Miller - He's Out (pg 25)

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Originally Posted by Tommyjet

I respect Leonardo is getting better but I'd like to see his turnover stats. Such a frustrating player when he shows that the talent is there but he spends half the game walking, a quarter abusing his teammates (mostly when he is in the wrong), and the rest is mostly turnovers mixed in with some the occasional sublime skill.
I would like to see him play the ball off his teammates a bit more rather than dribbling a touch too far into traffic.
Also his first bit of 'end product' yesterday with the assist to nobbys nutcracker

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Probably a fair comment, as long as his perceived "temperamental" issues aren't affecting the rest of the playing group in a negative way then we probably shouldn't dwell on it too much. It's a bonus having a player who takes on players like Leonardo and yes it would be ideal if he were to strike up more of a balance of passing the ball more often too, but the truth is that with him in the side we just look so much more effective in attack. When he beats a player, they are out of the equation and instead of say 5 on 4 it becomes 4 on 4 and it just creates more space for other team-mates, let alone the uncertainty it creates in the opposition defence who get pulled out of position trying to compensate.
Yes, can be a little frustrating at times but I wouldn't like to see him change his style of play too much.

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Originally Posted by stopper2

Probably a fair comment, as long as his perceived "temperamental" issues aren't affecting the rest of the playing group in a negative way then we probably shouldn't dwell on it too much. It's a bonus having a player who takes on players like Leonardo and yes it would be ideal if he were to strike up more of a balance of passing the ball more often too, but the truth is that with him in the side we just look so much more effective in attack. When he beats a player, they are out of the equation and instead of say 5 on 4 it becomes 4 on 4 and it just creates more space for other team-mates, let alone the uncertainty it creates in the opposition defence who get pulled out of position trying to compensate.
Yes, can be a little frustrating at times but I wouldn't like to see him change his style of play too much.

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The only time I see praise for Leonardo is on here. The people that sit surrounding me at the game and those I talk to via various football circles don't rate him very much at all.
Yesterday he finally showed some end product. His stats and effectiveness is nowhere near good enough to warrant a contract extension. Despite him getting an assist last night, I believe nordstand needs to be brought closer to the action and would be far more productive than Leonardo.

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Originally Posted by plague

Give me this bloke doing this shit every ****ing week.

Better than the steaming pile of shit we've had there over the past few years.

His blowups are awesome. All the young blokes put their heads down or run for the hills but Milos is all like "chill the **** out Leo".

Would def pay money to see Leo and Alidovic throw hands at training.

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right on

christ, the bloke sets up two goals and gets hauled over the coals. imagine if he did 9/11 like gve did

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Originally Posted by q-money

right on

christ, the bloke sets up two goals and gets hauled over the coals. imagine if he did 9/11 like gve did

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Yeah f*cking hell. Let's crucify the one guy on our league worst attack that is actually creative and looks threatening. He might have had four assists yesterday if our strikers/Alivodic didn't sh*t themselves in good positions. We're finally scoring some goals and people still want to have a go at the guy that is largely responsible for our turnaround.

Most of the Fox crew reckon he is our diamond...and we are a different team without him.

Alivodic is shit
Leonardo is not

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

Most of the Fox crew reckon he is our diamond...and we are a different team without him.

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Leonardo, okay I agree with some of what Tommyjet is saying but he is our "go to man" and most of the season it's been almost like chalk and cheese comparing the side to when he is playing and when he is not playing. The plus now though with having Nobby in the squad is that if Leonardo were to be out again, we would have the Dane available to slot straight into the #10 role rather than using Kitto or Cooper or Kanta

While Kitto or Cooper are our options, Leo needs to start.

Leonard's anticipation, movement off the ball and positioning (to collect Milos' lovely touch) then acceleration, awareness and pass to set up Nobby is all you need to see to realise he's streets ahead of anyone else in our squad in that role.

he is always playing forward, and combined with the Ugabooga man being a positive DM (oh how I miss Stu) we are playing a lot more positive football.
With that comes mistakes. So ****ern what. Beats retreating into our box the second we get a lead.

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Originally Posted by q-money

imagine if he did 9/11 like gve did

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#jetfuelcantmeltpossessionstats

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Originally Posted by q-money

right on

christ, the bloke sets up two goals and gets hauled over the coals. imagine if he did 9/11 like gve did

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the planes had "great engines"

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Originally Posted by OmeletteDuFromage

the planes had "great engines"

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Oh now see, this is fantastic.
This is how you do a good post on nf.net

Bravo

It was great that Miller came to the away bay before kick-off and thank the fans for travelling

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Originally Posted by lil_masi

It was great that Miller came to the away bay before kick-off and thank the fans for travelling

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That should be the ****ing normal

What he done yesterday is is his job.

Beat the Gypo scum in their own backyard.

The only games that matter are the F3 derbies.


Glad to see him delivering on this front

Season	Points gained after being behind	Points lost after being ahead
05/06	1	5
06/07	5	2
07/08	6	4
08/09	2	20
09/10	1	15
10/11	2	6
11/12	9	6
12/13	2	10
13/14	4	16
14/15	2	18
15/16*	8	10

*Season to date

It's interesting to see there is a never-say-die attitude developing in the team. Granted it's best not to be in the position where you need to recover points in the first place, but when needed we are seeing the team actually can.

Now we need to develop the resilience we had back in season 05/06 - 07/08 where we didn't lose from ahead.

Note it can be deceiving because if you draw after being ahead, you've lost 2 points, where if you draw after being behind you only gain 1. A low number can also indicate we won matches outright or lost them too.

Anyway, just as a discussion point.

Interesting stats mate, yes it looks to be our best season since 11/12 for coming from behind, which indicates 1/ never say die mentality 2/ the team is overall fitter than it has been for a few years. Over the years at home games we have dropped points at the death....even this season SFC, WSW & gypos earlier in the season....this is something we need to rectify.

I don't even remember being ahead of any team in 08/09 or 14/15. Surprised we were seemingly so many times.

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

Now we need to develop the resilience we had back in season 05/06 - 07/08 where we didn't lose from ahead.

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score 1 then bore everyone to tears, 3pts baby

Anyway Miller has done the business now.

Won away at browntongue and almost consigned gypos to the spoon.

Season = successful end it now.

Certainly been some positives under Miller this season and considering where were last season and the budget constraints under FFA we probably can't complain too much about where the club is at with 6 games to go. The disappointing thing for me is the seemingly lack of developing or "nurturing" of our young players apart from probably Jackson and Cowburn. Even Cowby has basically been used in a "stop-gap" role for most of this season as a LB rather than giving him valuable game-time in his best position in Centre Mid. Likes of Cooper and Pavicevic have been used very sporadically and numerous times left warming the bench for the whole game. Lundy hasn't been sighted since the 2nd game against SFC, apart from a few cameos warming the bench also. Kitto also had a brief period in the middle of the season where he made a few appearances, had a minor injury but also has been unsighted for weeks now.
I believe Cooper and Lundy are coming off contract at the end of this season, were they given enough opportunities to impress this season in order to get an extension on their contract?....probably not in my opinion.
Bringing our younger players up to A League level is something we need to start doing better as a club. I'm not saying any of these players should be regular starters but you look at likes of Kamau, Mauk, Borrello etc. who have either debuted this season or towards the end of last season and you can see them preogressing as players.
Oh and I also forgot Andy Brennan....Who???