2015 Zone Premier League thread

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Originally Posted by Nou Camp

a referee inspector at the suns games yesterday mentioned that if the first leg of semis are washed out that the teams who finished 1 & 2will go straight to the GF, there wont be a 1 off game for the semis
said the rules were changed this year?

anyone know anything about this???

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Id be surprised. Last year the rules were that if the first leg was washed out it would be a 1 off game to go to GF. If the first leg was played and the second leg washed out then whoever finished higher on the table would go through to the GF (regardless of first leg result). We only knew that because at New Lambton we were 3-1 down from the first leg against Cooks Hill and Alder Park got washed out for the second leg. We ended up having to chase around to try and find a ground that was playable (thankfully Dudley helped us out). We lost a shitload in canteen and beers sales and cost to hire their ground but obviously it was the right thing to do to do whatever we could to make sure the winner got through to the GF on merit.

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Originally Posted by Donk

Ha ha ha pulled your self up on it as well

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Originally Posted by Nou Camp

haha
I was going to message you this today

great result considering we were 10 rounds ago
no players get paid or rego paid for (even had players leave before the season started because they wouldnt get either)
used at least 25 different players in first grade due to injuries

looking forward to Swansea this weekend

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Yes yes It wasn't enjoyable at all!

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Originally Posted by idontwannaplaywithhowey

Id be surprised. Last year the rules were that if the first leg was washed out it would be a 1 off game to go to GF. If the first leg was played and the second leg washed out then whoever finished higher on the table would go through to the GF (regardless of first leg result). We only knew that because at New Lambton we were 3-1 down from the first leg against Cooks Hill and Alder Park got washed out for the second leg. We ended up having to chase around to try and find a ground that was playable (thankfully Dudley helped us out). We lost a shitload in canteen and beers sales and cost to hire their ground but obviously it was the right thing to do to do whatever we could to make sure the winner got through to the GF on merit.

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Well interesting enough I cannot find anything about it on the rules and regs on newcastle football!

Sorry for the formatting but this is copy pasted from Regulation E 2015

In the event of a washout in the Finals Series the following Rules shall apply:-
(a) Rule E 24 (d) and (e) shall apply as the overarching Rules for such a situation:
Notwithstanding any other Regulations on the same subject matter, the Zone
Association ZFL Competition Administrator reserves the right to alter or amend
any Fixture after it has been nominated in the Official Fixtures List. Such alterations could be to the date, venue, kick-off times or a combination of
all, providing the Clubs involved are given seven (7) days prior notice,
whenever possible
The Zone Association ZFL Competition Administrator has the power to
abandon any Fixture and organise any other Fixture if he/she deems such
action necessary in the interests of the Finals Series Competition.
(b) In the event of a complete or major washout in any one set of Finals Series
Fixtures, the Zone Association ZFL Competition Administrator may seek to put
the season back one (1) week IF THIS IS POSSIBLE.
(c) Efforts will be made by the Zone Association ZFL Competition Administrator to
re-locate or re-schedule washed out Finals Series Matches to a suitable venue
if the original venue is washed out.
(d) If it is not possible to achieve any of the outcomes in E 30 (a), (b) or (c), the
Zone Association ZFL Competition Administrator may declare the Finals Series
event for a specific grade or for all grades to be CANCELLED.
(e) In the event of the CANCELLATION of ONE leg of the home and away two leg
SEMI-FINAL Matches, the Winners of the two single leg Semi-Final Matches
played shall qualify to play in the GRAND FINAL Match whilst the Losers of the
two single leg Semi-Final Matches played shall be eliminated.
In the event of a score draw in a single leg Semi-Final Match, the home and
away goals Rule (2 for an away goal, 1 for a home goal) will be used to
determine the Winner (to proceed to the Grand Final) and the Loser (to be
eliminated).
In the event of a scoreless draw in a single leg Semi-Final Match, the Zone
Association ZFL Competition Administrator shall arrange for a play-off Match
between the two Teams to take place during the week following the drawn
Match. If at the end of normal time in this Match the Teams are still locked in a
scoreless draw, Rule E 09 (b) (3) shall be used to find the Winner – extra time +
penalty kick decider if required (for First Grade only); penalty kick decider (for
Reserve and Third Grade).
In the event of the CANCELLATION of BOTH legs of the home and away two leg
SEMI-FINAL Matches, the Teams placed in positions 1 and 2 on the
Competition ladder shall qualify to play-off in the GRAND FINAL; the Teams
placed in positions 3 and 4 on the Competition ladder will be eliminated.
(f) In the event of the CANCELLATION of the GRAND FINAL Match, the Grand
Final round for that Division/Grade shall be declared NULL AND VOID and the
Competition shall be declared COMPLETED. No Grand Final Winner or Grand
Finalist (Grand Final Runner-Up) shall be declared since no Match has been
played.

