Perth issued a show cause notice by FFA over failure to disclose reportable payments.
FFS, the FFA are after the wrong club.
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Perth issued a show cause notice by FFA over failure to disclose reportable payments.
FFS, the FFA are after the wrong club.
Im sick of hearing from stubbins blah blah blah
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/socce...12-13dfhh.html
Take them on Griff
The behaviour of Tinker and Stubbins is a disgrace and not tolerated in any other workplace in Australia
Stubbins giving favours to his new yes boy Mullen.
I don't think Stubbins will be here long enough for Mullen to have to suck too much cockQuote:
Originally Posted by hawk
I wonder if the PFA and FFA are complicit in allowing Jets as much rope as they want to hang themselves with the disgraceful player treatment over the last 2 weeks as it is just another nail in the coffin for FFA to take the Licence back??:confused:
Usually the PFA are all over shit like what is happening to Griff and co but they are for some reason being absurdly quiet on the matter and are barely putting up a fight rather than some occasional token PR to warn they might do something.
I mentioned on here a while ago that the club need to be careful how they are treating the players after some posters queried about what laws apply.
You'll notice the PFA are now warning the club about bullying and harassment of the players.
Definition of workplace bullying (from Fair Work Commission)...
Bullying behaviour may involve, for example, any of the following types of behaviour:
* aggressive or intimidating conduct
* belittling or humiliating comments
* spreading malicious rumours
* teasing, practical jokes or 'initiation ceremonies'
* exclusion from work-related events
* unreasonable work expectations, including too much or too little work, or work below or beyond a worker's skill level
* displaying offensive material
* pressure to behave in an inappropriate manner.
And since the laws have changed you can go straight to the FWC with an application.
Same shit every week...My blood boils every time I hear him speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by R Ramjet
Looks like these boys will have a case easyQuote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
PR guy must be a gypo, thinks he's playing politics repeating the same shit lines #pv4smateoutQuote:
Originally Posted by idontwannaplaywithhowey
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by la bazzle
Gone Monday MorningQuote:
JETS owner Nathan Tinkler appears unlikely to fulfil his own commitment to pay by this week an estimated $400,000 in superannuation owed to his players and staff.
Having produced $500,000 to appease a selection of creditors eight days ago, Tinkler said: ‘‘The last outstanding thing is superannuation, and we will get that met next week.’’
After contacting the club on Friday to confirm if the superannuation debt had been settled, the Herald was told the ‘‘paperwork was being processed’’ and it was expected to be paid by ‘‘early next week’’.
FFA officials have also been advised the superannuation will be paid by Monday. Even if this is the case, it appears Tinkler will still not be in the clear after receiving a ‘‘show cause’’ notice 12 days ago to prove the Jets are a ‘‘stable and sustainable’’ operation under his ownership.
As one informed source told the Herald: ‘‘Even if he pays the superannuation, he won’t have cleared the debt, not by a long shot.’’
Despite Tinkler stating eight days ago that ‘‘a million dollars injected into the club will fix all those issues’’, it is understood the governing body also expects him to urgently settle liabilities with the Australian Tax Office in the vicinity of $2 million.
FFA chief executive David Gallop declined to confirm any time frame at a press conference this week but admitted: ‘‘We are still on a deadline and we think it’s important that the pressure stays on to get these things put in place quickly.
‘‘Nathan has made it clear that he will clear those liabilities but we want to see it done quickly ... it’s a matter of days.’’
Gallop declined to confirm if the deadline was Monday.
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Meanwhile, midfielder David Carney, one of five players exiled by the Jets, is awaiting a date for his dispute with the club to be heard by an independent arbitrator.
Professional Footballers Australia players union filed a grievance against the Jets on Carney’s behalf with the National Dispute Resolution Chamber on Monday.
A directions hearing was held by teleconference late Friday, which was to set a timeframe for submissions from both parties and set a hearing date.
After initially offering to pay out the final 18 months of Carney’s contract, the Jets moved to sack him with no payout over three alleged breaches.
Under the collective-bargaining agreement, player contracts can be terminated after four breaches.
Carney has accepted two of the breaches but has rejected the third, which is understood to involve a private conversation he had with Tinkler.
Western Sydney are understood to be interested in signing the former Socceroo for the start of their Asian Champions League defence.
Robert Dillon not quite going far enough this time.Quote:
WHEN Sporting Declaration was talking with Professional Footballers Association chief executive Adam Vivian during the week, I posed a question that was largely hypothetical.
‘‘At what point would they consider going on strike?’’ I asked, referring, of course, to long-suffering players at the Newcastle Jets.
