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Interesting so all last years 14's are back ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Atown
I had heard that a lot of magic 14's from 15 went there
But if you are close to the team than you should know
Thx
I had to ask the question to get the answer but fairly certain all the kids from 14s are moving up to 15s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Why Blue
I heard a lot of Magic 14s had gone to Valo ?
I heard Olympic, e jets, edgeworthQuote:
Originally Posted by Why Blue
What would you be expecting of a club in 2 years MT ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
Do you have any experience of the work involved in taking a club that was for the best part of a decade in the NewFM and try to take the club to a position that it can be competitive across all NPL grades ?
FYI , its not an easy job and takes the hard work of players , coaches , committee , parents , council , volunteers ... the list really is endless !
Same goes for all the other clubs in this region trying their hardest to develop whilst also having to work within the challenging rules and regulations that Northern NSW / FFA are demanding of us.
This little phrase I love "better to try and fail than to never have tried at all" (William F. O'Brien ).
Well promo and relegation would be based on a Club Championship perhaps higher age groups have a slightly higher rating but certainly means those clubs that are stronger through all the squads rather than it based on one would find themselves in contention for promotion into A (or staying up there).Quote:
Originally Posted by Why Blue
Yes had heard some to EJ'sQuote:
Originally Posted by hamburgler
Why are the rest leaving ?? The proposed coach was moved on as requested
Absolutely nothing wrong with the idea at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Seems rather stupid clubs like Valo have built an NPL Yoof set up then scaled it back and then have to rebuild it again as they move between NPL New FM and back
Add in Lakes and Southy now and in theory we could have another few clubs in the NPL Yoof if they kept their Yoof Programs going
Reality is it is a positive for those clubs and the region to keep going at this level even if the Senior Sides are in New FM
NNSW should also be forcing the New FM clubs looking for promotion to the NPL to be getting their juniors sorted in advance so they are ready as a club when the time comes
I'm not involved with the club but from outside looking in it seems as though Lakes have their NPL Youth set-up still working fine. A fair few New-FM clubs are putting in A grade squads across the age groups. I know Kahibah are having 11/12A's this year. I think the New-FM clubs are realizing they have to go with the youth set-up or risk being left behind if the proposed NPL rules come in to effect. I'd expect Valo to be decent in most grades this season but I guess you can never be sure.
Lakes lost players when demoted but not as bad as you would have expected !!! But little gimmicks like the trip to Borneo etc helped keep some thereQuote:
Originally Posted by NewyTy
Think this year has seen plenty move on again, with new TD at CCB taking a few up there with him ( apparently deals done in Borneo )
So really they have suffered
Kahibah may struggle with Gumps not doing juniors
I think Valo will be ok, hit the phones pretty hard and were trying to get players back, hope it worked for them
club in 2 years???Quote:
Originally Posted by Atown
1 day its 100 years , next day its 2 years!
which 1 is it Atown.
Either way, how many of the Buds juniors were promoted from the Buds Junior club?
To be fair the junior club you speak of are rubbish and struggling to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
I am an out and out, one eyed Magic supporter but the 2 junior clubs are like chalk and cheese.
I like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Well thought out
We need for clubs to be able to prosper from youth development, time allows this
Year to year relegation does not
Your right ZicoQuote:
Originally Posted by Zico
As a foundation club in NNSW, zero emphasis on developing there own.
The last 2 years, they have brought in Macquarie coaches, with majority of there SUPER teams- were poor and failed , this year i believe a Lakes coach and Lakes players, aswell as Newcastle Football team and coach????
You have missed my point as I was actually defending the senior club due to the lack of a quality run club in Adamstown Juniors, it's hard to segregate junior players into a category of their own when all our clubs are within a 10km radius of each other. If a club can associate themselves with the SAP coaches and a local association then they need congratulating rather than bagging as it shows they have the forward thinking to be successful and are willing to develop good players from 13 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
Enough praising another club, Magic to win all 7 grades in 2016 (hopefully lol)
understood your point 100%, however congratulating a club on relying only from the so call elite programs -hmmmm! hasn't paid dividends thus far, maybe this year!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
Magic to win all 7 grades... your a crack up
wish them all well in season 2016- looking forward to it
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Originally Posted by mother theresa
MT , I am more than happy to hold a conversation with you but only if it stays on football and does not go all silly (children tend to cry when this happens).
The 2 years I was referring to was in conjunction with a previous post that you made about 1 finals spot in that period of time . A post which you have taken down for some reason. (one would imagine an attempt to make your point look more worthy). Not cool, MT please keep our conversation in context with the points we are addressing please , which is difficult when posts vanish.
I have copied it and re-posted it for you here . Please see below
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buds do youth pretty well?
please explain further- 1 team ( next year’s 15's) in 2 years make the top 4, THATS IT!
As for developing and promoting Buds juniors into NPL...
Famous words from Scribe
"How many , not many, if any not many"
That aside your point though is noted MT and something I am sure the club is working hard to address as 1 finals spot in 2 years is not a great record.
As for the juniors , ZICO has addressed that point so no need for me to add to it.
You never did answer my question about you having any experience of trying to establish a competitive club in the NPL but that’s OK , we can move on from that.
If however you have then please get in touch with the club as more hands make lighter work !
Have a great day .
Sorry, I don't jump on here all that often but...Am I missing the point of NPL Youth or what???? Is the success of a clubs' youth system judged by the number of players they retain and develop for their senior club or how many final series / trophies the youth teams collect????
