Have you even read the invitation email ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
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"The panel will be present to share key updates with members but it is the members who will be encouraged by the moderator to offer their opinions and views"
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Have you even read the invitation email ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Attachment 1100
"The panel will be present to share key updates with members but it is the members who will be encouraged by the moderator to offer their opinions and views"
No mention of half of that stuff in the info they realised via social media and website links associated with itQuote:
Originally Posted by baldrick
the FFA has already fixed 2 of the biggest fkups ever by ousting those 2 jerks.
I cant see us having a say in the next 2 either that being the new coach and player recruitment which will decide whether the club is worth following or not.
The rest eg card thickness, colour of undies, music to be played can be sorted out by the mong brigade in heated arguments
Seem to be getting sidetracked about what the Member's Forum should be about fellas (getting sidetracked on the Foz, now that's a first!!!).....but seriously I fully agree with our MemberFKS, the key component in the new ownership model MUST have paying Members who have a voice in the future direction and decision-making which effects the club.
You can talk about connecting with the community and all the other jargon being put forth but the best way of connecting is if Novocastrians truly feel part of the club.....not a franchise and the only way to achieve this is as suggested by being true Members....not just "season ticket holders".
This is what needs to be the main focus, we don't get this in place, we will just be repeating the same mistakes over and over again in regards to ownership.
Anyone reckon full fan ownership is an option?
15k members paying $10 weekly would generate 7.8million.
Probably notQuote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
First up the issue is getting the 15k there you talk about. Until we get a winning team and what not we ain't getting 15k rusted on support.
Next issue is getting people to open their wallets.
Plenty of people may say they will. When push comes to shove though I doubt the amount who promised will back it up with action.
You will find some people who will happily pay more than the nominated amount. I WOULD
Sticking to a smaller percentage and building it up over time would be the best model
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If you consider that many of the current 10,000 Season ticket holders are children than realistically I reckon if we were to initially get 5,000 Members that would be a decent starting point. If the Membership fee is $100 then I can't see too many families of four after getting season tickets, also forking out another $400 on top of that so that the whole family can be Members also.
Gaz's idea is worth pursuing though, like Union fees the total amount as a lump sum seems a lot but when it is deducted weekly you don't even notice it. $10/week = $500/year I would be 100% for that idea!!!
Thought I read somewhere that the Dundee dude was looking for local business to invest $500,000 per year essentially to lose it operating the football club.
I assume that's on top of the money he's already prepared to lose and outside of his projected revenues.
As many have said we've already cheap as chips season tix there is wiggle room to contribute more.
So why not see if the fans will put in a portion of that amount over and above the regular season ticket cost. then the onus on local businesses would maybe be more palatable.
Issue is Stopper.Quote:
Originally Posted by stopper2
Blokes like me and you and the likes on here are pretty rusted on with our support of the club.
The back end of last season showed our real support. We were down to the 4-5k mark with people just not giving a ****. I would also think that of the lot turning up some of them were only showing as they had paid their money and were just making use of it instead of walking away with nothing. How many of those 4-5k who were showing and were not gonna renew with Tinks and Muppet is now a mystery due to the reversal of ownership
People on here also comprehend the need for this model. I would also offer that a large part of our membership base are not as clued up as the intelligence found here.
Just go read facebook posts from some of our fans to get an idea the general levels of IQ some of our fans have.
Plague remember you bringing something up about you running a business and dealing with Jets in the past re sponsorship enquiry and not getting much value from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Out of curiosity from your perspective as a legendary business owner what exactly would you be prepared to contribute and what exactly are you wanting to get from a return point of view from the club for your $$
Not after you to commit just trying to get a perspective on why local business contributes little and what could be done to get them to contribute more
Good question Member.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
My point here was essentially about paying more for season tickets to help Dundee man cover his $500k. No equity, no ownership, just normal membership rights. Pretty much as you and others have said before.
I maintain that having a public owned club is a massive can of worms that none of us are anywhere near getting to the bottom of. If you are asking John Q Public for coin they generally want more value for money than ownership would be willing to give them.
