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I agree. I wan't aware of the history of the Brisbane club being dutch and directly linked through those teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Does seem like double standards. Seems like the FFA policy is "It's okay if the country is from Western Europe".
I am aware of that policy. How is the policy to be abolished when the FFA prevented the Knights from wearing the shirt by making up some rule that it had to be an existing sponsor for the NPL on the shirt to **** them over??Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Pretty certain the FFA will once again tighten the rules next year to make sure they can't try to use some loop hole in future.
As for their legal action the club are taking haven't seen something so laughable since the NT quoted the Geneva Convention.
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Melbourne Knights FC can confirm the following events in order to explain the absence of a confirmed major sponsor and their appearance on the front of the Westfield FFA Cup shirt as announced here.
After submitting the kits to FFA more than two weeks before the club’s FFA Cup match against Olympic FC, the governing body questioned three of our four kit sponsors on the basis of the National Club Identity Policy, namely Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club Inc., Australian Croatian Association Melbourne and Australian Croatian Association Geelong.
After communication between the Club and the FFA, the club demonstrated that FFA Cup major sponsor Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club Inc. is acceptable under The National Club Identity Policy (NCIP). The federation then released a memo on Thursday 24th July (five days before the match) stating that they would “only approve a Club’s Playing Strip as it appeared in their Member Federation 2014 league or cup competition, at the time of qualification to the Westfield FFA Cup 2014.”
The memo, which was sent to CEOs of the respective state governing bodies by head of the Hyundai A-League Damien de Bohun, said the late rule change was due to “the context of this approval process, consideration has been given to the cost and timing issues involved in producing replacement or alternate Playing Strips for the Westfield FFA Cup 2014.”
Melbourne Knights FC Club Secretary Melinda Cimera wrote to FFA when submitting the ‘league kits’, which the Club was coerced and pressured into; “The National Club Identity Policy and your enforcement of it to deny a Club valuable financial support clearly demonstrates the failure of your vision of an assimilated football community, which fundamentally denies the reality of the game in this country,” Ms Cimera said.
Following the match, Melbourne Knights FC Vice President Pave Jusup lodged an official complaint to the Human Rights Commission under the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 regarding the National Club Identity Policy which was accepted by the Commission and has been referred to the FFA for justification to the Commission.
Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club Inc. President Ange Cimera also lodged an official complaint to the Human Rights Commission under the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 regarding the attempted application of the National Club Identity Policy against Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club and the maneuvering by FFA to prevent the club from supporting the Melbourne Knights Football Club by way of sponsorship branding. The Commission accepted the complaint and referred the complaint to the FFA.
Both complaints have been referred to the FFA who were given 21 days in which to respond as of a few days ago.
Melbourne Knights FC intends to see out the process handled by the Human Rights Commission in the hope of a resolution.
Failing that, the Club has already retained legal representation and is ready to challenge the FFA’s National Club Identity Policy in the Federal Circuit Court.
Should that situation eventuate, Melbourne Knights Football Club will call an Extraordinary General Meeting of all members to give more detailed information about the situation.
In the meantime, the Club’s FFA Cup specific web store, run by our Apparel Partner Macron, is now online and is ready to take orders from tomorrow onwards. The FFA Cup kits are able to be branded to have your preferred number and surname printed on the back of the shirt as part of the price which will be activated tomorrow afternoon.
Wolves wear Old Gold my friend, and don't you 'effin forget it! ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by howardyou
Orange is the colour of the Dutch royal family.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
There's no green and gold in our flag but they are clearly "Aussie" colours.
The fact that this change can even generate such debate against the policy shows how poorly thought out it was.
If it's about protecting the image of the game and stopping negative ethnic influences then make a policy based on certain behaviours, don't word the policy in way that means the eastern European backed clubs have no wiggle room to make changes unless your planning to enforce the same strictness on all clubs.
How can the FFA let the roar make these changes but then quash anything another club plans to do?
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Originally Posted by GazFish35
They should just start their own comp. Probably only cost them several million.
then they can wear whatever the **** they want.
Simple really.
What would the differing demographics of ethnicity of say the Roar membership be?? Reckon the 10k or so members they have they would be lucky to have 1% of them being Dutch Australian/DutchQuote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
Compare that with say the membership base of Melbourne Knights.
Reckon the base of their support would be conservatively 80-90% who are Croatian Australian /Croatian.
I would say any issues coming from the Melbourne Knights pushing the ethnicity angle would be based on the ethnicity of the overwhelming majority of their support
I would also say that these issues in relation to Roar have **** all to do with the ethnicity of their support as the Dutch are so far in the minority they are irrelevant
But how come a club of Dutch heritage is cool to pay homage to its history yet one of Croatian heritage can't?
