Promotion/relegation based on club championship standings?
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Promotion/relegation based on club championship standings?
Could work but I disagree on putting win at all costs pressure on juniors, imagine telling an u13 team if they don’t win today then the clubs going down, some pressureQuote:
Originally Posted by Imyourhero
Welcome to life. FNSW doesn’t include 13s in the club championship, youth and senior are seperated and senior Pro/rel is decided by first grade positionQuote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
There’s just no consequences for poor performance.
And performance can cover a range of aspects of operating a club.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to remember a large motivating factor for “protecting” the NPL clubs in top division with no relegation originally was so there could be focus on developing instead of spending money on players to buy survival. Whether it was putting a development program for younger ages, upgrading facilities, buying better training equipment etc
How many clubs have improved their facilities over the last, what, 6 years?
Pretty sure I remember Weston wrote a year off cause it didn’t mean anything. Came last from memory. And then the year after, there was going to be a “review of criteria and new applications” they recruited again and did well. Not bagging Weston, just an example.
What are the downfalls to promotion/relegation?
And I agree there should be a club championship style system for it.
It’s heavily weighted on first grade results, but a strong reserves and 18s or whatever it is this week, can save a club.
Something like:
1st: 8 for win, 4 for draw
Reserves: 4 for win, 2 for draw
18s: 2 for win, 1 for draw
Think that’s fair. Very little pressure on 18s imo. Shame on any committee that would rely or pressure the 18s to achieve results to “save the club”.
I’d even be happy to give promoted clubs a year of safety to get their affairs in order, but that’a being generous.
I heard they were supposed to “re-assess” NPL licenses at the end of the year for prospective clubs. I think if any NEWFM clubs meet criteria, give them a license. If they win, send them up. Bring somebody down. If a club without a license wins, no change.
100% correct Brem. That was the publicised reason re pro/rel and I’d say player payments just increased because of it with very little investment if any in facilities. Valentine perfect example of this nil investment and brought a heap of players this season 6 or 7 to run 8th. Seriously. Governance by Northern and management of this whole situation in recent years has been appalling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Also agree with your model shouldn’t be just about first grade because the above will keep happening.
In all fairness to Valo why would they invest in facilities knowing that it will all be bulldozed and replaced in the near future?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnno
Comparing their grass condition on the field to the rest of the comp they did very well to maintain its condition considering how bad the drainage is there. A lot of other teams fields were appalling by the end.
besides Maybe Azzurri & Definitely Valo, what other grounds were appalling?????Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
and where are Southy coming in 2nd division ???Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Cooks Square, Macquarie Field, Edden from the games I saw.Quote:
Originally Posted by cobra23
Not sure what this has to do with anything, the comps a joke at the moment and needs fixing,Quote:
Originally Posted by cobra23
I’ll put it simple so even you can understand .Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Why should a team like southy that are struggling in 2nd division be promoted .
did he mention Southy, i dont think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueboy
How about we put it in simple terms to you, without promotion and relegation the comp is a joke......as always Northern do what they like, always have, always will.
Who are you all backing in the finals this weekend?
Either promotion happens between the two comps, new lambton up to NPL ... Lakes to Newfm. OR .... New Lambton v Lakes at NL1 home ground ( Not NPL park ) the winner is in NPL
2020 example
You obviously didn’t get to many games this year ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
All those grounds you mentioned were pretty decent ..
So maybe your going off previous years
I was at Cooks Square yesterday watching the youth games and the ground was in great conditionQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Its a miraculous recovery from the Azzurri game a month ago where the pitch was hard as a rock and the field was a dust bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurricane
Kudos to the ground staff.
no idea, you brought them up, you can answer your own question, no one mentioned any other clubs but you,Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueboy
They shouldn’t. And he didn’t say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueboy
They could be offered an NPL license though, along with other clubs in NEWFM if deemed to meet criteria.
The license (providing it doesn’t end up with an NPL1/2) would enable a club to be promoted if they win NEW FM. Which would give clubs something to work towards. Atm both competitions are stagnant with the exception of some who are constantly aiming for FFA cup success at the next level
They do have the facilities as proven when in the NPL previously, better or equal to olympic, much better then valentine and have done minor improvements since being relegated, new lights etc, when was the last time lakes or Azzurri’s facilities had improvement, I’d say never, also made two grand finals and several final appearances whilst in the NPL, a win loss ratio lakes, valentine and Adamstown would die for.