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Originally Posted by footballfan

I guess nearly everyone was right about Swansea also?

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and Cardiff, good result after finishing at the bottom last year.......

Heard Mayf very poor finish to the season cost them... good luck to the reserves and thirds!

WFC ZL
If that is right and appears so, why does the lower finishing team get the first leg of the finals? Not a question to you directly but for everyone. Would it not make sense that the higher qualified team gets first home ground advantage?

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Originally Posted by Charman

WFC ZL
If that is right and appears so, why does the lower finishing team get the first leg of the finals? Not a question to you directly but for everyone. Would it not make sense that the higher qualified team gets first home ground advantage?

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return leg may have extra time and pens which could be an advantage in the 2nd game

Predictions?

Cardiff No2 today
3rds
Dud v Uni 1--1
res
Bero v Uni 0--3
1st
Cardiff v Bero 0--0

Good result for the Tigers, Bero will be nervous, tough gig to win on the postage stamp next week but I'm backing the diff, glory glory

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Good result for the Tigers, Bero will be nervous, tough gig to win on the postage stamp next week but I'm backing the diff, glory glory

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would be more confident of them winning if they were playing southy.Very ordinary game today but I think Bero can and need to lift more and they will have a lot of crowd support

Time will tell, thanks for mentioning the gunners cock face

Just got word on the street that there is going to be police at Chapman oval tomorrow at 115,

Police are afraid Dudley reserve grade boys are about to murder Mayfield

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Time will tell, thanks for mentioning the gunners cock face

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I didn't mention the gunners cockface -didn't know they had one but I guess that it must be you

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Good result for the Tigers, Bero will be nervous, tough gig to win on the postage stamp next week but I'm backing the diff, glory glory

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Up the Tigers! The bero ball bags were lucky to come away with the draw against us today. Will be a hard game next week on your child sized field but victory shall be ours

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Originally Posted by Dudleyman

Just got word on the street that there is going to be police at Chapman oval tomorrow at 115,

Police are afraid Dudley reserve grade boys are about to murder Mayfield

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id have the boys in blue there regardless. After what I saw last week I don't think mayf are welcome back in Swansea

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Originally Posted by outsider

would be more confident of them winning if they were playing southy.Very ordinary game today but I think Bero can and need to lift more and they will have a lot of crowd support

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Is this referee humour ? FFS your doin your counterparts no favours

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Originally Posted by outsider

I didn't mention the gunners cockface -didn't know they had one but I guess that it must be you

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Well you did as the gunners are Southy, but back to the real story, Bero struggled on the big park today, Tigers have a bit more improvement yet to go, maybe Bero on there ground might be different, cant wait until sunday, game on.........

Updates

First grade Suns won 1-0 in an entertaining match. Not sure of other grades..

Unfortunately the police did not show up Chapman Oval this afternoon and murder was committed.
The Dudley boys got up 2-0 against Mayfield,
Dudley boys looking strong.

From the third grade lads at mayfield hope the G/k from Berro is doing ok hope to see you back on the pitch real soon scary seeing you in situation we hope the tickers alright all the best to you and your family mate.