Because the Croatian club is a shit stirring and looking for an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
But they can can't they? Just not in the way they would prefer.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Does the club identity policy mention anything to do with the ethnic make up of the club's membership? Or is it yet another "one size fits all" policy the FFA are rolling out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
If a policy is indeed a policy surely it needs to uniformly enforced. Brisbane have Dutch links, tenuous maybe, but they are there. Unless the policy dictates "levels of ethnicity" before the policy applies to your club then the policy needs to be applied to the roar in the same way as the knights or South Melbourne or magic or west wallsend.
It's not ethnicity that's the issue - it's ****wits - target anti-social behaviours, not ethnicity.
The policy doesn't target ethnicity. The FFA have spent the last 9 years keeping ethnicity out of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
I think you will find the only ones wishing to bring ethnicity into the football sphere again is Melbourne Knights.
Ethnicity has nothing to do with football. The FFA are well within their rights to keep it out of the game. The condemnation from people should be directed squarely at the Knights who wish to use the football club to celebrate Croatian Nationalistic values
Could it be as simple as the policy does not apply to HAL teams as they are franchise businesses not social/member sporting clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
It should also be noted that at no point in the roar press release does it claim any Dutch origins for the decisions, at no point on their website do they lay claim to the lions clubs heritage, in fact they specifically claim that they were formed in 2005. The irony is that its only rival fans who insist that the roar are the lions and hence have to forever take forward their baggage.
Just not in the way that other ethnicities can.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
But said HAL franchises play in a professional comp (FFA Cup) alongside those other clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pico
I think you're focusing too much on the example of the Roar here. As Gaz said, the fact that these links and arguments can be so "easily" made shows the policy for what it is.
:rof: at MFAW who thinks MK are the only ethnic club, and Croatia the only ethnic nation, wanting in on the national scene.
MFAW - you may laugh at the legal case MK are putting together but what they have that the NT/Geneva convention didn't have was acceptance of their issue already, as seen in what you posted:
MK led the charge for the bs that happened regarding the NPLV, and won. It wasn't solely their issue, but they were the face of the fight. The same is happening here - I think you'll find many other ethnic clubs of varying ethnic bases will rally behind the Knights and the FFA will be deemed to be racist, will be forced to remove the NCIP, and clubs will be free to represent their ethnicity how they choose.Quote:
Melbourne Knights FC Vice President Pave Jusup lodged an official complaint to the Human Rights Commission under the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 regarding the National Club Identity Policy which was accepted by the Commission and has been referred to the FFA for justification to the Commission.
The issue from here is when your South Melbournes etc come through with legitimate, undeniable bids to expand the HAL, the FFA will hold a grudge against them and choose not to include them. But that's nothing new - they've been doing that since HAL inception.
The other issue is they target ethnics because they generalized that ethnics = anti-social behaviour. Which we all know isn't the case, because we know that dickheadry = anti-social behaviour. The fact that the FFA have gone and created this sh*tstorm tells me that when the NCIP is abolished, there will be backlash for sure.
I eagerly anticipate listening in on the stream of the next SU58 FFA Cup game :rof:
What does it target then? The policy says ...... "provided that these components do not carry any ethnic, national, political, racial or religious connotations either in isolation or combination"Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I can see how the knights breached the policy, no argument, but I can also see how a white prancing lion on an all orange badge breaches the policy too.
That's the issue, the policy can't be enforced fairly.
The policy targets keeping ethnicity and Football as two separate entities.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
Just like the old chestnut sports and politics shouldn't mix etc
To me the Roar issue is drawing a rather long bow to claim the ethnic line.
Orange has been a key component of their image since they ditched that horrid maroon orange white farce they originally had when the HAL started.
The Lion has always been a part of their image since day 1 of the HAL.
To claim this evolution of their image it is ethnically aligned is drawing a really long bow when these elements have been a key part of their image for a while now
Just because the humans rights panel have accepted the claims they have presented doesn't mean they are ANY certainties to win their case. Their are two sides to every argument and this panel has heard one side. It is now up to the FFA to respond and put forward their position.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
As for your claims they are targeting ethnics.
Can someone explain to me why a football club in a multicultural country needs to be revolve around and identify as one particular ethnic group at the expense of the 200 or so other nationalities that form this country??
A forward thinking club would be looking to expand and diversify its base to include all peoples yet you have this particularly club that wishes to actually try and make itself more of an ethnically revolved entity than what it currently is.
As for MK's efforts to get changes to the NPL stopped well some of those changes have since gone through in other states without issues. Being the ring leader to harness the fears of change to garner support is more of a reflection of their attitude to the game in this country. Considering their club would probably be strong enough and big enough to adapt and prosper under the changes what exactly are their motivations to prevent something that is going to provide their club with opportunities to prosper??
