

I know...............stupid thinkin................best NNSWF keep it all for them............they do such a good job..........................

Have council ever booked a game or team onto Magic park?

The Emerging Jets, Adamstown Juniors (WPL) and school teams certainly get access to Adamstown, often without the club knowing.

Adamstown has to book and pay for #1 Monday -Thursday even though they don't use it, otherwise council have threatened to let others book it.
So in winter that also means paying $ 2.50 per light per hour, wether they are on or not and there are a lot of lights....

I am not knocking Magic, I really admire what they have done/ are doing but to assume everyone else is getting stuff for free is just plain wrong.

As I said previously pros and cons for either model.

P.s. I would be very supprised if council put up the 40k for Hamiltons irrigation system which was installed by contractors, not council. Also Jim (persident) was down there every day during the install getting dirt under his fingernails. He even repaired one of the contractors machines for them.