Please enlighten me!
Atown you will find MT talks a good game but that's all it is talk.he avoids questions, has rarely anything positive to say and never does anything to improve things just complains
not at all IS! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by italian stallion
ATown, i have no experience in comittees, cooking bbq's etc to answer your question, i dont complain any more than any other person on forum.
They are my opinions, like everyone else on the forum, hence why its a forum
I hope that helps, a great job your doing!
welcome back IS, i thought bears only hibernated in winter?
Agree mother man
This is a public forum were people can and should express their opinions
Not all will agree and we don't all have to agree
But we should encourage and respect opinions
this forum is for people with opinions but do nothing about them.what are you trying to achieve? nobody does anything to try and change things for the better.you hide behind user names.get involved with clubs and actually do something positive.it makes me laugh when I read people write ive heard this and that and when really your just pissing in the wind .some people need a reality check.dont take npl youth so serious.in the end its only a game
Obviously said by someone whom hasn't been involved with the club and doesn't know too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
The team has a strong junior juniors but tend to go as they get older for a number of reasons. Some want to go to the big clubs others are keen
The club is far from struggling to survive they have a strong women's program though women's football isn't the main focus but does require more work throughout the club to promote boys. Their oldest boys group did win their league this year and are a good example when you have a strong set of parents and volunteers willing to put in time to help and develop.
That's not to say the club doesn't have its issues which are varied and cover a number of reasons (admin, location, money, parents/volunteers, culture etc).
The seniors and juniors aren't connected, however, the seniors have done the juniors no favours (and yes vice-versa) and senior people within both groups have actively sought to undermine each other and refused to cooperate. If both clubs wanted to work better together it would be of great benefit to both clubs but the seniors don't appear interested in the juniors for any long term development rather than ignore them. Shit, the two might even be as good as magic where the boys up to U12 are looking to get into the YPL side with others not quite there going into an A grade team looking to move into the YPL side in subsequent years.
Of course all that would require change from both sides and at this stage I don't see either the seniors or the juniors wanting to cooperate since both sides hate each other for a number actions that they have done to each other.
As for rubbish players I know of a couple recently ex junior players who are now in YPL sides, had the seniors been a bit more open they may have had these players instead.
"you hide behind user names"Quote:
Originally Posted by italian stallion
Agree that hiding behind user names (as you and I are both doing now) and just criticising does little for football development. My own concern, however, has been the quality of coaching in the NPL youth as well as the Northern/EJ programs. - Am I in a position to decide the coaches or train them?? Clearly not. - Do I think we should just accept what has been dished up?? Hell no.Quote:
Originally Posted by italian stallion
I saw that mass exits from a couple of Magic teams were the result of unacceptable coaches, although apparently one of the proposed coaches pulled out after the majority of kids had already walked. The only way most parents and players can change this situation is to vote with their feet.
This does not mean every coach is rubbish. You will see that certain teams have a high retention rate as well as attracting new players. No doubt this will be reflected in finals week, and all I can say is good luck to any coach and club that benefits from being better than everyone else.
Welcome Apollo. Watch out for an uppercut from a few Rocky wannabes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollo Creed
well thank you QCQuote:
Originally Posted by Quare Caeruleum
experienced horseman like me, have it covered
:thumbsup:
im happy to put my name on this forum if everyone else does
I have an issue with your statement with regards the quality of coaching in the EJ program. Last time I looked they 3 former A League coaches and a recent A League Golden Boot Winner and a bloke that went to a World Cup and was undefeated coaching there. Tough call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quare Caeruleum
Mate not doubting you but who are these ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dontknowmuch
Van Egmond is one A league
McBreen golden boot
Do you have a list of all coaches
Thx man
Hopefully the coaches are improving with the Emerging Jets. Over the previous years they have had some very ordinary performers. Most had gotten their basic certificates and some had played a little bit of football. But few were capable of improving the kids and teaching them skills. Whist they would scream and criticise from the sideline, they couldn't explain what they wanted to the young player who was rarely encouraged. They got rid of better coaches while appointing team coaches that only had goalkeeping experience. One such coach was appointed for over a year but never took up the role due to other commitments. This resulted in many temporary coaches filling the role. One EJ coach was so poorly thought of that when he was reportedly taking a successful club team, about 10 of the players walked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dontknowmuch
Remember this is the organisation that chose a 21 year old to head the SAP program over an international coach with years of coaching and playing experience and the ability to relate to kids and provide positive motivation.
Should also stress that more should be spent to keep the better coaches and less on administration, ie. David Eland. Most of the best coaches that have been in the program have moved on. Being a yes man gets you further than coaching skills.
Is that dick still there ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quare Caeruleum
Deans, Zane and Leo Bertos. the TD is very well credentialed as well.
Of those who is still there? Short term appearances by decent coaches don't give long term results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dontknowmuch
There all still involved as far as I know.
Zane was only there for a short time before going to Jets Youth. I think Deans has gone to WPL. Don't know about Bertos but has he been involved for long?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dontknowmuch
I did hear the baby smurf coach took the NTC side to Canberra last month. That shows a lack of depth.
Like the relationship between Southy Juniors, CCB Juniors and their senior clubs, the relationship between the Atown Juniors and Seniors could be called dysfunctional at best!Quote:
Originally Posted by mother theresa
Sancho - spot on - results don't always measure player development.Quote:
Originally Posted by sancho_theswan
So Apollo Creed is your real name ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollo Creed