Vivian’s response was fairly predictable, given that since the A-League kicked off 10 seasons ago, there have been a variety of cases of players being treated unacceptably, not just at the Jets but across the competition.
Not once have players responded by withdrawing their labour en masse.
‘‘The players know there are ramifications for that kind of action,’’ Vivian said.
‘‘It’s not something we’re going to investigate in the first instance.
‘‘What we would probably consider in the immediate future would be to look to Football Federation Australia to intervene in these circumstances, as custodians of the game and in the best interest of good governance of the game, to ensure that the interests and provisions of the players are protected.
‘‘Rather than going down the path of industrial action, we’d certainly go down the path of seeking the assistance of FFA and asking them to intervene.’’
Strikes by Australian professional sporting outfits, of course, are virtually unheard of.
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Super League-aligned teams boycotted the first round of the 1996 Australian Rugby League season before being ordered to return to the field by the Federal Court.
Australia’s Test cricketers used the ‘‘s’’ word regularly in the late 1990s, leveraging the powers-that-be to improve the pay of Sheffield Shield players under the terms of their collective-bargaining agreement.
More recently Essendon players have indicated they will refuse to play in this year’s pre-season NAB Challenge games unless the AFL guarantees to backdate any anti-doping suspensions to September.
Other than those instances, I can’t recall strike action being taken by a collective group of athletes Down Under.
In the US, however, there have been strikes involving Major League baseballers and several NBA basketball ‘‘lockouts’’, most of which have centred around multimillionaire players seeking even higher wages.
In Australia, unions such as the PFA prefer to avoid confrontation, perhaps because they have alternative dispute-resolution options that are effective.
If PFA can prove a club has not upheld its obligations to an employee or employees, it can call on the resources of FFA and even FIFA to impose appropriate sanctions.
Jets owner Nathan Tinkler may think he can treat unwanted players and staff with contempt, but history suggests he will not beat the system.
Certainly Newcastle’s players appear entitled to be disgruntled with their working conditions.
They are collectively owed hundreds of thousands of dollars in overdue superannuation.
Five of their teammates and three of the coaching staff were sacked without notice.
The five disenfranchised players have been unable to move on with their lives, after PFA advice not to sign termination papers that apparently do not guarantee all their entitlements. So they continue to train with the club even though they are considered no chance of playing.
The remaining players, who would not be human if they were not at least slightly demoralised, face the unenviable task of playing another 11 games this season with a depleted, inexperienced roster.
It would seem some of them have little faith in their boss, rookie coach Phil Stubbins.
If this was any other unionised industry, the prospect of stop-work meetings, and ultimately downing tools, would presumably have been raised long ago.
In almost 30 years as a journalist, yours truly has been on strike more times than I can remember.
Recently such action has seemed fairly futile, in terms of what it achieved, but nonetheless inherently satisfying.
It would be unprecedented and inconceivable, especially given Newcastle’s players are following the PFA’s advice.
But imagine if the Jets walked out for Saturday night’s clash with Western Sydney, shook hands with the opposition, then sat down on the sidelines, refusing to play.
Even if it was only a five-minute protest, it would send a united, defiant message that would be noted around the world and remembered for years.
A whole new ball game, so to speak.
Why the PFA have been so piss weak defending their players who have had their rights violated and walked over needs addressing
I swear the PFA could save 1000 kittens from a burning building and you'd still have something negative to say.
The current PFA actions are consistent with what happened at WSW with the players they wanted moved on in January and lasted a month before all bar one departed, same with victory when ange was down there.
Consistently piss weakQuote:
Originally Posted by Pico
They have 4 players who have been wrongfully terminated. The employer has failed to follow due process and pay them out. The employer has then ostracised harassed and bullied the players. The employer has caused the players to be publically humiliated
You treat anyone else that way in this town where a union represents its employees and I guarantee the response from the Union/Employees towards the Employer is a bit more proactive at righting the wrongs.
Don't forget these are the same parasites who rip millions of $$ out of the game in this country to sustain player wages at an unjustifiable level and then scream to high heaven of being violated when they get offered a bonus on top of what they already get to play in another tourney. Money that could be better spent on junior development making clubs profitable etc
Now explain to me why you have time for them??
@JamesGardiner42 · 30m30 minutes ago
BREAKING: Kew Jaliens set to join @MelbourneCity as injury replacement after accepting mutual termination @NewcastleJetsFC @newcastleherald
Kew and Connor.......!!!!!
