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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
lucky
all the tributes coming out tonight.
lazyQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
lucky
all the tributes coming out tonight.
Not at all! I'm very happy that he has put away 4 from 4 in the penalty department. In fact, as a club, penalties seem to have been the one area that we are in fact ahead of the curve - putting away our penalties at a slighter higher lick than the league average.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Trif has been great from the penalty spot. He has put them away with both confidence and composure, which is not an easy thing to do. If he had shown these same traits when not taking a penalty, I would have no problem with him. Unfortunately, I don't believe this has been the case.
We all have opinions, back them up with fact and people like Plague won't shoot you down. There are these pesky things called defenders that also like to run to the exact same spot you are going to. If we had a Jamie Maclaren up front i'd agree that he should be sprinting into the box all day but that isn't what Milos is about. That said, he was still poor today. But he didn't lose us the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve136
We were poor across the park. Urga was absent for large portions of the game from what i saw. Enver was marked/fouled out of the game by Jamieson and had some horrific touches. Nobby was just as rubbish. Neither of our wingers tracked back tonight and we got slaughtered out wide.
The main thing that stuck for me tonight was our abhorrent excuse for crosses. Leo couldn't send anything decent in from open play and no one else could either. Everyone is talking about 'making runs' but we have a target man. Get in an attacking position, hold the ball up and whip in a cross. We just kept hitting Topor all day.
Wingers were crap, midfield was crap, fullbacks were crap and the rest were rubbish too.
Let's just beat the scum and finish above Sydney. We don't deserve finals football this year.
Milos has 1 job, score goals. He has scored goals. Deal with it.
No one else on the team seems to be able to score. Where is the hate for them?
Leo is an import and he can't score, assist or defend. But supposedly he is the missing link to solve all our problems??
leonardo and sometimes Enver and Nordstrand set up attacking chances and the few that we create triffo either isnt in position or he wastes them nuff saidQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
Oh Dw im ****ing fed up with Leo and Enver as well. Noddy also needs to play central before i make a judgment on himQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
This kind of gets to the heart of my problem with Trif. What exactly is he "about"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
If he's not the guy to make fast runs into the box, he's not the guy to make runs in behind the defence, he's not the guy that holds up the ball particularly well, he's not the guy to get an assist every now and then, he's not the guy can shoot from range, he's not the guy that will be in the right spot at the right time etc...what is he?
As I've acknowledged, he does take penalties well. But I'm not sure that should be our number 1 criteria for an import striker. I really want him to work out with us, as bringing in another guy next season up front wouldn't solve everything immediately, not to mention the whole tedious process of waiting for the new player to arrive, settle in and acclimatise. But I'm genuinely lost on what Trif brings to our team.
I would contend that Leo creates plenty of chances that should go down as assists, but due to the ineptitude around him players are unable to take the chances they are given. But that's a whole different argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
I am not particularly thrilled with any of our foreign players though, as I doubt any of us are.
go back and watch the chance that he ultimately stuffed up that i spoke about earlier. Leo and Nobby don't get near the ball unless Milos starts it 70m back down the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
before you start mashing your face on the keyboard making silly posts watch the damn game.
He can hold the ball up, but he isn't world class at it. He has a very good touch for such a big guy and he does have the ability to bring others into play. But as a team we are honking at moving into dangerous areas. I'm not saying he is the best striker we can find, but he is the best we've got and he isn't the reason we are 7th. He is however a large part of the reason we are not 10th tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve136
Equal 6th best goal scorer in the league. Equal with Harry Novillo, Mark Bridge and Mitch Nichols. All from teams far ahead of us in the league and in quality.
i watch every jets game and i see Milos either fail to get on the end of through balls or crosses into the box. Fail to win majority of headers when challenging with CBs. Fail to hold up the ball most times which leads to lost possession. Waste chances to score when the chance arrives cause he takes too long and defender catches up or shoots completely off target. The odd good pass or hold up play and the odd penalty doesnt excuse any of this but hey if your happy with a striker like triff leading the line Plauge enjoy not playing finals footballQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
Who should we have upfront then??Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
maybe try one of the young blokes now season is pretty much over or play norstrand at strikerQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
now see this is an excellent point.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve136
i don't know jack about Milos before he got here but id be willing to wager good money he's been the exact same type of player back then as is he now.
now if we went and brought him and set up our game plan to go against everything the bloke is good at then the haters should be pointing that outrage machine over to the blokes in the Bunnings chairs rather than the player.
