The A-League Expansion Thread

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

The A-League is a massive failure as far as producing elite players though. Compare how many of our lads were playing 1st team football in the best leagues around the world back in the NSL days to the current situation.

Players now make too much coin playing in the A-League to ever want to venture overseas and try to make it at the highest level. At best they go overseas to sit on the bench or play for some unknown Euro club - then return demanding top dollar at an A-league Club.

Don't drink the Lowy Family Kool Aid either - With pretty much complete control of the game in this country things have not improved as far as the Socceroos are concerned.

If we still had to qualify through Oceania / South America I doubt we'd have made another WC after 2006 - and only Diego Forlan and a few others being injured allowed us to qualify then as well. Full fit Uruguay would have killed us.

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You crack me up Dunstersaur.
You really need to let go of the past, 2018 really ain't that bad.

What were you doing in 2015? Watching reruns of Jaws and Mash?

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Originally Posted by Premy

What were you doing in 2015? Watching reruns of Jaws?

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Absolutely nothing wrong with that!!! One of the classics..

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Originally Posted by Bon

Absolutely nothing wrong with that!!! One of the classics..

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As long as its Jaws the revenge

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

As long as its Jaws the revenge

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hahaha.. I haven't seen that one, yet..
I did just download all four Jaws movies in a pack the other day, I'm assuming they get worse and worse after the first.

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Originally Posted by Premy

You crack me up Dunstersaur.
You really need to let go of the past, 2018 really ain't that bad.

What were you doing in 2015? Watching reruns of Jaws and Mash?

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How many Aussies do we currently have playing in the EPL, LaLiga, Bundesliga, Serie A and so on ... Not many considering the level of investment in the game currently compared to the NSL days.

The NSL had massive problems and I'd never want to go back because somethings like the quality of grounds / facilities in the A-league are far better than they ever were back when. Recovery / Medical and so on is again much better now as well - players have a better profile... and so on .. yes I get it.

But if you think we don't have serious issues developing players for the best leagues in the world you are in denial. In that respect we have gone backwards.

2018 is shit by the way. You just don't know any better.

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Originally Posted by Bon

hahaha.. I haven't seen that one, yet..
I did just download all four Jaws movies in a pack the other day, I'm assuming they get worse and worse after the first.

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First two good after that, Well good luck

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

How many Aussies do we currently have playing in the EPL, LaLiga, Bundesliga, Serie A and so on ... Not many considering the level of investment in the game currently compared to the NSL days.

The NSL had massive problems and I'd never want to go back because somethings like the quality of grounds / facilities in the A-league are far better than they ever were back when. Recovery / Medical and so on is again much better now as well - players have a better profile... and so on .. yes I get it.

But if you think we don't have serious issues developing players for the best leagues in the world you are in denial. In that respect we have gone backwards.

2018 is shit by the way. You just don't know any better.

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September 2018
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Abroad/2018-09.html

April 2006
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Abroad/2006-04.html

Seems pretty similar to me if anything there is probably more now.

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Originally Posted by Premy

September 2018
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Abroad/2018-09.html

April 2006
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Abroad/2006-04.html

Seems pretty similar to me if anything there is probably more now.

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Although im positive most of those are made up names and leagues, this little nugget of info made me smile.

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Minniecon Tahj 13/02/1989 29 Davao Aguilas Philippines (1) PFL Striker 1/9/18 Started, SCORED (Cup)

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Goal machine.
Bring him home Middleby!!!!

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Originally Posted by Negative Police

Listen to this far left outraged moron.

The game was sinking into an ethnic sewer. Yeah it was competitive but limited to growth. There was no chance of growing he game without mainstream population having some sort of belonging. Those that did soon left and went to AFL/League.

What Lowy did was include 80% more of Australia and was a master stroke. Your superior race can still compete.

I'd bet you were at one of these fully sick clubs and are butt hurt. Think you need a bigger plug and a tissue. :rof::rof:

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You start off by calling me far left

FMD


1st for everything but you are the only **** on the planet who thinks i lean to the.left

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Originally Posted by plague

nah.
the idea behind the A-League was solid.
it needed to be new and different.


but.

Frank Lowys departure and the re-admission of the legacy clubs should have been done way sooner. it was always the obvious move.
by bringing them back in later, they are playing from behind, so will need to open themselves up to also be more inclusive in order to pay the bills.



if they were in from the start of the A-League it wouldnt have worked. it just would have been NSL v.349

South Melbourne (and probably Marconi eventually) should be layups to return. hope they get the spot.

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Disageee that the idea of the HAL was solid

It was flawed

The franchise model that we have was limited in its ability to work

It has over the last 13 years seen us have to get into bed with the Clive Palmers and Nayfun Tinklers of the world and now we are onto foreign.ownership

We have priced out every existing club in Oz from wanting in bar South
We have priced out possible owners

We have only suceeded in creating a monopoly for the PFA and FFA.at the expense of everything else

The system was ****ed.in 2005

Lowy aint a messiah for applying business practices that made his shopping centre empire huge to Oz football

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Originally Posted by MFKS

You start off by calling me far left

FMD


1st for everything but you are the only **** on the planet who thinks i lean to the.left

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Nah, I thought everyone was of this opinion.
Classic left wing behaviour.
Just own it Member.

