NEFA kids will be leaps and bounds ahead of other kids in the next 12 months, playing nearly 50 games per season against top quality opposition along with quality coaching,
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NEFA kids will be leaps and bounds ahead of other kids in the next 12 months, playing nearly 50 games per season against top quality opposition along with quality coaching,
This is the big issue, so many coaches are focused solely on winning in JDL instead of trying to teach the kids how to play football, as you said there are so many players getting to the youth system who can?t take a touch won?t attempt to use the weaker foot, and think thumping the ball out of defence every chance they get is the right thing. The beauty about JDL is it don?t matter if you concede a goal, allow the kids to try and play out from the back whilst under pressure and teach them it?s ok to take a touch in the back line and control the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Also one thing for me is mums/dads coaching their own kids teams. Whilst i understand coaching numbers are not high and parents coaching is required, if the teams train and play at this same place why can?t they coach another team other wise little Johnny makes the team each year cause his parents are the coach. But then again even if the parents coach another team they become buddies with their kids coach and not enough people have the balls to pit that aside and pick on merit. Until that is fixed we will always have players moving through every age group the potentially should have been moved on earlier.
Thank you for this, seems Northern forgot to post these results on their socials, remembered for League A though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
I dont have an issue with it especially in the 9-10 age group in JDL.Most parent coaches that Ive come across have been former players or long term coaches dropping back to coach their kids for a few years.Most of them Ive met are harder on their own kids anyone else.Once 11-12 comes along and kids are trying to fight for NPL spots then yes the conflict can become an issue and clubs should activley try and avoid it.Im not aware of too many parent coaches in NPL youth and again the ones I know are highly credentialled and more than fair when it comes to their own kids.But yes,in a perfect world removing all conflicts is the best scenario.Congratulations to all the players involved in their grand finals over the weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by onlooker
I did hear over the weekend from people that know these things that NPL youth will go to home and away for phase 2 and reverting back to the cup/trial group format of 2 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Has there been confirmation as to whether Cooks Hill or Charlestown Azzuri have been promoted back into division 1?
Also, does next year have a mid-season phase change with the relegation? My recollection was that the promotion/ relegation in the middle of the season was across 2023 and 2024, there was never really commentary on 2025 (that I've seen).
That is correct heard from people who were at the PYL meeting last week that home and away for phase 2, so a longer season to free up 2 weekends, the mid-season cup will be abolished. The Pre-season cup is back and will be the same format as the Champions League. This means there will be 29 matches for players next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Also common sense has prevailed and 18s will remain in PYL at least for another year, apparently a lot of TDs and youth coaches who have been coaching for many years were in this meeting and overwhelmingly spoke against the proposal to split it from the PYL.
It's Cooks HillQuote:
Originally Posted by BoundbyGold
Yes, not sure where you thought it would only be two seasons, 2023 was different to 2024 because an alignment of teams was needed and so it looked slightly different.Quote:
Also, does next year have a mid-season phase change with the relegation? My recollection was that the promotion/ relegation in the middle of the season was across 2023 and 2024, there was never really commentary on 2025 (that I've seen).
Thanks for the reply.I also saw that Stags won the U13s which is great for their first year back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
I didn't say using both feet was embarrassing, I said your comment was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldy
That aside, from Google...
3 notable players considered to have only 1 good foot...
C. Ronaldo
D. Beckham
L. Messi
Are you suggesting they are not/were not world class players?
It is an important skill, sure...is it the defining feature for stardom...clearly not!
Oh my lord.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Please delete everything on your computer and reset your modem. It's infected.
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Originally Posted by plague
You could try making a substantive counter argument
Also note, I have not claimed anyone here is a Messi, or is ever likely to be (if you thought that, I heard the WEA conducts some adult reading classes that might help you)
Rather specifically the claim made by Oldy of it's importance
Assuming you are referring to PYL - MNC, Weston, New Lambton and Cooks Hill back in Div 1 for the start of next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoundbyGold
5 different GF winners in PYL Div 1 yesterday which is somewhat surprising.
U13 - Lake Macquarie
U14 - Valentine
U15 - Jaffas
U16 - Broadmeadow
U18 - Olympic
Congratulations to all teams.
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Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Keep tweeting through it my guy.
You're doing fine.
Sorry I got sidetracked with some absolute foz gold a few posts back but came by to say the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzy
Well in to all teams, games I saw were well contested and played in good spirit. Think 13s was the only grade to have a team do the double.