More importantly when is Griff coming back to play for us???Quote:
Originally Posted by lquiquer
Well I guess that explains why he left us, city offered him a deal and he took it, probably happy to take less dough from us as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by lquiquer
Well done Kew.Quote:
Originally Posted by lquiquer
Very happy he is picking up some game time after the farce he had to face here.
NBN reports Tinks paying more debts, Kew gives up, CEO in place and new signing Boogs.
Is the big man slowly turning the tide?
A quick as the pasha bulkerQuote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Popularity??? NoQuote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Sad thing is we may be stuck with him for a while yet. Some of the shit he is doing actually says he is serious about turning the club around like he claims.
Problem is the methods he is using are winning him no fans at all
Until he sacks Stubbins brings Griff back have no time for him at all regardless if he brings in some big name gun players and we are topping the League.
the tide is forever gone under this pairQuote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Exactly right, no matter what he does to turn the place around from here, no can will ever forget what a complete and utter c@nt he was doing it. People don't forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
He could have achieved the same without the carnage he caused.
Exactly. The season is already gone and he could have waited until then adn got rid of both coach and many of the players who would have simply "not been re-signed"Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
http://www.telstra.com.au/latest_off...-a-league.html
Guys... win tickets to see us play!
win?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
bit like the pokies bet $1 get 20c back = win.
Can't wait to see another $300k lumped on top of Tinks debt, and our salary cap next year too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daily Telegraph
Jeez the new blokes already got the tinks approved speech book. When did we hire Gillard as our spin doctor.Quote:
New Jets leader Mitchell Murphy cuts Stubbins some slack
By JAMES GARDINER
Feb. 17, 2015, 10:30 p.m
PHIL Stubbins will be given the resources and the time to turn the Jets around.
How he performs will determine his future at the club.
Stubbins has overseen one win from 17 games in his first season as an A-League head coach. The Jets sit second last, a point above Western Sydney, who have two games in hand, and are in danger of collecting a second wooden spoon.
Determined to stop the rot, new chief executive Mitchell Murphy listed improving the squad as one of three priorities at his opening press conference on Tuesday.
‘‘Categorically, we need to start focusing on rebuilding our squad for 2015-16 and make sure that week in week out we are super competitive,’’ Murphy said.
‘‘Part of that process is that we undergo thorough due diligence to make sure across the park we have the right player with the right skills and, more importantly, the right attitude.’’
There have been calls, initially from the fans and then the players, for Stubbins to be removed. The flashpoint was a club-worst 7-0 humiliation to Adelaide United last month.
Owner Nathan Tinkler stood firm behind the coach, sacked support staff Clayton Zane, Neil Young and Andrew Packer and moved to terminate the five most senior players, two of whom Stubbins signed.
Since the exits and subsequent appointment of Jim Pascoe, Mark Jones and Jesse Vanstrattan to the staff, the Jets were unlucky to lose 2-1 to Brisbane and drew 1-1 with Western Sydney Wanderers.
Asked if Stubbins was under pressure to retain his position, Murphy said: ‘‘The owner has made it very clear that the coach is going nowhere.
‘‘Phil has a contract for next season and he will be given an opportunity to mould his squad for 2015-16, and then, like any coach in any competition, he will then be judged on results.’’
After signing Daniel Mullen, Lee Ki-je and Travis Cooper (injury replacement) to short-term contracts to fill the gaps, the Jets took their first step towards the future on Monday with the addition of Nigel Boogaard on a three-year deal.
Youth team striker Radovan Pavicevic signed a two-year contract on Tuesday and the club has started talks with Mullen and Lee about extending their stays.
‘‘We need a holistic approach to retention and recruitment,’’ Murphy said.
‘‘The announcement of Nigel Boogaard is a great start.
‘‘We are committed to having local talent in our squad, but it needs more than that.
‘‘Categorically, we would be targeting a marquee. There is no doubt about that.’’
Captain Kew Jaliens agreed to a mutual termination on Monday and Murphy hoped to finalise quickly the exit of Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski, Adrian Madaschi and David Carney.
‘‘I gave a commitment when I walked in the door that I am going to work overtime to try and resolve those matters with those players swiftly,’’ he said.
‘‘Action speaks louder than words. Yesterday we sorted Kew’s situation.
‘‘There is a lot of work to be done ... but it is my desire that we resolve all those issues quickly and amicably. Respectfully, the current situation does not serve the best interests of the club or the players.’’
Jets players and staff are owed superannuation and other entitlements and Tinkler has been put on notice by Football Federation Australia.
