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They won 2 nil today, the tide may be turningQuote:
Originally Posted by Imyourhero
Weston 2.1 over Southy, Southy played 35 minutes with 10 men, weston scored winner with 5 to go, was 1 all at the send off
jaffas 2-1 over olympic, another week another win, newcastle's galacticos march on ^_^
Should he have been sent off or was it a ref **** up?Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
2 yellows deservedQuote:
Originally Posted by Zico
Didn't their coach leave to work in sydney or something. Shame they lost their coach and so many players from last year but that's football I guess.Is Faj still playin for southy ?Quote:
Originally Posted by the_fozz
Both fajas at Southy, Dino out with glandular fever thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by seldom
wow... jaffas are galacticos?? what are the other teams in the comp then???? seems as though the jaffas are underdogs and arent given much chance week in week out by the pundits, maybe their results should be starting to turn some heads.....Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBean
Went out to watch the Olympic fixtures yesterday.
There's been a lot of talk on this forum of late about the style of Football in the NBN State League and of Olympic in particular.
I must say congratulations to the Olympic commitee on providing a fantastic surface for the players to play on, it's just a shame that it barley gets used. With such a nice surface it was very sad to see the amount of time the ball spent in the air and the amount of times the ball was punted from back to front to a 50/50 areial challenge across all grades.
Now I realise that there is no single right or wrong style, however it was most dissapointing for me to watch the two Olympic lower grades clearly being taught this style of Football. In a results based environment, this style can be very effective, however for me, it does young players development no good at all to be coached this way. It simply does not challenge the players enough technically and tactically to become the best player that they can be, and doesn't provide the players with enough decision making opportunities to properly prepare them to play at the higher level.
The goals of the local clubs should be to produce players for Australia, Newcastle Jets then your own Club. This is how success should be measured not by results alone.
Does anyone have any theory's on why the standard of football has dropped over the last 5-6yrs ?
love itQuote:
Originally Posted by FaroeMassive
Only my opinion but the big push to put forward some younger players that are just not quite ready, and throwing some of the older experienced players on the scrap heap. These older players would be great mentors to the ones coming through. Many a good player lost from the game because of age restrictions on comps. And the fear of relegation so its better to pay ugly and win. Once again only my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Baby Piglet
BP, I have thought about this a bit. I played State League late 80's early 90's. At that time we had guys coming back from National League like John Macquarie, Howard Tredinick, Halpin, Lowey etc. A bit after this period Edgeworth and others brought quite a few guys back from the Breakers and made the league quite strong. Nowadays, it is less likely anyone who has played A League would come back to the State League.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Baby Piglet
If you're at the back end of you career in the A League you are a good chance of a last pay day in Asia somewhere.
I know Lakes have a few former A League players, but outside of that it looks thin on the ground.
Playing with and against players who had played in the old NSL definitely brought an extra edge to your game and improved all around them.
Maybe this is a part of it ?
Yeah very good observation. I think other problem is that prior to the inception of the A-League, there was a very good youth system set up with the newcastle breakers and newcastle united, where if the players didnt make the youth team or 1st grade they filtered back into the state league. Also there were a number of good coaches in the youth system i.e. brett cowburn, lowey, graeme swan, boogs, chris miner geoff finch and im sure there is a few ive missed. Hopefully in the next 3-5 yrs with the new youth set up we'll see a big jump in the standard of football in newcastle.
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Originally Posted by The Baby Piglet
I think both of you guys have it spot on. It is a combination of both which had lead to slight decrease in quality (my opinion).Quote:
Originally Posted by Onehunglow
As bad as it is to say something like i am about to, the truth is it will happen.
The youth jets not even half of them will make it to the next level, unfortunately. That being said with the jets playing in the state league you have to think a good percentage that dont make it will filter into regular state league teams overall boosting the quality. This generation in the state league you would have to think will be one of significant improvement in playing quality (my opinion again).
any where from 3 to 5 (maybe more) youth players will come back to the state league every year roughly you would think, and i hope it does in a way (again i wish it wasnt truth for the young boys). This mean we could have around 25 additional quality players rotating in the state league in just 5 years. That is a major bonus for the league and development of the game is this region.
I think things are looking alright for the State league in terms of the future.