People in business tend to look bigger picture and would be prepared to lose money in the short term if the long term goal is achievable. The public would want a better return on their money faster. There's nothing wrong with that train of thought either. But trying to fit ALL of those factors in would be difficult especially in the short term.
For now id love to see someone like Dundee man come in, cover his losses with the help of local business and members, then long term have a goal to stabilise the club then maybe explore selling off equity in the club to other investors including the public.
Also id love to see someone present to FFA/Dundee man a model of public ownership. A proper business plan fully costed. This would involve 'someone' paying for lawyers/accountants/advisors up front in the hope of it getting accepted. But that's how business works. Waiting for the FFA to come to us isn't going to work.
As for your last point. I've mentioned before I've tried to get involved in both the Tinkler and Con regimes through 3rd party stuff as well as corporate stuff and both times the actions of staff at the Jets has been sub standard to say the least.
Not returning phone calls, treating people like shit etc etc.
I'm very annonymous within the circle jerk of local business people so I probably didn't seem worth it to the people selling sponsorships. But last time I looked I'd done ok for myself and my money was as good as anyone else's but they didn't want it.
The whole organisation needed a smack in the face from top down for the way they treated the business and public. Maybe if Dundee dudes peeps return phone calls I might try again.
Guess we'll see.
Oh don't worry, the fact I'm not a 'legendary business owner' is one of the reasons people don't return calls.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Ok as for specifics, they used to have a 'sponsor the players' thing where your business got a plug when the teams were introduced on the big screen. You also got tickets and bullshit like that.
From memory we applied for Griff, Tarek and I think Jacob Pepper. I think the cost was somewhere from $1,000 to $5,000 depending who you got.
Anyway I'd had a few phone calls and wasn't all that bothered by what exposure the business got I just felt it was a cool thing to do. Anyway they didn't end up confirming anything with me, and I stopped chasing them.
Then on game one up on the big screen at least 4 players had no sponsors and others were token companies associated with the owner.
Mrs Plague and I had a hearty chuckle and had a lovely holiday in Japan instead.
I'm no expert in business but surely something as simple as this can be fixed. A shoutout on the big screen and said player to do some promo work during the week isn't exactly rocket science is it.. It's a shame when you hear about the club dropping the ball on these things. You see it with the knights boys taking happy snaps at their local cafe with a shoutout on Instagram. Simple exposure for return really isn't itQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
All it is, from the top down, is customer service.
That's what we are all after.
From ticket sales, membership enquiries, on field effort, interactions with the fans and media, ground security, we all want our club to give us something back for what we invest, and that doesn't always mean just money or material things.
Making people happy with a good performance, or a polite security, or players saying g'day to kids on the street or a photo etc means a hell of a lot to a lot of people.
Sadly that whole culture has been missing from our club for a long long time.
Well we had a bloke here called Marcos Flores who done that extra bit and then some to connect with the community, whether it was kicking a ball around at the local park with a bunch of kids or getting involved with a local Charity fundraiser....and look what happened to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
The fact that he was here for such a short time but attracted 150-200 people for his farewell at Lambton Park speaks volumes of the man.
It does concern me this business forum that is going on before the fans ones could also be missing the mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Just connecting with the big end of town although is important why is it a select bunch??
Shouldn't we be connecting with anyone in business that wants to get involved??
Surely blokes like Plague should be allowed to come if they want?? Not being a legendary business owner in Newy should not mean your not allowed to join in.
On another note you look at the local NPL clubs and see the wide range of sponsors they dig up in their program. Makes you wonder how an organisation like the Jets can not get themselves 1000 local businesses chipping in 1k each a year.
Would sure break the back of a lot of their financial issues and I severely doubt the businesses of the Hunter would not have 1k a year they could not be enticed to cough up not to mention finding 1000 of them would not be an impossible task
Youre not suggesting that "jobs for the boys" be thrown out :O
Great points.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
That type of investment, whilst not a small amount of money, wouldn't be a huge deal to a lot of small businesses in the area.
And if they are anything like me, all they would want out of their investment was for the club to succeed and for the money to be spent wisely.
It would also have hundreds and hundreds of local businesses with a direct link to the Jets. If that enthusiasm extends to their staff and families then that's a lot of 'hearts and minds' pointing in the right direction.