‘‘Any potential player, it is human nature and logic that they would want to come to a club that can be perceived as stable,’’ he said. ‘‘That is what we are working towards.
‘‘I can’t do much more than say we have a plan, we have a vision and we are putting processes in place.
‘‘Nigel Boogaard ... obviously believes we are moving forward or he wouldn’t have signed. That is a real springboard to send a message that we are now moving forwards, not backwards.’’
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/28...-slack/?cs=306
I'll be extremely shocked if anyone signs up to be Tinks business partner with his history, the current mood of the membership base, the debts that have been racked up by the club & the FFA's potential license removal still hanging over the head of the club.Quote:
Murphy looking for club co-owner to start sharing the load
By ROBERT DILLON
Feb. 17, 2015, 10:30 p.m
SIX months ago he declared he ‘‘can’t wait’’ to sell the Newcastle Jets, then insisted he was keeping them.
Now Nathan Tinkler appears to be searching for a partner to help pay the bills.
New Jets chief executive Mitchell Murphy said on Tuesday that Tinkler was ‘‘fully committed’’ to the club but had already kicked off the search for a co-owner.
‘‘Publicly I’m not saying anything that is behind closed doors,’’ Murphy said.
‘‘Nathan has publicly said that he has an open mind to entertain a joint venture with a partner or owner.
‘‘I have a mandate with him that we explore those avenues, and we have already started that process. That takes time.
‘‘Again it is complex negotiations. I can tell you transparently that we have begun that process. There are talks – they are preliminary – but there are talks about getting a supporting investor into the club with Nathan.’’
Asked if the preferred alternative was an overseas club or a private investor, Murphy replied: ‘‘It could be either.
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‘‘There are a variety of options. You could form a partnership with an EPL, you could get a private investor, a consortium ... again it could be domestically or abroad.
‘‘Logic says to me that it is probably going to come from abroad.’’
Murphy said most owners of A-League franchises were ‘‘constantly putting their hand in the pocket’’ but was confident the Jets could ultimately become a self-funding operation.
‘‘Melbourne Victory are constantly in profit. We need to understand they have a base of more than 20,000 members.
‘‘My message to the people of the Hunter is simple: the more members we get the easier it will be to make the numbers stack up because it gives us that financial base to work from.
‘‘Is there a business model that can work? If I didn’t think that, I wouldn’t be here.’’
As a business, the Jets needed to ‘‘cut the cloth it can afford’’ and provide their corporate partners with value for money.
‘‘Do I believe we can get this club into the black in the next few years? Yes, I do,’’ he said.
He estimated it would cost Tinkler at least $1million to settle the club’s liabilities.
‘‘My initial reaction is $1million minimum,’’ he said. ‘‘We will probably need more than that, but I need to do due diligence to get an exact figure.’’
His goal was to help transform Newcastle into a club capable of attracting quality players.
‘‘Any potential player, it is human nature and logic that they would want to come to a club that can be perceived as stable,’’ he said. ‘‘That is what we are working towards.
‘‘I can’t do much more than say we have a plan, we have a vision and we are putting processes in place.
‘‘When you look at the calibre of human being that Nigel Boogaard is, he obviously believes we are moving forward or he wouldn’t have signed. That is a real springboard to send a message that we are now moving forwards, not backwards.
‘‘My intention here is not to keep dwelling on what has happened. We have to say this is where we are heading and we have to get on with that job.’’
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/28...e-load/?cs=306
Just when I feared the FFA might be running out of ammo, Tinks normal service resumes, clearly explains the sudden wish of a co-owner / consortium.Quote:
Players go unpaid as ATO seizes Tinkler revenue stream
By ROBERT DILLON
Feb. 17, 2015, 10:30 p.m
THE pressure on Nathan Tinkler intensified on Tuesday when it emerged the Australian Tax Office had stepped in to seize the Football Federation Australia funding used to pay Newcastle Jets players.
All A-League clubs receive a $2.55 million grant each year from FFA, in 12 instalments, to cover player wages.
Newcastle’s employees are supposed to be paid every month on the 15th.
This month the 15th fell on a Sunday, but rather than pay on Friday, Jets officials said the cash would be deposited on Monday.
But by Tuesday night the salaries still had not arrived.
FFA officials said on Tuesday night that they had received assurances from Jets officials that players and staff would receive their money within 24 hours.
Speaking to the media for the first time since joining the Jets, new chief executive Mitchell Murphy sought to explain the delay.
‘‘There is an issue with the ATO, not just the Jets, but with Nathan’s companies,’’ Murphy said.