No one booed the refs which was disappointing but will keep some on here happy.
Good job Valo, great facility.
You must've missed the early games, plenty of coaches jumping out of the seats and calling for a foul when the ref made the right decision in not giving one.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
There were a couple of the usual suspects on show over the 2 days thats for sure but trust me the referees dont even bat an eyelid at their carry on anymore.One day a few of them may begin to change their own behavior instead of wondering why the officials keep picking on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Wouldn't surprise me, I wasn't at the Saturday games but I'm sure the same jumping up and down happened there as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
How do you envision this working given FIFA Article 19 exists?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldy
This prohibits movements of those under 18s years of age moving to other countries for football reasons (only 3 exceptions are available but can't see how they work with your proposal)
You also commented that 2nd tier European football is a marker if success, but note that this solution kick off in Europe's 2nd tier...how do you reconcile that...they just jump into "success"?
LOL 😂 another parent sold the fake dream. If you call quality opposition the kids that didn?t make the JDL squds quality. The Sydney academy kids are the ones that couldn?t make the NPL JDL squads in 1st place so parents take them to the academy to train them so they have a chance to get selected when 13s come around. $4500 rego is also quality :woo:Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Why should NNSW post them. Let?s reward failure. Yeah yeah I know it?s an unpopular opinion but we are all thinking it. Makes me cringe when I see parents posting over social media that little Jesses team is champions. Mind you in the 1st half of the season they got belted every week and got relegated so now NNSW has created a comp for the ones that failed so they can feel like champions. What a soft society we live in. Yes by all means have A and B comps but don?t reward the weak teams from A and punish the good from B and this them in half way to steal their glory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
You obviously haven?t been involved or witnessed any matches, all NEFA kids play JDL buddy, but next season they won?t, Sydney academies are way above anything happening in Newcastle, NEFA had 400 kids wanting to join, your argument wouldn?t past the pub testQuote:
Originally Posted by Dreamtime Yowie
Based on both your recent posts, this forum is not replacement for your therapy sessions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamtime Yowie
I think the NEFA guys do a great job to be frank. They have a lot of lived experience to help support any of the kids who go to them too.
Not sure about how the academy stuff works in Sydney, but if the price is $4500 for 50 games that's $90/game.
My boy's season came in at $111/game plus uniform, by comparison (regular season).
Though, I would personally hate the idea of travelling to Sydney every weekend.
Should be many paths for development.
You must be their marketing assistant. I?m very well aware of it all and I know they play JDL atm. Read my comment again as I think you?ve had too many fire engines at the pub. I?m saying the Sydney kids aren?t the best. The best are already in top JDL programs run by clubs already in the NSWNPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
So you agree with a team getting a hiding every week in A comp, only to go to B comp where the kids that are already there doing well in the grade they know is their best only for the ones that failed above to take the glory? Show me where in the world something so stupid happens in a league environment. Maybe lakes and Adamstown 1st should have dropped into 2HD lge in June and won that competition half way through season. Then Adamstown could hoist the trophy up and say champions and bring the club back to its glory days. Give me a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
You expose your own ignorance, there are professional leagues in Europe that split during the season, one country's top league splits into 3 middle of the season. Another not only splits but the second split allows a reset of points halfway that second phase to allow another team an opportunity to get promoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamtime Yowie
I don?t care about Kazakhstan Bruno. And how successful is that country?s lge? Yeah rubbish just like this one. Rewarding Failure because everyone should get a trophy. :yawn:Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Some of these leagues and the national teams are pretty successful. Again, you just show your own ignorance and really don't know what you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamtime Yowie
Belgium (8th highest in Europe)
Czech Republic (9th highest)
Denmark (14th highest)
Switzerland (15th highest)
Austria (16th highest)
Scotland (17th highest)
Ireland (33rd highest)
Nice google work. Successful? What exactly have any of those countries won? Their best players don?t play in these countries for a reason if that?s the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Totally incorrect, do some more research buddy, I?m trying to help you be more knowledgeable but your own ignorance is getting in the wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Dreamtime Yowie
You don't seem to get it, perhaps deliberately or perhaps from ignorance of the concept. The PYL is two competitions in one season. The first half of the year is two groups of 12 with the "reward" being the placement for the second competition. For the majority of clubs, all points etc are wiped and a clean slate arrives for the second half of the season. If you like, the first part of the season is an extended grading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamtime Yowie
The second part is the "real" comp with like against like, which is one of the purposes of the PYL system, and the stats that Northern have presented show it is working. Next season it will be home and away in the second half. They will play more games in the second half of the season than the first.
