2021 National Premier League thread

So what are the predictions for position of top 5 with a few interesting games to come
Jaffa’s
Eagles
Magpies
Magic
Azzurri

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fairgo

So what are the predictions for position of top 5 with a few interesting games to come
Jaffa’s
Eagles
Magpies
Magic
Azzurri

---

Jaffas
Maitland
Edgeworth
Magic
Azzurri

What's going on over at Magic? Three poor results in a row

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 1987

What's going on over at Magic? Three poor results in a row

---

They would be counting their blessings they already have 31 points in the kitty after those displays. Got some work to do leading up to the finals.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by mge61

They would be counting their blessings they already have 31 points in the kitty after those displays. Got some work to do leading up to the finals.

---

And last 3 games are Jaffas Maitland and Edgy

How good is Bridgey? Not bad I say

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Thomas477

Fun fact, the report automatically deems any red cards of that nature medium to high in severity. It’s actually impossible for the report to say it was a strike to the head, but it’s low severity. As such it’s on northern, but sure, let’s blame the referees for northern not giving a harsher sentence, we blame them for everything else.

---

True, referees at times don’t deserve the criticism they get but where do you draw the line. Everyone at the ground including the players own coach acknowledged what happened was a dog act. If NNSW football don,t step in let’s see how the club and referees review panel deal with it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GashArmy

How good is Bridgey? Not bad I say

---

Well, it's a long way from your earlier predictions of him:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GashArmy

Just home from Azzurri vs magic

Two reds in the first half

If magic are the benchmark and clear standout that’ll do!

Bridgey will win the competition in a canter

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GashArmy

New coach and players coming to grips with it.


Bridgey will win the comp

---

You certainly have a keen interest in the man.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Stanley

True, referees at times don’t deserve the criticism they get but where do you draw the line. Everyone at the ground including the players own coach acknowledged what happened was a dog act. If NNSW football don,t step in let’s see how the club and referees review panel deal with it.

---

I am not sure where you're getting your information from or even what a 'referee's review panel' is, but for a red card the referees submit a report stating factually what happened, i.e. nature of offence and/or contact, degree of force etc and then have nothing else to do with the process (assuming it doesn't get called before the judiciary).

100% on Northern to decide suspensions.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ExWhistleMan

I am not sure where you're getting your information from or even what a 'referee's review panel' is, but for a red card the referees submit a report stating factually what happened, i.e. nature of offence and/or contact, degree of force etc and then have nothing else to do with the process (assuming it doesn't get called before the judiciary).

100% on Northern to decide suspensions.

---

What does a referee inspector do and don’t they review bar tv footage to assess competency ??

So factually do you think the ref got it right, I think not

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Stanley

What does a referee inspector do and don’t they review bar tv footage to assess competency ??

So factually do you think the ref got it right, I think not

---

Referee sent Sessions off and you’re disagreeing with that? Christ almighty, referee makes the right decision, and is still wrong. **** me.

Referees don’t make recommendations on sanctions, that’s all on the disciplinary board.

I think your a poor judge of the law chart if you don’t think that was a send off. I’d suggest reading it some time.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Stanley

What does a referee inspector do and don’t they review bar tv footage to assess competency ??

So factually do you think the ref got it right, I think not

---

Not trying to be a smartarse, I am generally confused by your comment……
In your opinion what else could have the referee done?
He was in a good position and had the awareness to see off the ball violent conduct, saw it and reacted immediately, had his red card out before the situation escalated.
Referee assessors certainly watch BarTV footage for the purpose of assessing the referee performance and coaching. But what do you think that has to do with the sanctions handed out with NNSW?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Blindfreddy

I think your a poor judge of the law chart if you don’t think that was a send off. I’d suggest reading it some time.

---

I don't think the send off was being questioned, rather the report of the incident that the ref makes that led to a lenient suspension. I assume that is the process and the point of the comment.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Texas Ranger

I don't think the send off was being questioned, rather the report of the incident that the ref makes that led to a lenient suspension. I assume that is the process and the point of the comment.