[QUOTE=ForeverRed;241895]They do have the facilities as proven when in the NPL previously, better or equal to olympic, much better then valentine and have done minor improvements since being relegated, new lights etc, when was the last time lakes or Azzurri’s facilities had improvement, I’d say never, also made two grand finals and several final appearances whilst in the NPL, a win loss ratio lakes, valentine and Adamstown would die for.[/QUOTE
Ive been to Ulinga twice this year, facilities are great and credit to the club on what they have achieved but credit for the lights has to go to Council, that's what a club official told me.
[QUOTE=Stanley;241909]As I recall, the lights were planned by Council and the clubs using the ground in consultation. Not sure who paid what.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Ulinga's facilities (change rooms, toilets, canteen etc) as good or better than many NPL clubs and NEWFM clubs. Having coached in both competitions I have first hand knowledge. If I had to guess then I'd say South Cardiff's issues for NPL promotion are the adjoining grounds (good enough for Valo but not good enough for Kahibah and Southy) and finances.
Other problem is, if you start taking clubs from newfm and not replacing them, the newfm comp will cease to exist, which means less $$$ for northern as a few clubs there wouldn’t be able to make npl criteria.
I still beleive that 2 npl tiers with 8 teams each is the way forward. Allow NC, MNC and NI in the youth as well. Promotion and relegation applies in both youth and senior, but separate from each other. Club championship in youth decide the promotion and relegation there. First / last past the post for seniors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
Yes. And all senior NPL1 clubs are eligible for promotion each year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Fair, but that’s still 6 clubs worth of fees Northern would be missing out. Can’t see them going for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Although I could be a bit jaded...
Magic 2 Olympic 3
Maitland 1 Charlestown 3
Leave it as is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
Just allocate NPL licenses to NEWFM teams.
Promotion/relegation if NEWFM winner has a license.
Same fees etc.
Magic 3 Olympic 1
Maitland 4 penalties to 3
Anyone else a bit intrigued as to the kickoff times for the two semis this Saturday being only 90 minutes apart.
Northern can't get anything right. Why the intrigueQuote:
Originally Posted by mge61
Maybe so people can watch consecutive games on BarTV?
There’s no real need to play at the same time, cause the other result doesn’t make a difference.
Surprised they didn’t have a bigger gap to allow people to go to both, but perhaps covid stipulations or somebody thought it was a bad idea people going to both. Devils advocate, don’t know.
Magic 3- 0
Maitland 2-1
Magic 3 - 1 OlympicQuote:
Originally Posted by Blueboy
Azzurri 2 - 0 Maitland
Magic 4-1Quote:
Originally Posted by Devon Sangas
Maitland 2-1
Magic 4 - Olympic 0
Azzurri 3 - Maitland 2
Valentine is a wonderful club. Nice colours. I love orange. Nice grounds surrounded by big shady trees. A really large number of players. A wonderful president and a high profile TD. They cop so much criticism. Why? They are doing the best they can while they wait for LMCC to deliver their long-promised facility upgrade. As some people have pointed out in previous posts it would be sheer insanity for the club to invest money into their facility now which is scheduled to be bulldozed within the next 12 months or so. Yes they came 8th this season. They did not come 9th or 10th though. Those clubs don’t cop anywhere near the flack Valo does. When the new facility comes the club becomes more attractive and things change. Why all the hate? Do you fear the sleeping giant will soon awaken? God bless you all.
Do you see what you are writing “wait for LMCC to deliver their LONG-PROMISED facility upgrade” promote a worthy NL1 team until the facility upgrade happens. I’ve been hearing about this facility upgrade for years, my guess is it’ll be many more years before we see the “LONG-PROMISED facility upgrade” even if it does happen in 12 months what’s wrong with spending a year in NL1 where they and a least one other club belongs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Carl
Ladies and gentlemen ... it’s the muppet show! The last time they spent a year in NL1 they won the competition hence why they are in NPL where they belong!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanley
There’s no bigger muppet than you champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Carl