But alas we seem to just want the big fish and ignore the rest.
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FOOTBALL Federation Australia got the ball rolling on rebuilding the Newcastle Jets with a forum of business and community leaders on Wednesday.
FFA director, former Socceroo and proud Novocastrian Peter Tredinnick described it as an ‘‘historic night’’ and told the gathering that ‘‘if we get things right with the Jets, we will look back on this as a watershed moment’’.
Tredinnick, A-League boss Damien de Bohun, chief operating officer John Kelly and Northern NSW Football boss David Eland addressed about 50 invited guests at a function at the Duke of Wellington Hotel.
De Bohun said FFA was prepared to take its time in finding the right owner and right ownership model, despite a projected loss next season of $1million if the club continued on its current trajectory.
De Bohun said the Jets’ income from FFA grants, membership, ticketing, sponsorship and hospitality was $7million on a budget of $8million, which was itself below the median spend of other A-League clubs.
FFA took control of the Jets on May 20 after Nathan Tinkler placed the club into voluntary administration with debts of $14million.
Dundee United chairman Stephen Thompson has expressed interest in buying the Jets licence and was in Newcastle last week sounding out possible partners.
But de Bohun said Thompson was not the only prospective buyer and there were ‘‘five or six suitors who were very serious about being involved’’.
He also said that the door was open for an element of community ownership.
Wednesday night’s forum was the first of three to be conducted.
A meeting for Jets members from last season will be held at Panthers Newcastle next Thursday, starting at 6.30pm.
Members wanting to attend must register through the Jets website.
That will be followed by a Northern NSW Football community forum on Wednesday, June 24, which is aimed at a cross-section of the football community, including NNSW club and zone representatives, volunteers, coaches and match officials.
FFA followed a similar procedure before successfully establishing Western Sydney Wanderers and selling the licence for $10million.
Champions Melbourne Victory are the only A-League club to regularly post an annual profit, but de Bohun said revenue streams were projected to grow substantially.
Well, well, well. While I wouldn't expect specific details to be available it is pleasing the read they are open to it.Quote:
He also said that the door was open for an element of community ownership.
If only their was a group with existing legitimacy with the club who would be able to step up and expand their connection between the club and fans through a potential ownership group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Who you have in mind???:rof:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
I was not obvious enough....Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I don't think they are interested.
De Boyun: He also said that the door was open for an element of community ownership.
Pretty obvious that the FFA really want the community to take on some ownership in the new Newcastle Jets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
The football community really needs to snap it's head out it's apathetic mentality and look at this as an opportunity to build a viable and sustainable club for decades to come and be part of a real football club not just a franchise.
We have a seemingly "re-active" cluture ingrained in our Novocastrian psyches where we wait for others to make things happen, rather than being pro-active and being masters of our own destiny.
I just hope there are enough like-minded people out there like the many on this forum who realise how it important having the community ownership as a key component of the new ownership structure.
lets not talk in riddles, it only muddies the waters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
In regards to community ownership the sub-committee are very interested. yes. but dont feel we have the skills, depth of knowledge, time and abilities to admister it.
Put your plans on paper, present it to us so those amongst he group who would like more details have them, and I'll argue for you to attend the next meeting with the club to speak to issue.
I've said before the "legitimacy" the sub-committee has within the club does not mean community ownership models have to be started by the committee.
The support for the concept is most likely needed, and it exists.
Dont let our reluctance to take on something we know little details about (probably ensuring its failure) be the reason not to start it yourself.
This being the most I have heard as response to what I had previously submitted through you, so it all well and good to say don't talk in riddles, however as I am in the dark myself, it is hard not to. Time is an issue. That will always be the case however when you are talking about fan ownership.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
It takes more than an Individual. I have been down that road. It is far too easy to ignore for the club and the FFA. Now for the first time we have a group that would be hard to ignore, that has a foot in the door.
It involves fewer skills than you presume. And for those we don't have there are support structures in place.