Just like to thank everyone for a great day of football at CCFC.
Imo
3rds Dudley v Uni
Dudley played well and Uni just couldn't seem to put it together but a late goal made it interesting.
Big unit at back for Duds killed it!
Res
Uni outplayed Bero but second half was interesting.
Not over yet!
1st
Bero had all there players back and so did CCFC so it was no excuses.
There was some absolutely ding dong battles between a few guys.
Archie v Eefy
Blakey and Merkel.
Coops and Burty
Etc
I'd just like to tilt my hat to all four clubs for an enjoyable day and everyone played in great spirit

In the thirds game on Saturday (Dudley v Uni) Dudley pulled the spectacular move of substituting 2 players in the first 10 seconds of the match.

No doubt there are "reasons"...and I would love to have someone from Dudley explain it...but its three times in three finals series over several years that I have seen Dudley do this, so you will have trouble convincing me.

All I can say is it looks bad, it stinks, :redcard:, and its the sort of move that gives Dudley their well deserved Grub status....

If I was one of those players substituted I would have been pissed, and certainly wouldn't be playing there next season.

But maybe there is a genuine reason ?:popcorn:

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Originally Posted by Phoenix12

In the thirds game on Saturday (Dudley v Uni) Dudley pulled the spectacular move of substituting 2 players in the first 10 seconds of the match. No doubt there are "reasons"...and I would love to have someone from Dudley explain it...

All I can say is it looks bad, it stinks, and its that sort of move that gives Dudley there well deserved Grub status.

If I was one of those players I would have been pissed right royally.

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Ahhh my favourite qualification issue, well as all the clubs have allowed this and did not respond earlier when the email was sent outlining the 66% bullshit, etc..
There was also no questioning of the decree by Management, that if you don't qualify to start, you can still come off the bench :wtf: read the rules and tell me what it says, sure doesn't say you can come off the bench, even the refs at the ground agreed, but there job is not enforce the associations regulations.

the bed is now made lie in it.

Dudley technically have done nothing wrong, only using the rules as they have ......but if your from Uni, wasn't your 1st grade midfielder on the bench in reggies?? the skinny red headed kid....I've only seen Uni 1st grade play a few times and he played 1st every time.....and as one punter said to me, have a look at this kid he can play, he's there best, so i'm going to assume he played 1st all year....

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Originally Posted by Phoenix12

In the thirds game on Saturday (Dudley v Uni) Dudley pulled the spectacular move of substituting 2 players in the first 10 seconds of the match.

No doubt there are "reasons"...and I would love to have someone from Dudley explain it...but its three times in three finals series over several years that I have seen Dudley do this, so you will have trouble convincing me.

All I can say is it looks bad, it stinks, :redcard:, and its the sort of move that gives Dudley their well deserved Grub status....

If I was one of those players substituted I would have been pissed, and certainly wouldn't be playing there next season.

But maybe there is a genuine reason ?:popcorn:

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They could be all age players as well I believe that they can play up but can't start if they are not dual registered

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Originally Posted by Jardelsimage

Ahhh my favourite qualification issue, well as all the clubs have allowed this and did not respond earlier when the email was sent outlining the 66% bullshit, etc..
There was also no questioning of the decree by Management, that if you don't qualify to start, you can still come off the bench :wtf: read the rules and tell me what it says, sure doesn't say you can come off the bench, even the refs at the ground agreed, but there job is not enforce the associations regulations.

the bed is now made lie in it.

Dudley technically have done nothing wrong, only using the rules as they have ......but if your from Uni, wasn't your 1st grade midfielder on the bench in reggies?? the skinny red headed kid....I've only seen Uni 1st grade play a few times and he played 1st every time.....and as one punter said to me, have a look at this kid he can play, he's there best, so i'm going to assume he played 1st all year....

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Well said Jardel. Rules will always be (or attempt to be) exploited. Let's just hope that the minority who do this is very very small.

In regards to the uni player mentioned, I believe he has played roughly a third of his games in firsts with the remainder being in res or being injured. He has been out for most of the last month, only returning this week, hence being on the bench on the weekend (and not being used I might add).

