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Belswans are looking for a new coach
Any truth to the rumour that Kahibah are looking at St John's Oval as a possible venue for NPL promotion?
They told me they're very close to a major multi-million dollar upgrade of Harold Knight Oval at Gateshead. Word is that some portable facilities will be put there next year for All Age and Juniors to play with New-FM/NPL to eventually go there. Three fields, big grandstand, all the works. They've been working with LMCC for 18 months. P.S, heard some guy come up with a Cooks Hill rumour that I'm sure you'd love to hear. Won't say it on here in case it's somehow true but 99.5% sure it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Jet
Also to back up ForeverRed's comment, I've been told from a good source that Belswans are without a coach. Still not sure on the number of players they have. This weekend's trial against Berkeley Vale will be telling. It can't be good to have this going on three weeks out from the season.
Real shame and a big loss for BelswansQuote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Terrigal smacked Belswans 5-1 last weekend and the wombats are heaps stronger than Terrigal.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewyTy
Well that's not a good sign. They've got Swansea in the FFA Cup who knocked them out last year and Lakes in Round 1. Definitely a telling few weeks for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonester
Mind my ignorance, but where is Harold knight Oval and St Johns Oval?Quote:
Originally Posted by NewyTy
Harold Knight is hard to explain. It's across from Charlestown Toyota and near the Windale turn-off. There's a few fields together called the Mick Middleton Fields which is where they're planning on building their new facilities. St John's Oval is right next to Kahibah Oval, where the Central Charlestown Rugby League team plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
Cheers, I'm with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewyTy
So if the Harold Knight development goes through does that mean the whole club will eventually move?
What does that mean for the current facility at Whitebridge?
I for one hope they don't go down the path of sharing with the Rugby League, just look at Valentine games at Cahill Oval.
Yep. All Age/Juniors could be playing there in 2017. Whole club would move. Do you mean current facilities at Kahibah? Whitebridge is CCB's ground. As for Kahibah Oval, would imagine it would lay dormant in winter time and be used by Charlestown cricket in the summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
And shared grounds can work. Just look at Toronto with Lyall Peacock Field. I went there late last season and it was in good nick.
Yeah Kahibah current ground, technically its classed as Charlestown but think its more Whitebridge. Didn't the Council Irrigated and Turf it just a few years ago for them? Know they want to up and leave, surely building on what they have already got would be a more financially logical option.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewyTy
Not sure about that. From what they've told me, the council have been in back and forth contact about the new ground and it looks like a real possibility. Building on what they've got would make sense but the club are keen on Gateshead. Whichever happens I'd much prefer to see the whole club stay at one venue. Either New-FM and Juniors at Kahibah or at Gateshead and not a mix of both. Could become a force in Newy football if they build what they've said they want to build.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
Just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewyTy
It would be an absolute farce if Council spend more rates and tax payers money on a Club that already have adequate facilities when there are other Clubs that have far more urgent upgrades required. I guess it's who you know and how good you are at milking the LMCC tit rather than sensible and researched spending on infrastructure.
So if Kahibah moves to Harold Knight are they going to change their name to Gateshead FC?Quote:
Originally Posted by NewyTy
The problem if Kahibah moves their whole operations to Gateshead then they are no longer Kahibah. That may be fine for the elite kids but Kahibah FC is a community club first and foremost. What happens to the hundreds of local juniors that want to walk to their under 7s game each saturday?
Not something I can comment on but definitely a valid point. Cooks Hill play in Cooks Hill, Wallsend play in Wallsend. Gateshead isn't exactly a short walk from Kahibah either. If they've got some money then why not rent St John's Oval on alternate weekends to the footy.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongSufferingFan
Or better yet move the Cricket nets and storage facilities and lobby the council to build cover seating there. Whilst were on lobbing the Council, I wonder if the Council know how much they're paying their players whilst they have their hand out asking the Council for more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewyTy
Sorry to waffle on but things like this really erk me. There are other clubs around Newcastle and Lake Macqurie that have kids playing on what can be best described as Carparks and need urgent money spent on them. Yet on the other foot you have Clubs that are paying people to play for them then they cry poor to the Council when it comes to upgrades.
It's an absolute joke if you ask me.
I think money should be shared round more. Maybe the whole LMRFF could have been forgotten and that 12 million spread around the region's clubs. As someone who isn't involved in any board/council talks, I consider LMCC a lot more supportive of football then NCC. All Kahibah need IMO are covered seats and some better changerooms. And maybe take away a bit of the carpark up the far end and put in a little facility for the juniors/AA to use so we don't have AA teams trying to force away New-FM teams out of the sheds if they're on the same day. Also, on that, build some sort of temp fence/netting to separate the two grounds as no other grounds have Premier comp mixing it with Zone/AA on the same patch of grass at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
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Originally Posted by Premy
Agreed 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
What a massive advantage to Kahibah......just to try and get into NPL
What about CCB & Valo who are already in NPL ???
A quality facility given to a single club is huge, would he a significant advantage for recruitment and registrations.
What about Valo with highest junior registration in the NNSWF area, playing out of pretty ordinary facility at crowdace bay and scattered everywhere ??? And in NPL currently not trying to get in.....couple of mill would be massive for them
All for building new facilities and the Harold knight area is a great location but build a sports facility not just for soccer, but hockey, training facilities etc and council should own and operate, sports high could use, Kahibah, CCB could share, hockey clubs, netball
The thought of millions of public $$$ being spent on one club disgusts me
Possibly I'm a little bias as just 2-3kms up the By-Pass from Harold Knight Oval I play for Garden Suburb.
Whilst our bottom ground isn't great and needs work it's at least playable.
