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ok fair enough...Jets really need to employ a coach who yeah has the tactical knowhow but very importantly has great man management skills...who this is at A league level I don't fvckn know but really the selection should go through a more stringent process and I dont mean Middleby having a chat over a coffeeQuote:
Originally Posted by militiamon
Lets just hope Neville and Mitchell have get out clauses in there contracts should GvE not be coaching.
Piss off all three in one hit, how good would that be ?
BamQuote:
Originally Posted by 380
collectively this. but not that aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarghQuote:
Originally Posted by seldom
Couldn't understand why he didn't have the balls to remove Neville, push brilliante to rb, and bring cooper into the midfield to add something extra going forward in that last 20, we needed to win not draw and in the end we got screwed
Merrick had Archie Thompson in his prime and Kevin Muscat on the field to marshall the troops. When Archie became injured and Muscat started to lose touch Merrick had absolutely no solutions.Quote:
Originally Posted by militiamon
While I'd prefer him over GVE I'd rather the club moved forward with someone new to the league - preferably with overseas experience.
It's glaringly obvious now that getting rid of Topor and not re-signing Brockie were arguably the worst decisions in terms of the playing roster in this clubs history. Two players who were already at the club and reaching their prime years as footballers and we release one and don't re-sign the other because they don't fit in the coach's plans and want too much money (Brockie) or are on too much money (Topor). GVE's failings as a coach are never more evident then the way these two were shown the door and are both now thriving at different clubs. Apart from Rubes we lack players who are in the prime of their careers, we have either youngsters with potential or players nearing the end of their career. Topor and Brockie would have provided that balance this season that we have lacked, plus goals (Brockie) and defensive steel (Topor).
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Originally Posted by stopper2
Complete Bullshit. We have made far greater **** ups than that. Signing Ante Milicic to a long term deal at his age, Jardel fiasco, Losing the bulk of our championship winning squad within 18 months , our wonderful history of foreigners and NEVER forget our shoddy efforts at resigning Lord Griffo.
We may be missing Topor with some of our defensive issues but we don't miss Brockie anywhere near as much as half the Brockie lovers reckon
So are you saying that we should have payed more than their worth to keep these two players and eat up more of the limited salary cap? Lets remember Brockie's last season, scored 9 goals, then with ~6 games to go says his target is 10. He then disappears off the face of the earth to only reappear when contract negotiations are occurring. If we still had Brockie, Taggart and/or Virigilli would have been lucky to play half the number of games they have and people would be whinging about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by stopper2
As for Topor, he was pants last season, but put him in front of a top keeper, next to a bloke who tells hm what to do, with Mooy and Ono infront of him, of course he is going to look good. He was good when we had Ljubo next to him as well.
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Originally Posted by sh10
From memory, Brockie was doing very well last season, but as pointed out above, he was being benched or omitted, hardly a good move by the manager to 'rest' a consistant goal scorer. I think something must have happened between Brockie and Van God that caused the latter to adopt his usual punishment of dropping/benching personalities he doesn't see eye to eye with.
I think Brockie was one of the first to be let go, and I don't recall any press about him asking too much money at the time. It looks to me as though he had a Whierman done on him.
Not at all. Brockie was offered a massive contract in China, Jets refused to let him go and yet made no reasonable offer to compensate Brockie for the chance they denied him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Football is us
As you would expect, Brockie felt cheated and left the club. Simple really.
All public knowledge.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/43...eremy-brockie/
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/footbal...inese-contract
http://www.bet365.com/news/en/bettin...ia-on-his-mind
Why should we have compensated him? The fact is he signed a contract to work for the business and was legally bound to see it out. So what if he was offered more money at another company? I don't see why the Jets should have compensated him for anything given Brockie freely entered a contract that expired in April (?) 2012, for a set wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
This is part of the reason I'm pissed that Ryan left, he was legally bound to work for the company and he should have seen out that contract, no matter how much they were offering him. I have no issue with a club paying a transfer fee, but its up the club to accept it and if they don't want to lose a player, its their prerogative to do so.
