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I wouldn't be holding your breathe on ffa... This was tweeted out during the game
Sadly i have to agree with thisQuote:
Friday’s announcement that some Jets creditors had been paid, having waited impatiently for long-overdue liabilities to be settled, was hardly a cause for celebration.
Rather, it was a case of too little, too late. Even if the one-time billionaire was to start paying his bills in a timely fashion, thereby avoiding the type of publicity for which he has become notorious, what evidence is there that he has the faintest idea how to turn the Jets around after five seasons of mediocrity?
His track record speaks for itself.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/28...l-jets/?cs=305
Gee whizQuote:
THE dispute between David Carney and the Newcastle Jets over the club’s attempt to sack the former Socceroo is set to come to a head.
Professional Footballers Australia players union has filed a grievance against the Jets on Carney’s behalf and is awaiting instruction from the National Dispute Resolution Chamber.
Carney, who is understood to be on $230,000 a season, is one of five players alongside captain Kew Jaliens, vice captain Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi the Jets moved to cull after a failed player push against coach Phil Stubbins.
The other four, who are off contract, are awaiting revised termination offers.
After initially offering to pay out the final 18 months of Carney’s contract, the Jets moved to sack him with no payout over three alleged breach notices.
Carney has accepted two of the breaches but has rejected the third, which is understood to involve a conversation he had with owner Nathan Tinkler.
The Jets will be formally notified of the grievance and, if they proceed, the matter will be heard by an independent arbitrator.
The first step in that process is a directions hearing, which sets parameters and tables a timeframe for formal submissions.
A PFA spokesman said he expected the issue to be finalised in ‘‘weeks not months’’.
‘‘This is David’s playing career. We want to get through it as quickly as possible,’’ the spokesman said.
With the approval of the PFA, the five exiled players have returned to Jets training but are working apart from the main group.
After rejecting the initial offers due to a lack of protection of player entitlements, including superannuation, the PFA have been waiting more than a week for revised documents.
Tinkler said in a Sydney newspaper report last week that the unwanted players ‘‘are getting what is entitled to them in full’’, but he would not pay them before they sign their termination agreements.
‘‘Everything is there, including superannuation,’’ he said.
‘‘All they have to do is sign the mutual termination with the agreed amount on it and they will be paid. But they want me to pay them first before they sign and that’s not going to happen.
‘‘They are terminated from the club and that’s it. I don’t know why they are hanging around because they made it clear it was an environment they wanted to change and not be a part of.’’
A PFA spokesman responded: ‘‘They have not had an offer that is at a level they are willing to consider.’’
Issued a show cause notice by Football Federation Australia eight days ago over mounting debts and operational issues, Tinkler paid about $500,000 to a series of creditors on Friday.
He also indicated a further $400,000 debt relating to unpaid superannuation for players and staff would be met this week.
If the players agree to mutually terminate, they will become free agents.
Most A-League clubs have full playing rosters.
However, there could be opportunities elsewhere in Asia, with some leagues starting in the next two months.
The Jets cannot sign replacements until the five players have officially departed, and this is affecting training.
With Allan Welsh and Travis Cooper rested after playing youth league on Sunday, they had 12 outfield players at training on Monday.
Value for Money there
Highest assists for us this season. Arguably our best player so far too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
correct. many would argue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Been decent going forward, questionable work rate in defence.
still, if his third breach was "a converstaion with tinkler" he's rating just went up in my book.
230k is massive overs no matter what he delivers. We knocked back Smeltz in his prime when he wanted that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
180k would have been a more realistic contract.
And the guy openly breaches his contract twice ffs. SFC scumbag
230k is not as high as some think.
Ryan Griff was on 200-250k plus a goal bonus.
NTS after SFC came sniffing was on 250k.
Most visa players in the league are on 200-300k, if not on marquee status.
200-250k for a returning Socceroo is quite reasonable IMO.
The common denominator there is the Jets paying overs. 230k is the sort of coin you splash on a goal scoring No 9 or 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
I don't begrudge Carney or any player for getting that contract when we are stupid enough to pay it. It's his behaviour afterwards that is disgusting.
[edit]. And he wasn't a returning Socceroo. Carney hadn't played for anyone in quite sometime before signing originally with the Jets. We threw him a career lifeline.
I have never been convinced that Middleby had done anything really to warrant the criticism but wasting salary cap like this is certainly worthy
For 230k we do need to be getting a bit more value from who ever it may be Goals Goals Goals Piles of assists and dominant performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
Carney was just the best of a bad bunch and I would only rate his impact at 6/7 out of ten. Need to be getting much better value out of our big money players
Leading our assists and some games being one of the only players showing any remote promise (remember that point we got in Parramatta - him and Flroes were the only two that even showed up that day!). I fail to see how he wasn't considered value for money as one of our highest earners tbh.