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Originally Posted by Premy

September 2018
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Abroad/2018-09.html

April 2006
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Abroad/2006-04.html

Seems pretty similar to me if anything there is probably more now.

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Good post Premy. It doesn't seem we have as many playing in the first team in the elite leagues as in the past.

2018 We have 0 in Serie-A, 0 in La liga, 2 in Bundesliga, 1 GK in EPL, Eredivisie representation is strong though question mark over the quality of the league these days. Championship, and youth representation looks surprisingly strong as well - could evolve into something over the next few years - but it's not EPL !st team representation like we had in 2006.

2006 though we had players representing all the major competitions in Europe and many of them playing first team football and Champions league as well. That's clearly not the case anymore.

EPL and Serie-A representation was much stronger if we compare 1st team football.

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Originally Posted by plague

Nah, I thought everyone was of this opinion.
Classic left wing behaviour.
Just own it Member.

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No

Wont ever be part of the loony left


Could easily pick apart the rest of his argument but his first point showed me he hasnt got a clue

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

Good post Premy. It doesn't seem we have as many playing in the first team in the elite leagues as in the past.

2018 We have 0 in Serie-A, 0 in La liga, 2 in Bundesliga, 1 GK in EPL, Eredivisie representation is strong though question mark over the quality of the league these days. Championship, and youth representation looks surprisingly strong as well - could evolve into something over the next few years - but it's not EPL !st team representation like we had in 2006.

2006 though we had players representing all the major competitions in Europe and many of them playing first team football and Champions league as well. That's clearly not the case anymore.

EPL and Serie-A representation was much stronger if we compare 1st team football.

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The current model has just actually limited opportunities to young kids as the HAL clubs dont give the yoof a go

Back in the NSL days the clubs understood the value of sending players to Europe so that is why your Vidukas and zelics and Okons were playing at 16/17 etc

HAL clubs really have not embraced this but this is more of a problem with the model

Then you throw in the cozy welfare state pay cheque system the PFA have got going on where many players show no ambition to go OS but are happy to just move club to club around the HAL

Then if 1 is lucky enough to get an OS gig then look at how many of them fail

Birraz
Taggart
Brillante
Goodwin

All get out of Oz with an opportunity to suceed in Europe

All come back and coast along at this level again

It is an absolute tragedy

All starts with the system in place

of course, back in those days a young player could move overseas before the age of 18, which is now illegal

but carry on

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Originally Posted by boz-monaut

of course, back in those days a young player could move overseas before the age of 18, which is now illegal

but carry on

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That age thing is correct in thast things have changed

But Viduka Zelic and co didnt move O/S until they had a couple of years of NSL football under their belt and would have been over the 18 age thing anyway

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/spo...09-p50eym.html

canberra has announced a bit of a partnership with the wollongong wolves, will play one game a season there. not really sure this is actually a smart move. just seems to dilute the whole "we're going for community ownership and members will have a massive say on everything" vibe they've been trying to sell.

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Originally Posted by belchardo

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/spo...09-p50eym.html

canberra has announced a bit of a partnership with the wollongong wolves, will play one game a season there. not really sure this is actually a smart move. just seems to dilute the whole "we're going for community ownership and members will have a massive say on everything" vibe they've been trying to sell.

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Still remember that dark day when the old Newcastle United had a home game at bloody Gosford....praise Griff for scoring and making it worthwhile.

The new FFA peeps should just let like all of the bids in then just leave the gypos off the fixture list and see if anyone even notices.

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Originally Posted by belchardo

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/spo...09-p50eym.html

canberra has announced a bit of a partnership with the wollongong wolves, will play one game a season there. not really sure this is actually a smart move. just seems to dilute the whole "we're going for community ownership and members will have a massive say on everything" vibe they've been trying to sell.

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When i first heard of this about 8 weeks ago i thought it was a odd move

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

Still remember that dark day when the old Newcastle United had a home game at bloody Gosford....praise Griff for scoring and making it worthwhile.

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Sure it was our home game??

Pretty sure they were Northern Spirits home games

I had a couple of Match programs from Spirit games and I never went to Nth Sydney Oval

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Sure it was our home game??

Pretty sure they were Northern Spirits home games

I had a couple of Match programs from Spirit games and I never went to Nth Sydney Oval

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Different game....I know the one you mean. The one I'm thinking was the Olympic match where Griff scored after Dodd's mazy run. Not sure now if it was our home game but I was sitting in the members area.

What a mess

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Originally Posted by Negative Police

What a mess

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Yep. Probs why this is the last sporting code Gallop will get a gig at. Everything he touches turns to shit and his legacy on the game of Football will be long remembered for clueless inaction.

the new boss wants it.
and he wants it now.
buckle up lads.


any rich wankers out there get your chequebook out.

So which new board members are associated with the new franchises. Welcome to those new clubs through the backdoor. Congratulations.

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Originally Posted by Negative Police

So which new board members are associated with the new franchises. Welcome to those new clubs through the backdoor. Congratulations.