The position of the committee within the club is the only thing that will ensure that this achieves its goal. The committee, it appears to me, have put their hand up to be our representatives. They have gained their position in the club, however they do not have a position within the fan base. Again another reason that the two things should not be separate. As far as I am aware there was only one influence of fan feedback for the selection of any member on the sub-committee (Excluding furns as the squadron rep), and that was me telling the club straight during the selection process that they would be daft not to select you.
A supporters Co-op, started through the committee, that in the future would elect their own representation instead of having the club select it for us, would see the legitimacy that you currently have expand to both sides of the equation.
Any form of fan ownership would need the goodwill of the FFA, seeing as the largest hurdle to any purchase would be the license fee, which the ffa would probaby have to waive as a goodwill gesture towards the community.
Don't take this as a slight against you gav, as I said I advocated for your selection, however I firmly believe that those that put their hand up for the committee have a responsibility to the rest of the supporter base to be more than they currently are.
Firstly, I want the same overall goal as I believe you do - and that's a completive and successful Newcastle Jets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
I may be incorrect, but I interpret your post as you wanting the FFA to take the club down the lines of full community ownership. I didn't take that from what De Bohun reportedly said yesterday. I interpreted the word "element of community ownership" as being "part" ownership or a partial stake in the operation of the club.
At the moment, I agree with GazFish in so much as the skills required are unknown because the proposed models haven't been presented - which may change following next Thursday's meeting because some proposed structure may come forward.
You correctly point out the committee haven't been elected by the members. This hasn't been lost on us and has made up part of the considerations to the committees overall stance to support the concept of community ownership of the club. As for trying to connect with the fan base, this is again something that isn't lost on us and not for a lack of trying behind the scenes to get a level of engagement happening. Hopefully more will come from it soon.
What I don't understand is the relevance to the discussion of individuals who may not have received support from the members or fan base to their sub-committee appointment to the argument of the members forum or community ownership.
You say we have a responsibility to do more than what we are currently doing. My response, which is open to everyone, is:
* What do you think we are currently doing?
* What do you think we could be doing better? And
* What do you see as our role within the club? (Because how members/fans see our role and what the club see as our role may be different which is going to cause conflict).
For the record, there are many conversations going on between all committee members and the club on a regular basis, not simply at scheduled meetings.
You're not in the dark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
There's been no change from when I sent you text explaining what I've outlined above.
I understand it takes more than an individual, but as I've said before those on the committee don't feel that have the skills, depth of knowledge or time to commit to such an undertaking, but in Principle the group support the idea of community ownership. It's been advocated for.
If you want those wishing the sub-committee to pick up this ball and run with it, we need more details, if there's less work than we presume, educate us as to the processes involved so a moe informed decision can be made.
Agin though, I emphasize my strong belief that such a concept need not be born of the committee, if it were to start outside of the committee and be endorsed by the committee the club would listen. I've no doubt of that.
We have spoken briefly about committee structures and elected representatives etc but more pressing issues and the uncertainty caused have seen other things take precedence.
If you'd like to come to the next meeting and speak to the issue I'm more than happy to strongly request you be there.
Anybody else think the announcement of new manager will be delayed until after next Thursday so we don't all bleat on about how disappointing it is at this forum??
As opposed to now where we have the opportunity to moan that the ****s at the FFA are ****ing us over by dragging their finger with procrastination in not announcing the manager so we can actually get in the market for players??Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfMan
Damned if they do damned if they don't
Member, do you have a banner ready for all Foz members to assemble under?
Only have one. 5Metres Long and it contains 4 words that I believe in and that the fools running our club meed to actionQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Bring back the Griff?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
You the ****ing manQuote:
Originally Posted by WolfMan
Was supposed to be there tonight but illness prevented me. Can't get a decent feed on the live stream.
Can someone provide a post forum summary when they get a chance.
Was looking forward to meeting you angry b'stards tonight. Another time.
Jets twitter feed has been posting some quotes from it
No mention of Griff thus far??? Gaz whats the deal??
hi baz,
are we signing up this year now we've disposed of stubbins?
can't wait for pre-season :wub:
Hi Snake :blush::blush:Quote:
Originally Posted by snake
I'm going to actually give them my current bank deets so they can go back to taking my money
We're back babayyyyy
Port Mac surely back on again?