That's right too. I'd like to see guys on the fringe of the jets youth loaned out and sprinkled through the NBN. I think we are on a decent path at the moment, we just need everyone to pull together which can be the hard bit!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Baby Piglet
I believe within certain clubs the quality of football has improved. Edgeworth and South Cardiff particularly have improved with the "style" played. Broadmeadow havent played as pretty since McGuinness left, but still at times play football that is easy on the eye. The introduction the the Jets has probably taken away from the lower grades as players are now being taken away from State League clubs to play for the Jets. 3 or 4 years ago the players at the Jets would be at State League clubs which kept the standard at a reasonable level. Im not sure what the standard is in the younger groups now as I dont often catch their games. Have heard only a few teams try and play though which is disappointing. It is unfortunate Olympic play the way they do - be interesting to watch a session of theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Baby Piglet
As opposed to now where they would be staying with the Jets and playing in the U23's comp??Quote:
Originally Posted by Onehunglow
I am absolutely baffled as to why Ben Kennedy after playing **** all Football last season isn't playing NBN to get some games in him. You could even argue the case that some of the Jets HAL Squad Kanta Bridges Pepper should be playing at least 6-10 games in the NBN this winter to get some games under their belt.
Matter of fact I don't understand why GVE doesn't once we get into Pre Season send all his players out to play 2-3 games in the NBN in serious affairs to get some form and games under your belt. Playing 45 mins of a pre season kick about is only gonna achieve so much
Send say Goody and birraz to Weston Zads and Taggz to Lambton Taylor and Brillante to Southy etc etc. Would be a boost for the clubs getting a couple of Jets to play for them and get some bums down there to watch and would hopefully see closer ties between the NBN and Jets
Kennedy trains or helps train a woman's side next to us at training on Thursday nights and he is struggling to hop around on crutches. Looks like he has had a knee op or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
my theory on why the league has gone down in quality over the last 5 or so years is simple - they got rid of reserve grade, and made it under23s.
back when i was playing 19s, and there was no age-capping on reserve grade, we had a few older heads who wanted to be at the club because they loved it & they nurtured us young 19s and we learnt from the former best & became better players because of it. nowadays, the oldies feel pushed out of the competition. plus a lot of clubs can't find room for them, as they want their returning-from-injury-first-graders free spots to play reserves to get back into it (but when those first graders are out injured, there's no experience to replace them, it's all younger guys). and so the step up from 19s to reserves nowadays - there's no old heads to take you under their wings. it's all the guys you've been playing with for the last few years. and i've noticed the physicality of reserve grade has gone, and it promotes weaker, fragile first graders.
i predict if they went back to reserve grade with no age-capping, 5 years from now the whole competition would be a hell of a lot better off.
imo
couldnt agree more!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
This is an interesting debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
There will be alot of people who think the opposite as ive heard talk over last few years of them even reducing the age! I'm not sure which side of the fence i sit on personally as you could have alot of older heads have a positive impact at one club but a negative impact at another as i have personally seen cases of older heads who are just over the age limit however are never going to be playing 1st grade but are still kept around and block younger players with potential from being stepped up.
I also agree with what you are posting. Another option is to increase the over age players allowed to play which would would get it back to exactly what it was in the days gone by. What I find difficult to understand is how the Fed continue to recycle ideas from the past. They failed in the past and the wrong was righted yet leave it 5 to 10 years and they re issue they same directive that failed before.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
What about U25s, 2 overage spots??
Have heard nnsw will be moving towards an under16/ 18s/ 20s / first grade competition.
to put it nicely - when i was mid-teens and playing under19s i used to be scared when i got called up to reserve grade. i was scared of the big guys i was playing against (even though i was bigger than them), i was scared one of the oldies would break my legs, i was intimidated by the swearing, i was intimidated by the competitiveness, i was scared to let down the old guys that had been around for 10+ years, etc. and all that fear made me step up, and compete. it was a surefire way to seperate the men from the boys.
i only got a little time in under23s, but it was noticeably a worse comp. it was softer, it wasn't as competitive, there was no old heads screaming you down, there was no fear of getting your legs broken and hence you needing to step up. i remember taking it upon myself to "teach those young nswis guys a lesson" one game, and on-purpose roughed them up a bit. one literally cried after i hit him once - he's now playing for the jets youth, and every time i watch him he stands out as being soft, and i can't see him making it further tbh, potential regardless. i can't help but think if he was brought through the old reserve grade system, he would have developed more physically and would be more up to first grade nowadays.
and the oldies that do play 23s? they're kind of outsiders in this new comp. i remember playing against a guy who wouldn't get a look in first grade, but was over 30, and remember everyone thinking "who's that old bloke, what an outsider". back in my day (lol, feels good to say it) the younger guys actually respected the oldies, and the young guys were the outsiders and had to prove they deserved to be there, and became better players because of it. the mentality has changed completely.