FTR I fail to see how MK breached the policy with their FFA Cup kits. In history, Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club have contributed more to MK, and football in Australia, then I daresay any other sponsor featured on an FFA Cup kit.
As MFAW's post showed, the sponsor was accepted and approved as a legitimate sponsor:
And the note from the NCIP on the issue (clause 4):Quote:
After communication between the Club and the FFA, the club demonstrated that FFA Cup major sponsor Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club Inc. is acceptable under The National Club Identity Policy (NCIP). The federation then released a memo on Thursday 24th July (five days before the match) stating that they would “only approve a Club’s Playing Strip as it appeared in their Member Federation 2014 league or cup competition, at the time of qualification to the Westfield FFA Cup 2014.”
So Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club was approved to be a legitimate sponsor, but the reason the FFA originally gave for not allowing MK to have them on their kits was they wouldn't allow new kits, and new sponsors, for "any" team for the FFA Cup (but let's ignore the fact that Brisbane Strikers had a new kit with new sponsors for it, shall we FFA?).Quote:
A Club must not use, advertise or promote (or permit any other person or entity to use, advertise or promote) any ethnic, racial, religious or political identifiers in connection or association with the Club. The prohibition in this clause 4 does not apply to the legitimate promotion of a Club Sponsor or the use of a name, logo or emblem that has been approved in accordance with clause 3.
Let's think about this for a second though - the FFA originally told MK that no new sponsors would be allowed on kits for the Cup. Imagine you're Broadmeadow Magic, you go to, for example, Centennial Coal and say "hey, we're on the telly box next week for the FFA Cup. Sponsor us" and Centennial Coal say "wow, that exposure. We will give you $10k to put our logo on your jersey". Sounds like the ideal situation, right? An extra sponsorship for a one-off game, you can use those funds to hire caterers or maybe invest back into facilities or grassroots or whatever. And the FFA claim that it is not allowed, and will be prevented from happening? You wot m8? That actually sounds like the opposite of what the FFA would want to happen. If that hypothetical sponsorship thing happened, the FFA should be doing fxxxing backflips that they've created something from nothing (the cup) and the game is growing because of it.
So then after all that, the FFA a week or two later said "nah, it was the NCIP that stopped MK from doing it".
So tl;dr - FFA approve sponsor, say it passes the NCIP. FFA deny MK to use sponsor, say not allowed new kits and sponsors even though other teams had new kits and sponsors. FFA then said breached NCIP. Horsesh*t the lot of it.
TIL: MFAW wants to change the name of ChinaTown to AustraliaTown
FFA run the game in this country. It is their prerogative to keep all matters of race religion etc completely out of the game. Their prerogative and rightfully so.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
The change to the landscape and perception of this code has changed drastically thanks to the FFA by removing the ethnic lines it was once run upon. MK wish to go back to this way of being and wish to be as disruptive influence due to feeling wronged at the changes.
Very little stopping the MK from being non affiliated with the FFA ie join a church league or set up their own league where they have nothing to do with FFA at all and can be as racially orientated as they like.
You talk about their contribution to the game in this country but lets not forget the negative influence they had to hold the game back for 30 years whilst they ran their own race and did things their way and refused to broaden their club which was proved an epic failure.
you are so right. migrant groups shouldnt be allowed to gather under a common guise and support each other. if they do, once the rest of us reckon theyve had long enough to get used to living in a new country they should all forget their ancestory and fully assimilate then we can all be like each other and live in mono-cultural world.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
if a club wants to saty insular and not prosper, tan that should be their choice.
if they wish to allow their fans to be violent dickheaeds, target that, not the clubs non-anglo roots
andrew stabber marth is the most fair-dinkum aussie legend out, look at his nickname ffs, and he's the coach of melbourne craysha
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Originally Posted by GazFish35
As for the FFA targeting non anglo roots they ain't targeting for a start. The targeting has been done already and the FFA are more preserving the current status on ethnicity being involved in the game. The targeting was also done back in the days of the Soccer Australia under David Hill when Melbourne Croatia and co had plenty of power to prevent it and did little to stop it then.
Most of the targeting though was done and carried out in time of the demise of the NSL set up of HAL so it ain't like Lowy and co have done anything lately of note.
There is nothing stopping migrant groups in this country coming together under a common guise to support one another hence why Melbourne Knights have a social club called the Croatian Club where one would imagine all things Croatian are celebrated.
The FFA as overseers of football in this country are just not allowing the game to be used as an avenue to support this type of thing.
As mentioned earlier nothing stopping the MK setting up their own comp with other disenfranchised clubs or joining a church league where they don't have to put up with anything the FFA want.
Their prerogative what they do.