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I thought it was more of a reflection that we aint getting South in the comp

Old mate who is chairman got snubbed at South as a youngster and has had an axe to grind with them ever since

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Originally Posted by MFKS

I thought it was more of a reflection that we aint getting South in the comp

Old mate who is chairman got snubbed at South as a youngster and has had an axe to grind with them ever since

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Makes it harder but i still think South will buy their way in. 3 derby teams is the kicker. The other im not so sure but must be Victorian or Canberra or go for all 3 which would make 24 rounds.

Problem with South Melbourne is they buy players rather than develop them. Don't we have enough of that shit already.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

Problem with South Melbourne is they buy players rather than develop them. Don't we have enough of that shit already.

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I wonder what the stats are on percentage of AL players that actually went thru their own clubs youth system.

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Originally Posted by pv4

I wonder what the stats are on percentage of AL players that actually went thru their own clubs youth system.

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It would be hard to work out given kids can play junior football at one club and then move to another because it lacked senior football opportunities.

Paul Trimboli for example used to play for Brighton. Brighton were fabulous developing young kids [probably still are]but couldn't offer them senior football at the higher levels.
So the bigger clubs would poach them and make out like they did all the hard work - when the truth is they merely gained a kid with all the tools.
Melb Knights / Melb Croatia were probably the main club where a kid could go right through the system to the highest level never needing to play anywhere else.

just to interject these opinions with a few facts

the expansion teams are supposed to be announced in a week on 12 December

much as they were supposed to be announced on 31 October

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Originally Posted by boz-monaut

just to interject these opinions with a few facts

the expansion teams are supposed to be announced in a week on 12 December

much as they were supposed to be announced on 31 October

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So you are saying the new board are gonna rubberstamp the farce with out doing due diligence in a weeks time??

If any of those bastardised South Eastern Northern Westie Conglomerate sides from either Melbourne or Sydney get in at the expense of ACTUAL existing football clubs like South or Wollongong then they can get ****ed as they are not exactly doing anything posityive for Oz Football but validating the farce of a football set up we have in this country where promotion to the top tier is protected by.contracts and promotion into isnt based on football merit but on brown paper bag deals in the shadows

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Originally Posted by MFKS

So you are saying the new board are gonna rubberstamp the farce with out doing due diligence in a weeks time??

If any of those bastardised South Eastern Northern Westie Conglomerate sides from either Melbourne or Sydney get in at the expense of ACTUAL existing football clubs like South or Wollongong then they can get ****ed as they are not exactly doing anything posityive for Oz Football but validating the farce of a football set up we have in this country where promotion to the top tier is protected by.contracts and promotion into isnt based on football merit but on brown paper bag deals in the shadows

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The whole process from the beginning has been crafted to support the Southern Expansion bid to satisfy Gallop.

Wollongong unfortunately will not get side in its own right even though to the best of my knowledge Bruce Gordon was happy to tip in for a stand alone Wollongong Wolves.

Mark my words from a membership and crowd numbers perspective all that new entity will achieve is bastardizing numbers from the two existing Sydney clubs.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

So you are saying the new board are gonna rubberstamp the farce with out doing due diligence in a weeks time??

If any of those bastardised South Eastern Northern Westie Conglomerate sides from either Melbourne or Sydney get in at the expense of ACTUAL existing football clubs like South or Wollongong then they can get ****ed as they are not exactly doing anything posityive for Oz Football but validating the farce of a football set up we have in this country where promotion to the top tier is protected by.contracts and promotion into isnt based on football merit but on brown paper bag deals in the shadows

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If you think South Melbourne are in the top 2 of the expansion bidders left you seriously are delusional.

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Originally Posted by Premy

If you think South Melbourne are in the top 2 of the expansion bidders left you seriously are delusional.

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South are actually number 1 of the bidders left because they actually ****ing exist


They aint some wet dream wfantasy waiting to occur

Everything about the Sydney and Melbourne bids is plastic and manufacture

Exactly where are their fans coming from??

Just going to steal them off Blue Aids Red Aids VARtree and Plastic City s seagulls

South at least have existing fans and existing history

I think this is actually something that the honourable member and I actually agree on

South Melbourne and Canberra should be the expansion teams but I am 100% certain this will not be the case

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Originally Posted by boz-monaut

I think this is actually something that the honourable member and I actually agree on

South Melbourne and Canberra should be the expansion teams but I am 100% certain this will not be the case

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We bang on in 100% agreement there

Broken clock is right twice a day etc

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Originally Posted by MFKS

South are actually number 1 of the bidders left because they actually ****ing exist


They aint some wet dream wfantasy waiting to occur

Everything about the Sydney and Melbourne bids is plastic and manufacture

Exactly where are their fans coming from??

Just going to steal them off Blue Aids Red Aids VARtree and Plastic City s seagulls

South at least have existing fans and existing history

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Yeah lets bring in a club that can't or won't pay their current players.
What could go wrong?

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Originally Posted by Premy

Yeah lets bring in a club that can't or won't pay their current players.
What could go wrong?

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What your claim here ??

Because I have heard the same BS trotted out by Souths detractors in the past and it was proven false

So I am all ears on this allegation