‘‘Our legal team are talking daily with the ATO.
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‘‘While I can’t put a definitive date on it, what I can say is that those talks are progressing, and progressing well.
‘‘We would hope to have that garnishee order removed in the very near future.’’
The ATO intervention has put further financial strain on Tinkler, who was warned by FFA chief executive David Gallop last week that he had ‘‘a matter of days’’ to settle a host of long-overdue liabilities, in particular an estimated $400,000 in unpaid employee superannuation.
Asked on Tuesday morning if he could guarantee Newcastle’s players would be paid by close of business, Murphy replied: ‘‘To the best of my knowledge the answer is yes. I will know more during the course of the day.’’
But a Professional Footballers Australia spokesman said on Tuesday night that players had not received their salaries.
‘‘The PFA has been in constant contact with its members and can confirm to date they have still not been paid,’’ he said.
‘‘PFA made numerous attempts to contact the club regarding the situation, however, they have been non-responsive.
‘‘Unless the situation is remedied immediately, PFA will consider its legal options.’’
In a statement, a spokesman for governing body FFA declined to comment about the garnishee order but reiterated its desire for Tinkler to honour his obligations.
“It’s a matter for the Newcastle Jets to comment on their particular position in relation to the ATO, but FFA is satisfied with its level of knowledge of the club’s situation,’’ he said.
“That remains at a critical point where undertakings in relation to clearing liabilities need to be fulfilled in the coming days.”
It is not the first time the ATO has moved to garnish the income streams on which Tinkler relies to fund his sporting teams.
It is understood that during his final months as owner of the Newcastle Knights, the ATO tried to seize the club’s $650,000 monthly grant from the NRL.
But by then NRL officials were already withholding the funding because they believed Tinkler’s Hunter Sports Group was in breach of the terms and conditions of the franchise licence.
Murphy said he had been ‘‘in constant dialogue’’ with FFA about resolving the myriad issues relating to the Jets’ debts.
‘‘In my discussions with FFA, I can categorically say they want to work with us to make sure this club survives and is strong,’’ he said.
‘‘I don’t have a definitive date on every specific liability, but I do know that the clock is ticking.
‘‘They want to see some action and I have to demonstrate this week that we are taking steps to resolve those matters.’’
As well as paying the players on Newcastle’s roster, Tinkler is still to finalise severance deals with four of the five players he sacked and two of the three members of the coaching staff he discarded.
In the case of former Socceroo David Carney and former assistant coach Clayton Zane, they both have more than 12 months remaining on the contracts Tinkler is intent on terminating.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/28...stream/?cs=306
Uncle Norman must have turned off the tap.
Hopefully the show cause period will expire soon and the FFA can begin the next process of freeing us from this cancer.
If this isn't cause enough for the FFA to revoke the licence, I don't know what is! They're giving him money specifically to pay players, that he is not even paying the players with!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pico
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qty_6JqsWNAQuote:
‘‘I don’t have a definitive date on every specific liability, but I do know that the clock is ticking.
So the only question now who is dj jazzy jeff?
If this happens and we have to pay him out, then tinkler gets the boot from FFA, will they include that next years cap?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pico
I'd imagine if Tinkler is not the owner next season, they won't hold a new owner accountable for Tinklers errors.
So the new CEO wants us to vote with our feet? I believe that's what happened last Saturday with our lowest crowd in a long time champ.
Heard him say something about taking pot shots from the sideline won't help anybody. Well, I've paid my money and I reserve the right to take shots at whoever is deemed culpable.
It's this arrogane and sense of divine right to more members that really gets under my skin with this management. You have to earn trust in every walk of life, and Tinkler has shattered any illusion we may have had.
In conclusion, GTFO
agree, although not quite at GTFO stage just yet :)Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfMan
brilliant! I think we all agree that more members means more money. how about acknowledging the complete shit we pay to watch both on and off the field? god, this guy should be out there grovelling at the feet of members thanking them for still being here. you want 20,000 members? how about starting with ensuring that the majority of current members come back next year by getting this shit sorted!Quote:
‘‘My message to the people of the Hunter is simple: the more members we get the easier it will be to make the numbers stack up because it gives us that financial base to work from.
‘‘Is there a business model that can work? If I didn’t think that, I wouldn’t be here.’’
To clarify, my GTFO was directed towards Tinkler, not Murphy… yet…
Newcastle Jets @NewcastleJetsFC · 38m38 minutes ago
Carney is a mad dog
???? :wtf:
Newcastle JetsQuote:
Originally Posted by lquiquer
@NewcastleJetsFC
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