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Originally Posted by Hotline

Well said Jardel. Rules will always be (or attempt to be) exploited. Let's just hope that the minority who do this is very very small.

In regards to the uni player mentioned, I believe he has played roughly a third of his games in firsts with the remainder being in res or being injured. He has been out for most of the last month, only returning this week, hence being on the bench on the weekend (and not being used I might add).

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Exactly....the bloke has been away with work and family commitments, has been injured and has played in both reserves and firsts this year..... so well and truly qualified, and having represented the club in different grades and times throughout the year. AND WAS NOT USED.....AND IS ONE OF OUR BEST MIDFIELDERS...

Honestly, the fact that its in the rules is fine..... However, the Moral compass is way off... once again though their could be a good reason for lowering yourself to that position, and making your club and its name the pariah of the competition...but I seriously doubt it.

I know one thing....Uni (and the vast majority of other clubs) would never demean their players like that. Can you imagine being that bloke being subbed out ?...I would refuse to take the field if I knew it was going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Donk

They could be all age players as well I believe that they can play up but can't start if they are not dual registered

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Yes that is one possibility... Cheers for that. As I did say...There could be very valid reasons....but I can tell you now, the whole Dudley bench and supporters were very low key and would not return comments at the time....IMO - that tells me that they knew what the outcome would be, what would be said, what would be thought, and that it wasn't going to be positive.

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Originally Posted by Shere Khan

Just like to thank everyone for a great day of football at CCFC.
Imo
3rds Dudley v Uni
Dudley played well and Uni just couldn't seem to put it together but a late goal made it interesting.
Big unit at back for Duds killed it!
Res
Uni outplayed Bero but second half was interesting.
Not over yet!
1st
Bero had all there players back and so did CCFC so it was no excuses.
There was some absolutely ding dong battles between a few guys.
Archie v Eefy
Blakey and Merkel.
Coops and Burty
Etc
I'd just like to tilt my hat to all four clubs for an enjoyable day and everyone played in great spirit

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I predicted that Bero would not make the GF.... Too many people thinking they were unbeatable....A loss in the last round, a draw on a big pitch against the 4th in the comp...now to see Cardiff come out and win.... my prediction is 2-1 to the Tigers in the return leg at Bero.....

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Originally Posted by Phoenix12

Exactly....the bloke has been away with work and family commitments, has been injured and has played in both reserves and firsts this year..... so well and truly qualified, and having represented the club in different grades and times throughout the year. AND WAS NOT USED.....AND IS ONE OF OUR BEST MIDFIELDERS...

Honestly, the fact that its in the rules is fine..... However, the Moral compass is way off... once again though their could be a good reason for lowering yourself to that position, and making your club and its name the pariah of the competition...but I seriously doubt it.

I know one thing....Uni (and the vast majority of other clubs) would never demean their players like that. Can you imagine being that bloke being subbed out ?...I would refuse to take the field if I knew it was going to happen.

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chill out buddy and DONT YELL AT ME, I know he wasn't used, I was there...myself I would still call him a 1st grader thou...
qualified, did he play/start the required 66% of games in reggies????? that is the rule, but this is the problem, moral compass or not, players not meeting the requirements needed to qualify at all clubs.....because the powers that be determined that you don't really need to qualify, if your on the bench......
don't get me wrong either, I don't agree with what has been done, as it happened to us a few years back, by well need I say the clubs name, but the same as last weekend, the powers that be let it happen....all because most of the clubs are to weak to speak up......

Dear keyboard warrior,

Those blokes who subbed on consistently played third grade all year, just because they would also then start another grade therefore they wouldn't qualify for thirds.
Those blokes deserve to be there as much as anyone else

Mate it consistently happens at Dudley cause the boys have a got a bit of ticker and play all grades at times mate.

Guessing you are a uni bloke hence the whinging, good to see you have obviously got a bit of fear in you.

