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I don't think NPL do want to do this and doubt any will be (though if you need additional ones, will make it better), and I note that some NPL clubs already have Zone clubs already. But what happens when a 2024 Zone team gets promoted to League 1 or NPL should they have to then get rid of these conference teams? Should Dudley?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jardelsimage
honestly, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
ZL was until 20 odd days ago a 3-grade set up, so this conference your saying has happened in 2024....Dudley have been promoted and yes only 9 out 12 have taken up the Con-spot, which is piss poor effort by 2 clubs.
It was mentioned last night about this exact problem, some clubs want to be promoted, some don't as where they sit in the system that suits them to be a community-based club, but we have rules now based on winning and losing, if you win you go up, lose a grade so be it, you come down, you gain a grade, that's how it should be...unless your Olympic and can't go up, what happens then Chris??? right now I am rooting for Olympic to win it in 2025 and watch bullshit start flying then....sorry Olympic had to be said...
Going into NPL is not the holy grail for all, but if you do and sorry to offend Dudley here, but they either put a couple of teams in ZL3 or ZL4 if we have one and start that side again (if they can the people to run it) or they go to AA.
Putting them in this conference is a band aid approach to fix problems higher up or so they don't piss the wrong people off and the bad publicity comes a knockin..
Funny you mention Olympic, you say you don't want NPL clubs to have these extra teams, yet here we have Olympic and Lakes with teams in these Zone leagues. So you seem to be saying that these clubs shouldn't have them. Of course the conference league isn't being set up to benefit NPL clubs who most would probably have no idea on what is happening, it is being set up for those clubs that want to have an additional team (of which only some want to have them anyway). Some forethought would see that you win, and go up, all very well to say, you have to get rid of a team, but then the team coming down, won't have a team and now you have one less team in the comp, repeat the following year and you have one more less. Some forward thinking is needed here.
And if you don't want to worry about winning and losing and just want to be a community club then go and just play the community Interdistrict Leagues then.
Is it Northern pushing the 2 grade system ?
Did NF realize the amount of revenue they would lose from no thirds at all so they threw together this conference league?
The first mistake was giving clubs an option - it was never gonna end well.
A very good point, though everyone would be complaining about no consultation on the changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zone Insider
You refer to Chris, Chris who?. Sorry not sure who your referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jardelsimage
Piss poor effort from 2 clubs is a little harsh?
So if your club win and get promoted, will you be happy then if they aren't offered a conference league spot?
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Originally Posted by Taffy
I only answering your question about Dudley, why so defensive? You like pumping this new set up, must be personnel.
How about answer mine about what happens if ZL Olympic winning next year, the pyramid says you have to go up and you have to come down....??????
Forward thinking would be the team who drops, organizes a 3rds/Con team or whatever you want to call it to play in ZL1...
By the way Olympic are the only ones left in ZL affiliated with NPL, as Lakes kicked theirs ZL out.
Currently no players from ZL could go up to NPL1 or NPL2 which that has always been a big difference, you mentioned that you hope to have more clubs do this, so the conference league is being set up to suit this style, slowly eroding the 3rd grade culture, in the end, I think 9 out of 12 says a lot on what the clubs actually want and or wanted for next year, Westlakes have already stated they will be back to 3 grades hopefully within a year.
I've been in this community interdistrict league (ZL or ZPL or Interdistrict 1's, or that's what we used to call it) for quite a while, obviously you haven't, so not sure what page you're turning there? or do you mean I should go play AA??
last one, always play to win....
yepQuote:
Originally Posted by riverboy
Use your BrainQuote:
Originally Posted by riverboy
There seems to be an influx in bitching and moaning about the decision that?s been made. As the competition lists came out last night, the conference league instantly looked a competitive looking league, far superior to the flailing third grade comp that has been dished up the past few seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jardelsimage
CB should be applauded, an 11 team league that?s assembled with clubs that want to be there.
No more forfeits, 12-0 drummings. A solid league.
?Which is piss poor effort by 2 clubs?
I?m sure Azzurri, Olympic, and Westlakes would be impressed with this remark.
and that people is how you use your brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alton
"Loud and arrogant" Wow is that why (some) people don't like us lol. Yeah I suppose if we were a nice little club happy to just make the numbers and win a few games every year we would fit in perfectly in the Newcastle mindset of just plodding along, battling away and not making any waves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
Congrats to Stocko for getting promoted, they led the comp for a huge chunk of the season, came 2nd and if the powers want a ZL1 with even numbers than it makes sense to invite them to come up.