Anyways , anymore candidates people would like to mention ?.
Thanks for pointing this out Dunster. I see merit in Thomas477's argument as well though.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
I agree with you 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
My post was merely passing on how I would have expected Brockie to have felt about the situation.
With respect to the players very few of them have any consideration for their fan base.
That their families cannot survive on $250k a year when the majority of the fans watching them earn less than $50k a year is a bit rich.
so much of this last page is tl;dr but what I will say is so many people on here seem so naive about the transfer market. apart from being jack wilshere, there is literally no such thing as loyalty/honoring contracts/fair play/etc in world football. people liken playing professionally as working for a company? then why wouldn't the player go to a higher pay?
anyone who says we should have kept topor is an idiot. as I predicted, and as it eventuated - he was garbage without ljubo. and he was on $200k+!! and brockie - well I didn't rate him that highly, but the offer the jets gave him, in the context, was disrespectful to him & I'm not surprised he left. but I don't think we're missing him tbh
Agree with both points.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
People keep saying how great Topor is at WS, and what a big mistake it was letting him go. What about Beauchamp? You could say he is a good player for WS as well, but he was ****ing rubbish for Sydney and Heart. Do you think they regret letting him go? Different systems. Ours was never going to suit Topor, not in a million years, so why bother keeping him?
As for Brockie, good finisher, that's about it. Not a great all-round player who can really make a difference to a season (e.g Smeltz, Griff). And in the end we got Heskey as a replacement, so what are we complaining about? Even Taggart would have been a pretty good replacement, he is a much more complete player imo.
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To say that Topor was rubbish without Ljubo is one of the biggest myths going around on this forum. Ljubo missed huge chunks of season 6 due to injury and Reegz came in, yet Topor was our best player that season....that's a fact, check the stats boys before youz go off half-cock.
As for Brockie I think that in the last 2 seasons no one has matched the quality of his goals both for us last season and this season for the Nix. He has developed into a striker who can create something from nothing and not just be fed or pick up the scraps.
Militiamon you say that Topor wouldn't suit our system....what exactly is our system? If Topor was in our defence last night, that second goal probably wouldn't have been score. If anyone has watched him this year for WSW he has saved countless goals by just being in the six-yard box and using his long frame to thwart shots at goal.
I make my observations on facts and what I actually see not the pre-conceived dribble that some of you on here seem to go on with.
We've spent $700,000 on a striker and the return has been 9 goals and most probably 7th, 8th or 9th spot yet the "experts" on here think that Topor and Brockie wanted or were on too much coin!!!
No experts on here
That's right, only opinions, but seem people seem to think that their opinion is always right. Give an opinion but back it up with facts, especially the one about Topor being rubbish without Ljubo that seems to be constantly regurgitated.Quote:
Originally Posted by My2BobsWorth
Lots of expert opinion makers though :gent:
Obviously doesn't need Looobo now, but him and Tarago had problems with Gary's strict rules. The ball would normally end up with Byun, who would then play out. But without the strict rules, he's a good defender.
Instead of bagging GVE and using all the WS payers who are now doing well as evidence, I think that little storyline should simply be praising popovic. Most of their squad was struggling in any of their previous clubs.
Tarek has disappeared though.
You are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
'of' is sometimes used in error in the place of 'have'. Presumably because in speech 'have' is often slurred/shortened to 've', which sounds more like 'of'.
