You can guarantee that funding wont trickle back down to the community clubs where the bulk of the kids play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Dawson
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You can guarantee that funding wont trickle back down to the community clubs where the bulk of the kids play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Dawson
Isn't the facility at Speers Point a cash cow for Northern already??Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Dawson
I pretty certain I heard they were getting fat from the profits already
greedy money grab. They all take a piece.
$225 for u/7's & 8's at New lambton. Yet they announce how how great they are with their big junior club. disgrace.
nrl and afl are much better organised in juniors
Why don't they get control of lakes ground, do it up, hold GF's etc there, get bigger and fatter on all the money they will make, like they should have done in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Give lakes free use whilst there in the top grade.
win, win for all.
stops all the whinging about who has or where to play finals etc.
But the parents pay it with out complaint.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
Plenty of other clubs significantly cheaper in close proximity that are screaming for kids, but the parents stay. So they must see the value in it.
Can vouch for AFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
Plague Jnr plays both football and AFL. Rego half the price, same level of facilities/coaching etc.
Possible to say grounds are better he plays on carpet at #1 vs a marked out side oval at his sockah ground.
Am not fussed paying for sockah as it's my sport BUT plenty of grumbling from the parents who's kids play both as to where they would rather spend the cash.
Again though, I don't think blame should be on individual clubs. They are ace and are run as well as they could be.
AFL gets a massive cash injection on juniors from NAB and controls the program.
All sockah needs to do is get the federations to hand over the power and get the double-eff-aye to fund and run it. There would have to be more than one big company out there interested in all those soccer juniors right?
Oh wait I forgot the bit about federations handing over the power.
Never mind carry on everything's fine no problem we're fine.
The money from Junior fees and registration should not be subsidising senior football. Until that gets solved not much will change.
Not targeting individuals or clubs here but would any of the NPL players be aware of what contribution junior football makes to their salaries ?
Those prices seem expensive for kids to play junior soccer.
What do clubs charge for rego in New FM or NPL for rego if you are in say uner 20's or 23's?
Its always been an issue and probably always will be but non-football people laugh at us when I tell them the fees.
the elitists think they are onto something sesh but its not. I believe in playing closest to homeQuote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
1400 members, including 430 female members, cant be too wrong, and there are many who would not call themselves "elitest"Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
I would say its the sign of a well run, well organised club, that provides quality coaching, and an inclusive environment, to all levels, from u6 through to Newfm.
The fees include full playing kit that is the kids at the end of the day, and centralised coaching programs for u6-u9's using programs developed by Clayton Zane, for all kids, not just those wanting to go into higher levels.
For those who want a pathway for development its there from u9 onwards.
No fees paid by kids in the junior club go towards paying players in first grade. Completely seperate budgets, accounts, and committees.
For full disclosure my kids have all played at New Lambton ,but do not anymore
Cant be wrong? Wake up to yourself you are part of this arrogance. Not sure what role at the club your from but from a parent some of the arrogance about building the big club doesnt sit well. Yes the development side is going well as is the way you actually get the large numbers all organised. But....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodo14
The prices for your juniors are one of the highest. Why? should the 1000's who pay decrease the costs. How do others clubs survive on $165 u/8's yearly fees for juniors?
That is a problem but keep the head in the sand, an overpriced megalopolis we dont want
check out some home truths. As expected from Broadmeadow
http://northernnswfootball.com.au/ge...stration-fees/
drop the costs you thieves
Wow, those fees are phenomenal, and why, that's ridiculous for 5 to 7 year old
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Originally Posted by hawk
"Home Truths"???
New Lambton have never said that they were the cheapest, and acknowledge there are cheaper clubs in a close proximity!!? What arrogance about building the big club are you talking about? What the club has done is be very organised, led by a strong committee, with the whole focus on giving the members the best value for money experience that they can have. It has never been about wanting to be the biggest club, its all about providing a good experience for the kids. Th fact the junior club continued to grow this year, when participation numbers generally fell, despite having higher fees than most, shows that the community see the value that they get for those fees being acceptable.
The fees are broken down as part of the registration package so everyone knows where the money is going when they sign up. You don't have to agree with the size of the fee, but you equally dont have to play for the club and can go to the club that charges $165. Each to their own.
We survive because we're realistic, and we recognise that participation by anyone who WANTS to play is a far greater asset to the game than making money.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
What you'll also find is those clubs with the lowest fees will cater to children from lower socio-economic backgrounds, and will in fact give further discounts if not free registrations to some families who might not be able to otherwise afford to have their kids play organised team sports.
Each to their own? What great way to answer a problem. Why should families leave when management is the problem? You leave and let someone else come in who is prepared to fix the problemQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodo14
The arrogance like you of spouting how "big we are" and "cant be wrong" yet charging parents way overs for the "privilege". The training courses coast extra on top of your exorbitant rego. There is a high cost problem.
You say there is a problem, but parents are free to take their kids wherever they chose to. Yet more parents every year are attracted to New Lambton. They obviously feel that the fees are not exorbitant, and that they get good value for the money spent. The club does have multi-family member discounts and do make allowances for lower socio-economic families when asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
You have your opinion and the parents of New Lambton FC have their own opinion.
Other parents are not so happy or didnt know the differences. Did you read the fee cost of all clubs in our area? You are the equal highest. There is no value.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodo14
Maybe put to parents to see if they would prefer to pay reasonable cost. I repeat families should not have to leave a local club due to reasons caused by committees.
Think we'll leave it there. Maybe this might be further discussed at the next meeting.
Plague Jnr plays for New Lambton. Rego bout the same as his prev club but def better 'value for money' than previous club (not a knock as his prev club was well run no dramas).