---

Correct, I’m not questioning the send off just the referees report that allowed Sessions to only receive a minimum sentence. It’s not up to NNSW to determine nature of the offence and/or contact, degree of force unless it goes to disciplinary committee and even then disciplinary committee don’t rule against a referees decision

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Stanley

Correct, I’m not questioning the send off just the referees report that allowed Sessions to only receive a minimum sentence. It’s not up to NNSW to determine nature of the offence and/or contact, degree of force unless it goes to disciplinary committee and even then disciplinary committee don’t rule against a referees decision

---

Have you read the referees report? Can you tell us what it said?

Regardless of the referees report, the disciplinary process decides the punishment and they are normally lenient and often slow. The report is just evidence for them to consider. It is well within the process to disregard the referees report if other evidence exists that indicates it is in error.

When I look back at some of the well known cases of the last few years, I shake my head at the generosity shown by the disciplinary process.

https://northernnswfootball.com.au/w...mpionships.pdf

Maybe an outdated form, but it didn’t change for years so doubt it’s much different.
I think Stanley’s point is why it wasn’t severe etc and 2 weeks sounds like it was in the minimum end of the scale.

Imo, I see that point in junior, ID and maybe lower zone leagues.
But I doubt in this day and age where video footage is available to review that they would even look at the send off report.
What’s it going to say? “Player struck opposition off the ball”. A punch is a punch.
It’s up to NNSWF to to decide the penalty. We managed to find the video and have a look for ourselves, I don’t doubt NNSW had a look as well.

This one ain’t on the refs. Was sent off within 5 seconds of the incident without second thought.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Stanley

Correct, I’m not questioning the send off just the referees report that allowed Sessions to only receive a minimum sentence. It’s not up to NNSW to determine nature of the offence and/or contact, degree of force unless it goes to disciplinary committee and even then disciplinary committee don’t rule against a referees decision

---

From my experience, it doesn’t really make a difference what goes on the report. Straight Red = 2 weeks every time unless it’s the second of the season and then it’s 4. Unless the offence involves spitting or vilification.

Azzurri signing Jacob Melling for 2022 and Law signing on for another year. Fair signing and still pretty young

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by The Hacker

Azzurri signing Jacob Melling for 2022 and Law signing on for another year. Fair signing and still pretty young

---

Having also signed Taylor Reagan

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

https://northernnswfootball.com.au/w...mpionships.pdf

Maybe an outdated form, but it didn’t change for years so doubt it’s much different.
I think Stanley’s point is why it wasn’t severe etc and 2 weeks sounds like it was in the minimum end of the scale.

Imo, I see that point in junior, ID and maybe lower zone leagues.
But I doubt in this day and age where video footage is available to review that they would even look at the send off report.
What’s it going to say? “Player struck opposition off the ball”. A punch is a punch.
It’s up to NNSWF to to decide the penalty. We managed to find the video and have a look for ourselves, I don’t doubt NNSW had a look as well.

This one ain’t on the refs. Was sent off within 5 seconds of the incident without second thought.

---

Pretty much spot on, except we use google forms and the severity gets scaled to what the offence was, ie R7 is always low, whereas R1/2 start at medium.

And Stanley, how many times do I have to say it, referees don’t have any input into the sanction. But you’ve obviously got a bee in your bonnet about this, so I give up, you have clearly no idea what you’re talking about.

I would have thought that the incident last week, that can be seen by anyone who wishes, is as much bringing the game into disrepute as two featherweights throwing airswings in a car park.

Poor old Joel Woods gets 7 weeks for hand passing a ball and Sessions gets 2 weeks for hand punching a kids head. Seems logical

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Thomas477

Pretty much spot on, except we use google forms and the severity gets scaled to what the offence was, ie R7 is always low, whereas R1/2 start at medium.

And Stanley, how many times do I have to say it, referees don’t have any input into the sanction. But you’ve obviously got a bee in your bonnet about this, so I give up, you have clearly no idea what you’re talking about.

---

"Refs don't have any input into the sanction" - That seems weird. Don't they have to report why a player is sent off? I wouldn't expect them to have a vote or even attend the hearing, but surely the judiciary would be guided by a report or a scaling of what happened from the ref. I find Stanley's questioning about what happens quite reasonable.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Texas Ranger

"Refs don't have any input into the sanction" - That seems weird. Don't they have to report why a player is sent off? I wouldn't expect them to have a vote or even attend the hearing, but surely the judiciary would be guided by a report or a scaling of what happened from the ref. I find Stanley's questioning about what happens quite reasonable.

---

Ok let’s play a game.
Which red card offence?
And what does your report say?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by mge61

I would have thought that the incident last week, that can be seen by anyone who wishes, is as much bringing the game into disrepute as two featherweights throwing airswings in a car park.

---

100% disrepute is damaging the reputation of something in this case Football in the public’s eye. Which incident has done more damage to the game a scrap in a car park witnessed by say 20 people maximum or a dog shot by a player in a game with form on a young player off the ball witnessed by say several hundred at the game and countless more online. I rest my case Northern.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

Ok let’s play a game.
Which red card offence?
And what does your report say?

---

I didn't question card or sanction, I'm not involved in the process and am not in a position to judge the sentence handed down and I don't particularly care. I am, however, witnessing some comments that don't appear to make sense. I was pointing out that Thomas477 was misinterpreting a reasonable question/comment by Stanley. To say a ref has no input in the sentencing would mean the refs report and grading is totally ignored by the judiciary, therefore why have a refs report at all. It seems T477 is not the only one that gets "triggered" by a simple comment.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Texas Ranger

I didn't question card or sanction, I'm not involved in the process and am not in a position to judge the sentence handed down and I don't particularly care. I am, however, witnessing some comments that don't appear to make sense. I was pointing out that Thomas477 was misinterpreting a reasonable question/comment by Stanley. To say a ref has no input in the sentencing would mean the refs report and grading is totally ignored by the judiciary, therefore why have a refs report at all. It seems T477 is not the only one that gets "triggered" by a simple comment.

---

Not triggered at all.
See my above comment where I also clarify Stanley’s question.
I can definitely see the point he makes. But without anybody seeing the report, it’s hard to know.

I was just curious how other people would grade the incident and how they would objectively describe the incident. It’s easy to call out something like that, and say the ref didn’t do enough, but their role isn’t to determine suspension. They apply and enforce the laws of the game. Which the ref did, send off straight away, defused the situation. They file a send off report and describe the incident objectively. Yes, they may grade the incident from low (second yellow, DGSO), moderate (bad tackle, altercation) to severe (really bad tackle or incident causing severe damage).
Regardless of what the referee puts down, it does guide to some extent but not much I wouldn’t think, and nor should it. I daresay NNSW would have a set of predetermined sentences for common actions.


I just think the criticism of the sentence, should be directed to NNSWF. They are the ones who can review footage, call witnesses and compare to previous incidents.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

I just think the criticism of the sentence, should be directed to NNSWF. They are the ones who can review footage, call witnesses and compare to previous incidents.

---

TR this is the point. A ref writes the report, and sends it off and that’s it. Northern makes the decision based on the incident and what the referee writes (unless it’s a major incident, then they might be called to appear at the judiciary as a witness). At no point do the refs say old mate should get 4 weeks, if that was the case, for example, Joel Woods wouldn’t be playing ever again (refs don’t take kindly to being assaulted).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Thomas477

TR this is the point. A ref writes the report, and sends it off and that’s it. Northern makes the decision based on the incident and what the referee writes (unless it’s a major incident, then they might be called to appear at the judiciary as a witness). At no point do the refs say old mate should get 4 weeks, if that was the case, for example, Joel Woods wouldn’t be playing ever again (refs don’t take kindly to being assaulted).