. What other club would be earn anywhere near that? Not SFC we know for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
It's all subjective yes but to me David Carney earning 230k is symptomatic as to why this club is running 2nd last. Our top earners are so far behind the rest of the league.
All of our players are so far behind the rest of the league.....Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
Sydney FC were rumoured to be offering 300k for him!Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
Particularly because the salary cap is paid for by the TV deal, clubs don't have as much of a care about the salary cap and exactly who is on what as they used to. In the sense that if a club needs a LM/LB, and has 300k or so free, they'd have no issues paying what is potentially overs to get the man.
It's all about supply and demand. It's hard to just pluck a capable LM out of obscurity, as seen by the failed imports the league has ever year. If a club needs a LM, and has spare salary cap space, they'd have no issues using it up.
Nah, that's garbage. We are so far behind the rest of the league because our coaching staff is not up to scratch AND the shit players in our team are far, far, far behind other teams shit players. If anyone can honestly say that Gallagher or Welsh would get a look in at ANY team in the league, you're having a laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
But the coaching issue is still our biggest problem.
Biraz
Neville - Jaliens - Madaschi - Carney
Kanta Flores Celeski
Hoole Griff Steele
Throw in Montano, Jeronimo, Pepper, Caravan, Regan... that's what our squad was. There is no way that team finishes dead last with a decent coach at the helm.
Most important part of your claimQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
You are living in fantasy land if you think any of our top 5 players would be even close to the top 5 of other clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
And where did I say anything about the rest of the squad and coach being any good?
The proof is there for to see. SFC nor any other clubs wants Carney for the crazy money that we are paying him.
Hard to say that as true.Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
Until his situation at the Jets is sorted he ain't signing for anyone until that is resolved so what interest there is for him is at this point in time hidden and out of view
He was shopped around at Xmas and Arnold wouldn't take him on the money he was on.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
The way I read it in the media was that Carney decided to stay even though Arnold & SFC definately did want him and for more than what he was on here.
You have to remember also that because we aren't one of the so called big teams, sometimes we have to pay overs to get the quality here. Carney was seen as a player who should provide above average quality in this league so we paid more than what he was probably worth initially to get him in a Jets shirt. Considering he was one of our better attacking players, I would regard that as a decent investment, even if his defensive capabilities and crowd interactions left a lot to be desired.
http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/arti...k1indojnuopaa1
New sponsor for next 4 home games...
Only 4?......
Yep.like our squad everything is short termQuote:
Originally Posted by Wilso8948
Hope u right........4 more games for Stubbins?Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
I actually think we might be looking at them as a supplier of our new defenders.
http://www.gotstock.com.au/collapsib...m-prosafe.html
Another tinkler deception as he tries to be seen as real deal. Look, I bought in new sponsors, I am great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
All jokes aside and i know it is only for 4 weeks but this mob is part of the Wesfarmers group so not a bad bridge to building.
Not a bad network to be opening doors to.
To be fair he has so far actually achieved more than Middleby did in yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by hawk
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Originally Posted by Grimario
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/sport/...-1227215279036
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FOOTBALL Federation Australia remains concerned about the financial state of the Newcastle Jets, despite controversial owner Nathan Tinkler paying off almost $500,000 in debts late last week.
With the Jets still having a show-cause notice hanging over their heads, FFA issued a statement yesterday declaring Tinkler’s Hunter Sports Group, which owns the club, needs to do more to convince them of the club’s long-term viability.
Tinkler last Friday revealed he had paid creditors, including Northern NSW Football, the NSW Office of State Revenue and the University of Newcastle, saying he was ready to take the Jets forward.
He also announced he had appointed a new chief executive, former Fairfax Media manager Mitchell Murphy.
While declaring the payments “a step in the right direction”, the head body — which issued Tinkler a show-cause notice a little over a week ago that could lead to FFA revoking his licence to own the Jets — appears wary.
“The payment of some significant debts and the appointment of a CEO were steps in the right direction in relation to the formal notice given to the Hunter Sports Group, but much more needs to be done,” an FFA spokesman said. “The financial state of the Newcastle Jets is not yet in a position to fully satisfy FFA’s concerns about stability and sustainability.