However our top ground where majority of our Juniors play is a clay based nightmare. Our Cubs Junior numbers aren't huge but they're modest for the area and the Club is well run by sensible people. Yes we have a well established Zone League side but our Juniors are the most important commodity to our Club (I'm a Zone League player with no kids). If a brand new facility was built 2-3kms away from us I feel it could be the death knell of our Club, if you were a parent where would you want little Sue or Johny to play? A brand new facilitie or a Concrete like pitch?
To think Kahibah will have all this money/facility just handed to them after just a few years from when their groud gets refurbished makes me sick when I see kids playing football on the sad excuse LMCC call a football ground when we pay the same fees as everyone else.
That entire area will be developed, Southern Beaches had the higher ovals done and completed last year. Understand CCB are using one of the fields for training this year. Those fields look like a shit hole will be good to have them done up.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewyTy
Why don't Kahibah share Azzurri's ground.
I've heard a rumor that valo are also getting a hefty amount of cash from LMCC to upgrade the grounds at croudace bay, not sure how true it is tho..
Would that mean valo NPL should change to Belmont fc cause of where they play at Cahill oval?Quote:
Originally Posted by LongSufferingFan
The main difference is that not all the club plays out of Cahill unlike the apparent plan for Kahibah to move the entire club and play out of Mick MiddletonQuote:
Originally Posted by newyjet
I believe this may be relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivzrbp_WR8w
Go Belswans, shame about the 23's and 1st grade coaches chucking it in a few weeks out. The boys out there are a great bunch and I hope they can lift coming into the new season. They are a growing club and it would be a shame if the great work that Brad 'shooter' Paul could not be built upon this coming season. Hopefully a local legend can rise up and salvage what could only be described as a nervous pre- season. I hope that Sancho has a few contacts.
for sure. need to spread the $ aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Why Blue
Not sure about the highest juniors. New Lambton has over a 1000. id like to see numbers from both. Its disappointing that junior clubs become that big when others close by struggle for numbers
Over the past few years significant upgrades have been completed in many LM grounds: Warners Bay, Lake Mac, Valentine, Redhead, Dudley, Kahibah, Belmont have all received drainage, resurfacing or upgraded facilities. Surely this must have been funded by the council. The ovals at Gateshead have been sitting all but dormant for 20 years since Charlestown Hotspur folded. Kahibah and Azzuri have used it in some capacity for training. I'd say council have been trying to better utilise the area and Kahibah have jumped at the chance.Personally I'd rather see Kahibah stay at Kahibah oval but they are a very ambitious club so good luck to them. If I were at GS I'd be asking within the club why your grounds haven't been upgraded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
I thought Kahibah would stay at Kahibah oval and just move the NewFM teams to the Gateshead.
We at Garden Suburb had drainage installed by council before last season. We have a detailed plan in place for upgrades to our facilities and a team of people working on ways to funds those plans, of which applying for council funding is one of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognito
My statement is Kahibah has had major works done to it facilities in the last 3 years at the cost to the Council. Now they again are rumored to be getting a large amount of funding spent on them again whilst other clubs urgent upgrades will go undone.
On top of the example of my Club I can think of half a dozen Clubs off the top of my head that could do with a fraction of the money it would cost to build this new facility at Gateshead.
Morissett 5 Toronto Awaba 2 in the Mikhail DeBastos Shield .....congrats Morissett
Perhaps this deserves its own thread but what clubs around do we think need something done the most?Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
Im thinking Cooks Hill Jnrs probably deserve something big in there (id assume player numbers are high) Stevenson park at mayfield, how is that these days? Barnsley Jnr & Snr clubhouses are tiny and terrible, Plattsburg park in the same boat... does anyone still play there?
Warners Bay and Morriset were also there but both being done now. So to Tarro Oval for Bero Jnrs.
I've been thinking this as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout
hard to work out which posts to keep and which to move - only #61 and #72 seem to be on topic from this page
if someone wants to list the posts to move and suggest a better title than "Council funded facility upgrades" then I can do the admin work
Col. Curren is now baseballQuote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout
Valentine senior teams in the 2HD (NEWFM) comps before the merger with Phoenix were known as Valentine Belmont FC due to the Belmont Sporties Club backing (Belmont at the time had to be in the name - until of course as history will show - they got top level football back).Quote:
Originally Posted by newyjet
They also had to play in predominantly blue and gold. Because of this in the last season or two, they wore the orange/blue strip away and a gold(yellow)/blue strip at home
How about "The Grounds Thread"? And don't move any posts, just kick off as any other thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
The biggest issue I see is that as these "super clubs" attract more and more kids, the smaller clubs continue to get smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
In a small club like ours, you lose one or two kids from a particular age group to an A grade squad elsewhere or to an NPL type set up and often we cant attract replacement players and an entire team is lost. Some kids find new clubs with our help, others just cease to play football.
The long term result of this will be at some point small clubs won't be viable and there will be other sports lining up to take over the facilities.
Maybe there is too many junior clubs in too compressed an area, but there will be a downside to the bigger clubs cannibalising the smaller ones.
The problem with some of these clubs taking so many kids is that you start getting to the stage where some clubs are fielding 3 teams in the one age group and if the age groups are small enough you start seeing clubs play against each other. On top of that these clubs are happy to take these players but the training area is small and a detriment and on top of that you see some of these junior teams playing late. Parents don't want their Saturday afternoon ruined because they have to hang around and wait for the game that kicks off at 2 and some of the fathers have their own games kicking off and are then forced to choose. The associations should be putting limits to the number of teams a club can field in each age group based on number of players in comp, ground availability and number of clubs willing to participate in those comps.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
I think for example, clubs like Merewether that only have 1 full sized ground for the size they are, need more looking after than clubs like Kahibah, New Lambton, Adamstown etc.