That's fair. I'm probably being too harsh on his ability to hold the ball up and distribute, especially given that a lot of the time he is all by himself with no Jets player within 20m when he receives the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Regarding the fact he is level with goals to those guys, do they take penalties for their teams? I feel that's an important factor to consider when comparing goal totals.
What young blokes do you think are gonna do a better job?? I hate this crap so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
"he is crap, so let's put someone who is worse in there but give them an excuse cause they are young!!"
That's not how you build players or clubs.
Did Triff cost us this game today? Not at all, we played like crap and wanderers didn't.
No it isn't, he gets paid to score goals. They win you as many points if they are from the spot or from your own half.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve136
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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
hey man you once believed in the tooth fairy and santa claus too.
come back to me with some legit proof/stats or keep putting that glass of milk out on Christmas eve slugger.
That's an interesting take, and shows a flaw in why I think he's not contributing enough. I have been focused 100% on his performances in his current role, without even stopping to consider whether this is the way he should be used. Definitely food for thought. I'd be fascinated to see how he was used in his previous clubs, especially considering his goal tally was pretty handy at a few of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
well then you tell me how he's soo good without the pens he'd only have 4 goals im pretty sure and he can score pens but id rather he score from open playQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
Right, so here we disagree. Penalties are converted at a 76% rate on average, and there's a handful of players on the team that could do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
You attacked Leonardo for not producing earlier. So if we had let him take our penalties - let's assume he converted at an average rate. He has 3 goals and Trif has 5. Would you then be satisfied by Leo's production from midfield but disenfranchised by Trif's output?
It's also fair to consider that he hasn't earned any of these penalties himself. These factors to me are more important than a black-and-white "goal" total.
nah man, see you can't bag the guy out for being lazy then go and want someone else to help your argument for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
you know, cause that kind of makes you look....lazy.
Lets just agree to disagree but if Triffo is still there next season mark my words we wont make finals and it will down to his lack of goalsQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
No worries, you just made it into my diary right next to the entry when i describe how much my parents cramp my style when i see people in shopping centres... lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
You're the one doing the attacking, we are just poking holes in your so called "facts''.
Everyone does realize that we conceded a goal, and that was the reason we lost today??
If we had a 0-0 draw then maybe you can blame the striker for missing chances. Just thought i'd throw that out there.
Yes, but the vitriol directed towards the guys up top is like a snowball that been building all season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
We're equal fifth best in terms of goals conceded this season. Not the best, but not bad by our standards.
We're last in terms of goals scored, 5 behind even CCM.
So while you're absolutely correct that if we hadn't conceded today we wouldn't have lost, it's hard to argue against the idea that our real weakness this season has been our ability to score goals, rather than prevent them.
As I said, your point is definitely right. But given the framework of our season, it's understandable that a lot of frustration is vented towards our strikers.
Well, I'll agree that your argument is threadbare but in fairness next season I'll sit on the halfway line with my hand over one eye so I don't see the defending half of the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
By the end of the season I'll have no choice but to blame those darn strikers.
Good day.
We are also 1st (so....last?) in clearances which prob means we are spending way more time in our defensive third, and prob lucky we haven't conceded more goals (your earlier point about Biraz was legit spot on though).Quote:
Originally Posted by steve136
But
Watching the games we just look so disjointed compared to other teams. We don't 'seem' to score a lot of well worked team goals where everything goes to plan. We scramble at both ends of the park. For that you can blame a variety of things, but certainly not one bloke in particular.
You ****s defending Milos ain't fooling me
If I was here saying he is great you would be telling us why he is shit
You might be fooling the plebs but you ain't fooling me
Today's game has me shifting camp away from re-signing Trifunovic. I just don't think he does enough off the ball and he isn't scoring regularly enough for that to be forgotten. For mine I have seen enough for Leo and Nobby to be re-signed but Trifunivic and Alividoc to go.
Now we can't make the semis, would like to see Nobby given the opportunity to lead the line.
Personally, after weighing up recent performances Triff Leo and Enver can go. I would be keeping Morten only
Quite frankly not that upset we lost.