Same as what happened to us the previous year (and we actually won the GF to boot) but hey we had all sorts of accusations thrown at us and oh....we are loud and arrogant.
You haven't read the rules? We know they don't go up, this isn't new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jardelsimage
And if they can't? Just add another bye, same with the following year when it is someone else, or the team that went up now having to try and find a team they removed only the year before and may not.Quote:
Forward thinking would be the team who drops, organizes a 3rds/Con team or whatever you want to call it to play in ZL1...
No idea what you mean by thisQuote:
Currently no players from ZL could go up to NPL1 or NPL2 which that has always been a big difference
Enough of your conspiracy theories that this has been done simply to appease NPL clubs who quite frankly most wouldn't know or care what is happening. Next you'll be telling me how jet fuel can't melt steel beams.Quote:
you mentioned that you hope to have more clubs do this, so the conference league is being set up to suit this style, slowly eroding the 3rd grade culture, in the end, I think 9 out of 12 says a lot on what the clubs actually want and or wanted for next year, Westlakes have already stated they will be back to 3 grades hopefully within a year.
If you had been in it for as long as you claim, you would know that there used to be promotion and relegation between more than just the top two tiers in Newcastle. If anything we are going back to the days when Rosebuds were playing in the NSL.Quote:
I've been in this community interdistrict league (ZL or ZPL or Interdistrict 1's, or that's what we used to call it) for quite a while, obviously you haven't, so not sure what page you're turning there? or do you mean I should go play AA??
And yes I do mean go play All-Age if you don't want rules based on winning and losing.
You were earlier complaining about the rules being based on winning and losing. But now that's what we should be doing?Quote:
last one, always play to win....
No Sh#t Sherlock. I just thought it was either a very stupid or arrogant style question made about the new head of Newcastle football who would probably be aware or certainly find out who is behind the comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alton
Also not sure about having a go about Olympic or Azzurri's decision. Don't we live in a free democracy, surely when asked a question they have the right to make a decision in the best interests of their club.
Its over ol' dinosaur. You can cry all you want. 3rds was a joke. But there still is a little comp so stop being a baby. Just because youve been here longer doesnt give you any more clout than anyone else. Maybe this is the best thing to happen to football in Newcastle. It will remove the old barnacles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jardelsimage
ay ay peg leg :rof: :rof:
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Originally Posted by JustMe
No crying, all i have done is answered a question, then asked another one, which i have not had a straight answer for yet. We all know Olympic can't go up as they are bound to the NPL Olympic and the rules say they can't and as i said, what happens if they win, does the loser in NPL2 get a reprieve? or does No2 in ZL1 get invited up? Thats all..
It's alright found the answer, not actually a rule in the rule section yet???? but it will do.
"For clubs competing in Zone Football League, if you have a team from your club already in the league above your current league, you will not be able to be promoted into that league should you finish as premiers. In the first instance this position will be offered to who finished the regular season in second position. If that team is unable to be promoted, then the relegated team will gain a reprieve and maintain their current league status.
With relation to NPL Men’s and Northern League One, no club will be permitted to have a team in Northern League One if they already have a team competing in NPL Men’s. As there is a play-off series which links both competitions on the pitch, this will ensure there are no competition integrity issues within the promotion and relegation structure of these leagues."
The comp is what it is and as per previous years it will chop and change, sometimes for the good, sometimes for the bad, doesn't mean i have to like or dislike it, but in the end, I am allowed to ask question or answer a question, this is a forum after all.
I can pack the commodore 64 away now...:wink:
Don't really understand this idea that 3rds is full of older blokes. Can't really speak for ZL1 but in ZL2 certainly looked like there were quite a significant number of younger blokes playing that grade mixed in with 1 or 2 more experienced fellas.
Southern United for instance had a team of blokes who's average age was probably about 22 maybe younger. Think the oldest bloke at the Crabs in 3rds was 31-32 and the rest 25 or younger.
There has definitely been a shift over the last couple of years towards a more youthful 3rd grade, which is a good thing isn't it? Integrate those younger kids to get them ready to eventually play Res/1sts?
Majority of clubs had a very youthful third grade. We had 17 players 20 years or younger in our playing squad. Pretty much everyone of those kids start in third grade and over the years have progressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddha
It's bemusing for them to talk about this "sunset model" and trying to encourage youth and then to make all these changes with third grade in the same breath.
agree but those young lads should or could be playing ressies if they had a bit to offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddha
Its a pity the u23s with a few overs concept didnt work. I think that model is pretty good to grow clubs.
So NPL is going to back to a 3match game day, and ZL basically was pushing for a 2 match game day..... crazy pills!