“Nathan Tinkler has acknowledged the situation and given FFA assurances. He has been given a short period of time to address the financial and operational issues, which are important steps towards rebuilding trust with the football community of the region. To that end, coming to an amicable and mutually acceptable arrangement with those players who have served the club, but are no longer part of the plans, is something that should be given priority.”
FFA remains worried over issues surrounding the plight of a number of players dumped by the club in recent weeks.
The Jets are in dispute over termination agreements with Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi, who were cut loose after a failed player revolt against coach Phil Stubbins.
Former Socceroo David Carney had his reported $230,000-a-season contract torn up over a number of alleged breaches, though that matter is in dispute with Professional Footballers Australia handling the matter on his behalf .
The players have continued to turn up to training, though they have been segregated from the rest of the squad.
However, Tinkler remains bullish about the situation.
“As far as the club is concerned, none of those players will be coming back,” Tinkler told theworldgame website yesterday.
“They have refused to sign their mutual terminations and that just illustrates my point at what a disturbance they have been to the club.
“They don’t want to leave, they just want as much media attention as they can get.
“I have simply told Phil to make a little naughty corner at training and give them a sandpit and a little ladder, or something, to play with. They can come to training and play over there.”
Aside from the $500,000, Tinkler has indicated a further $400,000 relating to unpaid superannuation for players and staff would be met this week.
“The payments are one thing and the CEO appointment is another,” Tinkler added. “He (Murphy) is an experienced administrator with good business acumen.
“I think the FFA can take a lot of comfort from that and we can get on with pushing the club forward again.”
Is it just me or is this an article that gives absolutely no details whatsoever apart from rehashing everything from the last week?
Agree - it's just how the papers fill copy. Nearly ever Herald article still states "five senior players and three coaching staff were sacked"" etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
ABC radio this morning, they were talking about how apparently Cabbage Carney's dismissal is definitely a mess, as Tinks got rid of him on a "3 strikes and you are out" policy but it turns out it is actually FOUR..
Also, that the alleged third strike was a phone call between Small-Hands and Tinks, which cant be considered a third strike as it was a private phone call..
Interesting stuff.. Although (obviously), of the six blokes gone, he is the only one I wouldn't want back..
This was mentioned on Santo, Sam and Ed of all places last night...FFA far from finished dealing with Tinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
I read this back when I was sifting through the CBA a few weeks back. Very clearly stated that it's 4 breaches, and not 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
I wonder who it was who advised Tinks that he could be sacked after 3? Seems like a royal cock up on their part.
It seems odd to me that it's not a three-strikes policy, but regardless of what I think it about it doesn't change that it exists. And the fact that a strike can be included that is a private conversation between owner and player, I'm not so sure about tbh - must have been some heavy things said there.Quote:
Originally Posted by militiamon
Talking to Tinks, most things are heavyQuote:
Originally Posted by pv4
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FOOTBALL Federation Australia chief David Gallop has warned that Jets owner Nathan Tinkler has ‘‘a matter of days’’ to clear the club’s debts.
Tinkler last week paid an estimated $500,000 towards appeasing some of the A-League franchise’s creditors, but the FFA is still demanding that shortfalls in employees’ superannuation, and payouts to five players and three coaching staff sacked a fortnight ago, are setttled.
‘‘There is certainly more that has to happen to get things on a stable footing,’’ Gallop said on Wednesday. ‘‘They have taken some big steps. But there are remaining liabilities, there’s some operational, structural, things that need to happen.
‘‘We are still on a deadline and we think it’s important that the pressure stays on to get these things put in place quickly.’’
Gallop declined to confirm speculation that FFA had set a Monday deadline.
‘‘Nathan has made it clear that he will clear those liabilities but we want to see it done quickly ... it’s a matter of days,’’ he said.
Tinkler was given a ‘‘show-cause’’ notice by FFA 10 days ago, warning that he was in danger of relinquishing the club’s licence if he did not not meet his obligations.
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No time frame was specified but Tinkler has maintained in interviews that ‘‘it would take until mid-February to get those things done’’.
The struggling magnate reiterated that in a statement last Friday when he said ‘‘the last outstanding thing is superannuation, and we will get that met next week’’.
Tinkler, who is understood to have been travelling between Singapore and New York this week, has indicated he would launch legal action if FFA tried to evict him as Jets owner.
But the governing body has taken similar measures in the past to remove Tinkler’s predecessor, Con Constantine, and former Gold Coast United owner Clive Palmer.
The NRL successfully ousted Tinkler as owner of the Newcastle Knights last June, after a three-month power struggle.
Of the five Jets players Tinkler sacked – Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski, Adrian Madaschi and David Carney – Professional Footballers Australia said on Wednesday that all were still refusing to sign their deeds of termination.