---

Please don't compare what Sessions did to what Woods did.

While I am definitely not condoning what Woods did, he hand passed a ball towards a linesman that any 10 year old boy could have side stepped. As I said I'm not condoning what Joel did.
Sessions blatantly punched another player in the face with enough force to make his nose bleed and should have been charged with assault

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Thomas477

TR this is the point. A ref writes the report, and sends it off and that’s it. Northern makes the decision based on the incident and what the referee writes (unless it’s a major incident, then they might be called to appear at the judiciary as a witness). At no point do the refs say old mate should get 4 weeks, if that was the case, for example, Joel Woods wouldn’t be playing ever again (refs don’t take kindly to being assaulted).

---

I know it's just semantics, but you say a ref has "no input into the sanction" when in fact everything is based on the refs grading and report of the incident. Unless the judiciary has ignored or over ruled the refs report then he has a huge input. I'm not sure NNSWF allow footage from BarTv to be used by the judiciary. I did hear it wasn't allowed in the past. So the question is, do you put responsibility for the sentence on ref report, Northern or both. I'm not suggesting it was right or wrong, or who, if anyone should be blamed. But people can ask the question without being shouted down or incorrectly called wrong.

I think it’s a no win situation for anybody here.
We don’t know what the report said.
We don’t know if northern agreed or disagreed or what.
We don’t know how they came to the decision.

We do know, the ref sends him off, NNSW deliver the sanction.

Yes, I see Stanley’s point, and agree that it is a consideration when deciding a sanction, BUT it is not the only thing and nobody knows how much, if any, weighting NNSW give to the refs “grading” of the incident. To Thomas’ point, if it were up to the referees, there would be very harsh penalties for anything directed towards referees whether it be physical or verbal etc.


This is from football NSW. https://footballnsw.com.au/wp-conten....03.2020-2.pdf

Page 59, I think, has a list of recommended sanctions. I imagine NNSW have a similar document.
I’m not entirely sure who determines where it sits on this table and there is an awful lot of subjectivity as to what is minor or severe injury.!
My understanding would be that the report says something along the lines of “punch to players face. Player sustained a bleeding nose from the strike” or something to that extent and the powers that be, would decide where this incident fits. I imagine everyone has a right to appeal the severity and produce accounts.

Back to the Football. Maitland go temporarily to the top of the table with a 4 2 win over Adamstown

Another brilliant performance from Olympic. That’s now 7 loses in 8.
Macarthur may as well send there under 14 SAP team up.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Johnno

100% disrepute is damaging the reputation of something in this case Football in the public’s eye. Which incident has done more damage to the game a scrap in a car park witnessed by say 20 people maximum or a dog shot by a player in a game with form on a young player off the ball witnessed by say several hundred at the game and countless more online. I rest my case Northern.

---

doesnt matter how many see it. Scrap in the car park is worse and becomes a public police issue and hurts the game as much.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Blueboy

Another brilliant performance from Olympic. That’s now 7 loses in 8.
Macarthur may as well send there under 14 SAP team up.

---

Also, not a good look when the Olympic head coach is trying to fight someone on the Azzurri bench at the half time break

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheFourHorsemen

Also, not a good look when the Olympic head coach is trying to fight someone on the Azzurri bench at the half time break

---

Joel’s out of his depth on the coaching front - not surprising really.

Magic out of the premiership race after losing to Lambton today

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheFourHorsemen

Also, not a good look when the Olympic head coach is trying to fight someone on the Azzurri bench at the half time break

---

Italian diving team not in Tokyo!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jim

doesnt matter how many see it. Scrap in the car park is worse and becomes a public police issue and hurts the game as much.

---

Definitely my last comment on the matter, if what Sessions did was reported to police (civil law suite) which I believe the Edgeworth player has the right to do, would that constitute bringing the game into disrepute and then would the suspension be 12 months or more ??