I think in the future kids gonna be torn between sports like AFL rather than other soccer clubs. That's where financial concerns will be highlighted.
Not sure a lot of parents highlighting rego fee discrepancies understand the massive cost council imposes for infrastructure. It's diabolical.
Am positive New Lambton has top 2 costs for lighting in Newy and the gap to 3rd is pretty huge.
Serious though I wish they saved the cash on the Jets run training though. It was pointless. But that's 1 parent so majority rules etc etc.
Kudos for trying it though.
The one thing that can't be denied is,
Macquarie ave is $165 but average of NPL/NewFM is $208
Newcastle average is $147 but average of NPL/NewFM is $190
So it would certainly appear that these clubs need additional money to run their junior teams, were it goes is up to the parents, if they are happy the rest probably doesn't matter
Another quick one, why is Mid Nth Coast average $99 ?
I suspect local councils
The problem with comparing Football rego fees with other sports - League Aussie Rules and Cricket - is that they are owned and prioritised by our major national media outlets, providing massive revenue streams. Unfortunately this is very much to the detriment of our truly international game. The promotion of these other sports and publicity garnered for their players has come at a big cost to Football. Regardless of how big the fish may seem, League and Rules players in particular will always only be swimming in a tiny pond. But propped up by the media that has no real interest in our international success, they will continue to thrive at domestic and grassroot levels.
Given the same funding level and media exposure, Football would kill off the other sports in due course. But self interest won't let that happen.
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Originally Posted by Texas Ranger
AFL junior rego is subsidised by NAB sponsorship.
FFA have every right in the world to have a similar structure.
But they dont.
as for this continuous tin foil bullshit about the media hating sockah, tell me how the media are causing FIFA to intervene in the FFA board restructure issue?
The dopes at FFA can't even set up a head office, yet you think those darn News Ltd journos are to blame.
Ok.
So the $Billion+ tv rights don't filter down to grassroots?? That's news to me. NAB might be one sponsor, but hardly the biggest. The AFL via their media winfall are by far the biggest.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Hey if a billion $$ business like NAB can see value in sponsoring junior aerial ping pong as they feel there is value in targeting a relationship with the young kids playing it and their parents then the real question is why the ****tards at FFA who have countless more juniors across the nation are not on a similar if not better wicketQuote:
Originally Posted by Texas Ranger
????
People say there no money in soccer in this country
They wrong it just goes in the wrong places with people leaching off it for a quid
So it works out that $360m cash per year of which they give $240m to clubs (11/18 clubs running at a loss).Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Ranger
You obviously own a computer so I'll let you break down where the other $120m goes. You are the one trying to prove the point remember.
I'll help though. NAB specifically funds junior development, which subsidises junior regos.
That's my point.
The FFA does not have a corresponding agreement despite being in charge of what everyone keeps telling me is the biggest and bestest sport eva.
Instead of continually deflecting to other sports as somehow having it easier or better or whatever look to the custodians of the game in our country who can't seem to even make their own beds at the moment.
The only way any structure will come to the game is the abolition of the individual federations.
But for some reason we keep getting told these federations are 'powerful'.
(Rightly or wrongly) the government is always the most powerful, it's always the issue whether that power is ever used to do what's right for the people, or what's right for the government.
So someone explain to me how these federations hold any power at all?
FFA doesn't have corresponding media support and promotional value. Hence not as easy to get corporate sponsorship. Simple to understand, but agreed that FFA could and should be doing more.
So the AFL started like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Ranger
Nope.
They been playing soccer in Australia same amount of time than AFL yeah?
In that time one comp seems to have built itself something pretty big the other, not so much.
FFA have the biggest sporting brand in the world to work with and still cock it up.
Media gives sport the money because they have a product worth investing in.
You seem to think AFL won the lotto or something.
Media own it. Can't you get it? Soccer perhaps should sell its soul.
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Originally Posted by Texas Ranger
Oh man oh man oh man.
I can't do this anymore.
Good luck with everything.
Cheers,
Plague.
Thank goodness. You seemed to really let it upset you.
They hold power as when The guberment gave Lowy free reign with Soccer Australia he didn't abolish them like he should haveQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
As a result the clowns on the state feds get votes on how FFA operates
Currently these clowns have 9 votes
The HAL clubs 1 between them
You think they going to want to give that up??
This hole thing with FFA and FIFA is interesting
On one hand they need to give up some power to the club's
But they also need to reign the state feds powers in
There is most of the problem in relation to FIFA reform and why it going slow
its all ok now guys i know my SAP from my NET its all clear as mud etc etc etc.
Plague speaks some definite truths in regards to sponsorship of junior sports.
The best we can muster is Aldi being naming sponsors for MiniRoos, and even that doesn't translate to registration cost savings for entry level players. The most we get is a size 3 ball for each new player.
Does anyone's kids play/have played that Milo cricket?
Any insight into costs etc?
Quick check online shows me that the clubs closest to me (Muswellbrook, Scone, Denman) all charge $75 for the Milo In2Cricket, and Singleton is $100 for the same comp and $100 for the Milo T20Blast
FYI Stocko 6/7s is $70. Don't think they pay any fees throughout the year. Highly likely includes some freebies too.
Football? $70? Geez Louise that seems weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilso8948
Yep. Seen huge growth in participation over the past few years in that age bracket.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Do you know what it is for U8/U9?
Just curious if some clubs are taking a strategic hit in the U6/7 to get kids in the door?
Stockton is well placed though as kids in the area are unlikely to play any another club.
Others would be better equipped to answer. Always limited on population though. Only so many illegal immigrants we can fit on the peninsula.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog