Luongo off and we seem like a better team ~ troisi doig well since coming on
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Luongo off and we seem like a better team ~ troisi doig well since coming on
Mooy playing a lot better since troisi comes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Much better 2nd half-and if Luongo gets another chance i will be surprised based on his recent shitness
Luongo was trash German keeper was trash.
Disagree we had a better second half
We were still shit
We had a bit more ball but that was down to the Germans not pressing us
In the first half they did and raped us all over except on the score board
Low must have gone in and told them get another goal ice the game and park the bus and avoid injury as we don't want to embarass them
Because that is what they did
On another note Plague
Mooy a NPL level player again. You see how shit he was??
And too many ****ing Gypos in the side
FFS does that **** in goals ever make a save for us??
This can be said about many of the Socceroos - they are taken up a gear by the quality around them with their clubs. I mean Leckie....ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
And Kruse should be nowhere near the first team until he is playing regular club football - he had the touch of the proverbial and looked knackered after 30 mins of football.
Anyone who has read Ange's book knows how stubborn he is - he is now trying to balance "belief" with "fantasy".
Ryan head and shoulders above Langerak. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.
Also, can we go back to 4 at the back? Unless the plan is qualify playing this absurd and clearly not great formation, and then changing it pre-world cup (should we qualify) to catch teams off guard? Or get 3 at the back and play some good wing backs that will be able to track back and defend but push forward.
And no more Luongo starting please. Irvine has done much better in recent games.
So can you actually explain why it is an absurd formation??Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Because what I seen is there is nothing wrong with the formation.
It just the lack of attention to detail and application from the players that cost us goals
1st goal someone had covered old mate who provided the assist
Someone had covered the striker who was central on goal
Someone had covered the back post runner
Yet we had two defenders back there neither of them marked the bloke for the pull back
So exactly how is this the formations fault when you have 2 blokes ball watching??
2nd and 3rd goals were down to people not tracking runners adequately
That has nothing to do with formation
That has everything to do with the players not being focused or good enough for this level
Pretty much all BK's fault though.
BK would do just as much at stopping goals as this Gypo in nets doesQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
Neither dive
How the **** is Birraz behind the Gypo??
You're losing your touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Well done to former Mariners bench player Tom Rogic. Great game.
He is third choice for an EPL club that just avoided relegation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Played as much first team football as BK last season.
Shhhhhh, don't tell him he's wrong, means he's just gonna be back to try and prove his point, or try to refute one of your irrelevant comments like "I wouldn't say Swansea JUST avoided relegation FFS. The **** finished 15th by 7 points. ***." And pretend that's wht the conversation is about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
The bloke is ****ing shit
Does he ever make a save??
I remember when we had Schwarzer the bloke would regularly pull a save out and keep us in games
Just as Birraz regularly done at Newy
This Gypo **** on the other hand saves what??
Not much judging by the amount of times he pulls them out of the net
Time for a personnel change because this shit **** ain't pulling his weight
What about the defenders? Tell us more!
Still waiting on your reply why the 3-4-3 is an absurd formationQuote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Still waiting on a lot of your replies too.
I agree ive been suspect on Ryan for a while now and how many times is he caught flat footed or out of position for goals when rushing out or across goal. Brad Jones was superb for Fenyoord give him another chance. Oh and **** off Kruse and Leckie they are pace and nothing elseQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Not absurd... it quickly turns into 5-4-1 when played correctly and if we had technically better players it would be more effective... Joky said it: we are brave, chicky, positive... but .... I would add limited.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Also turn in to 3-6-1 and you can flood the midfield as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by lquiquer
But 3 at the back :fright:
Is every dumb ****s reaction at the mere sound of the idea
They tried to call him up and he declined.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
Was that your reaction? fitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Good on Ange for trying something. At the moment we aren't able to play the formation very well.
Our CB's are not ball playing and playing 3 at the back against world class opponents is a dangerous game.
Our wing backs don't get back well enough, and their increased workload is taking some sting out of our attack as they get used to having to defend as well.
Maybe Leckie is a better defender than he is in attack at the moment.
We need a CDM in either Milligan or Jedinak to play holding. Leaving Mooy and Rogic to work the attack. It feels very defensive minded, but having shipped 7 goals in our last 2 games against decent opposition, it's kind of getting to the point of "we need to make this work, or try something else".
While the formation itself is not absurd, everyone must know their role and responsibility.
Persisting with something that clearly isn't working for whatever reason, makes it an absurd formation for us to play.
I hope we improve with it.
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung;18***1
Just because it isn't working well right now doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bath water
Ange is actually pushing us to get better. Just because it isn't flowing perfectly doesn't mean you quit on it
The bloke has a fair ****ing clue about the game
Yes he is pig headed in his approach but that is why the FFA appointed him
He setting these blokes up to be better
I quite content to be patient and put the onus on the useless players to stop making amatuer mistakes
Even if it costs us qualifying for the World Cup?
You're happy for him to persist with something that doesn't work?
Do wht you please against Brazil, confed cup, but the trial runs of this strategy aren't going too well.
That's all well and good, but Ange is gone after the World Cup and it's probably gonna get
Tossed out when a new coach comes in. We need to do what we can to win.
I hope the players get better and it works for us. But if we are playing a game to send us to the World Cup, I hope we do something that works and suits us. If that's this new formation, great, if it's a 9-1-0 great.
Why is that going to cost us qualifying for a World Cup??Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
If we don't make the WC it be down to the players not being good enough or not performing well enough
Have **** all to do with whether we played 3 or 4 or 5 at the back
Other thing you might want to consider is that this system is where the game is heading
Either with or without us
In time you be seeing clubs all over playing this 3-4-3 and by that I mean UCL EPL La Liga National Teams etc
Ange is playing a system that doesnt suit the players he has at his disposable, The fans see it and the opposition teams see it hence why we are gifting them goalsQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Last time I looked it was 11 v 11 on the same patch of grass kick the ball in the ****ing net and win.
All this formation bullshit is a convienient distraction from the fact we think we're any good when we have shitcunce like Jedinak and Ryan in the team.
What happened in the NZ vs Mexico game, Heard the Mexican coach swore at the NZ coach, Anyone watch it?
FixedQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
Yeah because Ryan, Sainsbury, Jedinak and Rogic are the biggest issue with this team.... seriously though, do you guys support our national team or does this lame gypo hating thing really consume your whole life?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
The way our team is going, take those 4 out and we go from battlers to Absolutely no chance!
The number of gypos in the NT is more of a brutal assessment on how bad we (Newy) have been in identifying, nurturing & developing talent over the years tbh
Gersbach is doing excellent so far!
This formation is rubbish how much evidence does Ange need
Chile are going to destroy us something fearce
Sanchez is already counting his goals!Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
He will have a field day with the space we are giving in those wider areas. This formation needs to change, how long can it go on?
You can't play a back 3 unless your centre halfs have pace and your wing backs can actually cross. We have none of these. None of the players even look like they know their roles or where to run etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout
It not lame to hate on the GyposQuote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout
It ain't something you turn on and off like a tap
They be forever Gypos
Has nothing too do with paceQuote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
These CDs are struggling with a couple of simple concepts
They not playing the first to the ball concept
They not marking their man tight enough when necessary
They also struggling with the zonal set up
They also seem to be buck passing going on at the back in that they seem to be leaving it to someone else
These all technical failings from the blokes playing and things they should be more than capable of doing
So you going to hate ODonovan all year?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
You telling me you never celebrated Sasho scoring for us?