Could of, would of, should of are always incorrect
Could've, would've,should've. Last nite.
that 700,00 has come outside the salary cap and we have probably matched that with his commercial value. Plus he offers something different to Brockie as they are both different types of players. The final spot we finish has no responsibilty on Heskey as it's not his job to carry 10 other men. He's been our hardest working player in every game by far, i think that 700,000 we spent on him is pretty much a bargain given how much he has given to the team every game plus the revenue from his shirts sold.Quote:
Originally Posted by stopper2
Plus when Brockie scored i never got no free smoothie or reduced merch. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it
I too make my observations on facts and what i actually see, and i see that you are just a twat
/rant
So if Heskey has "been our hardest working player in every game by far" as you have quoted (surely you aren't serious), WTF has Ruben Zadkovich been doing in your eyes???Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddha
Rubes has had some off days (like against MV) but in most games this year he has worked his butt off for the full 90 minutes. Vice versa with Heskey, yes in a lot of games he has worked harder then anyone but lets be honest here there have been games where he has just not been in the game.
Not saying it's Heskey's responsibility to carry his team-mates but don't you think Tinkler at the end of the season is going to ask the question...."I've paid $700,000 for a marquee and you can't even finish in the top 6...what's going on???"
I reckon he would ask why the heck did GVE not lay a platform to provide Heskey with greater opportunities and more to the point service. Playing the big fella up front as some sort of battering ram lone ranger role was never going to work.
Exactly, that's what he should be asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
Will he though? tha knights are just ready to kick off, so does he give a fxck?
No he won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by scozzygt
wow...good to see some guys can get away with itQuote:
Originally Posted by Buddha
There is potentially a lot of complications with this GvE out .
The vast majority of us i would think concede Tinks is not a round ball fan. I cannot see Tinks coming up with the money to bring a new coach to the club albeit wether he can afford it or not.
This leaves only a few options.
1. Not offer but give the egg another remedial role at the club to entice him into spitting the chewy and walking out = equels freeing up a wage and new coach
2. Hope GVE sees the writing on the wall and gets another gig and leaves = equels freeing up a wage and new coach
3. Egg is given another role and hangs around and continues to absorb a wage = Deans in sadly.
If and it is a big if and that is if club has already decided that GvE is no longer the head coach next season then i reckon there is a massive game of chess going on behind the scenes to see who gives first.
Just my thoughts, will get ready to be flamed now !!!!.
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Originally Posted by seldom
well said. you'd be suprised how long this has dragged on. I'll focus on anything but results atm. sighQuote:
Originally Posted by My2BobsWorth
This is the only post in this thread worth reading imoQuote:
Originally Posted by seldom
From memory i remember reading a herald article a few months back about GVE already having planned at some stage to move back into a role within the emerging jets?
AKA already setting up his scapegoat for when he's ready to leave his mess for somebody else to clean up.
AKA Deans becoming coach which still allows room for GVE to whisper in his ear to play this young kid and sign this young kid.
ljubo got injured towards the end of the season. this was exactly when our defense went to shit. it was well documented by our experts on this Foz back then that when regan & nts were partnered together, regan held his own defensively (but lacked at playing the ball) but nts was so positionally unaware & most of the time was treading on regans toes, left byun stranded regularly & overall just relied on his big frame & struggled big time. he didn't have anyone barking orders at him, was lost & was shit. after that season, because of those glimpses of poor defense, I predicted nts would struggle now that ljubo was gone for the whole season. I copped heaps of shit for predicting it, particularly off parkesy :lulz:Quote:
Originally Posted by stopper2
the facts are - he did. didn't earn a single vote in player of the season voting by our experts. he was garbage. letting him go was the best thing gve did
So Parksey OUT then?
Getting your seasons mixed up buddy, Byun came in the season after Ljubo left.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Topor was 3 seasons with us, the first 2 under Branko and the 3rd under GVE.
Had a good 1st season, 2nd he was great and 3rd he was poor to average overall. Now he is probably having the best season of his career. 3 good seasons out of the last 4 seasons, but the "experts" on here will still try to say that he is garbage!!!
Oh and if you want to go back further he was Perth's Player of the year before he joined us....they're the facts mate not a figment of your imagination.
I thought they only played him as a LB and he was soundly lashed by both Perth and opposition fans?Quote:
Originally Posted by stopper2