Of course groups B and C should have finals. Of course they should celebrate because they have won that competition in which they play. By your reasoning, the under 14c community comp should not have finals and winners because they are not group A PYL. The winners of group b and c grand finals won their comp. Good on them.
And catch up with the times. 2HD League? Your argument about Adamstown and Lakes is irrelevant. The NPL and NL1 are not split into two comps in one season.
Cleary your definition of successful is different to most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamtime Yowie
As in Ivan Cleary? Clearly you must think a team that?s won the GF in division B has had a better season than a team that?s come bottom half of the NPL A comp just because they won a trophy :bs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzy
I probably know more than you about it. Since you think you know so much, tell me how many minute games do they play? How many kids on a team? How many start? Is it just one game on the weekend? Long way to drive for just 20min halves don?t you think? What happens if these kids pull out of their JDL squads now and not make the Jets in 13s? Do they have to then grovel back to the clubs they left hanging? Do these clubs then say no thanks because they left them now? I?d like to think those NPL clubs will stay loyal to the kids that stayed with their JDL clubs and in reward get a spot in 13s team. These academy kids would all want to make the Jets I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Then the politics of football start again, with the coaches they have you?d think they might get a leg up at selection time yeah? Now the JDL parents start to think hmmmm these coaches will push the academy kids because it won?t look good if they don?t make Jets will it. So now you have JDL parents thinking oh crap I better pay then money for academy or he won?t get a shot at Jets. Have a think about that gentleman and get back to me.
I have no problem with academy but it should be run in off season outside of NNSW competition.
Dude, chill out with the strawman arguments. The conversation has somehow moved from PYL kids making the A League were not really successful in your opinion to comparisons with my clearly/cleary typo and ridiculing various football leagues as being too weak to be consider a success. WTF?!?! It would appear to me that you only consider a kid has been successful if they play in La Liga/EPL/Serie A. Anyone who is paid to play sport as their main source of income (especially football) is certainly a sporting success IMHO, and clearly has talent and work ethic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamtime Yowie
I will note my kids team in A was beaten by a couple of the teams that got relegated to B this year so you tell me, experience says being in Div A doesn't necessarily mean anything. In the Div B 18s GF one team completely outplayed the other - playing goal kicks in the first 5 minutes of the game was like watching football 30 years ago. If you can't play out from the back by u18 your coach has failed you; as a spectator it was was not a GF worthy game for one team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamtime Yowie
17 games a season is also a piss take - does anyone realise the girls NPL played more games this season?
18s should be with seniors, anyone who is playing 18s to win a trophy in 18s is either in their last season playing or has missed the point. They want to play senior football, its all about playing and training with reserve and first grade, not the 16s. trying to get to both game days is a PIA as well 18s and Reserves at many clubs is more blended then many realise. Gate takings or not the 18s WANT to be in with the senior squad and not in youth football. Ask the players they will tell you.
I see first grade sides kick if long as well. Does it mean the first grade coach has failed if they decide to take goal kicks straight into the middle third?Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
It's going to be 29 next season for U13s-U18s.Quote:
17 games a season is also a piss take - does anyone realise the girls NPL played more games this season?
This has been gone over already, from what I understand those who actually understand the game and understand player development, at the Northern meeting about it were there and showed how it would be dterimental to the U18s comp and the players to take it out of PYLQuote:
18s should be with seniors
So you would be in favour of dropping a finals series for U18s even if in seniors? After all if they playing to win they have missed the point.Quote:
anyone who is playing 18s to win a trophy in 18s is either in their last season playing or has missed the point.
So go join a reserve team if you don't want to play 18s. Playing 18s isn't playing senior football even if it is before a reserves game.Quote:
They want to play senior football, its all about playing and training with reserve and first grade, not the 16s.
Either go join a senior squad, or go to a club where 18s do train with the senior squad, there are clubs that do it under the current structure. And if you want to be in a senior squad but no club will currently have you in their reserves or 1st grade then maybe you still need some time in the 18s to develop.Quote:
the 18s WANT to be in with the senior squad and not in youth football. Ask the players they will tell you.
Its obviously a team by team and player by player opinion but every parent that won a trophy this year was very very happy with how it all played out.Personally,my lads didnt get near winning a trophy this year but are better players than when they started and are more than keen to get back into it for another year.I just hope the break is long enough for me to get motivated to drive them everywhere!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamtime Yowie