while more overage spots would help, i can't help but think solely the tagline of "under 23s" drives the oldies away. realistically i can't remember many clubs using more than 4-5 oldies in their reserve grade back in the day anyway, but i know of heaps of old reserve graders who, the moment it went to 23s, felt unwanted and retired without much persuasion otherwise.
btw i don't think i blame northern for all of this. pretty sure it's a ffa-mandated thing to have younger & younger comps, right?
haha! imagine the gap in quality and xperience between 1sts and U20s!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Zone Leagues are far stronger because of this but
Thats an FFA directive that NNSW are reluctant to push through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
AT the end of the day PV4 the issue relies solely with the clubs to fix. I don't understand this need for keeping mediocre players in the system to clog up spots just to tough the kids up coming through. The kids coming through the 17's 19's have to be plain well better than they are at present. The Clubs have 3/4 years to get a player in the U17's ready ie.16years old for the U23's. If they ain't ready in 3/4 years by the time they are 20 for the step up to U23's then when are they gonna be ready and are they First grade material??
In a perfect world you wouldn't be having anyone making their debut at First grade Level after the age of 21. Really they should be able to cut it at that age or they really ain't ever gonna make it.
Having U23's allows the blokes who are late blooming to play 23's at 20>>23. How much time/opportunity do you want to give on blokes to step up and make the grade??
As far as I am concerned they have then had 6-8 years to make First Grade and cement a spot whilst in the system. That is plenty and time has past them by
If this new points system thats being floated about gets over the line than first grade will be an U/25's comp.
MFKS, I think you are missing PV4's point. The U/23's are lacking the mentors that once existed in the old Reserve grade, I'll also add that the clubs are not only loosing the mentors but also the good clubmen.
To much age restictions as it is. Dont see the other codes with them. If a 30 year old is good enough to play reserve grade nbn he should be playing reserve grade nbn. not only that like said above he could be a good role model etc. If a 20 year old kid cant take hes spot with hes abilities he was never going to make it 'pro' anyway.
I see his point. I just don't believe in the keeping of mediocre players just for the sake of it. Fix the development of players so that they are ready for higher grades at earlier ages than they are at present. If the quality is coming through the 17's and 19's quicker and at better quality then the issues raised by PV4 with the quality of the U23's comp are redundant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
This isn't just a problem at NBN Level but is also prevalent in the HAL. Blokes like Goodwin have finally just played their first season as a Professional at the age of 21. Anywhere else in the world he would be 17-18-19 years old and playing professionally.
Even the Great White Hope for Newy Football is turning 20 this year and is still on the periphery of the HAL squad. This needs to be rectified so blokes are playing HAL at 17-18-19 and not coming in at 20-21-22 as is currently the case with the likes of Taggz Birraz and Goody
Bringing back the reserve grade in NBN to me is a retrograde step as the problem is fixable and it lies with the clubs to fix their development practices to sort this issue out.
Just like the Jets are trying to sort this issue out with the HAL with the Emerging Jets teams. In time I see the First grade Jets team to be average age of 17>18 rather than the 19>>20 as is currently the case
If yu think that the avg age of the FIRST team is going to be 17-18.... you are dead set having one MFKSQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I am talking about the Jets Yoof first grade team in the NBN League. In a few years time I would expect them to be much younger than they are at present. i expect them to be 17-18 years old rather than 19-20 years old in a few years timeQuote:
Originally Posted by The Baby Piglet
I may be wrong, but I don't of one NBN club that plays over age players in 23s, there may be one or 2 players floating about but not many, last year south Cardiff were minor prems in 23s and had five 17 year old play in the gf, oldest player was 20 except for the goal keeper, I'm pretty sure this is fairly common at most clubs, also NBN clubs are against the change of age groups next season as the FFA directive mostly suits major cities but I'm pretty sure it will happen
1000x thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Zico
sorry but I don't believe this, mentors are your first graders at training etc, playing older players only takes a position of a young player who will hopefully become a first grader, clubs these days want players who will make it to first grade not older guys who are pass their time, just my opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by pv4
^^^^ Thats the exact mentality that has lead to the competition being in the state it is. Once your abit older and slower, and cant quite keep up your discarded and not wanted. Its these guys that help past on knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
at least GVE could argue he is making an impact on the local scene thenQuote:
Originally Posted by The Baby Piglet