Take great comfort that we beat the Gypos they are finishing last and we ain't
Season is a raging success
More pissed at the lack of action from the Management to change the fate of the game.
Losing is one thing and we have had plenty of experience but go down swinging FFS
Go down swinging? The last 15 minutes our mob showed more life than the first 75 minutes.
No coincidence that Milos was off in that period. He has to go. I was supportive of him a month or two ago when he started to find some momentum, but my initial point remains. He doesn't look hungry enough and doesn't work hard enough. Watch the chances he butchered just yesterday and it's a combination of laziness, lack of killer instinct, lack of any footballing intelligence. So what are we getting from him?
And who was stupid enough to bring up Nichols & Novillo when comparing goals scored? Those guys aren't strikers, nor are they the outright top scorers in their teams. Novillo's not even City's second best. We definitely struggle for goals all over the park & those positions should also be addressed, but that doesn't take away from Milos. As an import he's held to a higher standard, and he's simply not good enough. We might as well have signed Blake Powell, who's Australian, playing in a worse team, and who doesn't need dot shots to help his tally.
Sadness :(
The way football is played in this league, you need quick, mobile front 3 - at the very least a striker. Look at the successful teams in the league and the attributes of the striker they have - Berisha, Maclaren, Bridge, Fornaroli, Keogh. They are all pretty similar. Teams without a mobile front 3 are struggling - Sydney, Wellington, Us and the Gypos. The team that don't conform to this are Adelaide. They're probably a good example how a team who break away from the type of striker mentioned can be successful. There's no reason with Milos leading the line we can't be successful - we just can't expect him to do what the rest of the league do.
Our problem is simply scoring goals and I think it's more to do with the front 4 unit than 1 individual player. Not including yesterday, we've had 193 shots on goal this season. We've have 51 on target - just under 2.5 per match. We've scored 20 goals so the conversion is pretty good. Behind Milos, our leading scorer is on 3 and he's now playing for a team two hours down the road. Behind him is Kanta and Norstrand who have scored 2 each. We've only had 8 different scorers which is even less than the shambles of a season last year when we had 10.
Plague makes a good point - the chance Milos fluffed in the first half was only a chance because of his excellent ball out to Enver. He then busted a gut to get in the box but ran out of steam. He wlaos pressed a number of times to close down.
Instead of lambasting Milos, I think we need to look at the front 4 unit as a whole. Their tracking back yesterday was poor. Leomardo, while positive when he has the ball in so much as he's always looking to run forward, he sooks everytime he's dispossessed or the play breaks down. Nordstrand was less effective this week and the same can be said for the last. Enver seems able to break the play down well - it's a shame it's more often than not our attacking move.
The Wanderers pressed very well as a unit yesterday and it forced our play and created countless turnovers. Bridge pressed from the front and really impressed me. Overall our players looked lost, looked on a different wavelength. Almost like they were strangers and hadn't played together.
My theory - they played their grand final two weeks ago and it's taking some time to recover from that. But our front unit needs to be refreshed. I would start by dropping Enver and Milos. I'd move Nordstrand central and retain Leo. I'd introduce Kitto or Cooper left, Lundy or Brennan right.
well we went how many games in a row without scoring during the seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
you cant go into a game purely relying on not conceding, this isn't the serie a
we will more often than note concede
The serie A don't play that way anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nou Camp
The CCM have a very mobile front three. Austin and Ferrera (spelling) are two of the quickest going around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
I would say the reason why we looked better in the last 15 was down toQuote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
Wankers shutting up shop. They stopped playing and looked to see it out
Also their legs went a little and the fatigue set in. They were not pressing but holding position
To give us credit for getting something to happen at this time is stretching the truth.
The initiative was given to us
We never took it
after yesterday I'm on the keep Leo bus
he was ****ing immense, I just wish he had some better players around him. His first touch has to be one of the best in the league
Enver I feel so sorry for, if he played in an empty stadium and took a breath before every decision he made I reckon he would nail it, unfortunately that isn't happening. He gets himself in great positions but his decision making is probably the worst in the team.
Thought Cowburn was excellent again, steve u was immense as well.
I actually think we played well just didn't take our chances but wanderers didn't as well, thank god castellan can't shoot to save his life.
Legitimately I think we are 3-4 players short to compete.