All five are expected to attend training on Thursday.
Sacked goalkeeping coach Neil Young confirmed on Wednesday afternoon that he had received his severance pay and superannuation, but ex-assistant coach Clayton Zane and discarded head trainer Andrew Packer are still waiting for their financial settlements.
Meanwhile, FFA announced on Wednesday that Gallop had accepted a two-year contract extension.
Gallop, who was signed to a four-year deal in November 2012, will remain in charge until after the 2018 World Cup in Russia.
Gallop’s reign has coincided with a golden period for football in Australia, during which the Socceroos qualified for the 2014 World Cup and then won the Asian Cup in Sydney last month.
There has also been the emergence of the Western Sydney Wanderers, who clinched the Asian Champions League late last year, and the introduction of the FFA Cup competition.
‘‘David’s tenure has coincided with a period of stability, growth and innovation in Australian football, driven by initiatives that the CEO and his team have managed with great skill and care,’’ FFA chairman Frank Lowy said.
Gallop said he had no hesitation in extending his stay and was determined to grow the game further and make football the most popular sport in the country.
‘‘It’s been a privilege to be CEO at a time of such spectacular growth for the game and the incredible achievement of winning the Asian Cup.’’
In case you missed it the first time, the auction site is back for you to bid on all the stuff we didn't sell last time!
https://auctiondesq.imgstg.com/index...in&OrgID=24793Quote:
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Stubbins: We’re not going to give up
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Newcastle mentor Phil Stubbins says his charges must take to the field with the same energy, enthusiasm and attitude that they showed against Brisbane Roar last round when the Jets meet Western Sydney Wanderers at Hunter Stadium on Saturday.
Stubbins’ side suffered a last gasp 2-1 defeat to Frans Thijssen’s Queensland outfit last Friday, though displayed plenty of improvement and positivity against the reigning Hyundai A-League Champions.
With Tony Popovic’s 2014 AFC Champions League winners arriving at Hunter Stadium having recently secured their first win of the domestic season against Wellington Phoenix, Stubbins said his men need to produce another impassioned performance for themselves, the club, and the fans.
“We showed a renewed vigour in last week’s game and we need to carry that on now,” Stubbins told reporters following team training at Ray Watt Oval on Thursday.
“We’ve got a lot of young boys out there that are representing the club now [and] to a man I thought they were very, very good last week.
“We need to build on that and try and work things in a way that is to our advantage against Wanderers.
“They’ll [Wanderers] be buoyed by their win, that’s for sure, and they’ll bring some good support here so let’s hope it’s a really good game on Saturday night,” he said.
The Jets conceded both goals against Brisbane last round from set-piece situations – goals which ultimately cruelled the team’s chances of claiming a point, perhaps more, from the encounter.
Stubbins acknowledged his side simply cannot afford to ship goals cheaply if they’re to rise up the ladder during the back half of the campaign.
“We conceded goals from set-pieces [against Roar] which wasn’t good,” he said. “But I think in general play we restricted the Roar to very few opportunities, and I think during the game we had opportunities to win the game.”
“We’re not going to give up, we’re going to keep fighting, and we’re going to keep doing what we can to get results,” he said.
Defender Daniel Mullen made his Newcastle debut in the Brisbane battle, and put in a solid shift in his first outing as a Jet.
This weekend Mullen will face his most recent former club, but Stubbins said the calm and collected 25-year-old isn’t likely to be fazed by facing ex-teammates.
“I don’t think Daniel has much to prove,” Stubbins said. “I think we all saw his capabilities last week.”
“He [Mullen] came in and had a very sound impact for the team.
“He’s somebody that is very positive naturally.
“Daniel did a wonderful job for us last week and we’re hoping that he can continue on in that vein.”
Stubbins will wait until Friday to decide which player will wear the captain’s armband against Wanderers.
Taylor Regan performed with aplomb as skipper last round, though Stubbins has indicated that the captaincy can rotate among his freshly founded leadership group.
That means Regan may retain the armband, or Mullen, Ben Kennedy or Jacob Pepper could lead the team onto the Hunter Stadium surface.
all the media outlets all talk about the altercation
club acts blindly and just talks about other nonsense
if mullen is captain it will be a ****ing disgrace
It should be tra is cooper. Under 6 protocol means you go in numerical order.
3 wore it last week.
4 not playing
5 didn't want it
6 doesn't play
7 has gone
8 doesn't want it
9 can't get shown any respect
So all hail out new captain Travis Cooper!!!