Despite this option they willingly choose to join an FFA/FFV run comp and then moan about the rules in place.
Go Figure
sweet, so by your logic because it was done by someone else and they're just maintaining the satus quo, this policy isnt their doing.
past errors need not be repeated, nor ideiologies form the past be lived out in the present.
the policy is that a club "identity" can not be linked to enthnicity etc etc, explain how the orange and lion does not link to the clubs dutch heriatge without saying "but they arent very dutch anymore"
if you can apply the policy to all clubs then its nothing but greay area.
Don't think you chose the best set of words here as allowing clubs to celebrate ethnicity would be an example of thisQuote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
As for the colours of the Roar since when have the Queensland Roar/ Brisbane Roar the club in question (not any former Brisbane entities in the NSL) ever been Dutch???
Last I looked they were owned by someone from Sth East Asia
Indonesians, funny thing about Indonesia, it is a former Dutch Colony. Something the wealthy Indonesian families (i.e. The bakries) know all too well, and were rather fond of since its when they made their money...Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Achmad Bakrie founded the ownership group in 1942, shortly after which the dutch lost control. At any rate, any potential "dutch" links to the club, would be rather attractive to the group.
think this thread needs to be renamed as "geo-political and sociological impacts on world football"
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Originally Posted by MFKS
Key word was "errors" celebrating your heritage should never be seen as an error.
Qld roar original board evolved out of hollandia-inala.
It's why they were orange, and had a lion right from the start.
The same way we recognise our pre-aleague history, you can't ignore the history of other clubs.
The policy is trying to eliminate ethnic references from the clubs. Why is ethnicity bad?
If the policy is to implemented it must be implemented uniformly. There's no shades of grey here, both clubs have links to an "ethnic" history.
Melbourne knights may well have an image problem, but that's not due to their strong links to Croatia, it's due to supporters behaving a certain way.
It's lazy to suggest the behaviours exist due to their ethnicity so all ethnicity identifiers must be removed.... And it's poor form the impose the policy on some clubs and not others.
krappa have outdone themselves with the scum kits this year.
At least they don't clash with themselves.
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I poked me head into Charlestown Rebel Sport yesterday, you think there was any Jets gear there?
Not a fecking thing Jets related, plenty of dog molesters gear and a few Euro shirts, the only thing A-League was a hand full of FC & WSW shirts. Absolute disc race.
Attenzione: MFAW and others who were interested.
Below is a picture from the team photoshoot yesterday, provided by The Herald (plz link Couscous) with an article about Kanta.
It shows normal blue socks, with gold on them. So no navy socks!
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I was aware we were not playing in the Navy socks in the HAL.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
My main gripe is why are we playing in the things in pre season. They look ****ing hideous
Surely our Made in China mates can make ****ing blue socks or our club can be capable of organising an order of appropriate coloured socks.
Not rocket science
I guess it doesn't matter anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
That's not the attitude required WLG :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
It is that half arsed who cares doesn't matter attitude that permeates through the club and sees us be constantly shit at everything and more importantly sees our GK's where ****ing Gypo colours :sparring: FFS
As you all know, I've emailed the club and asked Robbie Middleby direct countless times why this is the case. It's not like I haven't tried to rectify the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
We are not holding you responsible. You are fighting the good fight keeping them honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
We all know where the blame lies.
Management are sailing a rudderless ship with no idea of how to get where we wish to go
Some interesting discussions over at Your Herald (why not register with the site and join the local conversation?):Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
^ What's all that about Steele and trouble?Quote:
Steele wont finish the season and Is more trouble than what he is worth, you'll see...
And how can Steele be his replacement when he was signed before Goodwin left??
If the jets let Goodwin go and then signed someone better or even equally as good as him, then fair play.. But at the moment they haven't signed anyone, and even if Stubbins didn't like like him but just kept him In the squad for when numbers get low or to even throw him on the bench if desperate, it would be better than just letting him go for no reason..
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Steele came over for a holiday and a party. He'd heard of the likes of Vidosic, etc on the dingas constantly and wanted in on it. Timmy Cahill and Carney talked him into it too.
Then he got here, and realised how "professional" the club was and what he would have to deal with for the next 2 years and realised he had made a horrible mistake.
Rightio You want to keep this shit up everyone **** linking to their site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Couscous
First person everyday goes to their site and pastes the articles in the Daily News thread and then the rest of us avoid going there at all and they miss out on their advertising revenue from hits garnered.
**** off with your Herald loving spam couscous
i actually liked the navy socks
as for that complete yellow goal keeper kit.......
the navy one with the gold lettering and numbering though from last season :wub:
The jade one from last season >>>>>>>>>>>> any otherQuote:
Originally Posted by BodyNovo