As for the "grub status" you are welcome whinge all you like, when you come down to Dudley you are getting a game.

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Originally Posted by Dudleyman

Dear keyboard warrior,

Those blokes who subbed on consistently played third grade all year, just because they would also then start another grade therefore they wouldn't qualify for thirds.
Those blokes deserve to be there as much as anyone else

Mate it consistently happens at Dudley cause the boys have a got a bit of ticker and play all grades at times mate.

Guessing you are a uni bloke hence the whinging, good to see you have obviously got a bit of fear in you.

As for the "grub status" you are welcome whinge all you like, when you come down to Dudley you are getting a game.

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All good mate. No fear from the uni boys with the opposition, just maybe the location. :)

It has been often I've noticed Dudley having guys starting multiple games on a given weekend. Do you guys just get really short towards the end of the year or not have that many squad numbers to begin with?

Jardel has it right. A 10s change is not in the spirit of the game but it is within the rules. Can a player still be a true 3rder when they are constantly thrown up grades to fill in during the year? maybe.

Q. Both players who subbed on early are they now allowed to start 3rds in the next game?

If you are playing with that team the whole year you deserve to be there,

It's not like those boys have had nothing to do with the team.

Yeah just fair few injuries and holidays caused fair few boys to back up regularly last couple of years.

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Originally Posted by Dudleyman

Dear keyboard warrior,

Those blokes who subbed on consistently played third grade all year, just because they would also then start another grade therefore they wouldn't qualify for thirds.
Those blokes deserve to be there as much as anyone else

Mate it consistently happens at Dudley cause the boys have a got a bit of ticker and play all grades at times mate.

Guessing you are a uni bloke hence the whinging, good to see you have obviously got a bit of fear in you.

As for the "grub status" you are welcome whinge all you like, when you come down to Dudley you are getting a game.

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Well that seems a good reason to have them come on 10 seconds into a match.....Why not the last minute ?....

Either way, i had my rant, and got a reply. So thanks for that, and good luck to Dudley and all other teams on the weekend.

Sorry Jardel....wasn't yelling champ...just highlighting the fact that Uni could have played someone on the ground that was a class above...but didnt.

I guess in the end it would be a really hard rule to police ? Your thoughts ?

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Originally Posted by hawk

Jardel has it right. A 10s change is not in the spirit of the game but it is within the rules. Can a player still be a true 3rder when they are constantly thrown up grades to fill in during the year? maybe.

Q. Both players who subbed on early are they now allowed to start 3rds in the next game?

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As Jardel said before....have all players fulfilled the 66% rule for each team ?...impossible to manage ?

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Originally Posted by Phoenix12

As Jardel said before....have all players fulfilled the 66% rule for each team ?...impossible to manage ?

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Impossible indeed... If a club has all 3 grades in the final series then any player can play any grade... but if one team does not make the GF from that club... 66% rule applies for the GF match, and hypothetically Resies dropping down to thirds for the semi final legs will not be able to play in the GF. Police THAT!!!

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Originally Posted by Phoenix12

As Jardel said before....have all players fulfilled the 66% rule for each team ?...impossible to manage ?

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All players at Dudley are playing within the rules. As to your comment about dodgy and grubs, that's fine call us what you want. We are not here to be your best friends and the way you guys carry on at finals don't want it either. As to the subs early, they are due to injuries and being old. You can make assumptions all you want.
The club has had a transition year and numbers are down due to injury/holidays. We are not a club to cheat or stack grades to make finals. Just do not have the numbers and the guys that have had to back up each week are showing Dudley spirit. Bit rich given the team you sent out against us in the 2nd round, compared to the team in the finals.
All players we use are down to injuries or lack of numbers. Talk about true spirit of the game. I think who are willing to be there for the club, put there hand up and help out their friends is a true spirit of a club. Also as for us doing this for 3 years running. Last year our third grade was intact and all players had played through out the year and well reggies have no fresh subs to begin with. So coach puts whomever on the bench. Our reserve grade is strong and all could play first grade. So that argument is invalid